"We have benefited from it (the IPL) massively and we are thankful for it" : Eoin Morgan

[MenInG]

England's limited overs skipper Eoin Morgan on Thursday said English cricketers' tryst with the IPL has "massively benefitted" his team and the "priceless" experience could hold it in good stead in the upcoming T20 World Cup.

English players are often criticised by the country's former cricketers for playing in the lucrative league.

"Yeah, we have benefitted from it (the IPL) massively and we are thankful for it and it has been a huge part in our development, particularly in the 50-over campaign towards 2019 World Cup," Morgan said at a virtual press conference.

The five-match T20 series between India and England begins here on Friday.

On the eve of the series opener, he was asked about the England players being criticised for playing in the IPL.

"So, with two T20 World Cups almost around the corner from each other, hopefully we are going to continue to participate in the best and the biggest T20 tournament in the world. We gain huge experience and confidence from that," said Morgan, who has played 97 T20Is.

Morgan also said that from a personal point of view, he has learnt a lot by playing in the IPL.

"I think, it (the IPL experience) is huge.

"I think even regardless of the players involved in the World Cup, the development process that they go through just by being there, rubbing shoulders with the best in the world, being exposed to the pressures of being an overseas player in the biggest tournament in the world, priceless in many ways," he explained.

"Certainly, the first few times I went to the IPL, I never (had) gone through an experience like it, and I have learnt a huge amount over the years that I have been there.

"So, the value in it given the year (that is there) is brilliant, particularly now it is being held in India," he added.

India is hosting the next T20 World Cup, while the upcoming IPL will start from April 9.

https://www.outlookindia.com/websit...efitted-from-indias-t20-cricket-league/376884

 

[Hasan123]

The amount of top players who have said the IPL has helped them means there must be some truth to it. Obviously first class system is more beneficial but playing against top players in pressure situations, and for some in unfavourable conditions must aid your development in LO.

 

[Ab Fan]

IPL is on par with WT20.

Gayle, AB de Villiers and Warner are greatest T20 batsman ever.

 

[Zerotohero]

But but Dale Steyn said that IPL is only entertainment. Dale Steyn is the greatest T 20 player now. Who is Morgan? ...naah doesn't suit our agenda...

 

[Gullycricket]

The amount of top players who have said the IPL has helped them means there must be some truth to it. Obviously first class system is more beneficial but playing against top players in pressure situations, and for some in unfavourable conditions must aid your development in LO.

Money triumphs truth.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Money triumphs truth.

Nah intrinsic Bias triumphs truth more than money.
All the best players playing in a league and somehow it is not good enough. Think about it.

 

[NoBallZombie]

IPL is on par with WT20.

Gayle, AB de Villiers and Warner are greatest T20 batsman ever.

IPL is better than WT20, infact better than any cricket ICC and other countries can produce.

 

[NoBallZombie]

But but Dale Steyn said that IPL is only entertainment. Dale Steyn is the greatest T 20 player now. Who is Morgan? ...naah doesn't suit our agenda...

Just curious, Morgan is a bigger player than Steyn?

 

[Ab Fan]

IPL is better than WT20, infact better than any cricket ICC and other countries can produce.

IPL is on par with WT20 and better than bilateral T20s. But it is not comparable to any form of ODIs and Tests.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

WT20 >= IPL >> PSL > BBL = bilateral T20Is

 

[AMSS]

Just curious, Morgan is a bigger player than Steyn?

No less than Steyn in LOIs

 

[Mamoon]

Money triumphs truth.

And what’s the truth?

1. A league like IPL where 99% of the best contemporary players play is somehow not good enough

2. A league with third class players like PSL is the gold standard of franchise cricket

Anything else?

Remember - Morgan is not Phil Salt and Livingstone or some other “railu katta”. He is not going to do bhangra over PSL and feed the delusions of Pakistani fans for obvious reasons.

 

[Last Monetarist]

IPL is on par with WT20 and better than bilateral T20s. But it is not comparable to any form of ODIs and Tests.

ODI cricket has reduced in influence over the last decade. The IPL is certainly more important than any bilateral ODI cricket, other than the World Cup.

Test cricket can't be compared as that caters for a different audience, and the players themselves realize that too. However, the money on offer in the IPL will always mean that boards have to be careful in the scheduling of test matches while the IPL is being played. The problem the ECB had this summer is that the New Zealand tests were a late add-on to make up for tv losses last year, and weren't part of the original itinerary.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I was told by the cricket students who graduated from BCCI School of Cricket that IPL was invented by the BCCI scientists to help Indian cricket but the trophy cabinet in BCCI's lab tells a different story.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

WT20 >= IPL >> PSL > BBL = bilateral T20Is

PPCL > WT20 > Bilateral T20 > All other chowmein leagues

 

[Ab Fan]

ODI cricket has reduced in influence over the last decade. The IPL is certainly more important than any bilateral ODI cricket, other than the World Cup.

Test cricket can't be compared as that caters for a different audience, and the players themselves realize that too. However, the money on offer in the IPL will always mean that boards have to be careful in the scheduling of test matches while the IPL is being played. The problem the ECB had this summer is that the New Zealand tests were a late add-on to make up for tv losses last year, and weren't part of the original itinerary.

Not every bilateral ODI match matters but a lot still do. Since there are two WT20s coming up back to back in next two years and in between a lot of tests will be played, people are devaluing ODIs a bit.

The money generated in franchise T20 cricket can't be ignored at all. So I would suggest to remove the international T20 format for once and all and keep only the franchise leagues. Let Tests and ODIs be played all throughout the year and only franchise T20s( IPL, PSL, BBL etc) be played during whatever the schedule is assigned for them.

Winning a World T20 tournament hardly bothers anyone. As an example, Windies have won two WT20s but they are not taken seriously as an international cricket team.

 

[Devadwal]

ECB managing director Ashley Giles (in Sky Sports) said "IPL is one of the reason why we are number 1 in both white-ball formats - we have 12 of the 16 players in T20 squad going to play IPL this year".

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

ECB managing director Ashley Giles (in Sky Sports) said "IPL is one of the reason why we are number 1 in both white-ball formats - we have 12 of the 16 players in T20 squad going to play IPL this year".

You know something is wrong when you have to rely on statements from other boards to prove that IPL helps players. Point is it was invented to help Indian players but it seems West Indians and English players are making best use of it and we are struggling to win trophies in LOIs.

 

[silentkiller187]

Other countries have definitely benefited, looking at indias LOI record in the icc events, seems like it has had an opposite affect on india.

 

[The lone Ranger]

Everyone has benefited including India as they're the most consistent team in Icc tournaments last decade.

If there was no IPL, India too would have been getting kicked out of group stage itself in every ICC tournaments and found themselves crawling around at the bottom of the rankings like other asian teams.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

But but Dale Steyn said that IPL is only entertainment. Dale Steyn is the greatest T 20 player now. Who is Morgan? ...naah doesn't suit our agenda...

This is what he truly said:

“I found that playing in these other leagues was slightly more rewarding as a player,” Steyn said. “I think when you go to IPL, there are such big squads and so many big names and so much emphasis on maybe the amount of money players earn and everything like that, so sometimes, somewhere down the line, cricket gets forgotten.”

“When you come to like a PSL or the Sri Lankan Premier League, for that matter, there is an importance on the cricket. Whereas, when I go to something like the IPL, that gets forgotten and the main topic is how much money did you go for in this IPL. That’s just me being brutally honest.”

Source: some random Indian site.

 

[silentkiller187]

Everyone has benefited including India as they're the most consistent team in Icc tournaments last decade.

If there was no IPL, India too would have been getting kicked out of group stage itself in every ICC tournaments and found themselves crawling around at the bottom of the rankings like other asian teams.

0 t20 tropies since the advent of the ipl , very consistent

 

[Hasan123]

Money triumphs truth.

But if he said the IPL is crap or something like that people would take that as truth.

Can you show me proof where a player who has said positive things about the IPL has been selected solely for that reason?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

How many from today's lineup play in IPL?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Ipl has benefitted other countries more than India cos we dont understand modern loi cricket.

Once the right people are in charge, we will see a dramatic shift in approach and results.

As of now, lets wallow in this mediocrity.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Ipl has benefitted other countries more than India cos we dont understand modern loi cricket.

Once the right people are in charge, we will see a dramatic shift in approach and results.

As of now, lets wallow in this mediocrity.

It's been more than 13 years already. How long will it take to learn modern LOI cricket?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

It's been more than 13 years already. How long will it take to learn modern LOI cricket?

Nothing will happen for even another 100 years if the status quo is maintained.

There needs to be a mindset change.

We have a kaptan who is a horrible strategist and tactician in lois.

A team management that is clueless.

Barely have any domestic experts who can analyse the game well.

Even those who can analyze well are spineless and wont call out the players and management.

As fans, we will continue hero worshipping players and keep wondering why we are not winning any tournaments.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Nothing will happen for even another 100 years if the status quo is maintained.

There needs to be a mindset change.

We have a kaptan who is a horrible strategist and tactician in lois.

A team management that is clueless.

Barely have any domestic experts who can analyse the game well.

Even those who can analyze well are spineless and wont call out the players and management.

As fans, we will continue hero worshipping players and keep wondering why we are not winning any tournaments.

I don't think Kohli will resign from captaincy. His ego and brand value does play a part in it just like Dhoni's did. I don't rate IPL much and think it is not of international quality but if he hasn't even won a trophy there in all these years then it tells a lot about his captaincy and selection lol. I won't even mind Pandya captaining LOI sides especially in T20s.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I don't think Kohli will resign from captaincy. His ego and brand value does play a part in it just like Dhoni's did. I don't rate IPL much and think it is not of international quality but if he hasn't even won a trophy there in all these years then it tells a lot about his captaincy and selection lol. I won't even mind Pandya captaining LOI sides especially in T20s.

Agreed.

The only way I see Kohli winning a cup is when our players perform so well that captaincy is rendered redundant.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Agreed.

The only way I see Kohli winning a cup is when our players perform so well that captaincy is rendered redundant.

For that to happen he needs to select better players and learn basics of team combination in LOIs. Selecting Gabbar and Thakur for today's match was a blunder. This is International Cricket not Sholay movie.

 

[JaDed]

For that to happen he needs to select better players and learn basics of team combination in LOIs. Selecting Gabbar and Thakur for today's match was a blunder. This is International Cricket not Sholay movie.

Sholay is among the top 5 “commercial” movies of Bollywood of all time.. comparing it with Kohli’s selection is absolute disrespectful to its influence and memory irrespective of namesakes.

Ram’s AAG is more apt

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Sholay is among the top 5 “commercial” movies of Bollywood of all time.. comparing it with Kohli’s selection is absolute disrespectful to its influence and memory irrespective of namesakes.

Ram’s AAG is more apt

There was another one if you remember. It was made with duplicates of Amitabh, Dharmendra etc. Movie name was 'Ramgarh ki Sholay' lol.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

It's been more than 13 years already. How long will it take to learn modern LOI cricket?

LOI cricket has evolved. The England brand of cricket in the last 4 years is now the new gold standard and other teams are too slow to catch on. India should never have even selected this lineup in the first place — if India wanted to build an attacking team like England, they would drop Rohit and bring in Ishan Kishan which they don’t have the guts to do.

This game was lost in the powerplay, otherwise India performed fine. Here is how I think England would have picked this team:

1. Ishan Kishan
2. KL Rahul
3. Virat Kohli (c)
4. Sanju Samson
5. Rishabh Pant (wk)
6. Hardik Pandya
7. Ravindra Jadeja
8. Washington Sundar
9. Deepak Chahar
10. Yuzvendra Chahal
11. Jasprit Bumrah

Load up on batting depth and pack the team with aggressive batsmen who maximize strike rate by phase of the game. Pick the best bowlers but disqualify people who can’t bat at all.

 

[Zeshan547]

LOI cricket has evolved. The England brand of cricket in the last 4 years is now the new gold standard and other teams are too slow to catch on. India should never have even selected this lineup in the first place — if India wanted to build an attacking team like England, they would drop Rohit and bring in Ishan Kishan which they don’t have the guts to do.

This game was lost in the powerplay, otherwise India performed fine. Here is how I think England would have picked this team:

1. Ishan Kishan
2. KL Rahul
3. Virat Kohli (c)
4. Sanju Samson
5. Rishabh Pant (wk)
6. Hardik Pandya
7. Ravindra Jadeja
8. Washington Sundar
9. Deepak Chahar
10. Yuzvendra Chahal
11. Jasprit Bumrah

Load up on batting depth and pack the team with aggressive batsmen who maximize strike rate by phase of the game. Pick the best bowlers but disqualify people who can’t bat at all.

Rohit is best inidan batsman in LOIs currently and you are dropping him. Ridiculous.

 

[Ab Fan]

LOI cricket has evolved. The England brand of cricket in the last 4 years is now the new gold standard and other teams are too slow to catch on. India should never have even selected this lineup in the first place — if India wanted to build an attacking team like England, they would drop Rohit and bring in Ishan Kishan which they don’t have the guts to do.

This game was lost in the powerplay, otherwise India performed fine. Here is how I think England would have picked this team:

1. Ishan Kishan
2. KL Rahul
3. Virat Kohli (c)
4. Sanju Samson
5. Rishabh Pant (wk)
6. Hardik Pandya
7. Ravindra Jadeja
8. Washington Sundar
9. Deepak Chahar
10. Yuzvendra Chahal
11. Jasprit Bumrah

Load up on batting depth and pack the team with aggressive batsmen who maximize strike rate by phase of the game. Pick the best bowlers but disqualify people who can’t bat at all.

KL and Rohit as openers with Samson as third opener choice. Samson is misfit in middle order. But as opener, a genuine match winner.

Kishan comes in the middle order or SKY comes in M.O.

 

[Mamoon]

Drop Rohit. Jesus Christ.

England would kill to have him in their lineup.

 

[Ab Fan]

Drop Rohit. Jesus Christ.

England would kill to have him in their lineup.

England batting lineup:-

Roy Hitter
Buttler Hitter
Malan Hitter
Bairstow Hitter
Morgan Hitter
Stokes Hitter
Curran Party spoiler

Indian batting lineup:-

KL Hitter( off late Anchor)
Dhawan Anchor
Kohli Anchor
Pant Hitter
Shreyas Anchor
Pandya Hitter
Sundar Anchor

6 hitters + 1 party spoiler vs 2.5 hitters+ 4 anchors

You decide what is the problem!

 

[Mamoon]

England batting lineup:-

Roy Hitter
Buttler Hitter
Malan Hitter
Bairstow Hitter
Morgan Hitter
Stokes Hitter
Curran Party spoiler

Indian batting lineup:-

KL Hitter( off late Anchor)
Dhawan Anchor
Kohli Anchor
Pant Hitter
Shreyas Anchor
Pandya Hitter
Sundar Anchor

6 hitters + 1 party spoiler vs 2.5 hitters+ 4 anchors

You decide what is the problem!

Certainly not Rohit. There mere notion of dropping him is completely ludicrous. He wants into every single white ball team in history.

Rohit has a 35 ball T20I ton and the capacity to notch up 150+ scores in this format. He was only of the most explosive and best six-hitters in the game. Over my 9 years on this forum, I have seen some laughable opinions on this forum and the notion that Rohit should be dropped if India wants to play like England is right up there.

As I explained in my earlier post in this thread, India needs to shuffle the batting-order but the personnel are largely fine. Maybe you can bring in another power-hitter instead of Iyer, but this is what I would like to see.

Rohit
KL Rahul
Pant
Kohli
Pandya
Iyer/another power-hitter.

Pant needs to bat at 3 with the license to go after the bowlers from ball one. Kohli at 4 because he will provided that added security and cushion in the middle-order if the likes of KL Rahul and Pant get out cheaply.

The problem with Kohli batting at 3 in T20Is is that if he gets out early, the likes of Pant and Pandya go into their shell and are tasked with keeping the innings together which counters their strengths.

India already have the best bowling unit in the world. They need to find a way to convert the 192/2 type score into 212/7, and dropping Rohit is certainly not the way to do it.

 

[Executioner]

IPL is on par with WT20 and better than bilateral T20s. But it is not comparable to any form of ODIs and Tests.

I'd say IPL is better than WT20 overalll but top 8 team playing in WT20 is better than IPL IMHO, especially the knockout matches. Bilateral T20Is are just meh

 

[OMB]

LOI cricket has evolved. The England brand of cricket in the last 4 years is now the new gold standard and other teams are too slow to catch on. India should never have even selected this lineup in the first place — if India wanted to build an attacking team like England, they would drop Rohit and bring in Ishan Kishan which they don’t have the guts to do.

This game was lost in the powerplay, otherwise India performed fine. Here is how I think England would have picked this team:

1. Ishan Kishan
2. KL Rahul
3. Virat Kohli (c)
4. Sanju Samson
5. Rishabh Pant (wk)
6. Hardik Pandya
7. Ravindra Jadeja
8. Washington Sundar
9. Deepak Chahar
10. Yuzvendra Chahal
11. Jasprit Bumrah

Load up on batting depth and pack the team with aggressive batsmen who maximize strike rate by phase of the game. Pick the best bowlers but disqualify people who can’t bat at all.

My list:
1. Rohit Sharma
2. KL Rahul
3. Ishan Kishan
4. Rishabh Pant
5. SKY instead of Samson
6. Hardik Pandya (must be fit to bowl)
7. Ravindra Jadeja
8. Washington Sundar
9. Y. Chahal
10. Shardul Thakur / Deepak Chahar (on rotation)
11. Jasprit Bumrah
Would keep Tewatiya as injury standby for SKY or Pandya.
Dhawan should not be in the team selection at all.

About the topic, India did find good players due to IPL but has not benefitted because they are still sticking to ODI combination. Need to take a leaf out of England and get powerplay strategy right.

 

[Pakistan1]

I think he means that it has helped them cope with conditions and playing t20 in Indian conditions.
A lot of icc tourney happen in India. He does not mean that he is playing is best ever league, lol. Just subcontinent and Indian conditions.

 

[Mamoon]

I think he means that it has helped them cope with conditions and playing t20 in Indian conditions.
A lot of icc tourney happen in India. He does not mean that he is playing is best ever league, lol. Just subcontinent and Indian conditions.

Which is the best ever league?

 

[Artaxerxes]

Overseas players have benefited immensely from IPL.People play in IPL for the money.Good luck to
them.I hope they keep making money,lots of it.

 

[Gilly]

Which is the best ever league?

The one you enjoy watching.

 

[Mamoon]

Overseas players have benefited immensely from IPL.People play in IPL for the money.Good luck to
them.I hope they keep making money,lots of it.

News flash: professional cricketers play professional cricket for money.

In other news, sky is blue.

The reality is that players also play international cricket for money. They can talk all they want about the pride of playing for their countries and how much it means to them, but the reality is that if cricket boards stop playing money, 99% of the players will not turn up for their national sides.

And why do you think retired, banished, and fringe players play in a low-budget, cheap imitation of IPL called PSL?

Yes, nothing to do with money. They just want to experience the league with the “best bowling in the world”.

 

[Ab Fan]

I'd say IPL is better than WT20 overalll but top 8 team playing in WT20 is better than IPL IMHO, especially the knockout matches. Bilateral T20Is are just meh

I agree WT20s are important but bilateral T20s are meaningless. Anyone's failure in bilateral T20s shouldn't be bothered about.

As example, Pant has performed in test cricket, he needs to improve in ODIs and if he does well in IPL, he will be in consideration for WT20 later this year. A lot of SENA teams will also look forward to this year's IPL to figure out their combination.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I agree WT20s are important but bilateral T20s are meaningless. Anyone's failure in bilateral T20s shouldn't be bothered about.

As example, Pant has performed in test cricket, he needs to improve in ODIs and if he does well in IPL, he will be in consideration for WT20 later this year. A lot of SENA teams will also look forward to this year's IPL to figure out their combination.

Ok so bilateral T20s are useless now? And failures there shouldn't be taken seriously? This thinking(if TM also thinks like that) pretty much sums up why we haven't won any T20 World Cup after 2007. We don't take bilaterals seriously, keep testing bench players, resting players like Bumrah and when the World Cup starts we don't know what team combination we should go with and pick whoever plays well in IPL and then blame lack of international matches experience after bowing out of world cups.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

LOI cricket has evolved. The England brand of cricket in the last 4 years is now the new gold standard and other teams are too slow to catch on. India should never have even selected this lineup in the first place — if India wanted to build an attacking team like England, they would drop Rohit and bring in Ishan Kishan which they don’t have the guts to do.

This game was lost in the powerplay, otherwise India performed fine. Here is how I think England would have picked this team:

1. Ishan Kishan
2. KL Rahul
3. Virat Kohli (c)
4. Sanju Samson
5. Rishabh Pant (wk)
6. Hardik Pandya
7. Ravindra Jadeja
8. Washington Sundar
9. Deepak Chahar
10. Yuzvendra Chahal
11. Jasprit Bumrah

Load up on batting depth and pack the team with aggressive batsmen who maximize strike rate by phase of the game. Pick the best bowlers but disqualify people who can’t bat at all.

4 wicketkeeper batsman? Give Pant another T20 series or two since he is in a form of his life in tests and then give 10-15 games to someone like Ishan Kishan. I am always in favour of giving equal number of opportunities to players. I still think KL Rahul keeping is best for this Indian team and his own batting. He was looking confident when he was keeping. As I said don't fix something which isn't broken. Ķohli did exactly that.

 

[Dombivli_Fast]

Ok so bilateral T20s are useless now? And failures there shouldn't be taken seriously? This thinking(if TM also thinks like that) pretty much sums up why we haven't won any T20 World Cup after 2007. We don't take bilaterals seriously, keep testing bench players, resting players like Bumrah and when the World Cup starts we don't know what team combination we should go with and pick whoever plays well in IPL and then blame lack of international matches experience after bowing out of world cups.

Pakistan take T20 bilaterals very seriously as they always field their strongest 11 irrespective of the opponents. Now tell me how many T20 world cups Pakistan have won

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pakistan take T20 bilaterals very seriously as they always field their strongest 11 irrespective of the opponents. Now tell me how many T20 world cups Pakistan have won

As always bringing Pakistan into discussion which has nothing to do with IPL. Anyway Pakistan actually won in 2009. How many did India win after inventing IPL and treating bilaterals as useless? You guys talk about IPL being better than bilaterals, some also claim it to be better than WC yet when it comes to trophies we have nothing to show. The world cup we won was because of players like Yuvi and Gambhir which were products of domestic cricket. We still haven't found their replacements yet and IPL hasn't helped in 13 years so far but yeah keep living in your la la land lol.

 

[Manunited18]

England definitely have benefited form the IPL in the limited overs format , hence the best in the world in both formats.

 

[viveks]

LOI cricket has evolved. The England brand of cricket in the last 4 years is now the new gold standard and other teams are too slow to catch on. India should never have even selected this lineup in the first place — if India wanted to build an attacking team like England, they would drop Rohit and bring in Ishan Kishan which they don’t have the guts to do.

This game was lost in the powerplay, otherwise India performed fine. Here is how I think England would have picked this team:

1. Ishan Kishan
2. KL Rahul
3. Virat Kohli (c)
4. Sanju Samson
5. Rishabh Pant (wk)
6. Hardik Pandya
7. Ravindra Jadeja
8. Washington Sundar
9. Deepak Chahar
10. Yuzvendra Chahal
11. Jasprit Bumrah

Load up on batting depth and pack the team with aggressive batsmen who maximize strike rate by phase of the game. Pick the best bowlers but disqualify people who can’t bat at all.

Kohli should actually play at 6/7 if he is playing. He will simply waste time uptop which someone like Pant or Pandya would use better

 

[Dombivli_Fast]

As always bringing Pakistan into discussion which has nothing to do with IPL. Anyway Pakistan actually won in 2009. How many did India win after inventing IPL and treating bilaterals as useless? You guys talk about IPL being better than bilaterals, some also claim it to be better than WC yet when it comes to trophies we have nothing to show. The world cup we won was because of players like Yuvi and Gambhir which were products of domestic cricket. We still haven't found their replacements yet and IPL hasn't helped in 13 years so far but yeah keep living in your la la land lol.

Bhag,
You Said India haven't won any T20 World cup since 2007 because they don't take bilateral seriously..And I gave u an example of a team which take bilateral very seriously still haven't performed any extra ordinarily in T20 world cup..now you tell me which team other than Pakistan take bilateral more seriously..why you getting triggered because I mentioned Pakistan.. And the most successful team in T20 World cup dont even take international cricket seriously.. They are bunch of players who play all the pyjama leagues whole year and only gather to represent their country every 2-3 years...

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Bhag,
You Said India haven't won any T20 World cup since 2007 because they don't take bilateral seriously..And I gave u an example of a team which take bilateral very seriously still haven't performed any extra ordinarily in T20 world cup..now you tell me which team other than Pakistan take bilateral more seriously..why you getting triggered because I mentioned Pakistan.. And the most successful team in T20 World cup dont even take international cricket seriously.. They are bunch of players who play all the pyjama leagues whole year and only gather to represent their country every 2-3 years...

It is pretty clear who got triggered on what here. Pakistan and their players have nothing to do with this thread. They neither play in IPL nor call bilaterals useless. If they are putting their best team up and still losing then that is their problem not mine. I am talking about Indian team only which keeps resting important players in series like these and then when the World Cup comes we always screw it up. If other teams or players are benefitting from IPL and we are failing in taking advantage of so called world class league then there is something wrong with it.

 

[Dombivli_Fast]

It is pretty clear who got triggered on what here. Pakistan and their players have nothing to do with this thread. They neither play in IPL nor call bilaterals useless. If they are putting their best team up and still losing then that is their problem not mine. I am talking about Indian team only which keeps resting important players in series like these and then when the World Cup comes we always screw it up. If other teams or players are benefitting from IPL and we are failing in taking advantage of so called world class league then there is something wrong with it.

Yes everyone can see what just happened here..ur logic of taking bilateral seriously n winning T20 WCs fallen flat when I gave you example of Pakistan and West Indies..

 

[Pakhs]

IPL is on par with WT20.

Gayle, AB de Villiers and Warner are greatest T20 batsman ever.

Only Gayle can say he has contributed to Wt20 Win.

 

[Pakhs]

They have all benefited financially which ofcourse is a big thing.

 

[adil79]

It's safe to say IPL has changed cricket for the better! Before IPL, 300 chases would feel like a lot. Now, it's normal. Hopefully our PSL can match 1/10th of what IPL is.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Yes everyone can see what just happened here..ur logic of taking bilateral seriously n winning T20 WCs fallen flat when I gave you example of Pakistan and West Indies..

Way to miss the point. Pakistan and West Indies are not hosts of IPL, India is and that is what I was saying. It was created to help India not others.

 

[Saj]

Tournaments like IPL have changed cricket. Not everyone would say for the better though.

One thing is for sure, it's certainly improved the bank balances of some cricketers.

 

[rhony]

It's no coincidence that the Indian team has been very consistent in every world tournament after the IPL started. It has unearthed players, taught them how to handle pressure, enabled them to make a good living. More importantly, it has almost made the biased Indian selector with regional quota system irrelevant. The kids select themselves to the national teams if they show case their talent at IPL.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Nothing will happen for even another 100 years if the status quo is maintained.

There needs to be a mindset change.

We have a kaptan who is a horrible strategist and tactician in lois.

A team management that is clueless.

Barely have any domestic experts who can analyse the game well.

Even those who can analyze well are spineless and wont call out the players and management.

As fans, we will continue hero worshipping players and keep wondering why we are not winning any tournaments.

You know na that Kohli has never captained us in a t20 world cup?
The fact that we didn't win a t20 world cup since 07 has got nothing to do with Kohli.

Also Ipl existed way before 2017, why did we lose each and every t20 world cup since 07 even under Dhoni?

 

[rhony]

You know na that Kohli has never captained us in a t20 world cup?
The fact that we didn't win a t20 world cup since 07 has got nothing to do with Kohli.

Also Ipl existed way before 2017, why did we lose each and every t20 world cup since 07 even under Dhoni?

It's a fool's argument. Having the most effective league can provide you a pipeline of good players and enables you to be consistent. India has the best bench strength and have been the most consistent team in all world tournaments. However, anything can happen on the big match day. No one can predict absolute goobers from a Yuvraj or a Rahane that could lead to a disaster in an important game.

Real fans understand this part. The flaky ones use this as an excuse. Luckily cricket, albeit being a team sport has a lot of room for individual brilliance to affect the results. Like an innings from Fakhar or a spell from Malinga or an innings from Dhoni.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It's no coincidence that the Indian team has been very consistent in every world tournament after the IPL started. It has unearthed players, taught them how to handle pressure, enabled them to make a good living. More importantly, it has almost made the biased Indian selector with regional quota system irrelevant. The kids select themselves to the national teams if they show case their talent at IPL.

How many? Name them please.

 

[rhony]

How many? Name them please.

Bumrah. There are many but India's, best fast bowler is the prime example.

Malinga was with Mumbai Indians since I joined them in 2013 as a 19-year-old,” said Bumrah. “Back then I was just a kid who didn’t even play First-Class cricket. So talking to and learning from him over the last three-four years has been very valuable. Every bit of knowledge is important in international cricket.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sc...-test-cricket-absolutely-but-there-is-no-rush

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Bumrah. There are many but India's, best fast bowler is the prime example.

Malinga was with Mumbai Indians since I joined them in 2013 as a 19-year-old,” said Bumrah. “Back then I was just a kid who didn’t even play First-Class cricket. So talking to and learning from him over the last three-four years has been very valuable. Every bit of knowledge is important in international cricket.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sc...-test-cricket-absolutely-but-there-is-no-rush

If there are many you shouldn't have any problem in naming them. It's been 13 years, I am pretty sure you can name at least 13 players who were unearthed in IPL.

 

[rhony]

If there are many you shouldn't have any problem in naming them. It's been 13 years, I am pretty sure you can name at least 13 players who were unearthed in IPL.

Bumrah's name shocked you didn't it. Lol. Pandya brothers, Chahal etc are others. Natarajan, Washington Sundar would have been nobodies rotting in domestic circuit if not for IPL. Sundar hasn't even played a FC game in ages.

IPL also resurrected the careers of a bunch of players. The FC system doesn't give the visibility of IPL in a hundred years.

 

[MenInG]

England captain Eoin Morgan has called on its IPL-bound players to make the most of the experience of playing in the T20 league as they prepare for the T20 World Cup.

“Taking advantage of the upcoming IPL is going to be huge,” Morgan said after his team’s 36-run defeat to India.

“As a team and individuals we don’t want to stand still, we want to continue to move forward. Any opportunity guys get at the IPL, you want to try to make the most of it,” Morgan, who is the skipper of IPL side Kolkata Knight Riders, said.

England will be at home all summer, taking on New Zealand (two) and India (five) in seven Tests between June and September before they get to play white-ball cricket in Bangladesh and Pakistan in the build up to the T20 World Cup.

“We’re going to be playing at home all summer and then we got to Bangladesh and Pakistan. You know, there’s limited opportunity to get our best XI in those games. So I think the experience over the next couple of months is probably the most valuable, and then having the time to work on your game after that,” Morgan, England’s ODI World Cup-winning skipper, said.

England has fielded full-strength squads in its recent T20 series against South Africa and India but Morgan revealed that he expects to be without the services of multi-format players throughout the team’s home T20I series against Sri Lanka and Pakistan next summer. “I would imagine all of the multi-format guys (will miss those series),” Morgan said.

“It’s just too much to ask, given the winter guys have had as well, around being in a bubble. A lot of it will be dependent on how flexible it is to come in and out of the biosecure environment that we’ll have during our summer, and whether they can see their families or not. We’ve been lucky with injuries so far but we can’t always have our fast bowlers as fit as we would like them. What we will have throughout the summer is opportunities for guys to stake their claim.”

‘Nobody’s nailed on’

England made just one change in the just-concluded five-match T20I series: Tom Curran replaced Mark Wood due to injury in the second match.

Morgan insists England is yet to finalise its T20 World Cup squad. “I think we’re too far away from the World Cup to see who could be in and out of the squad, what we will have throughout the summer is opportunities for those guys to stake their claim,” he said.

“Nobody’s nailed on. If any player including myself looks that far ahead and think that their position is nailed down, they’re mistaken because we want to improve as the rest of the world progresses. T20 as a game is progressing faster than any other of the formats, so we need to be quite flexible in how we want to improve. We can’t be rigid. We looked at it last summer with guys like Tom Banton, Sam Billings, and Moeen Ali (who has) taken on great responsibility when he’s had the opportunity.”

The duo of Jos Buttler and Dawid Malan gave a fantastic start to England’s mammoth chase of 225 last night as England was 130 for 1 after 13 overs but three quick wickets derailed it. “Our middle-order probably haven’t fired as well as we would have liked. But there were some big lessons and huge amount of positives. Four out of five games, we’ve produced some of our best Powerplay bowling that we have in the last couple of years,” Morgan said, praising Adil Rashid.

“He (Rashid) has to be hugely commended for taking on a new role within the side, creating opportunity and obviously limiting the amount of runs that he was scored off as well, gives us an extra option moving forward. It’s one of the hardest to bowl probably particularly in India,” he concluded.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...t20-world-cup-adil-rashid/article34122852.ece

 

[jnaveen1980]

International T20 is a joke. Half the time they send their C team to give some exposure. Kohli missed 22 games in the last 5 years out of a total 72.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

England batting lineup:-

Roy Hitter
Buttler Hitter
Malan Hitter
Bairstow Hitter
Morgan Hitter
Stokes Hitter
Curran Party spoiler

Indian batting lineup:-

KL Hitter( off late Anchor)
Dhawan Anchor
Kohli Anchor
Pant Hitter
Shreyas Anchor
Pandya Hitter
Sundar Anchor

6 hitters + 1 party spoiler vs 2.5 hitters+ 4 anchors

You decide what is the problem!

Well.. Anchor beat Hitter 3-2 in a high scoring affair. #justsaying

 

[Ab Fan]

Well.. Anchor beat Hitter 3-2 in a high scoring affair. #justsaying

Only after they changed their batting lineup. Rohit comes in, SKY and Kishan comes in. Three hitters in!

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Bumrah's name shocked you didn't it. Lol. Pandya brothers, Chahal etc are others. Natarajan, Washington Sundar would have been nobodies rotting in domestic circuit if not for IPL. Sundar hasn't even played a FC game in ages.

IPL also resurrected the careers of a bunch of players. The FC system doesn't give the visibility of IPL in a hundred years.

The only thing that shocked me is your inability to tell at least 13 names who were unearthed by IPL in the last 13 years.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The only problem I have with T20 cricket in general and IPL in particular is that it has come at the cost of ODI cricket which has gotten increasingly irrelevant over the last decade. There simply is not enough interest to sustain 3 formats and years ago I had made a thread on PP predicting that ODIs would die out. That seems to be happening and it would be a sad day when ODI cricket is finally discarded.

 

[OMB]

The horrors keep extending. Some brilliant mind came up with T10 league. The ones I saw in UAE had more ad time than match time. Blink and it was over

 

[MenInG]

Kolkata Knight Riders skipper Eoin Morgan will be accessible for the rest of IPL 2021. The decision comes following the deferment of England's white-ball series against Bangladesh to 2023.

The England Cricket Board and Bangladesh Cricket Board commonly chose to postpone the tour including three ODIs and three T20Is.

Eoin Morgan just affirmed his participation in the second phase of the IPL in UAE and guaranteed that the choice to take part is his individual decision. The skipper said that it was a mutually beneficial decision since T20 World Cup is the primary plan.

"It's a completely individual decision," Morgan said. "I think it was a win-win either way. If we went to Bangladesh we'd play in conditions that are foreign to us," he said.

"If some guys go to the IPL, they'll play in similar conditions, or for guys that need a rest, they take a rest," he added.

With their tour through Bangladesh being rearranged, England will play two T20Is before the initiation of the T20 World Cup in the not-so-distant future.

Nonetheless, the two matches against Pakistan likewise accompany their own difficulties as the second T20I conflict with the IPL last on October 15. As of now, both the ECB and PCB are certain to go ahead with the short visit.

Eoin Morgan added that it is totally dependent upon the players to either address their franchise in the IPL or utilize an opportunity to rest and recuperate.

"We have a lot of cricket to play between now and then. We've planned on the tour going ahead that's been part of our planning for a long time now but equally, given the nature in which we now compete and live our lives," he said.

"It's not a bad thing for guys to either take time off or go to the IPL if they feel refreshed and have enough energy," he added

KKR are right now grieving in the seventh spot in the IPL points table with just two successes in the first phase of the tournament

https://www.wionews.com/sports/ipl-...s-availability-for-second-phase-in-uae-402750

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Andrew Strauss managed the Director role pretty smoothly. It worked very harmoniously. Ever since Ashley Giles has taken up the role, almost every decision has raised some eyebrows. English test side has only receded under Silverwood but the LOI sides are just as good as they were under Bayliss. I guess Paul Farbrace has been the one who has changed England's mindset about LOIs.

 

[PakLFC]

It's made them plenty of money too There is every reason to be thankful