"We [Hungarians] are not a mixed race...and we do not want to become a mixed race" : PM Viktor Orban

[MenInG]

"We [Hungarians] are not a mixed race...and we do not want to become a mixed race" : PM Viktor Orban

Hungary's far-right prime minister has caused outrage by criticising the "mixing" of European and non-European people.

"We [Hungarians] are not a mixed race... and we do not want to become a mixed race," Viktor Orban said during a speech on Saturday.

His comments sparked outrage from opposition MPs and European politicians.

Katalin Cseh, an MEP from Hungary's opposition Momentum party, tweeted: "To all 'mixed race' people in Hungary, whatever this senseless racist outburst means: Your skin color may be different, you may come from Europe or beyond-you are one of us, we are proud of you. Diversity strengthens the nation, not weakens it."

Romanian MEP Alin Mituta tweeted: "Speaking about race or ethnic 'purity', especially in such a mixed region such as central and eastern Europe, is purely delusional and dangerous. And so is Mr Orban."

Speaking at Baile Tusnad Summer University in central Romania, Mr Orban claimed "the west is split in two".

He said one-half consists of countries where European and other non-European people intermingle.
"Those countries are no longer nations," he said.

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He said such countries "continue to fight central Europe to change us to be like them".

"In a spiritual sense, the West has moved to central Europe," he added.

It comes as Mr Orban prepares to travel to the US to address a gathering of conservative activists.

The ultraconservative prime minister is becoming increasingly popular among the American right for his opposition to immigration, gay rights and liberal policies.

At odds with the EU

During his speech, Mr Orban said the European Union needed a new strategy for the war in Ukraine as sanctions against Moscow have not worked.

"A new strategy is needed which should focus peace talks and drafting a good peace proposal...instead of winning the war," he said.

He reiterated that Hungary, a NATO member, would stay out of the war in neighbouring Ukraine.

His position is at odds with the rest of the EU. He has said Hungary is unwilling to support EU embargoes. Hungary is around 85% reliant on Russian gas imports.

He claimed the Western strategy in Europe had been built on four pillars: that Ukraine can win a war against Russia with NATO weapons, that sanctions could weaken Russia and destabilise its leadership, that sanctions would hurt Russia more than Europe, and that the world would line up in support of Europe.

Mr Orban said the strategy had failed as governments in Europe are collapsing" like dominoes," as energy prices surge. He said a new strategy was needed.

"We are sitting in a car that has a puncture in all four tyres: it is absolutely clear that the war cannot be won in this
way," Mr Orban said.

He said Ukraine will never win the war this way "quite simply because the Russian army has asymmetrical dominance".

He said there was no chance for peace talks between Russia and Ukraine, adding: "As Russia wants security guarantees, this war can be ended only with peace talks between Russia and America," he said.

https://news.sky.com/story/hungary-...ixing-of-europeans-and-non-europeans-12658719

 

[Robert]

That guy’s a proto-fascist and Putin puppet. Hungary should be suspended from the EU until they elect someone who shares European values again.

 

[MenInG]

That guy’s a proto-fascist and Putin puppet. Hungary should be suspended from the EU until they elect someone who shares European values again.

So Right wing at his best.

 

[Robert]

So Right wing at his best.

Fascism isn’t exactly right wing, which to me means pure capitalism.

Fascism involves cronyism, elevation of the military, disdain for experts and intellectuals, personality cult / great leader principle, erosion of labour power, and demonising foreigners at home and abroad.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Has anyone ever been to Hungary? Just wondering how it stacks up for lifestyle against the mixed race western countries.

 

[MenInG]

Hungary’s far-right prime minister, Viktor Orbán, has lashed out against the “mixing” of European and non-European races, in a speech that immediately drew outrage from opposition parties and European politicians.

“We [Hungarians] are not a mixed race … and we do not want to become a mixed race,” said Orbán on Saturday. He added that countries where European and non-Europeans mingle were “no longer nations”.

Orbán has been making similar claims for years, but these comments were couched in stark far-right terms.

Katalin Cseh, an MEP from the opposition Momentum party, said she was appalled by the prime minister’s speech. “His statements recall a time I think we would all like to forget. They really show the true colours of the regime,” she said.

Spoiler

On Twitter, Cseh addressed mixed-race people in Hungary: “Your skin colour may be different, you may come from Europe or beyond, but you are one of us, and we are proud of you. Diversity strengthens the nation, it doesn’t weaken it.”

The Romanian MEP Alin Mituța also responded angrily to Orbán’s comments. “Speaking about race or ethnic ‘purity’, especially in such a mixed region such as central and eastern Europe, is purely delusional and dangerous. And so is Mr Orban,” he wrote on Twitter.

Orbán made the remarks during a showpiece annual speech in Băile Tuşnad, Romania, where he has previously floated major policy ideas or ideological directions. It was there, in 2014, that he first said he wanted to build an “illiberal democracy” in Hungary.

This year, Orbán gave an apocalyptic speech predicting the decline of the west and prophesying “a decade of peril, uncertainty, and war”. He also sharply criticised western military support for Ukraine, positioning himself as Moscow’s foremost ally inside the European Union.

“The more modern weapons Nato gives the Ukrainians, the more the Russians will push the frontline forward … What we are doing is prolonging the war,” said Orbán during a speech on Saturday.

Hungary is a member of Nato, but the far-right Orbán has long had warm relations with Putin, and spent five hours in Moscow talking to the Russian leader in February, shortly before the Russian invasion. The speech came two days after his foreign minister made a surprise trip to Moscow for talks, and puts him far outside the European consensus on the war.

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Orbán said the job of the west should not be to hope for a Ukrainian victory, but to mediate a peace deal. “We shouldn’t be on Russia’s side, or Ukraine’s side, but between the two,” he said, adding that the policy of imposing sanctions on Russia had not worked.

Oleg Nikolenko, spokesperson for Ukraine’s foreign ministry, described Orbán’s claims as “Russian propaganda”.

Orbán won a fourth consecutive term in office in an election earlier this year, with his government accused of stifling media freedom and backsliding on democratic norms since his Fidesz party won power in 2010. Since the 2015 refugee crisis, Orbán’s government has used far-right anti-migration rhetoric as its main talking point.

On Saturday, he made frequent nods to the “great replacement” conspiracy theory, which claims there is a plot to dilute the white populations of the US and European countries through immigration. He said it was “an ideological trick of the internationalist left to say the European population is already mixed race”.

He named demographics, migration and gender as the main battlefields of the future, on the same day that thousands of people rallied in Budapest for the city’s annual Pride march.

The European Commission is currently suing Hungary over a recent anti-LGBTQ+ law, a copy of Russia’s “gay propaganda” law. It bans gay people from featuring in school educational materials or TV shows aimed at minors.

Orbán’s position on Ukraine has lost him support among some of his previous ideological allies, notably Poland’s ruling Law and Justice party, which has criticised his equivocal stance on the war.

“He’s further away from the European mainstream than ever before,” said Péter Krekó, of the Political Capital thinktank in Budapest. “I think he really believes that migration pressures will mean the united west is soon over and every government will become far right … It’s also clear he wants Russia to win this war.”

Orbán will be hoping for Italian elections in September to return a rightwing coalition, and is also rooting for the return of Donald Trump in 2024. Next month, he is due to travel to Dallas, Texas, where he will address CPAC, a large gathering of American conservatives. Earlier this year, CPAC hosted a special session of the conference in Budapest.

At home, Orbán’s battle with European institutions seems likely to intensify further. The EU has frozen several billion euros of recovery funds earmarked for Hungary over corruption and rule-of-law concerns. Orbán’s harsh speech may be a sign that the Hungarian government has given up on receiving the funds.

“He knows exactly what reaction there would be to this speech, and I think he’s preparing for a lack of compromise,” said Krekó. “He wants to fight the symbolic fight instead of talking about the austerity measures they will need to introduce.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/24/viktor-orban-against-race-mixing-europe-hungary

 

[Technics 1210]

This is the price EU sycophants pay for inducting Eastern communist block of Europe into the EU hall of shame.

Serves you EU apologists right. Now Italy's incoming PM is also a neo-Nazi sympathiser, Giorgia Meloni.

You never learn, austerity breeds facsim, now go change your profile pics to EU flags, show some solidarity for a crumbling EU.

 

[Kriketer]

Has anyone ever been to Hungary? Just wondering how it stacks up for lifestyle against the mixed race western countries.

From what I have heard and read, they don't like mixing and prefer their own (Caucasians) only. I guess that goes for majority of Eastern Europe: Poland, Czech, Romania, Hungary don't like other skin colors in their countries.

On my visit there I didn't come across people of other race as Hungarians, other than the obvious visitors. Wouldn't even say they are as friendly to visitors from my personal experience. Budapest does get a lot of visitors but the locals there seemed quite reserved, be it at restaurant, hotel or random people you come across. Definitely not like the Western Europeans or North Americans where majority seem pleasant.

 

[daytrader]

Typical far right mentality. It's still prevalent in major western nations but most of them have realized immigrants are needed for the economy

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

From what I have heard and read, they don't like mixing and prefer their own (Caucasians) only. I guess that goes for majority of Eastern Europe: Poland, Czech, Romania, Hungary don't like other skin colors in their countries.

On my visit there I didn't come across people of other race as Hungarians, other than the obvious visitors. Wouldn't even say they are as friendly to visitors from my personal experience. Budapest does get a lot of visitors but the locals there seemed quite reserved, be it at restaurant, hotel or random people you come across. Definitely not like the Western Europeans or North Americans where majority seem pleasant.

From their POV I guess that's fair enough, if they want an all white society good luck to them. I was just wondering as a place to live how does it compare to mixed race western democracies? As we know, the likes of USA, Australia, UK and Canada are generally considered the best places to live, but that's from the perspective of ethnic minorities. If you are white, would you find a more satisfying and better standard of living in these eastern European countries?

 

[Pakpak]

From their POV I guess that's fair enough, if they want an all white society good luck to them. I was just wondering as a place to live how does it compare to mixed race western democracies? As we know, the likes of USA, Australia, UK and Canada are generally considered the best places to live, but that's from the perspective of ethnic minorities. If you are white, would you find a more satisfying and better standard of living in these eastern European countries?

Have lived in Eastern Europe for more than half a decade in the past. And travelled to others as we. Won't say more as want to stay anonymous.

Never really faced any obvious racism. My landlord and his family treated me like their son and the help they gave me on countless occasions which ranged from getting the odd lift to taking their time off work to help me with documentation or visits to gov buildings for admin stuff, was beyond words. One of them even took English classes so he could communicate with me better. We still exchange pictures of our kids and family once a year. Even they knew about Imran Khan

As for the general public any snarkiness given to me went, which was so rare I fan count on my fingers, away v quickly when they heard my accent and deduced I am from the UK. The cold exterior and not smiling is an Eastern European trait but is taken to be as unfriendly when its not.

One thing you will find in Eastern Europe is a lot of Nazi groups from Russia to Poland, almost all from football club supporters. How we have Combat 18 or other nonsense they have their share. Ironic considering Hitler considered slavic people the lowest.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Have lived in Eastern Europe for more than half a decade in the past. And travelled to others as we. Won't say more as want to stay anonymous.

Never really faced any obvious racism. My landlord and his family treated me like their son and the help they gave me on countless occasions which ranged from getting the odd lift to taking their time off work to help me with documentation or visits to gov buildings for admin stuff, was beyond words. One of them even took English classes so he could communicate with me better. We still exchange pictures of our kids and family once a year. Even they knew about Imran Khan

As for the general public any snarkiness given to me went, which was so rare I fan count on my fingers, away v quickly when they heard my accent and deduced I am from the UK. The cold exterior and not smiling is an Eastern European trait but is taken to be as unfriendly when its not.

One thing you will find in Eastern Europe is a lot of Nazi groups from Russia to Poland, almost all from football club supporters. How we have Combat 18 or other nonsense they have their share. Ironic considering Hitler considered slavic people the lowest.

I think the only eastern European I came across was Lithuanian, and again he and his son were super respectful and friendly. But individuals aside I was just wondering how well does society function in a place like Hungary? Does it compare favourably with the UK for services, transport, general quality of life and so on?