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''We need to talk about Love Jihad''

what can you say Muslim men are charming :wy

Don't blame love jihad work on your game :ua
 
Bigboii said:
what can you say Muslim men are charming :wy

Don't blame love jihad work on your game :ua
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All joking aside, this language is purely used to dehumanise a group.

Once you do that, committing atrocities becomes a lot easier.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">VHP demands Modi government enact ‘stringent’ law against ‘love jihad’<br><br>ThePrint's Neelam Pandey <a href="https://twitter.com/NPDay?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NPDay</a> reports<a href="https://t.co/VBayOxFxqw">https://t.co/VBayOxFxqw</a></p>— ThePrintIndia (@ThePrintIndia) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThePrintIndia/status/1317024441218428928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Agree. This topic deserves a discussion. There are two set of people with opposing views and both must come together to resolve this issue. Else, politicians will keep exploiting it for their gains.

I know most men from subcontinent regardless of their religion do not like "their" women to get married outside their religion. That's a separate topic itself.

But what is the ground reality of LJ?

Has someone here actually witnessed an LJ episode?

If yes, would you know was the motivation behind such an act?
 
BreadPakoda said:
Agree. This topic deserves a discussion. There are two set of people with opposing views and both must come together to resolve this issue. Else, politicians will keep exploiting it for their gains.

I know most men from subcontinent regardless of their religion do not like "their" women to get married outside their religion. That's a separate topic itself.

But what is the ground reality of LJ?

Has someone here actually witnessed an LJ episode?

If yes, would you know was the motivation behind such an act?
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It's just a bunch of incel man-children/child-men complaining cuz "their" women are going towards "other" men.


Then mix in religion and typical SC idiocracy and you have the LJ.

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Lurker_Ind said:
There should only be love. No Jihad.

Hindus and Muslims should intermarry and give up religion completely. They look the same, talk the same and mostly eat the same too. Some how they cannot marry because their parents taught them to believe in a mythical Sky dude.
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If hindus give up religion and intermarry, the problem would be solved anyway.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WATCH?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WATCH</a> Allahabad HC said religious conversion isn't necessary for marriage. Govt will also work to curb 'Love-Jihad', we'll make a law. I warn those who conceal identity & play with our sisters' respect, if you don't mend your ways your 'Ram naam satya' journey will begin: UP CM <a href="https://t.co/7Ddhz15inS">pic.twitter.com/7Ddhz15inS</a></p>— ANI UP (@ANINewsUP) <a href="https://twitter.com/ANINewsUP/status/1322486849596612609?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
“Will End ‘Love Jihad’ In Karnataka”: ** Yediyurappa

Bengaluru: “Love Jihad” is a social evil and a law is necessary to tackle it, the Karnataka government said today, revealing that it is consulting experts on the subject. Karnataka is the latest to consider such a law after other BJP-ruled states like Uttar Pradesh, Haryana and Madhya Pradesh.

Chief Minister ** Yediyurappa announced that his government would “take stern measures towards ending” what he called young girls being lured with money or love.

“We have seen many reports in newspapers and in the electronic media about conversions due to love jihad. I discussed this with officials before coming here. I don’t know about other states - but in Karnataka we are going to end this. The luring of young girls with the use of money or love is something we are taking seriously. We will take stern measures towards ending this,” Mr Yediyurappa said.

Earlier, his home minister Basavaraj Bommai had called it a “social evil” that must be tackled using law.

“This love jihad has been there for some time and it is a social evil. A law is necessary - that has been the loud thinking of various sections of society in all states,” Mr Bommai said.

“We are looking at what steps we are going to take and we are consulting our law experts also. Based on those decisions, we would also like to have some protection …this inducement of youngsters into love jihad and then conversion,” said the home minister.

“Love jihad” is a pejorative used by right-wing groups to target relationships between Muslim men and Hindu women, which, they say, is a ruse to forcibly convert the women.

It is a term not officially recognized by the central government. In February this year, the Home Ministry had told parliament that: “Love Jihad is not defined in law” and no such case had been reported by central agencies.

“Article 25 of the constitution provides for the freedom to profess, practice and propagate religion subject to public order, morality and health. Various courts have upheld this view including the Kerala High Court. The term ‘love jihad’ is not defined under the extant laws,” Minister of State for Home G Kishan Reddy had said in the Lok Sabha.

Before the Karnataka Chief Minister made it official, a senior BJP leader in the state, CT Ravi, had indicated in a tweet that the state could bring law banning religious conversion for the purpose of marriage.

“On lines of Allahabad High Court’s order, Karnataka will enact a law banning religious conversions for the sake of marriage… Anyone involved in the act of conversion shall face severe and swift punishment (sic),” he said in a tweet that referred to Muslim men as “jihadis”.

The Allahabad High Court had ruled on October 31 that religious conversion for the purpose of marriage is illegal. The court delivered the order while dismissing the petition of an interfaith couple in Uttar Pradesh asking that the police and the woman’s father be directed not to harass them. The couple had married in July.

Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath, referring to the order, invoked a Hindu funeral chant to warn people against it, saying: “Love jihadis will say Ram Naam Satya Hai”. Haryana and Madhya Pradesh also said they would explore the possibility of bringing laws to check such conversions.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/lov...consulting-experts-to-bring-law-2320994?amp=1
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The ulterior political motive is to carry the social exclusion of Muslims to its logical end where, for all practical purposes, they are driven out of the social ecosystem altogether. | <a href="https://twitter.com/NcAsthana?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NcAsthana</a><a href="https://t.co/FxtArZhGTK">https://t.co/FxtArZhGTK</a></p>— The Wire (@thewire_in) <a href="https://twitter.com/thewire_in/status/1325994084616515596?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
RajBan said:
Did it solve in Pakistan where Hindus did what you suggested?
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It will solve if we are actually talking about intermarrying through love jihad*, if you are talking about kidnapping and coercing then obviously that will not solve anything.

* There is of course no such thing as love jihad, this is a term invented by hardcore hindutva extremists who rage against girls marrying Muslims.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Making preparations to introduce Madhya Pradesh Freedom of Religion Bill, 2020 in Assembly. It'll provide for 5 yrs of rigorous imprisonment. We're also proposing that such crimes be declared a cognizable & non-bailable offence: MP Home Minister Narottam Mishra on 'Love Jihad' <a href="https://t.co/N4NA7Js8Ai">pic.twitter.com/N4NA7Js8Ai</a></p>— ANI (@ANI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1328586545994080256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Love jihad is a wrong term and focusses on a religion. They should use the secular term grooming and make laws to punish groomers instead of making it religion specific and creating obstacles for those who want interfaith marriage.
 
If there was no interfaith marriage, there is no humanity. It shouldn't be a taboo at all. I think it will get better as we move out from the "arranged marriage" philosophy.

As more and women get educated, they will stand up for their right to get married to who ever they want. Once these hardline lunatics see a few hindu men marrying educated Muslim women, I'm sure they will cool down with their conspiracy theories. I know a few interfaith couples who lead a happy life in US and they always dread to visit their families in Asia.
 
CricketCartoons said:
Love jihad is a wrong term and focusses on a religion. They should use the secular term grooming and make laws to punish groomers instead of making it religion specific and creating obstacles for those who want interfaith marriage.
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Love jihad and grooming are all wrong terms for India, two of those words are English language, and one is Arab. I would suggest using prem fasad if anything, and grooming doesn't even make sense in India since it has probably been done for eons without anyone even realising it was wrong.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The spectre of “love jihad” is haunting India again. <br><br>The last time the BJP took this up as a political plank wholeheartedly, it resulted in the killing of 62 people, and displacement of more than 50,000 Muslims. | <a href="https://twitter.com/AjoyAshirwad?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AjoyAshirwad</a> <a href="https://t.co/WbXoAjHQEB">https://t.co/WbXoAjHQEB</a></p>— The Wire (@thewire_in) <a href="https://twitter.com/thewire_in/status/1329707072452141056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
rhony said:
If there was no interfaith marriage, there is no humanity. It shouldn't be a taboo at all. I think it will get better as we move out from the "arranged marriage" philosophy.

As more and women get educated, they will stand up for their right to get married to who ever they want. Once these hardline lunatics see a few hindu men marrying educated Muslim women, I'm sure they will cool down with their conspiracy theories. I know a few interfaith couples who lead a happy life in US and they always dread to visit their families in Asia.
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AFAIK Muslim women are not allowed to marry outside their religion. Why would you want them to turn kafir?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Love jihad and grooming are all wrong terms for India, two of those words are English language, and one is Arab. I would suggest using prem fasad if anything, and grooming doesn't even make sense in India since it has probably been done for eons without anyone even realising it was wrong.
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English is an official language in india. because something has been happening in the past is even the more reason to bring legislation against it, not to let it continue. I wouldn't have responded to such poor logic, but it was you, so had to honour the post.
 
I thought marriage between Hindu and Muslim in India was acceptable in many circles. In USA I have 2 uncles from India ( my dads age late 70s) who are married to Hindu women. Had kids who are all happily married also. One uncle is secular but the other though not a Maulana is a masjid going muslim married to a Hindu women for over 40 years I assume.
 
BreadPakoda said:
AFAIK Muslim women are not allowed to marry outside their religion. Why would you want them to turn kafir?
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Allowed or not allowed is for women without an independent thought. It's about choice. As we advance as a civilization, women will be better educated and ignore the chauvinists. Everybody has a right to marry whoever they want.
 
CricketCartoons said:
English is an official language in india. because something has been happening in the past is even the more reason to bring legislation against it, not to let it continue. I wouldn't have responded to such poor logic, but it was you, so had to honour the post.
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If grooming is the problem, then why are we using the term love jihad in the first place?
 
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/is-...rs-families-love-jihad-bhupesh-baghel-2328547

Raipur: Slamming the Bharatiya Janata Party-led states, Chhattisgarh Chief Minister and senior Congress leader Bhupesh Baghel on Saturday asked whether inter-religion marriages of family members of BJP leaders will fall under the definition of ''love jihad''.
"Family members of several BJP leaders have also performed inter-religion marriages. I ask BJP leaders if these marriages come under the definition of ''love jihad''?" asked Mr Baghel while addressing media.

The statement comes after Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath had recently announced that his government will bring a strict law to curb "love jihad" and forcible religious conversion. Prior to this, Shivraj Singh Chouhan-led BJP government in Madhya Pradesh had said the state would soon have a law against ''love jihad''.
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Tricky developments could ensue.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
You did. I just wanted to take a jibe at the term love jihad which was invented by sikhs in the UK and has been hilariously adopted by BJP officials.
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Sikhs or Hindus can call it whatever they want, but the govt should not associate a crime with a particular community. Many bjp leaders have muslims as their son in laws and are publicly in good terms with them. Obviously they would not want these marriages to be treated as a crime. Interfaith marriage, even if the gender is skewed in favour of one community, is fine. Grooming and fraud to pressure someone to wedlock is not, and law should only target these cases.

Indians (mostly hindus) are like the frog in boiling water. Associating a crime with a particular community with terms like jihad, is been normalized by prime time media and mainstream politicians, and they don't see anything wrong with it.
 
India is a triumph of the imagination: innumerable cultures, languages, and worldviews, often at odds with one other, loosely bound by a constitution that frames equal rights and common values for an impossibly diverse population.

One of these values is secularism, which has been upheld as a central constitutional principle despite the chequered relationship between Hindus and Muslims – the two largest religious communities in India – historically tested by friction and violence.

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More recently, however, this principle has been challenged by an unprecedented rise of Islamophobia.

The rise of the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), which is rooted in a sociopolitical ideology that asserts that India is a Hindu country, has led to the marginalisation of Muslims through activism on the ground, propaganda online, and policymaking at the highest levels. The latest in a line of disenfranchising policy decisions is legislation criminalising so-called “love jihad”. This month, India’s largest state, Uttar Pradesh, ruled by the BJP, has passed an ordinance to this effect and four other states are likely to follow suit.

“Love jihad” is a term used by the political and religious right to describe an alleged phenomenon where Muslim men lure Hindu women, by hook or by crook, into marrying them and converting to Islam. Right-wing propagandists claim that this is an organised racket rooted in a widespread conspiracy.

However, successive probes have failed to find any evidence that such a conspiracy exists and the central government has admitted that the term has no credible definition. Moreover, not only are any actual offences that may be committed in this regard, such as forced conversion or marriage that is entered into under false pretences or coercion, already punishable under existing legislation but also the wide framing of the proposed legislation goes against India’s constitution and sound judicial precedent.


What then is the intent behind pushing for such legislation? One way to answer this question is to examine its premise and potential consequences.

Ideas of purity of blood are intrinsically linked to ideologies that seek to establish the supremacy of one imagined community over another. In the 1930s, aspersions over the citizenship of Jews and intermarriage between “Aryan” people and Jews were the foundation of the Nuremberg laws.

The proposed laws against “love jihad” should be, similarly, placed within the context of the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA), a piece of controversial legislation passed last year that enables the state to question the citizenship of Indian Muslims. While this legislation sought to other Muslims as “outsiders” to the country, the narrative of “love jihad” seeks to other them within Indian society.

The central premise of the proposed new legislation vilifies Muslim men in particular, and, by association, Muslims in general, as untrustworthy and malicious – entrenching suspicion in the psychology of the nation. It reduces them to their religious identity by implying that they are committed, foremost, to “religious warfare”, even when it comes to something as intimate as love. It also reduces them to second-class citizens who cannot take for granted the right to life and liberty guaranteed by the constitution.

Rule of law and access to justice in India are both cripplingly weak for its disenfranchised classes and communities. Muslims, who are also more likely to be poor, constitute a disproportionately high fraction of under-trials in India’s prisons.


Last year, the government passed a law criminalising instant divorce among Muslims. While withdrawing legal sanction of the regressive practice was a laudable step, serious concerns were voiced about the decision to criminalise it. The anxiety was the same as it is with the impending legislation on “love jihad” – that the law can be misused to incarcerate members of the community under false pretexts.

The Frankenstein monster of “love jihad” has already taken on a life of its own. Fake rumours and videos have been circulated on social media alleging that women are being targeted by Muslim men, leading to riots and lynching. The chief minister of Uttar Pradesh, Adityanath, while announcing that he intends to enact a law against “love jihad”, also declared that Muslim men guilty of the crime ought to be killed.

Casting the Muslim man as the potential enemy furthers not only an ideological agenda but also a political one. The creation of a common enemy helps to consolidate a Hindu vote bank, bringing together voters on a highly emotive issue and encouraging them to vote along religious identity lines rather than other concerns, giving the BJP an edge over other parties during state and national elections.

The added consequence of this legislation, designed to push a political and ideological agenda, will be the further entrenchment of patriarchal norms. In large parts of India, women still struggle for basic freedoms with little say in matters concerning their education, work, finances, and marriage.

If a woman dares to defy her family and community in order to assert her right to choose her own partner, she could be faced with threats, violence and, at times, even death. Commonly, families of women who elope press charges against the couple in order to deploy state machinery to break them up or make an example of them. “Love jihad” laws are bound to be weaponised in this context, but there is also something even more insidious about them.

The idea of “love jihad” is rooted in the mindset that women are chattel and a family’s honour hinges on safeguarding them against marauders. In the aforementioned speech, Adityanath used the words “the honour of our daughters and sisters” referring to what he believes is at stake.

The insistence that there is a conspiracy also insinuates that women are gullible and therefore lack the agency to make sound decisions with respect to their own lives. In the recent past, “love jihad” has been used as an excuse to restrict women from using mobile phones and to encourage vigilantes who take to moral policing and harassment of couples. The idea also further endangers women’s right to privacy by creating a mechanism to question and probe their consent to marry and convert.

Every society struggles with dark instincts. By writing a lie into law, the BJP is appealing to these very instincts that can tear through the fragile constitutional bond that has held India together as a democracy, despite the odds, and further put in danger the lives of India’s Muslims and women.

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2020/11/30/what-is-behind-indias-love-jihad-legislation/
 
Bhopal: A Muslim man has been arrested in Madhya Pradesh after his wife alleged that he and his family were torturing her, demanding that she adapt his culture and learn Urdu and Arabic languages. The arrest was made under the provisions of the MP Dharma Swatantraya Act 1968. BJP-ruled Madhya Pradesh is among the states that are bringing in a law against "love jihad" -- a right-wing coinage targeting relationships between Muslim men and Hindu women, which, they say, is a ruse to forcibly convert the women.

The woman, born into a Hindu family, had run off from home and married Irshad Khan in 2018 by Islamic rituals. On Saturday, she returned to her parents.

"I was being regularly tortured by him (Irshad) to force me to adapt his culture and also learn Urdu and Arabic language. Unable to bear the torture, I've returned to my parents' house and will not return to him. I made a big mistake in leaving my house two years back and marrying him," the woman said.

Bharat Dubey, a senior police officer of the area, said the man came to the police, alleging that his wife has been kept forcibly confined by her parents.

"Later, the woman and her parents came to the police and complained that she will not stay with Irshad Khan as he used to torture him," he said. "On her complaint, a case has been registered against Irshad Khan. He has been accused under IPC sections that deal with cruelty to a married woman by her husband and in-laws and sections of MP Dharma Swatantraya Act 1968 and he has been arrested," the officer added.

The registration of the case under the existing Religious Freedom law assumes significance in view of the Shivraj Singh Chouhan government's preparations to introduce the MP Dharma Swatantraya Bill 2020 in the next session of the assembly – expected to be held towards the year-end.

In Bhopal, a young woman sought help from Home Minister Narottam Mishra on Friday, alleging that her husband was a Muslim who married her under a fake identity. Now he and his family were torturing her, demanding that she convert, he said.

Irshad Wali, the police chief of state capital Bhopal, said, "The police has registered a case under Section 376 of the IPC on basis of the statements made by the victim. The accused is absconding."

A few days ago, a local journalist, Maksood Khan, was arrested and sent to jail in Gadarwara, after complaint from a woman that he not only sexually harassed her, but also forced her to offer namaz and learn Islamic rituals. He also hid the fact that he is married and has a child.

The draft bill for "love jihad" -- officially the Dharma Swatantrata Bill 2020 -- provides for a 10-year jail term for people marrying with the aim of religious conversion. The religious clerics solemnizing such a marriage would have to face five years in jail. Misleading a woman with fake identity is also punishable under the proposed law.

Bhopal MP Pragya Singh Thakur demanded that "love jihad" cases be punished with life imprisonment or capital punishment. She also alleged that love jihad was being carried out using organised funding.
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Anyone from BIMARU who knows and can share what the on-ground reality is? [MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION]?

Source: https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/mus...n-madhya-pradesh-2332260?pfrom=home-topscroll
 
Love Jihad is nothing but a cooked-up conspiracy theory by jealous uncles who aint getting any action. Its the sub-continental norm to convert the wife to husband’s religion and I know Hindus and Xtians who converted their Muslim wives to their respective religions.
If you ask me, its a shame that even in 2020, we have this crappy arranged-marriage system which gives no choice to women and pins them down to the houses. We need to allow our women to date and marry whoever they want regardless of religion and caste.
 
BreadPakoda said:
Anyone from BIMARU who knows and can share what the on-ground reality is? [MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION]?

Source: https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/mus...n-madhya-pradesh-2332260?pfrom=home-topscroll
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You can search the internet and op ed columns with fancy language, but till there is data, it has no meaning. The data is not in public domain. There is a private group of police officers (you are vetted very carefully and some people have to recommend you before you become a member) where this topic was debated. I would suggest you reach out if you know a top police officer for the details, as I don't want to share the information here.
 
India’s Leading Documentary Filmmaker Has a Warning

In Jaipur one afternoon last fall, the filmmaker Anand Patwardhan sat in a booth outside an auditorium, waiting to screen his latest documentary, “Reason.” These showings, Patwardhan had written to me earlier, were “semi-clandestine” — partly out of a fear of right-wing vigilante groups and partly because, even now, two years after premiering at the Toronto International Film Festival, “Reason” remains officially unreleased in India. Patwardhan had yet to submit the film to the Central Board of Film Certification, a federal body that routinely demands cuts to Indian movies before awarding them a rating, which is why it is commonly known as the Censor Board. Now Patwardhan sat selling DVDs of his previous films for 200 rupees, less than $3 apiece, besieged by fans asking for selfies at the booth. “I want my films to be seen,” he said. “Money is the least of my worries.”

Over four hours, “Reason” documents how the world’s largest democracy has plunged into a majoritarian abyss since the Bharatiya Janata Party, or B.J.P., came to power in 2014, and Narendra Modi was voted in as the prime minister. With testimonies from witnesses to mob lynchings, stories of college students driven to suicide by intense right-wing ostracism and interviews with Hindu nationalists willing to defend the frequent murders of journalists and activists, Patwardhan contradicts the narrative that the B.J.P. routinely projects to the country’s 900 million voters: a story where, under Modi, India is at last starting to fulfill its potential, more than 70 years after independence. A week before the parliamentary elections last year, 16 clips from “Reason” were anonymously posted on YouTube. Watching them I grew afraid, not just for the fate of the film at the hands of the Censor Board but also for Patwardhan.

In one scene, a lawyer representing the Sanatan Sanstha — a Hindu extremist organization linked to four assassinations in the last seven years — openly threatens Patwardhan at a news conference. The lawyer is angry with Patwardhan for attending a protest rally in Mumbai following one of the assassinations. “Why didn’t the police break Patwardhan’s bones?” he asks. The next moment we see a man in a black tunic, filming the scene in the same room, raising up his hands to talk. “I am right here,” Patwardhan says. “If you want to do something you can.” The viewer is left wondering if Patwardhan is next in line to be killed.

“In many ways, this is worse than the Emergency,” Patwardhan told me. He was referring to the 21 months from 1975 to 1977 when Indira Gandhi, then the prime minister, had suspended civil liberties after a court invalidated her re-election, citing corruption. “Things were clearer then. People were put in jails, newspapers were censored. We could resist that. But now our minds have been infiltrated. There is no need for any coercion. We have been conditioned into a false sense of normalcy. Most of us don’t know how bad things are.”

A month after Modi was re-elected, in June last year, the Indian government denied Patwardhan permission to screen “Reason” at a film festival in the south Indian state Kerala. In August, six college students were reportedly arrested in Hyderabad for organizing a screening of another Patwardhan documentary, “In the Name of God.” Across the country, screenings of “In the Name of God” were planned in solidarity against the arrests. In Delhi, members affiliated with the student wing of the B.J.P. tried to disrupt a classroom screening at Ambedkar University. “A group of men barged into the room,” one of the students who had organized the screening, Sruti M.D., told me. “They turned on the lights, shouted slogans and kept saying that the film offended their Hindu sentiments. Somehow the guards made them leave. But they continued kicking the doors of the classroom outside after the screening resumed. It was scary. They cut off the power to our room. We had no choice but to watch the film in the end on a laptop with Bluetooth speakers.”

This is not an unfamiliar battle for Patwardhan. For more than four decades, he has been India’s leading documentary filmmaker, tracking the country’s unraveling from its pluralist post-Partition ideals to a Hindu hegemony. His films have portrayed Mumbai’s slum dwellers, the cruelty of the caste system, the arms race between India and Pakistan, but they remain unseen in large parts of the country because of their inconvenient themes. With almost every documentary he has made, Patwardhan has had to approach a court to ensure it is shown without restrictions. His films have won publicly funded awards at the same time as efforts have been made to limit their viewership. They reflect, both in their reception and content, the schizophrenic nature of Indian democracy.

The screening in Jaipur was to take place at the end of a leftist writers’ conference. Patwardhan passed me a copy of the conference schedule: “Reason” was not on the list. But it was unofficially understood that at 5 p.m., the documentary would be screened after tea. Five became 6, then 6:30, then 7, and writers were still going on about the grimness of the situation in the country. Barely a month earlier, the Muslim-majority state Jammu and Kashmir was placed under indefinite lockdown and its special status under the Indian federation, which had afforded it a degree of autonomy, was revoked. Local politicians were arrested; phones and internet lines were still cut off; there were reports of thousands of civilians being detained. Meanwhile, in Assam, another border state, nearly two million residents had been stripped of their citizenship in an effort to identify undocumented migrants. There seemed just too much to discuss.

Sometime after the screening began, the sound system broke down. The audience, until then attentive, quickly exited. When the film resumed after 20 minutes, no more than 10 or 12 people were still in their seats.

“The breakdown was deliberate, you know,” Patwardhan told me later that night, over dinner. For a moment I was reminded of the disrupted screening at Ambedkar University, of men banging doors and cutting off the power in protest. But a country’s slide into intolerance is rarely so dramatic: Norms don’t always collapse overnight; they corrode against the background of everyday life. “No, I meant the sound technicians,” Patwardhan continued, as if reading my thoughts. “I think they forced the interruption. It has been a long day — they probably wanted to go home.”

At 70, Patwardhan is nearly the same age as independent India, and his appearance — long hair, youthful face, leather strap sandals, loose homespun cotton tunics — is at once haphazard and hopeful, not unlike the promise of a new republic. India’s promise was embodied by three founding fathers: Gandhi, with his message of nonviolence, his deep distrust of Western civilization and his distress in his last year, after witnessing the bloodshed of the Partition; Jawaharlal Nehru, India’s first prime minister, a liberal who called dams and power plants the “temples of modern India” and saw industrialization as the best way forward; and Bhimrao Ambedkar, who was born a Dalit — the former “untouchables” who occupy the lowest rungs of the caste system — and rose to become one of the main authors of the country’s constitution, embracing Buddhism in protest against Hindu society’s inherent disparities. Despite their different priorities, the three shared a vision of India that preserved its historic heterogeneity, where secularism meant not an absence of religion from the public sphere but a benign, if sometimes mushy, affinity for all faiths.

Patwardhan grew up a beneficiary of that promise. His father worked in publishing; his mother was a renowned artist and potter. His uncles — one a Gandhian, another a socialist — were frequently in prison during British rule. His aunt had escaped from jail into Nepal and briefly undergone weapons training. According to Patwardhan, Ambedkar had even stayed for a while in their family house. Still, Patwardhan doesn’t recall his early years with enthusiasm. “I was a spoilt child,” he told me, “very frivolous, very privileged.”

Though India’s freedom struggle loomed large in his family life, growing up Patwardhan was oblivious to politics. He studied English literature at Elphinstone College in Mumbai, where he remembers not participating in anything: “I bunked too many classes, spent too much time in the college canteen,” he said. But in 1970, a scholarship to attend Brandeis University in Waltham, Mass., transformed him overnight into an activist. “Suddenly I was attending Black Panther rallies, going to jail for anti-Vietnam demonstrations,” he said. Angela Davis and Abbie Hoffman had both graduated not too long before. Patwardhan recalls that two students were wanted by the F.B.I. during his time there. Sundar Burra, a close friend of Patwardhan’s at Brandeis, remembers the insurgent mood on campus. “We had a joke about a certain professor,” Burra told me, “that your grades in his course depended on the number of times you’d been to jail with him.”

After graduation, Patwardhan overstayed his visa to volunteer for the labor organizer Cesar Chavez in California. He returned to India and worked for two years with a nonprofit in a remote village. In 1974, he was asked to film a protest march led by students and farmers against the corrupt Indira Gandhi government. He borrowed two cameras, bought some outdated film stock, recruited a friend as a cameraman and set off for Bihar, still one of India’s poorest states, where the protesters had planned a huge rally.

Just after he had transformed the footage of the protests into “Waves of Revolution,” his debut, Indira Gandhi declared the Emergency. Patwardhan cut the film print into two or three pieces, smuggled them abroad with different friends and then secured a fellowship to McGill University in Montreal for a master’s degree, where he managed to reassemble the film. Away from the country during a period of authoritarian repression, he traveled across North America and Europe, showing the film to universities and film clubs, raising awareness about the collapse of democracy back home.

At underground screenings of the film in India, audience members had to be individually vouched for. If discovered, Patwardhan wrote later, “at best ... the film would have been confiscated and at worst, jail for all those present.” Most documentaries in India were then produced and distributed by the government, Soviet-style, so the idea of a director going around screening his anti-establishment offering was at once both risky and appealing. Sanjay Kak, a fellow filmmaker, remembers attending a screening of a Patwardhan documentary 40 years ago. “Anand arrived with a 16-millimeter movie projector,” Kak told me, “and a stack of newspapers to cover up the windows of the screening room. I thought, Who is this man traveling with a projector to show his own film?

In India, the Modi years are often spoken of as an “undeclared Emergency.” But something more enduring, a fundamental reimagining of the nation as a homeland for Hindus, appears to be afoot. The country’s roughly 200 million Muslims are, in this narrative, seen first as suspects, then citizens. They are accused of killing cows for meat — many Hindus consider the cow sacred — and cornered in public places to prove their patriotism. Muslim men are beaten up over Facebook posts and blamed for everything from the country’s “overpopulation” to luring away Hindu women through marriage. Many cities and landmarks that reflect India’s Muslim heritage have been renamed. Some school textbooks now glorify Hindu myths and paint the subcontinent’s Muslim rulers in a barbaric light. Incendiary WhatsApp rumors mislead the country’s overwhelming Hindu majority into viewing themselves as somehow under siege. Hate crimes against Muslims as well as other minorities have gone unprosecuted for years. Dissenting artists and academics are told to “go to Pakistan” if they don’t like the way things are.

The rise of the B.J.P. and the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, or R.S.S. — a militant organization devoted to making India a Hindu state and its minorities second-class citizens — has also been accompanied by mounting attacks on freedom of expression. Publishers have been pressured to withdraw books critical of Hindu figures. Reporters have been harassed, silenced with spurious criminal cases and in some instances killed. Policemen have gone on rampages inside university campuses. More than 50 writers and filmmakers, including Patwardhan, have returned their state awards in protest. A few weeks ago, the government passed an order to regulate online news and streaming content, stoking fears of more censorship.

“Reason” tries to cover every aspect of this traumatic transition, the wanton displays of coercion and cruelty that increasingly characterize what Modi’s supporters gleefully call the “New India.” The larger story Patwardhan tells in the film is of a revival of the psychosis of Partition, when the subcontinent was divided by the British into India and Pakistan along explicitly religious lines. More than one million people died in the resulting violence, and, according to some estimates, more than 15 million were displaced. Democracy in India was never quite robust — Ambedkar thought the Indian soil was “essentially undemocratic” — but never before have all its organs seemed so fragile. The liberal opposition is weak, undecided and of two minds about being perceived as hostile to the B.J.P.’s bellicose nationalism. Newspapers, bound to the government for advertising revenue, have suppressed stories critical of Modi and the B.J.P. Skeptical news anchors have been arbitrarily pulled off the air. TV networks that refuse to toe the line have been investigated for laundering money from abroad. Bank accounts of human rights organizations have been frozen. Citizens have been jailed for lampooning Modi online. Activists are routinely scorned as traitors. Policemen have falsely implicated victims of right-wing violence. Bollywood celebrities tend to stay silent, fearing censorship and reprisals before a big release. Any decision that the government takes is spun overnight on television and social media as an expression of the popular will, the logic being that Modi won the parliamentary elections, not once but twice.

“Reason” is structured around the murders of four Indian activists, all of whom appear to have been targeted for their resistance to Hindu orthodoxy in some way. Narendra Dabholkar, a former physician, campaigned against regressive Hindu superstitions in villages; Gauri Lankesh, a journalist, was a vocal critic of the B.J.P.; M.M. Kalburgi was a scholar who had spoken out against the practice of worshiping Hindu idols. All three were shot point-blank with the same caliber pistol; the shooters, in all three cases, were men who were seen escaping on motorcycles. But the heart of “Reason” is Govind Pansare, a lawyer and communist intellectual, who was assassinated early one morning in February 2015.

Pansare had been active in progressive movements against caste and other discriminatory Hindu practices in the western state Maharashtra. Patwardhan first met Pansare in Mumbai, when he stopped the police from disrupting the screening of a documentary on Kashmir. “The next time I heard about him,” he told me, “was after his death.” The brazenness with which Pansare was murdered — he and his wife were shot outside their home, again by men on a motorcycle — had convinced Patwardhan to start working on “Reason”: “I knew right away I had to make a film.”

The day after the screening in Jaipur, Patwardhan was in New Delhi. He was showing a longer cut of “Reason” on the campus of South Asian University. Seated among the professors and students in the audience that afternoon was Mohammad Sartaj, a technician in the Indian Air Force who is also interviewed in “Reason.” Five years ago, Sartaj’s father, Mohammad Akhlaq, was lynched by a mob outside his home in a village in Northern India on suspicion of eating beef. From 2015 to 2018, a Human Rights Watch report estimates that vigilante cow-protection groups killed more than 40 people across the country, most of them Muslims, often with tacit support from policemen and Hindu nationalist leaders. One of the men accused of Akhlaq’s murder is the son of a B.J.P. member; another was given a public funeral after he died in detention. His coffin was draped in the Indian flag.

Not far away from South Asian University is Birla House, the mansion outside which Gandhi was assassinated in 1948 by Nathuram Godse, a Hindu Brahmin who claimed that Gandhi had sided with Muslims “at the expense of the Hindus.” In “Reason” Patwardhan connects the conspiracy to kill Gandhi with the recent murders of Akhlaq, Pansare and many others, inspired as they all were by the same ideology. Patwardhan knows that many Hindu nationalists still condone Gandhi’s murder. Godse had once been a member of the R.S.S. — his family maintains that he never quit — and many members of the B.J.P., including Modi, began their careers as R.S.S. volunteers.

When it comes to Gandhi, the party has traditionally opted for a strategic doublespeak. In 2003, under a B.J.P. government, a portrait of V.D. Savarkar, a Hindu nationalist who was charged as a co-conspirator in Gandhi’s murder but not convicted, was unveiled in a hall of the Indian Parliament. In the midst of the 2019 elections, one B.J.P. candidate asserted that Godse was a “patriot.” But Gandhi’s international stature is too immense for the party to clearly state its views. In October 2019, on the occasion of the 150th anniversary of Gandhi’s birth, The New York Times published an Op-Ed by Modi with the headline “Why India and the World Need Gandhi.” Reading it, I remembered a question Patwardhan repeatedly asks right-wing activists in “Reason”: “Tell me, who killed Gandhi?”

As far as I could find out, Patwardhan has never married or had children. He guards his privacy fiercely. When I asked Patwardhan once about his personal life, he told me about a filmmaker who had made a documentary about him some years ago: “I told him anything inside my house is out of bounds.” I got the message.

Simantini Dhuru, a filmmaker and education activist who has worked with Patwardhan for more than 30 years, told me that his friends and colleagues frequently worry for his safety. “Because Anand is now better known,” she said, “it is easy for him to be identified by those who won’t shy away from violence.” Dhuru had been present at that news conference in “Reason” where a lawyer representing the Sanatan Sanstha had suggested the police should break Patwardhan’s bones. “Those guys recognized Anand and noticed him in the room,” she said. “That remark was made precisely because Anand was there. It is scary in the long run to think that they know him and have marked him out for what he does.”

Patwardhan himself didn’t seem too worried. He became nervous, in my time with him, only when we talked about finding a bigger audience for “Reason.” In between the screenings last year, he went back and forth on a decision to submit it to the Censor Board. I, too, wondered about his chances of getting a certificate. His odds didn’t seem great. Prasoon Joshi, the current chief of the Censor Board, had worked in the publicity blitzkrieg that first brought Modi to power in 2014. More than 300 films were banned in India from 2014 to 2016. Then again, Patwardhan had always seen this stamp of approval as a “suit of armor.” “Once I get a certificate,” he said, “it turns every attempt to prevent screenings of my film unlawful. Think of the students showing ‘In the Name of God’ around the country — legally the certificate puts them on the right side.”

Patwardhan has faced censorship in India from the beginning of his career. “Prisoners of Conscience,” a documentary he made just after the Emergency, was cleared for release only once the celebrated director Satyajit Ray wrote a letter to the Censor Board. “In the Name of God” was held up, apparently, to preserve law and order. For another film, “Father, Son and Holy War,” which is split into two parts, the Censor Board issued each half a different rating. For “War and Peace,” an overview of the nuclear tests in India and Pakistan, Patwardhan was initially asked to make 21 cuts.

Procuring a certificate is just one hurdle: In a country where documentaries seldom enjoy theatrical runs and cable channels opt to screen popular Bollywood films, he has had to sue India’s public broadcaster, Doordarshan, to show most of his films. One case stretched on for 10 years. Patwardhan can become obsessive while recounting his legal difficulties, as though not wanting to forget what he has lived through. “You have to be a filmmaker,” he has said in many interviews, “and then you have to be a lawyer as well.”

Frustrated by the certification process, many Indian documentary filmmakers give up on their dreams of a sizable audience. Patwardhan has persevered, I suspect, for the same reason that he sells DVDs of his films for less than the price of a paperback: a belief in the political efficacy of documentary making. And yet, in their encyclopedic ambition, Patwardhan’s films frequently transcend their political purpose and now seem like alternative histories of their time. Together, they map a trajectory of India from the Emergency to Modi: from the gradual undoing of the country’s pacifist principles, its uncertain turn toward strife and resentment, to its legacy of untold suffering as well as resistance. In “Waves of Revolution,” Hindu Brahmins tear up their holy caste threads at a protest rally, as if to break free of centuries of exploitative hierarchies. A Muslim widow in “Father, Son and Holy War” cannot come to terms with her Hindu neighbors’ refusal to shelter her and her husband during a riot. In “Bombay Our City,” perhaps one of the best documentaries ever made on a city, a homeless woman forbids Patwardhan from interviewing her. “You will record our voices on tape, but can you do anything for us?” she asks him.

“Can you do anything for us?”: This is a question that animates Patwardhan, for he sees his films as just one aspect of his lasting involvement with their subjects. When “Bombay Our City” won a national award in India, he sent a homeless woman to receive the prize. “Slums were being demolished in Bombay when I heard that my film had won an award,” Patwardhan told me. “So I pretended to be sick and sent her to tell everyone what was going on.” Later, he went on a hunger strike demanding that the residents of another razed slum be rehoused.

Patwardhan lives in a rent-controlled apartment in Mumbai, a city that bears the stain of Hindu nationalism in its name. When the Shiv Sena, a nativist party, was elected to power in the region in 1995, in alliance with the B.J.P., one of its first steps was to rename the colonial city. Just three years earlier, in 1992, Hindu-Muslim riots broke out all over India, and the Sena was later indicted on a charge of spearheading the killings of hundreds of Muslims in Bombay, as it was then known. Patwardhan told me a story to illustrate the extent of hysteria in the city around that time. Many Hindu residents were apparently so convinced that Muslims from abroad were planning to overrun Indian shores that they would stay up all night guarding the city’s beaches.

Patwardhan’s apartment is not far from a beach and doubles as his office. “All my films are made like home videos,” Patwardhan told me, sitting in his living room. “I produce, direct, edit, do most of my own camerawork.” The Shiv Sena’s headquarters are not far, nor is the sprawling Shivaji Park, where, until recently, the Sena’s leaders delivered televised tirades every fall against Muslims and other minorities. (Many of these speeches are recorded in Patwardhan’s films.) Over 10 days every summer, many pilgrims crowd the adjacent seafront to immerse effigies of the Hindu god Ganesh. Local environmentalists have long campaigned against this practice because it takes years for the plaster statues to dissolve. “Reason” contains a video, made by the Sanatan Sanstha — the organization linked to the assassination of Govind Pansare and other activists — directing Hindus to ignore the environmentalists’ pleas and sink their Ganesh idols “only in flowing water.”

Patwardhan seemed unfazed about living in the neighborhood. When I asked if Pansare’s murder had made him more cautious, he deflected my question. “You have to understand all this frenzy has been whipped up,” he said. “Things weren’t always like this. It is only in the mid-’80s that Hindutva” — the aggressive brand of Hinduism promoted by the R.S.S. and the B.J.P. — “became resurgent.” Until the Emergency, the R.S.S. stood more or less discredited in India because of its perceived involvement in Gandhi’s death. But the discontent against Indira Gandhi’s misrule helped to revive its image. The B.J.P., formed in 1980, went from winning just two seats in the 1984 parliamentary elections, to 85 in 1989. Since 1996, it has consistently been one of the two largest parties in the Indian Parliament.

The proliferation of right-wing ideas in India didn’t quite happen in a vacuum. Successive centrist governments had reversed decades of quasi-socialist economic policies, opening up a vast gulf between the rich and the poor. And as India’s economy grew in the 2000s, secularism came to be perceived as another failure of the left. “Jai Bhim Comrade,” a film Patwardhan shot over 14 years, begins with the suicide of Vilas Ghogre, a singer, a Communist and a friend of Patwardhan’s, who in his last moments had felt it necessary to reclaim himself as a Dalit. The need to understand the death of a friend becomes, in Patwardhan’s hands, a deep dive into the country’s original sin — caste — and the ways in which a culture of upper-caste dominance, coupled with the limitations of representative democracy, has only worsened the inhumane divide after independence. A sanitation worker in Mumbai tells Patwardhan that he is forced to ferry basketfuls of human waste regularly on his head. His employers won’t buy him any protective equipment; he makes less than two dollars a day. The B.J.P. has successfully co-opted many Dalit leaders and representatives over the years, while also fueling atrocities against the community. More and more Dalits, disillusioned by the absence of credible alternatives, have voted for B.J.P. candidates. In a prescient moment in “Jai Bhim Comrade,” we see Modi, then the chief minister of the state of Gujarat, stepping onto a stage dressed as a Hindu god. “Speak for us Hindus,” his supporters chant, “and you’ll rule over the whole country.”

The demolition of the Babri mosque marked a decisive turn in the rise of Hindutva in India. The presence of a medieval-era Mughal dome in the temple town of Ayodhya — considered the birthplace of the Hindu god Ram — was indicative of the subcontinent’s syncretic history and was no doubt for that reason an affront to Hindu nationalists. The mosque had been under litigation since 1949, when images of Ram were covertly placed inside. For years, the R.S.S. claimed that the Mughal emperor Babur had built the mosque by destroying a Hindu temple on the site. In the 1980s, Hindu hard-liners began insisting that a temple had to be built on the plot of land where the mosque stood. Soon, L.K. Advani, then the leader of the B.J.P., was traveling across the country, accusing the government of “appeasing Muslims” and asking Hindus to mobilize around the mosque. What was essentially a property dispute reopened the wound of Partition and became a fault line running through the republic. On the morning of Dec. 6, 1992, Hindu mobs razed the monument. More than 2,000 people were killed in the violence before and after the storming of the mosque.

“In the Name of God” records much of that grisly story. The film ends just before the mosque is brought down, moments after a Hindutva activist tells Patwardhan that Godse was “absolutely right” to kill Gandhi. The week that I was in Mumbai, in November last year, the mood in the country was tense: India’s Supreme Court was to finally announce its verdict on the disputed ownership of the site of the mosque. One morning I dropped into Patwardhan’s apartment and found a video crew from a news website interviewing him about the dispute. A celebrity stand-up comedian had posted “In the Name of God” on his YouTube channel, and suddenly Patwardhan was in demand for a film released nearly three decades ago.

The verdict was announced on Nov. 9, a Saturday. The court ruled that a Hindu temple was to be built on the site, while recognizing the destruction of the mosque itself as a criminal act. Modi made a few conciliatory gestures on Twitter. But lawyers outside the Supreme Court campus in New Delhi celebrated with cries of “Hail Lord Ram!” In Mumbai, fireworks went off all night in a Hindu neighborhood near my hotel.

The next morning when I met Patwardhan, he looked crestfallen. “First of all, this is not a victory for Hindus,” he said. “There are many secular Hindus like me who never wanted the mosque to be destroyed or a temple to be built. For us, it’s a disaster.” I asked him if the judgment had made him reconsider his plans to release “Reason” in India. If the Censor Board refused to certify the documentary, was he confident that the courts would again come through for him? “I have to weigh my options,” Patwardhan said. But in an op-ed he wrote for an Indian newspaper several weeks later, he seemed to have made up his mind. “On Nov. 9, 2019,” he wrote, “those who had demolished our national monument, effectively causing the deaths of thousands across the subcontinent, were legally granted the very objective of their crime. Secular democracy was finally laid to rest.”

For a brief moment, Patwardhan’s fears turned out to be premature: Around the new year, millions across the country protested a new citizenship law widely seen as discriminatory against Muslim refugees. In scenes straight out of a Patwardhan film, women camped out on streets day and night in the cold. College students held up portraits of Gandhi and Ambedkar to policemen. In city after city, Indians gathered to chant the preamble to the country’s Constitution.

But then came 2020, with more horrors. In February, on the eve of President Donald Trump’s visit to India, sectarian violence on the streets of New Delhi left more than 50 people dead, most of them Muslims. In March, in response to the pandemic, Modi declared a nationwide lockdown, so far the world’s biggest — and arguably the harshest — with less than four hours’ notice. People were beaten up by the police for so much as stepping outdoors. All but essential travel was banned. Millions of migrant workers, stuck without wages, food and shelter for weeks in cities, were forced to trek home to villages hundreds of miles away in the heat. Journalists reporting on the situation were intimidated or arrested. After an outbreak at an Islamic conference in New Delhi, Muslims were accused of carrying out “corona jihad” and spreading the virus across the country. Posters prohibiting Muslims from entering appeared overnight in some neighborhoods. There were reports of hospitals discriminating against Muslim patients.

I watched Patwardhan’s films again in self-isolation: They seemed to be now documenting not the past but intimations of the present. The country had changed too much since I first met Patwardhan in Jaipur. Scenes that I had safely relegated to history books just months ago now seemed like timely portents. The man who praises Gandhi’s assassin at the end of “In the Name of God”: Didn’t he stand vindicated by the Babri mosque verdict? The grieving Muslim widow in “Father, Son and Holy War”: Would she now be treated unfairly in a hospital? The homeless woman in “Bombay: Our City”: What was she doing to survive in Mumbai’s deserted streets? The Dalit sanitation worker in “Jai Bhim Comrade”: Was he walking home to his village, hungry and hopeless, at this moment?

The last time I talked to Patwardhan, he was reluctantly quarantined inside his Mumbai apartment. It was June. The lockdown had failed: India had surpassed Britain, Italy and Spain in the tally of cases to become one of the worst-affected countries. Every morning there were reports of overcrowded hospitals and desperate migrant workers starving on the roads. “I feel so helpless watching all this on TV,” Patwardhan told me. “I should have been out there recording these scenes, but I’m not able to do that.”

The protests against the citizenship law had been a galvanizing moment for Patwardhan. Indians from all walks of life, as he saw it, had briefly come together to assert their idea of an inclusive nation. “I remember feeling extremely hopeful,” he told me. “For the first time in many years, I thought, I can retire as an activist, because younger generations were doing amazing work.” But while the country was largely distracted by the pandemic, the Indian police arrested many students and activists involved in the protests. Courts stopped functioning at full capacity during the lockdown, which meant that bail and acquittals were practically out of the question. “To put them in crowded prisons at this time,” Patwardhan fumed, “especially when the virus is spreading everywhere?”

In August, Modi laid down the foundation stone for a new temple to be built at the site of the Babri mosque. Flanked by priests in saffron robes, he performed Hindu rituals and declared the date to be just as important as the day of India’s independence. Weeks later, a special court acquitted 32 people, including L.K. Advani, of crimes relating to their involvement in the demolition of the mosque. After 28 years, the court ruled that the razing was not “preplanned”: There wasn’t enough evidence of a conspiracy.

Patwardhan told me last year that it was becoming difficult to distinguish between Hindutva and Hinduism. “The line will keep getting blurred,” he warned, “as long as Hindu nationalists stay in power.” When we talked on the phone in June, I wondered if he felt a similar foreboding about the country as well, that someday it might be difficult to recall that India had once been a diverse republic. “I am making that argument in ‘Reason,’” he said. “This is why we need documentaries. At least they help keep some memories alive.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/01/magazine/india-documentary-anand-patwardhan.html
 
Karnataka Govt To Bring In Law To Curb Love Jihad In Next Assembly Session, Says CM B S Yediyurapa

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In line with the Chief Minister (CM) Yogi Adityanath led Uttar Pradesh (UP) Government, Karnataka shall also soon have a law to crack down on 'Love-Jihad' as CM ** Yediyurappa said yesterday (7 December) that his Government will bring in a law in the next Assembly Session, reports Economic Times.

UP had meanwhile taken an ordinance route to bring in a law against Love Jihad. The UP Prohibition of Unlawful Conversion of Religion Ordinance 2020 received the Governor Anandiben Patel's nod recently and has now come into full force.

It should also be noted that Madhya Pradesh (MP) CM Shivraj Singh Chouhan has also recently proposed to bring in laws to curb "forces religious conversions". He had recently also pressed that a massive cycle of religious conversions is going on in the country under the guise of love.

Several Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) Governments in the nation have jumped into action to curb the issues relating to Love Jihad since the broad day-light murder of a 21-years-old college student, who was shot point-blank outside her college by Muslim youth and his friend in Haryana's Ballabhgarh in bygone October.

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/karna...-next-assembly-session-says-cm-**-yediyurappa

The UP model of Yogi being implemented in other states. It seems whole India going fascist in hatred of Muslims.
 
It's not just Karnataka, looks like Indians have rushed to enforce these new laws across the country. Even being reported in today's Times UK.

Indian police halt weddings as ‘love jihad’ fears spread


Police have raided a wedding ceremony and detained several Muslim men involved in interfaith relationships in a wave of arrests in northern India, under a new law intended to stamp out the supposed practice of “love jihad”.

Officers swooped on a wedding in Lucknow moments before the ceremony was due to begin after claims by a Hindu nationalist youth group that the groom would force his Hindu bride to convert to Islam. Their wedding day in ruins, the couple were ordered to seek clearance from a magistrate before the marriage could go ahead.

Love jihad is a conspiracy theory that has gained currency in Indian nationalist circles that posits a plan for Muslim men to marry Hindu women and convert them to Islam. The law, promoted by the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) of Narendra Modi, the prime minister, raises further doubts about religious freedom in India.

The raid on the Lucknow wedding was one of several carried out by police under the new law in the state of Uttar Pradesh. Video of a similar incident in Aligarh, 250 miles to the west, showed a distraught couple being dragged away from court, where they had sought permission for their wedding. The young woman pleaded with officers as her fiancé was taken into custody, while he accused police of assaulting them.

“I am not a child. Please don’t separate me. He is my life,” she wept as a policewoman held her arms and her boyfriend was bundled away by four officers.

The legislation in Uttar Pradesh, the most populous state, was introduced last week and imposes jail terms of up to ten years for anyone convicted of using marriage to force their spouse to change faith. Interfaith couples must now give two months’ notice to a magistrate before getting married, and will only be permitted to do so if officials find no objections. At least four more BJP-held states — Madhya Pradesh, Haryana, Karnataka and Assam — have confirmed they will soon bring in similar legislation.

The law does not mention any specific religion but has been denounced by critics as a flimsy pretext for a campaign against Muslims that remains an obsession among Hindu extremists who have promoted the love jihad theory, and whipped up fears of a Muslim plot to erode India’s 80 per cent Hindu majority. There are even claims that Islamists plan to restore the Mogul empire.

The Koran does not require women to convert on marriage and interfaith marriage in India is rare, accounting for 2 per cent of weddings in a 2013 survey.

However, the BJP’s frenzied rhetoric has seeped into local communities, cleaving them along religious lines. Police in Uttar Pradesh said ten Muslims had been arrested after complaints by parents who claimed their daughters had been abducted. Local officials insist the new law will protect vulnerable young women but critics believe it will also increase the suppression of women’s rights.

As if to prove their point, the distraught young woman videoed outside the court in Aligarh later reappeared, issuing a statement denouncing her lover for pretending to be Hindu and then abducting her. “I got to know him through Facebook. We talked for a long time and he introduced himself as a Hindu,” she said. “I started talking to him thinking he is Hindu but later I found out he is a Muslim. He brought me from Chandigarh on a bike and kept me at his sister’s place.”

By contrast, the couple whose wedding was halted by police in Lucknow spoke out to defend their relationship, supported by the bride’s family. “There is no question of conversion,” the groom told the Indian Express. “If two of us love each other, we can accept each other for who we are. I accept her religion and identity, and she agreed to do the same. I asked for her hand from her mother a year ago. I would not marry her if her family didn’t agree.”

Few others are as courageous: The Times contacted many interfaith couples in Uttar Pradesh but they declined to talk, out of fear. Some are in hiding.

Indian Muslims have reported a surge of hate crimes and lynchings since Mr Modi came to power in 2014. The government has accelerated its nationalist agenda since securing a second term last year. A controversial law specifically excluded Muslim immigrants from gaining citizenship, and BJP officials were accused of inciting religious riots in Delhi that left more than 50 people dead in February.

Madhu Garg, with the All India Democratic Women Association, said: “Police digging out cases of interfaith marriage is disgraceful. This ordinance is also a violation of the freedoms given to us by the constitution of India.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...weddings-as-love-jihad-fears-spread-rjcjmtbwt
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">‘Love jihad’ rumour: Wedding stopped in UP, Muslim couple kept overnight at police station. The couple was let go “only the next day after finding that both were Muslims”. <a href="https://t.co/YWnG7i74RG">https://t.co/YWnG7i74RG</a></p>— Abhishek Saha (@saha_abhi1990) <a href="https://twitter.com/saha_abhi1990/status/1337268545931988993?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The police in Kushinagar, Uttar Pradesh, stopped a wedding ceremony on Tuesday and took away the couple following a phone call claiming that a Muslim man was marrying a Hindu woman after converting her, letting them go only the next day after finding that both were Muslims. The man, 39-year-old Haider Ali, has alleged that the police personnel beat him up with a leather belt and tortured him for hours at the Kasya Police Station.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">‘Love jihad’ rumour: Wedding stopped in UP, Muslim couple kept overnight at police station. The couple was let go “only the next day after finding that both were Muslims”. <a href="https://t.co/YWnG7i74RG">https://t.co/YWnG7i74RG</a></p>— Abhishek Saha (@saha_abhi1990) <a href="https://twitter.com/saha_abhi1990/status/1337268545931988993?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The police in Kushinagar, Uttar Pradesh, stopped a wedding ceremony on Tuesday and took away the couple following a phone call claiming that a Muslim man was marrying a Hindu woman after converting her, letting them go only the next day after finding that both were Muslims. The man, 39-year-old Haider Ali, has alleged that the police personnel beat him up with a leather belt and tortured him for hours at the Kasya Police Station.
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Fascist animals. They have traumatised this poor couple for life.
 
First woman detained under India's controversial Love Jihad laws 'forced into miscarriage'

The first woman detained under India's controversial new 'Love Jihad' laws has miscarried in custody, her family have told The Sunday Telegraph.

Yesterday a distraught Muskan Jahan, 22, called her mother-in-law, from a government shelter where she is being held in the city of Moradabad in Uttar Pradesh, saying she had bled profusely and then lost her baby.

Mrs Jahan believes her three-month-pregnant daughter-in-law was given an injection to abort the baby by staff because she converted from Hinduism to Islam and married a Muslim man.

“The tyrannical world has said goodbye to this child before he was able to see the world,” said Mrs Jahan.

Muskan's husband Rashid, 27, is being held in an unknown prison in Uttar Pradesh for allegedly coercing Muskan into converting from Hinduism to Islam by marrying her.

Uttar Pradesh passed legislation last month designed to prevent marriages arranged to convert Hindu women into Muslims, a practice known as 'Love Jihad'. But critics say the law is a poorly disguised attempt by the Hindu nationalist ruling party of prime minister Narendra Modi to break up interfaith unions.

A further four Bharatiya Janata Party-ruled (BJP) states are expected to pass similar laws later this month, despite the Indian government admitting in February it had not been able to find one case of so-called 'Love Jihad' nationwide.

While the law doesn’t specify any religion, police in Uttar Pradesh are targeting Muslims - at least ten Muslim men have been arrested so far but no Hindus.

Muskan and Rashid met when Rashid left his impoverished family home to work as a hairdresser in the northern Indian city of Dehradun.

Scraping to get by, he began to grow close to another migrant worker from Uttar Pradesh, a woman then known as Pinky.

The pair were employed by adjacent salons and Rashid began walking to work every morning with Pinky, making her laugh.

“Then, around five months ago, we got a sudden call from Rashid, he was very excited and he said that he had married the Hindu girl,” Mrs Jahan told the Sunday Telegraph.

“I scolded him that he did a wrong thing and asked him why he didn’t consult with us first. But, then he said he was coming home in July and we treated Pinky like our own daughter.”

Rashid got a new job in a salon in Moradabad and Pinky - who had taken the decision to convert to Islam and adopt the name Muskan before her marriage in July - soon fell pregnant, much to the delight of her mother-in-law.

“Like every mother, I also had a dream that my son should get married and then the happiness of all of us increased with the news of Muskan’s pregnancy,” said Mrs Jahan.

“There is no small baby in our house that we could play with on our lap and we had dreams of making the baby a good person through education.”

Hindus and Muslims have lived side-by-side in Uttar Pradesh for hundreds of years and while interfaith marriages are rare, they constitute three percent of unions.

However, since Mr Modi was re-elected with a landslide win in 2019, the BJP has implemented a string of policies protecting Hinduism. He has regularly been accused of Islamophobia.

The BJP has argued that Muslim men trying to brainwash Hindu women to convert to Islam before marriage to enact demographic change, a practice described as 'Love Jihad'. India’s Muslim community constitutes just 14 per cent of the population.

On Tuesday, the police arrested Haider Ali, a Muslim from the town of Kushinagar, tortured him and threatened to “skin him alive”. Mr Ali was released the next day after it was discovered his bride was born a Muslim.

Rashid was arrested on Sunday after the family visited a lawyer in Moradabad to register their marriage in Uttar Pradesh, as the couple had married in neighbouring Uttarakhand.

The family’s route home was blocked by the Bajrang Dal, a hardline Hindu nationalist group, who threatened them and called the police.

The police arrested Rashid and took Muskan to the shelter home, despite her protesting the couple were happily married.

“This is what Muslims do, first they love, and then they carry out Love Jihad after a few months. We know Pinky [Muskan] is seeing love right now, but after a few days she will find it very difficult to live her life,” said Gaurav Bhatnagar, the Bajrang Dal leader from Moradabad.

“Our workers are active in the street, locality, villages, cities, everywhere. Our job is to inform the police when Love Jihad cases occur and then it’s the court’s job to punish them.”

When Mrs Jahan tried to visit Muskan at the Nari Niketan shelter on Saturday morning, she was refused inside the building.

“Fear aggravates in our family, I do not know what will happen when both of them get released but I am very scared,” said Mrs Jahan.

The Sunday Telegraph approached the shelter where Muskan is held but did not receive a response.

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The first woman detained under India's controversial new 'Love Jihad' laws has miscarried in custody, her family have told The Sunday Telegraph.

Yesterday a distraught Muskan Jahan, 22, called her mother-in-law, from a government shelter where she is being held in the city of Moradabad in Uttar Pradesh, saying she had bled profusely and then lost her baby.

Mrs Jahan believes her three-month-pregnant daughter-in-law was given an injection to abort the baby by staff because she converted from Hinduism to Islam and married a Muslim man.

“The tyrannical world has said goodbye to this child before he was able to see the world,” said Mrs Jahan.

Muskan's husband Rashid, 27, is being held in an unknown prison in Uttar Pradesh for allegedly coercing Muskan into converting from Hinduism to Islam by marrying her.

Uttar Pradesh passed legislation last month designed to prevent marriages arranged to convert Hindu women into Muslims, a practice known as 'Love Jihad'. But critics say the law is a poorly disguised attempt by the Hindu nationalist ruling party of prime minister Narendra Modi to break up interfaith unions.

A further four Bharatiya Janata Party-ruled (BJP) states are expected to pass similar laws later this month, despite the Indian government admitting in February it had not been able to find one case of so-called 'Love Jihad' nationwide.

While the law doesn’t specify any religion, police in Uttar Pradesh are targeting Muslims - at least ten Muslim men have been arrested so far but no Hindus.

Muskan and Rashid met when Rashid left his impoverished family home to work as a hairdresser in the northern Indian city of Dehradun.

Scraping to get by, he began to grow close to another migrant worker from Uttar Pradesh, a woman then known as Pinky.

The pair were employed by adjacent salons and Rashid began walking to work every morning with Pinky, making her laugh.

“Then, around five months ago, we got a sudden call from Rashid, he was very excited and he said that he had married the Hindu girl,” Mrs Jahan told the Sunday Telegraph.

“I scolded him that he did a wrong thing and asked him why he didn’t consult with us first. But, then he said he was coming home in July and we treated Pinky like our own daughter.”

Rashid got a new job in a salon in Moradabad and Pinky - who had taken the decision to convert to Islam and adopt the name Muskan before her marriage in July - soon fell pregnant, much to the delight of her mother-in-law.

“Like every mother, I also had a dream that my son should get married and then the happiness of all of us increased with the news of Muskan’s pregnancy,” said Mrs Jahan.

“There is no small baby in our house that we could play with on our lap and we had dreams of making the baby a good person through education.”

Hindus and Muslims have lived side-by-side in Uttar Pradesh for hundreds of years and while interfaith marriages are rare, they constitute three percent of unions.

However, since Mr Modi was re-elected with a landslide win in 2019, the BJP has implemented a string of policies protecting Hinduism. He has regularly been accused of Islamophobia.

The BJP has argued that Muslim men trying to brainwash Hindu women to convert to Islam before marriage to enact demographic change, a practice described as 'Love Jihad'. India’s Muslim community constitutes just 14 per cent of the population.

On Tuesday, the police arrested Haider Ali, a Muslim from the town of Kushinagar, tortured him and threatened to “skin him alive”. Mr Ali was released the next day after it was discovered his bride was born a Muslim.

Rashid was arrested on Sunday after the family visited a lawyer in Moradabad to register their marriage in Uttar Pradesh, as the couple had married in neighbouring Uttarakhand.

The family’s route home was blocked by the Bajrang Dal, a hardline Hindu nationalist group, who threatened them and called the police.

The police arrested Rashid and took Muskan to the shelter home, despite her protesting the couple were happily married.

“This is what Muslims do, first they love, and then they carry out Love Jihad after a few months. We know Pinky [Muskan] is seeing love right now, but after a few days she will find it very difficult to live her life,” said Gaurav Bhatnagar, the Bajrang Dal leader from Moradabad.

“Our workers are active in the street, locality, villages, cities, everywhere. Our job is to inform the police when Love Jihad cases occur and then it’s the court’s job to punish them.”

When Mrs Jahan tried to visit Muskan at the Nari Niketan shelter on Saturday morning, she was refused inside the building.

“Fear aggravates in our family, I do not know what will happen when both of them get released but I am very scared,” said Mrs Jahan.

The Sunday Telegraph approached the shelter where Muskan is held but did not receive a response.

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India the ********, regressive country jahan aurton ko insaan nahin samjha jata and misogyny is law of the land.

This poor women only did what adults in more civilised parts of the world do all the time with no repercusions- exercise their will to live their lives with the partners they choose.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So UP government lied. The 22 year old victim of Bajrang Dal’s terrorism had a miscarriage an ultrasound has confirmed.<a href="https://t.co/rCuPeSTUub">https://t.co/rCuPeSTUub</a></p>— Rohini Singh (@rohini_sgh) <a href="https://twitter.com/rohini_sgh/status/1340166385847037953?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">‘Love jihad’: Muslim teen walking back from birthday party booked under anti-conversion law in UP. The last three weeks I have not written a word. You wake up, you hear this **** and you recoil in horror. This is trigerring af. <a href="https://t.co/1nEhqYDtmW">https://t.co/1nEhqYDtmW</a></p>— Rana Ayyub (@RanaAyyub) <a href="https://twitter.com/RanaAyyub/status/1342399657255731200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohommed Hashim Ansari, an advocate based in Delhi, says that he is being “harassed” by the UP police for helping a woman who came to him in November voluntarily wanting to convert to Islam. | <a href="https://twitter.com/IsmatAraa?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IsmatAraa</a> <a href="https://t.co/9QT9hNOIuR">https://t.co/9QT9hNOIuR</a></p>— The Wire (@thewire_in) <a href="https://twitter.com/thewire_in/status/1341259676156104705?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Love Jihad must be declared ultra vires in 2021

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Love Jihad must be declared ultra vires in 2021

We are being pummelled back to the dark ages.

2020 has seen women not only having to combat COVID-19, economic distress, increasing levels of domestic violence and the added responsibility of teaching kids who are unable to attend school.

If this was not scourge enough, we now find the women of Uttar Pradesh facing the worst possible violence being inflicted on them by none other than a draconian state.

Their crime being that they have chosen to marry men outside their faith.

Take the case of the Etah couple where the police has issued warrants of arrest against the groom Javed Ansari and 20 of his relatives including three women relatives.

A virtual manhunt was launched by the UP police leading to the arrest of Javed's father, elder brother, cousin, cousin's friend, three brothers-in-law, father-in-law, father-in-law's brother and his son on the morning of December 22.

With five of them still not traceable, the police are offering a reward of Rs 25,000 each to anyone who will inform the cops of their whereabouts as though they are hardened criminals.

The bride Ayushi Pachauri who chose to become a Muslim and adopt the name of Ayesha was taken into custody on December 23 having been found in the home of a friend of Javed who lived near Karkarduma metro station in Delhi.

She has been brought back to Etah.

She refused to speak to the police insisting she would give her statement only when she was presented in front of a court of law.

Her lawyer claimed that Ayushi Pachauri came to her chamber in Delhi in early November and asked him to help her legally convert to Islam.

The lawyer Mohammed Ansari made an affidavit, which she signed, attesting that she had converted voluntarily converted to Islam.

Javed and she were neighbours.

Javed ran a cloth shop and was doing reasonably well.

They were attracted to each other and chose to get married.

But this freedom of choice carries no weight with the state administration with all arrests of Javed's family members having been made under the anti-conversion law.

Conscious that her conversion would spark off trouble, Ayesha had the foresight to send a declaration to the SSP and SHO of Jalesar, saying that her husband's family members should not be harassed as she had chosen to marry her husband out of her own choice.

A similar declaration was sent to the National Commission for Women.

Ayesha went missing from her home from mid-November, but her father, a local businessman filed an FIR at the Jalesar thana on December 17 after he received a legal notice informing him of her conversion to Islam and of her decision to marry Javed Ansari.

The same kind of overdrive is being shown in tracking down all the reports of interfaith marriages that come their way.

Even the strictures of the Allahabad high court stating that couples are free to marry according to their choice, a freedom guaranteed by the Constitution, has not deterred either the police or Bajrang Dal activists to go after these couples.

The UP chief minister's recent moves while targeting the Muslim community, is also subjecting numerous Hindu women to unimaginable misery and attacks.

The story of Muskan (Pinky) is probably the most heart rendering of all.

This young Hindu woman was living alone in Dehra Dun and working for a finance company when she met Mohammed Rashid who ran a salon.

They fell in love and got married in July 2020.

It needs to be emphasised that in many of these interfaith marriages, no dowry has been sought as is the case in the majority of Hindu marriages even with those belonging to the lower socio-economic levels.

A simple nikaah ceremony takes place performed by a qazi.

Soon, she was pregnant.

Rashid's mother Naseema became apprehensive following the passing of the Uttar Pradesh Prohibition of Unlawful Conversion of Religion Ordinance, 2020.

Living as she was in Moradabad district, she felt it would be safer in the long run if they got their marriage registered in UP.

That turned out to be a complete miscalculation because Rashid and Muskan, on their way to get the marriage registered, were accosted by a Bajrang Dal mob who roughed them up.

Muskan informed the mob that she was a major and that her marriage took place almost six months before the enactment of the anti-conversion law.

But this did not cut any ice with the mob or with the cops.

The couple were arrested and while Rashid was jailed, the pregnant Muskan was sent to a shelter home where her condition worsened and she suffered an abortion.

What had led Muskan's mother to file an FIR against Rashid alleging he had pretended to be a Hindu in order to marry a Hindu girl? Muskan believes her mother simply parroted everything that the Bajrang Dal asked her to do.

Fortunately, the district court has ordered their release.

But already since November 28, over 30 people have been arrested under 11 different FIRs lodged across nine districts of UP.

The police overdrive can be seen from the fact that recently they stopped a marriage ceremony only to discover that both the girl and boy were Muslims.

In another bizarre case, Mohammed Asif working in a medical store near Lucknow fell in love with 21-year-old Raina Gupta, a neighbour who was daughter of a driver and of a domestic help.

This time around, the families of the bride and groom's marriage gave their consent and the marriage was solemnised on December 2 with the bridegroom agreeing to follow all the Hindu rituals.

Once again, the police barged into the wedding and dragged the family members to the police thana.

The families were set free only after the couple assured the police that no one was converting their faith.

Vigilante groups have sprung up in practically every city of UP.

In the Ayesha case, it was these Bajrang Dal groups who first informed the police about the interfaith wedding.

Members of these groups visit these marriage offices on a daily basis and wherever a notice is put of a marriage taking place under the Special Marriage Act in UP, with photos and addresses of couples being put up on display, they will go and visit the homes of the couple in order to intimidate them as also tip off the police.

Fortunately, the public notice provision is currently under challenge in the Supreme Court.

The most strident criticism of this anti-conversion ordinance has come from the judiciary with several retired Supreme Court and high court judges having described it as being violative of Article 14 (Right to Equality), 15 (Prohibition of discrimination on grounds of religion), 21 (Right to Life) and 25 (Freedom of conscience).

Retired Supreme Court judge Madan Lokur pointed out that laws against interfaith marriages were violative of jurisprudence as developed by the Supreme Court.

Justice Lokur, during the course of a public lecture, quoted repeated what the UP chief minister had stated publicly 'If these jihadis don't mend their ways, it is the beginning of their journey to their graves'.

Justice Lokur asked, 'Is this possible death sentence already pronounced sanctioned under the Constitution or by law? This seems to be a resurgence of mob lynching. What about the freedom of choice?'

It was the judiciary which came to the rescue of Simran Sagar and Shamim who are in a relationship.

Residents of Shahjahanpur, they chose to elope when pressure was being put on Simran to marry a man of her parents' choice.

They moved the Delhi high court to be given protection. On December 22, the couple moved into a government safe house and are living as a couple.

'This is a special moment for us. We want to show the world there is only love between us, no jihad,' Simran has said.

But the Bajrang Dal activists are relentless in getting all and sundry prosecuted under this malevolent law.

On December 14, a 16-year-old girl from Bijnor was walking home after attending a birthday party in the company of a former Muslim classmate when they were allegedly chased by a group of men.

When these goons learned that the boy was a Muslim, he was taken to the local police thana where he has been booked under the anti-conversion ordinance and also slapped with the more dangerous SC/ST Act and POSCO.

The girl student is standing her ground and has told the local magistrate that these men had a problem to see her walking home with this boy.

The situation took a turn for the worse when the father, under pressure from the goonda and the cops, registered a complaint that the boy 'was inducing the girl to elope with him Swith the intention to marry and convert her'.

The father denied making this complaint, insisting he trusted his daughter completely.

The damage has been done and the boy is presently lodged in a jail in Bijnor and the mother is running from pillar to post to get her seventeen year old freed.

It is the women who are displaying amazing courage by speaking out against the Bajrang Dal.

None of these women come from wealthy backgrounds.

Rather, many are downright poor.

Two of these women belong to the SC/ST category.

They are fighting to protect their right to choose a life partner even when their parents are not supportive of their decision.

More important, these women are raising their voices in small town India where the Bajrang Dal is in a position to inflict violence.

Many of these couples have been beaten up as is evident from the videos with the police playing the role of mute witnesses or else on an overdrive to intimidate and arrest these couples.

Two writ petitions to declare this ordinance as ultra vires* have been filed in the Allahabad high court and also the Supreme Court.

These petitions have been clubbed together and will be heard by the Allahabad high court on January 7.

For the women in India, this is an extremely important date given that four other states -- Madhya Pradesh, Karnataka, Haryana and Assam -- plan to introduce a similar ordinance.

*Ultra vires translates to 'beyond the powers'. It is used to describe an act which requires legal authority or power, but is then completed outside of or without the requisite authority.
 
Shows how UP has become worse than Taliban under taklu bisht. And he still has so many bhakts! Beggars belief how could anyone with a civilized mindset and a working mind could deify this taklu!
 
MP2011 said:
Shows how UP has become worse than Taliban under taklu bisht. And he still has so many bhakts! Beggars belief how could anyone with a civilized mindset and a working mind could deify this taklu!
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ignorant people or people with vested interest call it love jihad. it has a secular name and should be referred with that: Prohibition of Unlawful Religious Conversion Ordinance.
 
CricketCartoons said:
ignorant people or people with vested interest call it love jihad. it has a secular name and should be referred with that: Prohibition of Unlawful Religious Conversion Ordinance.
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Religion should not be the governments concern. The law is beyond stupid
 
uberkoen said:
Religion should not be the governments concern. The law is beyond stupid
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Protection of demographies should be govt concern. This law is visionary and every country, including Pakistan should have it. It will protect minorities from being absorbed by majority through conversion under duress or coercion.
 
CricketCartoons said:
Protection of demographies should be govt concern. This law is visionary and every country, including Pakistan should have it. It will protect minorities from being absorbed by majority through conversion under duress or coercion.
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Instead of restricting conversions and adding red tape around it there should be laws against forced conversions
 
uberkoen said:
Instead of restricting conversions and adding red tape around it there should be laws against forced conversions
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This is what this law aims to do. Whether it is forced, or under duress, or coercion, or undue influence. Glad that you have come around to agree that state must protect communities and should be involved in religion.
 
MP2011 said:
Shows how UP has become worse than Taliban under taklu bisht. And he still has so many bhakts! Beggars belief how could anyone with a civilized mindset and a working mind could deify this taklu!
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Bhakths are more concerned about forced conversions happening in pakistan,so called secular parties are scared about losing their hindu vote bank
 
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This is what this law aims to do. Whether it is forced, or under duress, or coercion, or undue influence. Glad that you have come around to agree that state must protect communities and should be involved in religion.
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No, this is not what the law aims to do. It aims to make conversions more difficult by adding red tape and bureaucracy around it rather than punishing those who force people to convert. You see the difference? Even you can't be that stupid to not understand the difference between the two things.
 
uberkoen said:
No, this is not what the law aims to do. It aims to make conversions more difficult by adding red tape and bureaucracy around it rather than punishing those who force people to convert. You see the difference? Even you can't be that stupid to not understand the difference between the two things.
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Will you say a sieve makes purification difficult, because it makes it difficult for impurities to pass through and allows finer particles to pass? This difficulty acts as the sieve so the fake cases get identified, thus preventing the crime from happening and the need for punishment. That is why I called it a visionary law, as it puts the barrier much early, instead of retrospective laws which only punish the crime after it has happened.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">UP: ‘Love jihad’ case against 3 Muslim men dropped within 24 hours after ‘charges turn out to be false’ <a href="https://t.co/OCzZ3dH5sC">https://t.co/OCzZ3dH5sC</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/TOICitiesNews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TOICitiesNews</a></p>— The Times Of India (@timesofindia) <a href="https://twitter.com/timesofindia/status/1345678792048713729?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
'Love Jihad' law comes into effect in Madhya Pradesh; forced conversion to invite 10-yr jail term

Bhopal: The Madhya Pradesh's Freedom of Religion Ordinance, 2020, came into effect as a law on Saturday after the state government issued a gazette notification. The 'love jihad' law comes into effect two weeks after the Madhya Pradesh Cabinet approved it.

The Freedom of Religion Bill, 2020 was supposed to be presented in the Madhya Pradesh Assembly for final passage but since the Assembly is not in session, it was promulgated by the Governor.

Under the new law, forced conversion of a minor, woman or a person from Scheduled Caste or Scheduled Tribe, would draw a minimum jail term of 2-10 years with a minimum penalty of Rs 50,000.

Also, forcing religious conversion on someone will attract 1-5 years of imprisonment and a minimum Rs 25,000 fine.

Any marriage solemnised only for the purpose of converting a person will be considered null and void under the provisions of this law. A provision is also being made that those willing to convert need to apply before the district administration two months prior.

Under the new law, no person in Madhya Pradesh will be able to convert anyone directly or otherwise through marriage or by any other fraudulent means by luring or intimidating anyone, said MP officials.

A person involved in converting another person by misleading, luring, threatening or through marriage will be prosecuted.

https://www.timesnownews.com/india/...d-conversion-to-invite-10-yr-jail-term/705099
 
New Delhi: The Central government on Tuesday confirmed that it has no plans to bring a central anti-conversion law to curb inter-faith marriages in the country. It further added that such laws are concerns of the state governments.

Responding to a question in Lok Sabha, the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) stated that the Central Government does not intend to propose a central Anti-Conversion Law to curb interfaith marriages.

The prevention, detection, registration, investigation and prosecution of offences related to religious conversions are primarily the concerns of the State Governments, added the MHA.

The Central government was questioned in view of controversial anti-conversion laws brought by governments of Uttar Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh. Meanwhile, Assam and Karnataka governments have also announced they would soon bring in a similar law to curb inter-faith marriages.

It should be noted that all the above-mentioned states are ruled by the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP).

The Lok Sabha was adjourned multiple times today following ruckus by the Opposition over the farm laws. Opposition MPs raised the slogan 'take back black laws', following which Speaker Om Birla requested the Members of Parliament to participate in the functioning of the House saying that it is their constitutional duty.

Earlier today, the Rajya Sabha was adjourned till 9 am on Wednesday, after facing repeated adjournments amid ruckus by Opposition MPs.

The Opposition parties staged a walkout of the Rajya Sabha after their demand for suspension of business of the day to take up a discussion on the ongoing farmers' agitation against three farm laws was rejected by Chairman Venkaiah Naidu.

However, Rajya Sabha Chairman M Venkaiah Naidu asked the Opposition parties to hold the discussion on Wednesday.
 
Horror Story of a young man paying a price for "Love"

Bigboii said:
what can you say Muslim men are charming :wy

Don't blame love jihad work on your game :ua
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Oh man this was so stupid... you really need a reality check about these situations to truly understand the gravity

My details are a bit here and there as I heard it from a second source (will ask em for more if anyone's having trouble with following along)

So my dad's friend who is a Pakistani is married to an Indian muslim

They sponsored thier step son to come to the united states' and he was expected to show up this may I believe

They spent thousands of dollars for his sponsorship and everything

But before coming couple months ago he "escaped" with his girlfriend who happened to be a Hindu (legal, consenting adults)
Pulling of a cheap bollywood stunt like a true specimen (probably needed a father figure in his life to smack sense into the kid)- now the case is such a mess that I don't think he'll be able to enter these shores ever again (but I truly hope not)

Long story short there's a case of kidnapping on the guy, some love jihad type charge that I have no idea what it entails (in UP anyone familiar with that state can guide us about that specific law), and two three more random charges

All at the behest of the girls family

So I heard that couple of family members of the guy were tortured including some seniors
Police are taking massive amounts of money for "protection" (he was shifted to another city I believe) - the poor people are spending money like no tomorrow (they probably know it's a foreign party so more kickbacks)

Man had his future in front of him, literally people will do anything to get the opputinity he was getting on a platter

but total waste what a specimen

Here's the reaction from our gossiping Pakistani cammunity...

"wadi koji aye kuri, indian jo hai" a disgusting smile
P*(punjabi curse word) acha hua, aur kar haram kaari Hindu ke saath, torture is a good lesson for the boy I must say
If he had waited for couple of months we would have married him off to a sohni "Pakastani" kuri and not this ugly fling that he has ruined his future with

I found this deppresiing and funny too

Both of tham agree that the boy got what he deserved, only thier reasonings are different
One had a problem with a Muslim marrying thier Hindu daughter

while the other muslims had a problem that he married a Hindu

Part of me is also blaming the boy
I mean why? Why would you do that? What's the point?

Society that he is living in too has some problem

The guys upbringing also has some issues as he grew up without a male role model in the family

Just too many factors in this tragedy
 
What are the options for this guy?
What can the family do to get him out of this situation quickly? Cause spending that kind of money is no easy task
Are there any governor appels, media that he can contact to get him out of this mess
 
Pak-Bharat marriages are still frowned upon even if both sides are Muslim. Muslim to non-Muslim ones are in the minuscule. Even my family gave me two conditions when finding a possible spouse, firstly no one of Indian background even if she is born and living abroad no matter how good a Muslimah she is. Secondly she must be a Muslimah.

I have in the past rejected proposals from Deccan Hyderabad and Delhi without feeling he slightest of guilt. Not only do we marry the other person but their entire family too so can understand why most Pakistanis feel this way. With the never ending tense situation no need to put additional pressure on a marriage by marrying in the enemies camp.
 
PakLFC said:
Pak-Bharat marriages are still frowned upon even if both sides are Muslim. Muslim to non-Muslim ones are in the minuscule. Even my family gave me two conditions when finding a possible spouse, firstly no one of Indian background even if she is born and living abroad no matter how good a Muslimah she is. Secondly she must be a Muslimah.

I have in the past rejected proposals from Deccan Hyderabad and Delhi without feeling he slightest of guilt. Not only do we marry the other person but their entire family too so can understand why most Pakistanis feel this way. With the never ending tense situation no need to put additional pressure on a marriage by marrying in the enemies camp.
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Like Technics the mask slips sometimes.
 
PakLFC said:
Pak-Bharat marriages are still frowned upon even if both sides are Muslim. Muslim to non-Muslim ones are in the minuscule. Even my family gave me two conditions when finding a possible spouse, firstly no one of Indian background even if she is born and living abroad no matter how good a Muslimah she is. Secondly she must be a Muslimah.

I have in the past rejected proposals from Deccan Hyderabad and Delhi without feeling he slightest of guilt. Not only do we marry the other person but their entire family too so can understand why most Pakistanis feel this way. With the never ending tense situation no need to put additional pressure on a marriage by marrying in the enemies camp.
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Nah not really plenty of people have been married that way and it's not looked down upon...
 
he should have had gone through the official route of inter religion marriage and inform the administration first.

If you are marrying like this without looking through the law of the land, you deserve every bit.

Seems like a spoiled child who is always required to live under others shadows and unfamiliar with how the life works and rules and regulations.
 
Itachi said:
he should have had gone through the official route of inter religion marriage and inform the administration first.

If you are marrying like this without looking through the law of the land, you deserve every bit.

Seems like a spoiled child who is always required to live under others shadows and unfamiliar with how the life works and rules and regulations.
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Deserve everything...
Ie random fake charges, torture, torture of your loved ones, paying huge bribes to the.police... sound like those uncle's I talked about in the end

In hindsight should have never done it and pulled of that cheap bollywood stunt ofcourse he is a bit of an idiot- no question

But why should two adults be required to take extra steps (anything out of the ordinary) just because they have a different religion

That seems out of line in most secular democracies...
 
Bigboii said:
Deserve everything...
Ie random fake charges, torture, torture of your loved ones, paying huge bribes to the.police... sound like those uncle's I talked about in the end

In hindsight should have never done it and pulled of that cheap bollywood stunt ofcourse he is a bit of an idiot- no question

But why should two adults be required to take extra steps (anything out of the ordinary) just because they have a different religion

That seems out of line in most secular democracies...
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Its a requirement of the law of the land.

In PP, you can not criticize the Prophet of Islam or the holy book but in another forum, you can.

If you criticize the Prophet and get banned here, you deserve it because you broke established rules. if you aren't aware of this, then you are still at fault because it was your duty to go through t&c while signing up.

In a non muslim forum, it will be ok to criticize.

Every community is different and hence there are different laws in different places. it's your duty to abide by it while taking such actions.

He is immature and bypassed the regulations for which, he will be charged.
 
If they are legal consenting adults, religion should not matter. Anybody can fall in love in anyone. After all, we are all humans first.
 
Bigboii said:
Deserve everything...
Ie random fake charges, torture, torture of your loved ones, paying huge bribes to the.police... sound like those uncle's I talked about in the end

In hindsight should have never done it and pulled of that cheap bollywood stunt ofcourse he is a bit of an idiot- no question

But why should two adults be required to take extra steps (anything out of the ordinary) just because they have a different religion

That seems out of line in most secular democracies...
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Precisely which part of India he is from? And also the girl?
 
guna said:
If they are legal consenting adults, religion should not matter. Anybody can fall in love in anyone. After all, we are all humans first.
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If the consent was based on false promises, then state should step in and protect adults from duped consent.
 
Itachi said:
Its a requirement of the law of the land.

In PP, you can not criticize the Prophet of Islam or the holy book but in another forum, you can.

If you criticize the Prophet and get banned here, you deserve it because you broke established rules. if you aren't aware of this, then you are still at fault because it was your duty to go through t&c while signing up.

In a non muslim forum, it will be ok to criticize.

Every community is different and hence there are different laws in different places. it's your duty to abide by it while taking such actions.

He is immature and bypassed the regulations for which, he will be charged.
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Bhai he is being charged with many dubious charges

Like kidnapping, breaking and entering, rape, and the some love jihad type law I don't know about

I don't think he lied about his relegion
he is an above Average looking guy, was going to the US, had property in his name

He was a catch for the female, I don't think he had to lie about his relegion to have a relationship with her infact she was lucky to have one with him

And the whole family speaks nastalik urdu with big persian words

No Hindu speak hindi with urdu nastalik accent and persian words

I highly doubt that he was duping the girl, it just doesn't add up
 
CricketCartoons said:
If the consent was based on false promises, then state should step in and protect adults from duped consent.
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Even if the consent was on false promises, the state should not step in. If the girl was stupid enough to believe in the Muslim man's Alif Laila stories, then she deserves to learn a lesson. Men tell all kinds of lies to get close to a woman. Once the woman finds out that the man had been lying, she should kick him out of her life. The onus is on the woman here.

Women cannot cry and go to the police every time a man lies to them. Police has better things to do.
 
When I read "horror" story in the headline, I thought the poor boy got killed by the girl's relatives like it usually happens in India in quite a few interfaith marriages. Desis are so polarised by religion that they are not really ready for interfaith marriages.

It's why I thought that Tanishq ad, while in good intention, was a bit funny because that was way out of touch with reality. It will take decades for intercaste marriages to get normalised in India but I'm not sure if interfaith marriages will ever become common in the subcontinent like interracial marriages in the west. I've seen quite a few hindu-christian marriages in India but hindu muslim marriages are practically unviable because their beliefs are polar opposites. So only way for the marriage to work is if the couple are just "cultural" hindus and muslims or they are more into the spiritual stuff rather than following religion in a ritualistic manner.
 
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Bigboii said:
The hindi speaking areas somewhere around Agra I believe
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Uttar Pradesh...Enough said. This guy should have been more careful while marrying a non Muslim there.


The cowbelt area is not completely safe for muslims be it rich or poor.
 
Caste driven Honour killing among Hindus is just another level. Common in Southern Indian states.
 
guna said:
Even if the consent was on false promises, the state should not step in. If the girl was stupid enough to believe in the Muslim man's Alif Laila stories, then she deserves to learn a lesson. Men tell all kinds of lies to get close to a woman. Once the woman finds out that the man had been lying, she should kick him out of her life. The onus is on the woman here.

Women cannot cry and go to the police every time a man lies to them. Police has better things to do.
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maybe when all women are empowered, the state will not have to step in. For now, it is needed to stop people from exploiting stupid people. Police's job is to protect citizens, whether intelligent or stupid. No better thing to do than this.
 
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