BJP altering education system to promote Hindutva across India

[cricketjoshila]

I am not, and I have reiterated this time and again, you are entitled to embrace bigotry within India or anywhere else, for that matter.

However, you have no right to dictate that I cannot criticize bigots. Silencing critics may be the norm in Hindutva driven India, but this is not Hindutva India.

Your right ends the moment you infringe on someone else's.

That's something pakistanis need to be taught. Till then you are the laughing stock.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What's more amusing is when hindutvas pretend it is amusing when they are called out for their extremism when really their pants are on fire.

Pakistanis can do nothing to Indian hindutvadis.

We deal with pakistanis as we please.

Ask Saqib Mahmood or Shoaib Bashir.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Pants on fire?

Pakistanis can do nothing to Indian hindutvadis.

We deal with pakistanis as we please.

Ask Saqib Mahmood or Shoaib Bashir.

Lol, talk about pants on fire.

 

[sweep_shot]

What's more amusing is when hindutvas pretend it is amusing when they are called out for their extremism when really their pants are on fire.

They can dish it out and but can't take it.

Their entitlement may work within Indian border but unlikely to work outside of India.

 

[HalBass9]

Your right ends the moment you infringe on someone else's.

That's something pakistanis need to be taught. Till then you are the laughing stock.

Lol, you are a adult, try to act like one.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol, talk about pants on fire.

We saw that on multiple threads on PP. Crying racism.

 

[sweep_shot]

Pakistanis can do nothing to Indian hindutvadis.

Just like Hindutva vegetarians can't do much outside of India? It goes both ways.

If you hate Pakistan and Pakistanis so much, what are you doing here?

 

[ChennaiFan]

What's more amusing is when hindutvas pretend it is amusing when they are called out for their extremism when really their pants are on fire.

I don't believe the people who you call as hindutvas care about what some radicalized islamic extremists think about their education system.

 

[Champ_Pal]

That may very well be the claim, but actions speak louder than words, Hindutva, in practice, revolves around imposing its beliefs on minorities and asserting religious supremacy. Why would a nation with an overwhelming Hindu majority need to construct its identity around Hinduism unless the goal is domination rather than harmony?

So, if you're offended by criticism of Hindutva bigotry, direct your outrage at those who have twisted and perverted it into an extremist ideology, not at those calling it out for what it is.

Y’all actively elect prominent bigots as leaders, start with not electing such politician who openly suggest to slaughter fellow humans?

You can criticize India for cow vigilantism and beef lynchings. They are pathetic and the culprits must be behind bars which I completely support.
But to criticize Hindutva for putting the nation first above language, religion, caste, creed, race and sex is silly. It shows clear ignorance about the concept of Hindutva.

No Hindutva supporter would force a Muslim or a Christian to pray in a temple and do puja in a mandir. They only urge every Indian to put the nation first and respect its age old culture. Only the ones who put their religion and faith before the country are having issues with it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Just like Hindutva vegetarians can't do much outside of India? It goes both ways.

If you hate Pakistan and Pakistanis so much, what are you doing here?

What can Bangladeshis do anywhere?

Hang onto coat tails of others?

First hang onto the tails of Jinnah to get east Pakistan.

Then hang onto the tail of Indira to get Bangladesh.

Then hang onto the tails of US deep state to remove Hasina.

What have you guys done?

The only time Bangladesh is mentioned in the world is when world population is being counted.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I don't believe the people who you call as hindutvas care about what some radicalized islamic extremists think about their education system.

The world has long moved on from giving any credence to the pakistani opinion on India.

They are reduced to whining and trolling online. That's the limit of their ability.

 

[HalBass9]

You can criticize India for cow vigilantism and beef lynchings. They are pathetic and the culprits must be behind bars which I completely support.
But to criticize Hindutva for putting the nation first above language, religion, caste, creed, race and sex is silly. It shows clear ignorance about the concept of Hindutva.

No Hindutva supporter would force a Muslim or a Christian to pray in a temple and do puja in a mandir. They only urge every Indian to put the nation first and respect its age old culture. Only the ones who put their religion and faith before the country are having issues with it.

Let's not act as if some of us were just born yesterday. Hindutva actions speak for themselves.

Is forcing people to chant Jai Shri Ram now considered India’s national sport?

And of course, the classic "Go to Pakistan."

Whatever you say might resonate within India and the WhatsApp circles you follow, but try to be respectful to the rest of us so that we can extend the same courtesy to you.

 

[HalBass9]

The world has long moved on from giving any credence to the pakistani opinion on India.

They are reduced to whining and trolling online. That's the limit of their ability.

Oh, come on, You’re smart enough to know that the "tough guy" act only works in India and maybe along the border. The moment Hindutva enthusiasts try pulling the same stunts in a Muslim country or the West, they get express shipping, first class, straight back to Hindutva Land. No return policy included

You sure are here to give credence to everyone opinion

 

[Champ_Pal]

Let's not act as if some of us were just born yesterday. Hindutva actions speak for themselves.

Is forcing people to chant Jai Shri Ram now considered India’s national sport?

And of course, the classic "Go to Pakistan."

Whatever you say might resonate within India and the WhatsApp circles you follow, but try to be respectful to the rest of us so that we can extend the same courtesy to you.

Ram was a human and much revered for the exceptional qualities he had. He is equated to God (Vishnu Avatar). Nothing wrong in saying Jai Shri Ram. When you say Jai Shri Ram, you are praising his great qualities like Obedience, impartiality and his love and compassion. I say it too and I am no believer in the God concept. The same goes for Krishna. They are men of great influence of their times.

I do not approve of forcing anyone to say Jai Shri Ram or Jai Shri Krishna. But if someone is saying it, there is nothing wrong in it. You are just praising humans. It does not diminish the value of Allah or Jesus or Zoroaster.

 

[HalBass9]

Ram was a human and much revered for the exceptional qualities he had. He is equated to God (Vishnu Avatar). Nothing wrong in saying Jai Shri Ram. When you say Jai Shri Ram, you are praising his great qualities like Obedience, impartiality and his love and compassion. I say it too and I am no believer in the God concept. The same goes for Krishna. They are men of great influence of their times.

I do not approve of forcing anyone to say Jai Shri Ram or Jai Shri Krishna. But if someone is saying it, there is nothing wrong in it. You are just praising humans. It does not diminish the value of Allah or Jesus or Zoroaster.

You might not approve, but you can’t deny that it’s happening in today’s India.

Just like I don’t approve of what’s happening to minorities in Pakistan, but I can’t dismiss it just because the reality hurts my feelings.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Lol now you are making atheists feel embarrassed, Can Muslims in Pakistan force Hindus to chant ALLAH HO AKBAR

Ram was a human and much revered for the exceptional qualities he had. He is equated to God (Vishnu Avatar). Nothing wrong in saying Jai Shri Ram. When you say Jai Shri Ram, you are praising his great qualities like Obedience, impartiality and his love and compassion. I say it too and I am no believer in the God concept. The same goes for Krishna. They are men of great influence of their times.

I do not approve of forcing anyone to say Jai Shri Ram or Jai Shri Krishna. But if someone is saying it, there is nothing wrong in it. You are just praising humans. It does not diminish the value of Allah or Jesus or Zoroaster.

 

[Champ_Pal]

You might not approve, but you can’t deny that it’s happening in today’s India.

Just like I don’t approve of what’s happening to minorities in Pakistan, but I can’t dismiss it just because the reality hurts my feelings.

Those are jobless thugs and criminals who misuse Hindutva. You can criticize people for what they do. But if their actions are supported by the scriptures and literature then it becomes a problem.
Savarkar never had the idea of forcing anyone to chant Jai Shriram or lynch for beef eating.

People misuse these chants as a form of turf war and street Goondaism. It goes both ways. One prays and jam the streets as a show of strength and blast their prayer out on loud speakers. Others go and ask/force people to say Jai Shriram. Its a form of one upping the others.

 

[HalBass9]

Those are jobless thugs and criminals who misuse Hindutva. You can criticize people for what they do. But if their actions are supported by the scriptures and literature then it becomes a problem.
Savarkar never had the idea of forcing anyone to chant Jai Shriram or lynch for beef eating.

People misuse these chants as a form of turf war and street Goondaism. It goes both ways. One prays and jam the streets as a show of strength and blast their prayer out on loud speakers. Others go and ask/force people to say Jai Shriram. Its a form of one upping the others.

Once again, you keep conflating Hinduism with Hindutva, let's not do that. Respect Hinduism, don't misuse it.

Blasting prayers on loudspeakers may have stopped, but forcing someone to chant Jai Shri Ram or telling anyone who disagrees with Hindutva to "Go to Pakistan" certainly hasn’t.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Lol now you are making atheists feel embarrassed, Can Muslims in Pakistan force Hindus to chant ALLAH HO AKBAR

Forcing is wrong. But nothing wrong in saying Jai Shriram. Ram is not God. He is considered an avatar of God for his exceptional qualities.

No one should be forced to chant anything against their will. It is plain thuggery and should be arrested for torture.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Once again, you keep conflating Hinduism with Hindutva, let's not do that. Respect Hinduism, don't misuse it.

Blasting prayers on loudspeakers may have stopped, but forcing someone to chant Jai Shri Ram or telling anyone who disagrees with Hindutva to "Go to Pakistan" certainly hasn’t.

Blasting prayers from loud speakers has not stopped. Every city, town, village has it. We all grew up listening to Azans on loud speakers every day. Its like clockwork. Houses are not sound proof. No escaping from it.

Hindutva is not Hinduism the religion. One is nationalistic. Other is well - Mythical. No different to any other religion or cult.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Forcing is wrong. But nothing wrong in saying Jai Shriram. Ram is not God. He is considered an avatar of God for his exceptional qualities.

No one should be forced to chant anything against their will. It is plain thuggery and should be arrested for torture.

Nothing wrong in saying Muslim and other religions slogan too then. Then why so furore in India and especially their media?

 

[HalBass9]

Blasting prayers from loud speakers has not stopped. Every city, town, village has it. We all grew up listening to Azans on loud speakers every day. Its like clockwork. Houses are not sound proof. No escaping from it.

Hindutva is not Hinduism the religion. One is nationalistic. Other is well - Mythical. No different to any other religion or cult.

So, you're equating the Azaan on a loudspeaker, something that has been a part of India for years, with someone being forced to chant Jai Shri Ram or being lynched over beef?

 

[Champ_Pal]

So, you're equating the Azaan on a loudspeaker, something that has been a part of India for years, with someone being forced to chant Jai Shri Ram or being lynched over beef?

Something that has been going on for years does not mean non-muslims love it.

Religion should be between 4 doors of the house. No public displays. No one wants to hear and chant what someone believes.

I am not equating anything to anything. Beef lynchings are pathetic and they are killers and should be put away in jail forever. Will never support anyone forcing their beliefs and personal feelings on others. Keep it to yourself. Public does not want to hear, see, follow and chant what one believes.

 

[ChennaiFan]

The world has long moved on from giving any credence to the pakistani opinion on India.

They are reduced to whining and trolling online. That's the limit of their ability.

I agree, 100%. I just wanted to highlight the hypocrisy and hatred of some of the religious extremists. That is all.

 

[HalBass9]

Something that has been going on for years does not mean non-muslims love it.

Religion should be between 4 doors of the house. No public displays. No one wants to hear and chant what someone believes.

I am not equating anything to anything. Beef lynchings are pathetic and they are killers and should be put away in jail forever. Will never support anyone forcing their beliefs and personal feelings on others. Keep it to yourself. Public does not want to hear, see, follow and chant what one believes.

You're making contradictory arguments in support of Hindutva. In the same thread, you're against public displays of any belief, yet you back Hindutva. I mean, Modi's puja is literally broadcast live on national TV.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol now you are making atheists feel embarrassed, Can Muslims in Pakistan force Hindus to chant ALLAH HO AKBAR

They can make them Muslims whenever they want.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So, you're equating the Azaan on a loudspeaker, something that has been a part of India for years, with someone being forced to chant Jai Shri Ram or being lynched over beef?

Use of loudspeakers are banned in India from 11pm to 6AM. In some places specific permission for some specific event allows use till midnight.

But masjids seem to think they are above law. Using loudspeaker whenever they want.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

We saw that on multiple threads on PP. Crying racism.

There's about as much chance of me crying racism to an Indian as there is of you taking the shahada. The idea of your British Raj complaining about racism.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

They can make them Muslims whenever they want.

Yep through preaching and if anyone do otherwise we condemn them...but would you ever condemn HIndutva goons forcing persons to BREAK their FAST or chanting Jai Shri ram??? And I haven't even touched their enforcement of dietary restrictions on minorities here yet.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Let's not act as if some of us were just born yesterday. Hindutva actions speak for themselves.

Is forcing people to chant Jai Shri Ram now considered India’s national sport?

And of course, the classic "Go to Pakistan."

Whatever you say might resonate within India and the WhatsApp circles you follow, but try to be respectful to the rest of us so that we can extend the same courtesy to you.

Pakistan can declare itself an Islamic republic. People can be forcefully converted. Other religious denominations can be made second class citizens but you want to talk about Jai Shree Ram in India.

And yes, Muslims who want Islamic rules in India should go to some Islamic nation, because India will not allow Islamic laws.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yep through preaching and if anyone do otherwise we condemn them...but would you ever condemn HIndutva goons forcing persons to BREAK their FAST or chanting Jai Shri ram???

Preaching?

You mean by kidnapping and forcibly marrying minor girls.

 

[cricketjoshila]

There's about as much chance of me crying racism to an Indian as there is of you taking the shahada. The idea of your British Raj complaining about racism.

You are a Pakistani. We in India treat you as one. Your British passport holds no signicance to us.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Preaching?

You mean by kidnapping and forcibly marrying minor girls.

Lol...I knew you won't answer my question directly ever, keep on digressing. All here can see what I wrote and what you answered

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol...I knew you won't answer my question directly ever, keep on digressing. All here can see what I wrote and what you answered

Its well known how non muslim minor girls are kidnapped in Pakistan. Married off and forcefully converted to Islam. Then the court puts it's stamp on it.

I wrote what you need to look at.

First improve your country before telling others.

 

[HalBass9]

Pakistan can declare itself an Islamic republic. People can be forcefully converted. Other religious denominations can be made second class citizens but you want to talk about Jai Shree Ram in India.

And yes, Muslims who want Islamic rules in India should go to some Islamic nation, because India will not allow Islamic laws.

Okay, take a quick scroll through this thread, did you not see me condemn Pakistan? LOL.

Neither you nor I represent any government, though you sure love to play the thakedaar of Hindutva.

And remind me again, how exactly have Muslims turned India into the Nation of Islam?

I do wonder, though, how do you sleep at night knowing India is on track to have the world’s largest Muslim population?

 

[HalBass9]

You are a Pakistani. We in India treat you as one. Your British passport holds no signicance to us.

If they happen to be white, their significance skyrockets, especially if they're members of the EDL.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If they happen to be white, their significance skyrockets, especially if they're members of the EDL.

Yes he has inadvertently told us that they do still salute the British Raj, only the Pakistanis don't count because they are not white

 

[cricketjoshila]

Okay, take a quick scroll through this thread, did you not see me condemn Pakistan? LOL.

Neither you nor I represent any government, though you sure love to play the thakedaar of Hindutva.

And remind me again, how exactly have Muslims turned India into the Nation of Islam?

I do wonder, though, how do you sleep at night knowing India is on track to have the world’s largest Muslim population?

Condemn Pakistan may be in a line. Then go on writing a book about India.

Atleast i do thekedaari of my country, you seem to be interested in India and not Pakistan.

Largest muslim population, after or before deportation of illegal immigrants?

 

[cricketjoshila]

If they happen to be white, their significance skyrockets, especially if they're members of the EDL.

This is what we do to your white MPs.

Debbie Abrahams: India denies entry to UK Labour MP critical of government - BBC News

Debbie Abrahams was critical of India's decision to revoke Kashmir's special status last year.

www.bbc.com

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes he has inadvertently told us that they do still salute the British Raj, only the Pakistanis don't count because they are not white

Not everyone is pakistan. Bending for a few pounds of aid.

We don't hesitate to deport British MPs when we want.

Debbie Abrahams: India denies entry to UK Labour MP critical of government - BBC News

Debbie Abrahams was critical of India's decision to revoke Kashmir's special status last year.

www.bbc.com

That's your British Raj that you suck up to.

 

[HalBass9]

Condemn Pakistan may be in a line. Then go on writing a book about India.

Atleast i do thekedaari of my country, you seem to be interested in India and not Pakistan.

Largest muslim population, after or before deportation of illegal immigrants?

One of the core pillars of the Hindutva narrative is built on anti-Muslim and anti-Pakistan sentiment, something you’ve proudly appointed yourself as the thekedaar of on PP.

No one needs to write a book on Hindutva, its followers are already narrating it loud and clear for everyone to see. I’m just asking questions.

Anyways, Enjoy!

 

[HalBass9]

This is what we do to your white MPs.

Debbie Abrahams: India denies entry to UK Labour MP critical of government - BBC News

Debbie Abrahams was critical of India's decision to revoke Kashmir's special status last year.

www.bbc.com

LOL, basically saying, unable to handle criticism of the supreme divine elected creature.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Its well known how non muslim minor girls are kidnapped in Pakistan. Married off and forcefully converted to Islam. Then the court puts it's stamp on it.

I wrote what you need to look at.

First improve your country before telling others.

@sweep_shot you were right, some people won't condemn the bad stuff in their country but would be ready to point flaws in others. Which isn't bad but first they must condemn injustices in their country first

Yep through preaching and if anyone do otherwise we condemn them...but would you ever condemn HIndutva goons forcing persons to BREAK their FAST or chanting Jai Shri ram??? And I haven't even touched their enforcement of dietary restrictions on minorities here yet.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

One of the core pillars of the Hindutva narrative is built on anti-Muslim and anti-Pakistan sentiment, something you’ve proudly appointed yourself as the thekedaar of on PP.

No one needs to write a book on Hindutva, its followers are already narrating it loud and clear for everyone to see. I’m just asking questions.

Anyways, Enjoy!

We already have a 3k thread book here

 

[cricketjoshila]

One of the core pillars of the Hindutva narrative is built on anti-Muslim and anti-Pakistan sentiment, something you’ve proudly appointed yourself as the thekedaar of on PP.

No one needs to write a book on Hindutva, its followers are already narrating it loud and clear for everyone to see. I’m just asking questions.

Anyways, Enjoy!

Not anti muslim but anti muslim appeasement.

Anti any country thats a security threat to India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

@sweep_shot you were right, some people won't condemn the bad stuff in their country but would be ready to point flaws in others. Which isn't bad but first they must condemn injustices in their country first

What condemn?

Token condemnation so that you can take shots on India?

I have been on PP longer than you perhaps, this game aint working.

Find a new one.

 

[cricketjoshila]

LOL, basically saying, unable to handle criticism of the supreme divine elected creature.

Basically saying, Don't poke your nose in internal matters of India. We don't care who you are.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

What condemn?

Token condemnation so that you can take shots on India?

I have been on PP longer than you perhaps, this game aint working.

Find a new one.

There is a thin line between patriotism and blind love for one country. And you literally defend every evil of your country. No doubt why BJP altering the education system to muzzle the voices of dissent into their arbitrary uniformity

 

[HalBass9]

Basically saying, Don't poke your nose in internal matters of India. We don't care who you are.

LOL, you wild for that. I’ma talk about whoever I want, and you ain’t gotta lose sleep over it. Thought that was just basic street knowledge?