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"Wearing Hijab Is Indiscipline": Karnataka Minister On Students' Protest

Do better. The article you cite is from 2017 has been superceded by article from 2018 which I cited. Which field/company do you work in again. I pity your employer.

2018 report:

India
Afghanistan
Syria
Somalia
Saudi Arabia
Pakistan
Democratic Republic of Congo
Yemen
Nigeria
USA

From the report I cited : Ranking at number 4 in 2011's survey, the latest report* sees India move to the top of the poll with critics arguing that this demonstrates not enough is being done to protect women's rights in the country.

We are not all Western, you are certainly not despite fleeing 'incredible' India.

You have much to learn about Western data/thought process. You can't even decipher chronological dates with out coughing up a moth ball.

Point being, you will be picked up on propaganda and incompitence, even though you pretend to be an Indian living in the West.

Have fun!

“Rape capital” is the phrase :) but go on ,I expect other petty insults from you.
 
Indians should be ashamedn 20 goons acting so aggressive against a single young girl

Dont these people have any decency?

A strong brave lady.

Disgusting these clowns are trying to intimidate a woman but in a nation where women are abused more than any other, this isnt a huge surpise.

Muslims need to defend themselves, they arent upagainst great warriors like the Mongols , just some skinny extremist nutjobs in saffron.
 
'Reprehensible act': Pakistan summons Indian envoy over hijab ban in Karnataka schools

Pakistan on Wednesday deplored the "reprehensible act" of banning Muslim students from wearing hijab in the Indian state of Karnataka and summoned the Indian envoy to convey Islamabad's concerns.

Students at a government-run high school in the Indian state were told not to wear hijabs last month, an edict that soon spread to other educational institutions in the state. A hijab-clad student was also heckled and jeered at by a mob of Hindutva supporters in Karnataka on Tuesday.

In a statement issued today, the Foreign Office (FO) said that the Indian Charge d'Affaires was summoned to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and was conveyed the government's "grave concern and condemnation on the deeply reprehensible act" of banning Muslim students from wearing hijab in Karnataka.

"The Charge d’ Affaires was urged to convey to the government of India Pakistan’s extreme concern over the anti-hijab campaign, being spearheaded by RSS-BJP combine in Karnataka, which is part of its larger exclusionist and majoritarian agenda aimed at dehumanising and demonising Muslim women," the FO said.

The Indian diplomat was also conveyed Pakistan's concern that religious intolerance, negative stereotyping, stigmatisation and discrimination against Muslims was continuing unabated almost two years after the 2020 Delhi riots, which claimed the lives of 50 Muslims.

"The government of Pakistan is also alarmed at the deafening silence of the BJP leadership and the absence of discernable action against Hindutva proponents openly calling for [the] genocide of Muslims at the recently held Dharam Sansad in Haridwar, Uttarakhand," the statement said, referring to calls for the mass killing of Muslims by Hindutva leaders in India.

It was emphasised to the Indian envoy that the government of India must fulfil its responsibility to hold the perpetrators of harassment against women in Karnataka to account and take adequate measures to ensure the safety, security and well-being of Muslim women, the statement added.

"He was further urged to impress upon the government of India to take immediate action against [the] perpetrators and abettors of anti-Muslim violence in [the] Indian states of Assam, Tripura, Gurugram and Uttarakhand and bring justice to the victims of [the] Delhi riots," the FO said.

Pakistan also called on the international community, including the United Nations and the organisation of Islamic Cooperation, to take notice of the "worrying level of Islamophobia in India" and prevail upon Indian authorities to prevent systematic human rights violations against minorities in the country.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1674190/r...ian-envoy-over-hijab-ban-in-karnataka-schools
 

1. Person is from a minority community.

2. Even hijab is worn in assembly

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And people from all communities have their freedom in assembly contrary to what poster is trying to suggest.

Think you bro, have lost it. Take a break on this thread and comeback with some better responses later.
 
Think you bro, have lost it. Take a break on this thread and comeback with some better responses later.

A poster posts image of 1 person from a minority community in assembly.

I have posted another picture from another minority community in assembly.

Think about it, how do these two pictures make any point related to this thread.
 
A poster posts image of 1 person from a minority community in assembly.

I have posted another picture from another minority community in assembly.

Think about it, how do these two pictures make any point related to this thread.

You are telling me that a naked person sitting in front of a parliament versus a Muslim woman covering her hair are somehow equivalent?
 
You are telling me that a naked person sitting in front of a parliament versus a Muslim woman covering her hair are somehow equivalent?

Point being there is no dress code in parliament unlike schools. That dosent mean someone can come naked in parliament but its a false equivalence that look just bcoz people can come to parliament in any attire, it must be allowed in schools as well.

Schools in Karnataka want to strictly adopt dress code and they want everyone to adhere to the rules. People who are not happy raised this issue to the court asking for a religious exception. Now whatever court decides, people will follow.

This is it...thats the story. Rest all is just sensesalization.
 
If there is a dress code prescribed by an institute, you honor that. Plain and simple.

If outside of those premises people are trying to tell you what to wear, it is a problem.

Plain and simple clarity that’s easy to grasp.
 
Point being there is no dress code in parliament unlike schools. That dosent mean someone can come naked in parliament but its a false equivalence that look just bcoz people can come to parliament in any attire, it must be allowed in schools as well.

Schools in Karnataka want to strictly adopt dress code and they want everyone to adhere to the rules. People who are not happy raised this issue to the court asking for a religious exception. Now whatever court decides, people will follow.

This is it...thats the story. Rest all is just sensesalization.

Doesn the Indian constitution give the right to everyone to practice, profess and propagate their religion freely?

Why are women allowed to cover their heads in other schools? Why not this one?
 
“Rape capital” is the phrase :) but go on ,I expect other petty insults from you.

Facts do not care about feelings. You tried twice and were incompetent and hopeless in defending your country, India. Then again, you fled ‘incredible’ India. Why?

Save the pedantry for someone who cares.
 
'Reprehensible act': Pakistan summons Indian envoy over hijab ban in Karnataka schools

Pakistan on Wednesday deplored the "reprehensible act" of banning Muslim students from wearing hijab in the Indian state of Karnataka and summoned the Indian envoy to convey Islamabad's concerns.

Students at a government-run high school in the Indian state were told not to wear hijabs last month, an edict that soon spread to other educational institutions in the state. A hijab-clad student was also heckled and jeered at by a mob of Hindutva supporters in Karnataka on Tuesday.

In a statement issued today, the Foreign Office (FO) said that the Indian Charge d'Affaires was summoned to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and was conveyed the government's "grave concern and condemnation on the deeply reprehensible act" of banning Muslim students from wearing hijab in Karnataka.

"The Charge d’ Affaires was urged to convey to the government of India Pakistan’s extreme concern over the anti-hijab campaign, being spearheaded by RSS-BJP combine in Karnataka, which is part of its larger exclusionist and majoritarian agenda aimed at dehumanising and demonising Muslim women," the FO said.

The Indian diplomat was also conveyed Pakistan's concern that religious intolerance, negative stereotyping, stigmatisation and discrimination against Muslims was continuing unabated almost two years after the 2020 Delhi riots, which claimed the lives of 50 Muslims.

"The government of Pakistan is also alarmed at the deafening silence of the BJP leadership and the absence of discernable action against Hindutva proponents openly calling for [the] genocide of Muslims at the recently held Dharam Sansad in Haridwar, Uttarakhand," the statement said, referring to calls for the mass killing of Muslims by Hindutva leaders in India.

It was emphasised to the Indian envoy that the government of India must fulfil its responsibility to hold the perpetrators of harassment against women in Karnataka to account and take adequate measures to ensure the safety, security and well-being of Muslim women, the statement added.

"He was further urged to impress upon the government of India to take immediate action against [the] perpetrators and abettors of anti-Muslim violence in [the] Indian states of Assam, Tripura, Gurugram and Uttarakhand and bring justice to the victims of [the] Delhi riots," the FO said.

Pakistan also called on the international community, including the United Nations and the organisation of Islamic Cooperation, to take notice of the "worrying level of Islamophobia in India" and prevail upon Indian authorities to prevent systematic human rights violations against minorities in the country.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1674190/r...ian-envoy-over-hijab-ban-in-karnataka-schools

India should close down the High commission. Pakistan has no business telling us what we allow or don't allow in our country. Its none of their business.
 
This is sadly and pathetically hilarious.

So the place where the so called secular constitution is debated and made into law, people are allowed to be naked due to their religious beliefs but the general population get bent out of shape over a hijab.

Even hijab is allowed in the assembly. Assembly doesn't have a uniform dress code.
 
India should close down the High commission. Pakistan has no business telling us what we allow or don't allow in our country. Its none of their business.

I do agree its not an issue for Paksitan to get involved in.

However, closing down the commission is a bit extreme.

Your automatic reaction to everything is close down or boycott. The indian side could listen and firmly and politely reject what Pakistan has to say. Thats the way diplomacy works.
 
Doesn the Indian constitution give the right to everyone to practice, profess and propagate their religion freely?

Why are women allowed to cover their heads in other schools? Why not this one?

When you are in a institution you follow its rules. There are dress codes that need to followed. Every school is allowed to have its dress code. If one doesn't agree with it, he or she is free to leave that institution.
 
I do agree its not an issue for Paksitan to get involved in.

However, closing down the commission is a bit extreme.

Your automatic reaction to everything is close down or boycott. The indian side could listen and firmly and politely reject what Pakistan has to say. Thats the way diplomacy works.

Thanks but this high commission solves no purpose.

A clean break in relations for next 25 years may give the next generation a clean slate to work with and not carry the baggage that we have.
 
I know this thread is at a boiling point.

As a Pakistani I would like to focus on protecting minorities in Pakistan rather than fight for Indian minorities, as a lot of work needs to be done in this area.

Full credit to that muslim Indian lady though and also relieved that the goony crowd did not attack her physically.
 
When you are in a institution you follow its rules. There are dress codes that need to followed. Every school is allowed to have its dress code. If one doesn't agree with it, he or she is free to leave that institution.

Why does this school have this ruling?

India isnt the UK or Miami, most women are modestly dressed in or out of instituations.

Lets hope they change the ruling, realising who they are .
 
Why does this school have this ruling?

India isnt the UK or Miami, most women are modestly dressed in or out of instituations.

Lets hope they change the ruling, realising who they are .

Many schools have such rules. My school too had this rule. No hijab, no tika, no sacred thread on the wrist, no visible religious ornaments.

Same in the missionary school my cousins studied in.
 
Why does this school have this ruling?

India isnt the UK or Miami, most women are modestly dressed in or out of instituations.

Lets hope they change the ruling, realising who they are .

This is what happens when you want to comment on things with superficial knowledge of local customary norms using your biased lens.

Its very simple. Many schools in India have a uniform. Me and my 2 sister siblings studied in a catholic school with strict uniform discipline. Missing tie or unbuttoned shirt or mismatching socks color or shoes would be a violation resulting in a bad remark on your handbook to be acknowledged and signed by your parent. Even some of the colleges have uniform standard.

When you seek admission to these institutions, you agree to abide by its rules and regulations. Similar to how I see my posts deleted by moderators here if they think it violates your policies. There is nothing more to it than that. It is fair, generalized institutional dress-code policy consistent across religions. Everyone wants to politicize this as it may suit them or for some re-affirm their existence and the actions of their forefathers.
 
This is what happens when you want to comment on things with superficial knowledge of local customary norms using your biased lens.

Its very simple. Many schools in India have a uniform. Me and my 2 sister siblings studied in a catholic school with strict uniform discipline. Missing tie or unbuttoned shirt or mismatching socks color or shoes would be a violation resulting in a bad remark on your handbook to be acknowledged and signed by your parent. Even some of the colleges have uniform standard.

When you seek admission to these institutions, you agree to abide by its rules and regulations. Similar to how I see my posts deleted by moderators here if they think it violates your policies. There is nothing more to it than that. It is fair, generalized institutional dress-code policy consistent across religions. Everyone wants to politicize this as it may suit them or for some re-affirm their existence and the actions of their forefathers.

^^ lol hahha ... this entire post ... what a piece of hogwash.
Clutching to the straws, aren't we?

I mean, so much for "superficial knowledge" :D

Here it is from the school's dress code guidelines

 
^^ lol hahha ... this entire post ... what a piece of hogwash.
Clutching to the straws, aren't we?

I mean, so much for "superficial knowledge" :D

Here it is from the school's dress code guidelines


Link please? If this is true, then the girl seems to be within her rights. Even otherwise, I do think she should be allowed an exception if the religion mandates it.

My argument was to call out those who think there is persecution and bias for any religion. The south of India is one of the most peaceful/accommodative places for Muslims around the world.
 
Quite bizarre, seen the footage. Must say quite a frightening scene. Lone girl surrounded by so many men.
 
This is what happens when you want to comment on things with superficial knowledge of local customary norms using your biased lens.

Its very simple. Many schools in India have a uniform. Me and my 2 sister siblings studied in a catholic school with strict uniform discipline. Missing tie or unbuttoned shirt or mismatching socks color or shoes would be a violation resulting in a bad remark on your handbook to be acknowledged and signed by your parent. Even some of the colleges have uniform standard.

When you seek admission to these institutions, you agree to abide by its rules and regulations. Similar to how I see my posts deleted by moderators here if they think it violates your policies. There is nothing more to it than that. It is fair, generalized institutional dress-code policy consistent across religions. Everyone wants to politicize this as it may suit them or for some re-affirm their existence and the actions of their forefathers.

The rule no headscarf is idiotic in one of the most religous nations in history.

School seems to think its location is in Paris.
 
Malala has condemned a “horrifying” ban on female students wearing the hijab to school in the southern Indian state of Karnataka, as schools there shut for three days following violent clashes between protesting Muslims and Hindu mobs.

Groups of Hindus were filmed storming school campuses around the state and raising saffron flags, a colour considered holy in Hinduism, while Muslim students fled, causing condemnation from neighbouring Pakistan.

At least 18 people were arrested Tuesday in the town of Banahatti after groups of Muslims and Hindus clashed and threw stones, according to the Indian media. Tear gas and baton charges were also deployed to break up demonstrations in several towns and cities.

“Refusing to let girls go to school in their hijabs is horrifying,” wrote Malala Yousafzai, Nobel laureate and women’s education activist on Tuesday evening. “Objectification of women persists – for wearing less or more.”

Ms Yousafzai added India’s Hindu nationalist ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) must stop the “marginalisation of Muslim women” to avoid further intercommunal conflict.

A group of Muslim girls began a sit-in protest at their college in the city of Udupi in January after their principal refused to let them attend lessons while wearing the hijab.

The incident resulted in the BJP-ruled Karnataka state government passing legislation to enforce this rule across the state and other schools then followed suit.

India’s ruling Hindu nationalist BJP is accused of implementing a string of Islamophobic policies and stoking violence against India’s Muslim and Christian minorities.

“Depriving Muslim girls of an education is a grave violation of fundemental human rights. To deny anyone this fundemental right and terrorise them for wearing a hijab is absolutely oppressive,” commented Pakistan’s foreign minister, Shah Mahmood Qureshi, who also objected to the continued “ghettoisation” of India’s Muslim minority.

Over the last week, protests against the ban have intensified and groups of Muslim women had begun protesting outside schools across the state, leading to the large counter protests from Hindu groups.

Schools were closed across the state on Wednesday for three days on the order of the state government in an attempt to reduce unrest.

With Muslims constituting just 14 percent of Karnataka’s population, many female Muslims students say they had already decided to stay home out of fears of being harassed or attacked by large Hindu mobs.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...ent-clashes-in-india/ar-AATEA3Y?ocid=msedgntp
 
Link please? If this is true, then the girl seems to be within her rights. Even otherwise, I do think she should be allowed an exception if the religion mandates it.

My argument was to call out those who think there is persecution and bias for any religion. The south of India is one of the most peaceful/accommodative places for Muslims around the world.

The whole issue started because right wing hindu males complained that if Muslims could wear Hijab then they should be allowed to wear a saffron scarf.

The school bowed to pressure from these right wing goons and unfairly withdrew the right of the girls to wear the hijab so that the hindu extremists would not turn violent.
 
Even hijab is allowed in the assembly. Assembly doesn't have a uniform dress code.

That is the point, assembly, where laws are written do not have any rules on clothing but rules are placed on citizens.

If one group of people are allowed to wear a religious attire then by default others are too.
If Sikh are allowed to wear them then any other groups too.

Uniform code, in a secular country mean, the uniform + whatever one wants to wear according to their religion - a text book example of secularism.

India is royally messing up secularism.
 
Thanks but this high commission solves no purpose.

A clean break in relations for next 25 years may give the next generation a clean slate to work with and not carry the baggage that we have.


Not the solution and very unlikely to happen.
 
Tell me one such example.My post is relevant because I am pointing out the hypocrisy.

But why are you focusing on Pakistan on this issue ? I have been critical of Pakistan as anyone especially when it comes to minorities but no need to get so triggerd over any topic that doesn’t include Pakistan.

Maybe you find it too hard to criticise another country and their fascistic turning but you can criticise both, it’s not that hard.
 
I can understand banning the burka to an extent but banning the hijab is stupid and short sighted because India is not Europe as India has as many Muslims as Pakistan does.

Why on earth you want to alienate your significant minority population over some girls wearing some cloth over their heads in a college or school is ridiculously petty.

But I will give the right wing India media and BJP government credit as they seem to have learnt the art of getting their population distracted to focus on culture wars instead of delivering on the economic promises they made.
 
The whole issue started because right wing hindu males complained that if Muslims could wear Hijab then they should be allowed to wear a saffron scarf.

The school bowed to pressure from these right wing goons and unfairly withdrew the right of the girls to wear the hijab so that the hindu extremists would not turn violent.

The hindu scarfs came out to illicit enforcement of equality and expose unfairness. The demand may be wrong if hijab falls within the rules.
 
The rule no headscarf is idiotic in one of the most religous nations in history.

School seems to think its location is in Paris.

Again, very uninformed. Many(read a lot) schools around in India are Christian missinary schools who brought and created the uniform culture from the west. It then started becoming a norm even with non missionary schools. Even the public accepted and embrassed it.

My children go to schools in USA. I for one would prefer if they had uniforms.
 
Again, very uninformed. Many(read a lot) schools around in India are Christian missinary schools who brought and created the uniform culture from the west. It then started becoming a norm even with non missionary schools. Even the public accepted and embrassed it.

My children go to schools in USA. I for one would prefer if they had uniforms.

Indian troops at the Wagah border also wear western dress instead of the tradtional dress Pakistani's troops wear.

It doesnt matter where unforms orginated.

My point was India's constitution grants freedom of religion in society. Women in India cant walk the streets with short skirts, they would be harrased . We both know how females are treated in India. Therefore in line with the constitution and with Indian misogynistic culture, its only right headscarfs are allowed in schools/colleges.

Sure they should take this to court.

What you want in America has nothing to do with the topic.
 
Indian troops at the Wagah border also wear western dress instead of the tradtional dress Pakistani's troops wear.

It doesnt matter where unforms orginated.

My point was India's constitution grants freedom of religion in society. Women in India cant walk the streets with short skirts, they would be harrased . We both know how females are treated in India. Therefore in line with the constitution and with Indian misogynistic culture, its only right headscarfs are allowed in schools/colleges.

Sure they should take this to court.

What you want in America has nothing to do with the topic.
This would surely be your perception if you read wapo/nyt/bbc etc. that Indian women cant dress at will. The same west which cant come to terms with the fact how a former colony has a competant space program. The problem with west is their love for homogenity. India is as diverse as the rest of the world combined. You can form an opinion and you would find that use case in India. But assumimg it for generalization would be insincere and fradulent.

Coming to rules, they have nothing to do with "India" these are rules of an institution. You think they should be more flexible. Thats your opinion. The school has the right to enforce uniform like in sports, public services etc. There is enough flexibility in Indian constitution to allow religious exemptions. The process needs to be followed.
 
This would surely be your perception if you read wapo/nyt/bbc etc. that Indian women cant dress at will. The same west which cant come to terms with the fact how a former colony has a competant space program. The problem with west is their love for homogenity. India is as diverse as the rest of the world combined. You can form an opinion and you would find that use case in India. But assumimg it for generalization would be insincere and fradulent.

Coming to rules, they have nothing to do with "India" these are rules of an institution. You think they should be more flexible. Thats your opinion. The school has the right to enforce uniform like in sports, public services etc. There is enough flexibility in Indian constitution to allow religious exemptions. The process needs to be followed.

I probably know more Indians than you do. Women in India cannot dress in short skirts to walk down the main streets of cities, they would be harrased , ogggled at , possibly even sexually assualted. Indians are not like westeners, they are not ready for women to dress in not much clothing. I think youre confusing India with Innsbruck , Austria.

Its not me thinking anything, its your constitution which guarantees freedom of religion.

Perhaps you could explain the dozens of men with saffron flags intimadating one single woman? If you address this , you will understand the ISSUE is actually of Hindu extremists hating on Muslims which made the school force these ladies to stop wearing their headscarf. Now the school is scared to change their mind. Do you support them or are you a supporter of the RSS?
 
My point was India's constitution grants freedom of religion in society. Women in India cant walk the streets with short skirts, they would be harrased ..

100% agree.

However not sure how wearing a headscarf fixes that issue?

To think that only women who wear revealing outfits get raped is the height of ignorance.

Anyways going back to the first point, no one cares if women wear burqas or hijab in any permissible setting.

Let me try again, some places ban burka because they are potential security risk. Need I explain why?

Schools especially schools in india have uniform code. Let me tell you the point of having a uniform, the principle behind it is everyone is the same regardless of caste and religion.My school wouldn’t even allow any jewelry. except earrings for girls I believe. That’s about it. Even watches unless its an exam were not allowed and that too only the analog kind.

For a Sikh it is mandatory to wear a turban. Hijab is not mandatory in Islam. As simple as that. In fact I went to school with lot of Muslims, some of them lived in the same apartments as me, I never ever saw any girls I went to school with or the girls/women in Muslim families I knew ever wear a Hijab leave alone a Burka.
 
I probably know more Indians than you do. Women in India cannot dress in short skirts to walk down the main streets of cities, they would be harrased , ogggled at , possibly even sexually assualted. Indians are not like westeners, they are not ready for women to dress in not much clothing. I think youre confusing India with Innsbruck , Austria.
Lol! you are telling this to an Indian citizen. Height of prejudice, delusions and false presumptions.
 
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100% agree.

However not sure how wearing a headscarf fixes that issue?

To think that only women who wear revealing outfits get raped is the height of ignorance.

Anyways going back to the first point, no one cares if women wear burqas or hijab in any permissible setting.

Let me try again, some places ban burka because they are potential security risk. Need I explain why?

Schools especially schools in india have uniform code. Let me tell you the point of having a uniform, the principle behind it is everyone is the same regardless of caste and religion.My school wouldn’t even allow any jewelry. except earrings for girls I believe. That’s about it. Even watches unless its an exam were not allowed and that too only the analog kind.

For a Sikh it is mandatory to wear a turban. Hijab is not mandatory in Islam. As simple as that. In fact I went to school with lot of Muslims, some of them lived in the same apartments as me, I never ever saw any girls I went to school with or the girls/women in Muslim families I knew ever wear a Hijab leave alone a Burka.

Well guess what, I watch cricket on TV and never seen Yuvraj Singh, Ravi Bopara or Ish Sodhi wear a turban. Must mean Turbans aren't mandatory.
 
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Genuine question - if the Muslim girls decided to cover their head in a way that resembled a turban that sikhs wear.

Do you think the saffron goons would say its ok?

To say that one method is allowed in uniform and the other isn't, is just disingenuous.

Their problem, and the problem with Indian posters here is not with uniforms. They are happy for certain beliefs to not have to follow 'uniform guidelines'

Their problem is Islam full stop.
 
For a Sikh it is mandatory to wear a turban. Hijab is not mandatory in Islam. As simple as that. In fact I went to school with lot of Muslims, some of them lived in the same apartments as me, I never ever saw any girls I went to school with or the girls/women in Muslim families I knew ever wear a Hijab leave alone a Burka.

It is mandatory, why do you think there is such a furore going on over it. Five time salah is also mandatory but not every Muslim fulfilling it likewise not all females will don the hijab.

But the main point is who are we to decide what is mandatory and what is not? If these girls feel it is mandatory for them then that is enough. It is important for them and they should be allowed to exercise that right.

I would not question anything that a Hindu, Sikh, Jew or Christian etc feels is mandatory for them.
 
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100% agree.

However not sure how wearing a headscarf fixes that issue?

To think that only women who wear revealing outfits get raped is the height of ignorance.

Anyways going back to the first point, no one cares if women wear burqas or hijab in any permissible setting.

Let me try again, some places ban burka because they are potential security risk. Need I explain why?

Schools especially schools in india have uniform code. Let me tell you the point of having a uniform, the principle behind it is everyone is the same regardless of caste and religion.My school wouldn’t even allow any jewelry. except earrings for girls I believe. That’s about it. Even watches unless its an exam were not allowed and that too only the analog kind.

For a Sikh it is mandatory to wear a turban. Hijab is not mandatory in Islam. As simple as that. In fact I went to school with lot of Muslims, some of them lived in the same apartments as me, I never ever saw any girls I went to school with or the girls/women in Muslim families I knew ever wear a Hijab leave alone a Burka.

I went to a private school in America. We wore uniforms. We had a few Muslim girls that went to my school and they were allowed to wear hijab (headscarf) on top of the uniform. All they did was wear looser fitting versions of the uniform and it would be full-sleeved. I really don't see the issue of wearing a hijab lol. Also in regards to hijab being mandatory...depends on who you ask. A lot of Muslims (most if not all scholars )will say it is mandatory. So that refutes your point about the Sikh turban being allowed and not the hijab. Lastly, no one in my mother's or father's family wore a hijab back in Pakistan. My sister who grew up here in the states chose to wear it on her own accord. It is a personal decision.
 
It is mandatory, why do you think there is such a furore going on over it. Five time salah is also mandatory but not every Muslim fulfilling it likewise not all females will don the hijab.

But the main point is who are we to decide what is mandatory and what is not? If these girls feel it is mandatory for them then that is enough. It is important for them and they should be allowed to exercise that right.

I would not question anything that a Hindu, Sikh, Jew or Christian etc feels is mandatory for them.

Perfect. Thats exactly what the Hindus are asking. If Muslims are exempted to practice their beliefs in non religious schools, Hindus should be allowed too.

Thanks for advocating for fairness.
 
Perfect. Thats exactly what the Hindus are asking. If Muslims are exempted to practice their beliefs in non religious schools, Hindus should be allowed too.

Thanks for advocating for fairness.

Well, don't want to blow my own trumpet but I am a fair and reasonable guy. :afridi

Why, what's up with the Hindus? I thought this issue was about denying Muslim school girls their right to cover their hair/hijab.
 
Perfect. Thats exactly what the Hindus are asking. If Muslims are exempted to practice their beliefs in non religious schools, Hindus should be allowed too.

Thanks for advocating for fairness.

Why aren't the Hindus using sikhs as an example?

I saw mostly males shouting and jeering at the innocent females.

If they want fairness is it not logical that as males they should use the example of male sikhs in Turbans?
 
Why aren't the Hindus using sikhs as an example?

I saw mostly males shouting and jeering at the innocent females.

If they want fairness is it not logical that as males they should use the example of male sikhs in Turbans?
Sikhs have a court ruling in their favor. They showed (and it is quite obvious in India and even abroad) that it is mandatory in their religion.
 
Well, don't want to blow my own trumpet but I am a fair and reasonable guy. :afridi

Why, what's up with the Hindus? I thought this issue was about denying Muslim school girls their right to cover their hair/hijab.

Indians (and Hindus if you think) have no problem with any religion. The protest here is about minority appeasement which in this case happens to be Muslim minority since they are the largest and have been appeased the most so far.

Yes, you will be amazed to see how well the Muslim minority has been unfairly privileged in India quite the opposite of what Pakistan founders and the public would like to imagine.
 
Sikhs have a court ruling in their favor. They showed (and it is quite obvious in India and even abroad) that it is mandatory in their religion.

Sikhs aren't demonised like Muslims, that essentially is the crux of the matter. From beef, allegedly spreading corona, reading salah out in the open, and now hijab issue.
 
Sikhs aren't demonised like Muslims, that essentially is the crux of the matter. From beef, allegedly spreading corona, reading salah out in the open, and now hijab issue.
Thats because some muslims (like this girl, if she is breaking rules) feel entitled to unreasonable special privileges. That hasnt been the case with "any" other community.

Dont mean to pollute this thread, but there have been many such instances of unrest with Muslims even in more liberal western democratic countries on the same lines. So nothing surprising in that sense.
 
^^ lol hahha ... this entire post ... what a piece of hogwash.
Clutching to the straws, aren't we?

I mean, so much for "superficial knowledge" :D

Here it is from the school's dress code guidelines


Link please? If this is true, then the girl seems to be within her rights. Even otherwise, I do think she should be allowed an exception if the religion mandates it.

My argument was to call out those who think there is persecution and bias for any religion. The south of India is one of the most peaceful/accommodative places for Muslims around the world.

Irrespective of whether it's a genuine copy of rules from the same school, it might come up as a surprise to many people, but hijab wasn't banned inside the campus by the school.

If you go by this thread and read social media, you will feel that hijab was banned all over India everywhere which isn't the case.

At best you will feel that hijab is banned inside the campus which isn't the case. Even the students were protesting inside the school campus initially, not on roads.
 
New Delhi: All India Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen (AIMIM) President Asaduddin Owaisi on Wednesday spoke to the hijab-clad student who was heckled by boys wearing saffron scarves in a viral video from Karnataka that has triggered massive outrage.
Mr Owaisi said that that her act of fearlessness has become a source of courage for all.

"Spoke to Muskan and her family on call. Prayed for her to remain steadfast in her commitment to education while also exercising her freedom of religion and choice. I conveyed that her act of fearlessness has become a source of courage for us all," tweeted the AIMIM leader from Hyderabad.

The AIMIM leader appreciated her parents for her unapologetic upbringing.

He tweeted, "Also appreciated her parents for her unapologetic upbringing. Coincidentally, I had the honour of meeting her father at a function during my campaign in 2018 Karnataka Assembly elections for JD(S)."

A video that showed Muskan getting heckled on her arrival at her college in Karnataka wearing a hijab by saffron-clad students was widely shared a day ago, sparking an outcry.

The standoff over hijabs in the Karnataka began in January this year when some students at the Government Girls PU college in Udupi district in Karnataka alleged that they had been barred from attending classes. During the protests, some students claimed they were denied entry into the college for wearing hijab.

The pre-University education board had released a circular stating that students can wear only the uniform approved by the school administration and no other religious practices will be allowed in colleges.

Following these protests, a three-day holiday from February 9 has been declared in all the universities under the Department of Higher Education and colleges under the department of Collegiate and Technical Education (DCTE).

On Tuesday, the Karnataka High Court also appealed to the student community and the public at large to maintain peace and tranquillity while hearing various pleas challenging a ban on hijab in the state.

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Karnataka High Court's single bench of Justice Krishna Dixit referred petitions challenging the ban on hijab in colleges to a larger bench on Wednesday.

The Court also said that a plea relating to seeking interim relief will also be considered by a larger bench.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/owa...arlessness-2758949#pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories
 
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Text in poster reads

First Hijab, then Kitaab (book).

Every precious object has it's value inside purdah (veil).


This is how protest is going on.

Can anyone knowledgable person confirm if those images used in posters are of hijab?
 
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Should be done for indecent exposure, don't think anybody wants to see this guy's bits hanging out.

So, to answer your question, I guess public nudity is not an issue in India, but wearing clothes that properly cover oneself as their own liking is an issue.
 
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So, to answer your question, I guess public nudity is not an issue in India, but wearing clothes that properly cover oneself as their own liking is an issue.

No even later is not an issue. If anyone tells you that later is an issue, they are lying.

And you think that those who don't cover hair are improper?
 
Guys

Whilst some may find it odd, people of Hindu fate do not see anything wrong with some of the behaviours we are talking about.

Best to respect all in this debate.
 
What happened?

1 school admin wanted students to remove hijab inside the classroom, allowed in all areas inside campus except classroom.

No govt decision, no state ruling. Just 1 school forming it's own rule. Other schools where hijab were allowed, continued to do so. 100s of students accepted the school rule, 6 students protested.

Lies being propagated in forums and social media:

1. India has banned hijab.

Counter - multiple examples of what has been allowed elsewhere, when hijab is similarly allowed.

2. India has banned hijab in schools - again it wasn't the case.

3. RW govt has banned hijab in schools - again not the case, state didn't even pass any ruling and left it to schools to frame their own rules.

What people wanted to fight for?
Right to wear hijab in classrooms in 1 college.

What are they fighting for?
Right to wear hijab in India.
 
Guys

Whilst some may find it odd, people of Hindu fate do not see anything wrong with some of the behaviours we are talking about.

Best to respect all in this debate.

I am not sure if this has been missed.

There are multiple religions apart from Hinduism, Islam in India.

Some of odd behaviors mentioned here are not from people of Hindu fate.
 
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Religions followed in India (in case people don't have an idea)

Hinduism
Islam
Sikhism
Christianity
Jainism
Buddhism
Judaism
Zoroastrianism
 
AIMIM chief Asaduddin Owaisi told Pakistan to mind its own business as the country's foreign minister commented on girl education in India over Karnataka hijab row.

Addressing a poll rally in Uttar Pradesh, AIMIM chief Asaduddin Owaisi told the neighbours to mind their own business. Owaisi said that the country which could not protect Malala should not lecture India on girl education.

"Pakistan should not lecture India on girl education. Malala was shot there. They failed to provide security to their girls and are now lecturing India," he said.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">Listen into <a href="https://twitter.com/asadowaisi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@asadowaisi</a> tearing into <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> Imran Khan govt's hypocrisy lecturing India on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Hijabrow?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Hijabrow</a> in Karnataka<br>“‘’हमारा घर का मसला -टांग मत अड़ाओ, ज़ख़्मी हो जाओगे ‘’ <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HijabisOurRight?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HijabisOurRight</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KarnatakaHijabRow?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KarnatakaHijabRow</a> <a href="https://t.co/KEyof23fed">pic.twitter.com/KEyof23fed</a></p>— Milan Sharma (@Milan_reports) <a href="https://twitter.com/Milan_reports/status/1491363127791079427?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...-hijab-row-pakistan-malala-1910859-2022-02-09
 
During CAA also, owasi has spoken about Pakistan not to get involve as it is a domestic matter and Indian Muslims can handle it on their own without any interference from others.
 
AIMIM chief Asaduddin Owaisi told Pakistan to mind its own business as the country's foreign minister commented on girl education in India over Karnataka hijab row.

Addressing a poll rally in Uttar Pradesh, AIMIM chief Asaduddin Owaisi told the neighbours to mind their own business. Owaisi said that the country which could not protect Malala should not lecture India on girl education.

"Pakistan should not lecture India on girl education. Malala was shot there. They failed to provide security to their girls and are now lecturing India," he said.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">Listen into <a href="https://twitter.com/asadowaisi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@asadowaisi</a> tearing into <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> Imran Khan govt's hypocrisy lecturing India on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Hijabrow?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Hijabrow</a> in Karnataka<br>“‘’हमारा घर का मसला -टांग मत अड़ाओ, ज़ख़्मी हो जाओगे ‘’ <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HijabisOurRight?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HijabisOurRight</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KarnatakaHijabRow?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KarnatakaHijabRow</a> <a href="https://t.co/KEyof23fed">pic.twitter.com/KEyof23fed</a></p>— Milan Sharma (@Milan_reports) <a href="https://twitter.com/Milan_reports/status/1491363127791079427?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...-hijab-row-pakistan-malala-1910859-2022-02-09

Good on Owaisi. This is how the world should respond to Pakistan!
 
Thats because some muslims (like this girl, if she is breaking rules) feel entitled to unreasonable special privileges. That hasnt been the case with "any" other community.

Dont mean to pollute this thread, but there have been many such instances of unrest with Muslims even in more liberal western democratic countries on the same lines. So nothing surprising in that sense.

After a lot of vitriol, we get to the crux of the reason behind your posts in favour of retracting women rights.

For you its really nothing about uniforms, Sikhs, court rulings - it's a manifestation of your belief about Muslims that allows you to tolerate double standards and discrimination.
 
At the end of the day, the question will be whether wearing a hijab is essential. If the essential prescription is to dress modestly then it may not make make hijab a necessity, and make a non hijabi a non muslim.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chief Justice : We are ready to decide the issue at the earliest. But we feel that peace and tranquillity should be restored. Till decision, you should not insist for wearing these religious clothes which are not conducive.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Hijab?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Hijab</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KarnatakaHighCourt?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KarnatakaHighCourt</a></p>— Live Law (@LiveLawIndia) <a href="https://twitter.com/LiveLawIndia/status/1491732926173970434?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Interim order of the karnataka high court.
 
Congress mindset behind hijab row: Karnataka BJP Chief

Alleging that the mindset behind the hijab row is that of the Congress, Karnataka BJP President Nalin Kumar Kateel on Thursday said as part of the grand old party's '*******', an attempt is on to create a wrong impression about India at the world stage.

He also hit out at the Congress' state President D K Shivakumar, accusing him of spreading lies and inciting people.

"As part of the Congress' *******, an attempt is on to create a wrong impression about India at the world stage. It is part of a systematic conspiracy to disturb communal harmony," Kateel said in a video statement.

"For political reasons and due to selfish motives, the Congress is trying to undermine India's dignity before the world," he said, adding that the mindset behind the hijab row is Congress' and it is 'dangerous.' The Member of Parliament from Dakshina Kannada was reacting to Shivakumar's claims that students hoisted saffron flag by replacing the tricolour at the Government First Grade College in Shivamogga, during an anti-hijab protest on Tuesday. (PTI)
 
Hijab row hearing adjourned till February 14

Karnataka High Court bench adjourned the hearing of the petitions on the Hijab issue to February 14. The court ordered students to not wear any cloth, whether Hijab or Saffron scarves, which can instigate people, till the matter is resolved.
 
Something curious happened today. The hearing at the Karnataka HC was scheduled at 2.30 pm.

Today congress politician and lawyer Kapil Sibal went to the Supreme Court and asked them to hear the matter by a 9 judge supreme court bench.

Ofcourse SC refused and ask him to wait till the HC disposes of the matter.

Seems congress wanted to delay the matter for as long as possible to take political advantage in Karnataka. The insinuation that this matter is political and congress along with PFI is involved.
 
Good on Owaisi. This is how the world should respond to Pakistan!

You are yet to apologize for blaming Pakistani on this thread for your fantasy and considering how vocal you are about minorities you are yet to condemn India.

You were very vocal at defending Malala, your fellow countrymen called ridiculous names to her and you haven't even condemn that yet.

I'd say ill hold my breath for you to condemn but we have already seen through you :) lol
 
I know many female in the west who would give up on any and everything just to protect their modesty.

The hindutva brigade are deciding how a Muslim should practice.

They have reduced Hijab to compulsory, mandatory, minority appeasement etc, when the ranking for Hijab for a Muslim female is far greater than that.

Bless to live in a country where Muslims aren't forced and coerced by threat, violence, and morphed secularism which veiled their hate for the Muslim
 
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I know many female in the west who would give up on any and everything just to protect their modesty.

The hindutva brigade are deciding how a Muslim should practice.

They have reduced Hijab to compulsory, mandatory, minority appeasement etc, when the ranking for Hijab for a Muslim female is far greater than that.

Bless to live in a country where Muslims aren't forced and coerced by threat, violence, and morphed secularism which veiled their hate for the Muslim

If something isnt mandatory, it isn't protected by article 25 of the constitution.

Good that you are happy with where you live. But if you are so happy why is that you are so interested in India.
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-60328864

<b>Hijab row: The Indian woman who is the face of the fight to wear headscarf</b>

Muskaan Khan has inadvertently become the face of resistance for young Indian Muslim women amid an escalating row over hijabs, or headscarves.

In a video that has gone viral, the 19-year-old student can be seen entering her college as a mob of men approach her.

Wearing saffron shawls - a colour associated with Hinduism and Hindu nationalist groups - they started shouting "Jai Shri Ram" or "victory to Lord Ram".

As they continued to heckle her, Ms Khan, who was wearing a hijab and a face mask along with a long black gown, stood her ground - she shouted "Allahu Akbar" (God is great) in return.

Soon, college authorities escorted her inside.

"All that I want is to stand by my rights and education," she told the BBC from her home in Karnataka state's Mandya city, where the video was shot.

"I have no problems with what they wear," she said, adding people can wear saffron stoles or turbans to college, just like she wore the hijab.

Ms Khan and millions of Muslim women in India wear the hijab and the burka every day - but the choice has turned controversial in recent weeks.

It started when students at a pre-university college, equivalent to a high school, in Karnataka's Udupi district, began protesting last month over a ban on headscarves - the college said students could wear the hijab on campus but not in the classroom.

The issue has since snowballed as other schools began implementing a similar ban - and has taken on communal overtones with supporters of Hindu nationalist groups launching protests in support of the ban.

As protests turned violent in some places, the Karnataka government closed high schools and colleges - and the matter has even reached the state's high court.

A three-judge constitutional bench is set to hear the case on Thursday.

Meanwhile, campuses appear to be polarised with Hindu students turning up wearing saffron scarves.

Ms Khan, the daughter of a local businessman, alleges that in her case, the situation was orchestrated mostly by men who were "outsiders" and not students or classmates.

"I reached my college to attend class and found that there were a lot of youngsters wearing saffron stoles," she said.

"They blocked my path and said that I could not enter the college premises."

When she reached the gate, she said she saw three or four students, who were wearing burkas, being turned away by the young men.

"They were holding their scarves and were shouting Jai Sri Ram. They told me to remove my hijab and only then would I be allowed inside my college. They threatened me."

But Ms Khan said she was determined to fight back.

She parked her scooter and proceeded to her class, when, she said, "some 30-40 youngsters" came towards her, shouting "Jai Shri Ram".

"Once again, they told me to remove my hijab if I want to go inside," she said.

"Yes, I did scream Allahu Akbar. When I get scared, I call out to Allah and it gives me strength."

It was then that the principal and teachers came rushing out and escorted her inside.
Ms Khan says she is happy to see the appreciation she has received on social media:

"So much love they are giving me and it gives me so much strength. I thank them very very much."

She also makes it clear that she is "not differentiating between Hindus and Muslims".

"These boys were not allowing me to educate [myself] because I am wearing a hijab," she said.

"So, I am just standing up for my rights."
 
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