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West Indies [291/2] defeat India [287/8] by 8 wickets to win 1st ODI

Mesozoic said:
Our bowling is quite ordinary in white ball cricket barring Bumrah. And the constant chopping and changing has destroyed Kuldeep's rhythm. Chahal/Shami are inconsistent.
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Shami inconsistent in white ball cricket?
Fastest Indian to take 100 wickets in ODIs.
He is better than all Indian bowlers barring bumrah.
 
Indian fielding nightmare continues. Iyer drops a sitter. Hetmyer survives. You never know things can change.
 
andy0204 said:
Shami inconsistent in white ball cricket?
Fastest Indian to take 100 wickets in ODIs.
He is better than all Indian bowlers barring bumrah.
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This pitch is a slow pitch. Needs bowlers who can bowl cutters, knuckle balls. You will have ample time to stay on the backfoot and hit.
 
Did India not learn their lesson after Fakhar took Jadeja apart back in 2017? Might aswell bring Ashwin back ya numpties :))
 
I thought this grandpa Jadhav was gone for good. Don't know how the heck he came back into the side again.
 
Even last year I recommended Hetmyer for PSL, he is a destructive batsman, a new Gale.
 
andy0204 said:
Shami inconsistent in white ball cricket?
Fastest Indian to take 100 wickets in ODIs.
He is better than all Indian bowlers barring bumrah.
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He is inconsistent. Sometimes picks wickets with the new ball and sometimes doesn't. And it's a given that he'll be carted at the death.
 
moghul said:
Even last year I recommended Hetmyer for PSL, he is a destructive batsman, a new Gale.
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Even last time in India he played well. I think he created some sort of record for sixes. He has two shots. One over mid wicket. One cut through point. India just fed him right through. You can't bowl bouncers here as it is too slow.
 
ethan hunt said:
He is a quality player and the indian attavk minus Bumrah is pedestrian in white ball cricket.
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He is talented but he turns it for IPL contracts. The number of times he throws his wicket against other teams tells me where his priorities lie.
 
hetmyer well played. good to see WI presisting with this player. Pak would have dumped him labelling a hack ala Umer Akmal. Really hate the mentality taken over us during Misbah era.
 
Another one dayer at Chennai Another classic century. Another standing ovation :) repeats

Anwar 194
Chris Harris 130 same match Mark waugh 100
Tendulkar 136
 
How are india still producing such lollipop bowlers like Dube and Khaleel.
Thought Bumrah would have brought in some revolution.
 
This was genuinely an enjoyable knock. What a talent. But he is trying to hit everything. He has to be a bit more selective. Today he got away with few shots. Can't say it will work every match.
 
ethan hunt said:
How are india still producing such lollipop bowlers like Dube and Khaleel.
Thought Bumrah would have brought in some revolution.
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In the name bringing balance they are bringing in batsmen who can bowl, bowlers who can bat. They end up doing neither.
 
This is chennai. They shouldn't have chased this easily here. Two half decent spinners would have choked any opposition. Sadly Jaddu was just darting.
 
Bewal Express said:
It's seems to me that few if any of these guys actually care about winning matches. I hope he proves me wrong but I am not usually wrong on these dashers .
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He is still unreliable. Just having a good day with a dropped chance. You cannot try to hit every ball out of the park. Won't work all the time.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
He is still unreliable. Just having a good day with a dropped chance. You cannot try to hit every ball out of the park. Won't work all the time.
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I am an awe of his talent, I just find his motivations( lack of) difficult to understand. If you are this talented money will come to you, how about giving something back to your people.
 
Why are indians such sore losers ? Why don't you just admit the opposition played better than us ? I swear indians are biggest sore losers. Pathetic.
 
Hetty's such a star isn't he ? Played perhaps one of the best knocks in Chennai in an odi. Yes even comparable with anwars 194. West Indies have so many talented batsmen it's not even funny.

Otoh I don't see what the point of dubey is or jadeja in the odi team. Tinkering for no reason. The other is just a leg side tullebaaz who bowls innocuously at 120kph.
 
Hope playing anchor role to perfection. 100. He has been in beast mode oflate. I understand his slow strike rate. But he is an ideal foil for the crazy hitters WI has.
 
This is quite the thrashing. Back to the drawing board I guess. Only positive is that pant and iyer were the biggest din scorers today and we need them to.bat more in such situations. Dube isn't good enough, what is he even better at than vijay shankar who himself has a question mark over his place?
 
Can't even say wake up call lol Wake up call for what. No world cup in the near future. But it will give an idea how one bad bowling option can completely throw off the plan. THey tried to squeeze a few overs out of part timers. Batsmen got set and thrashed the regular bowlers as well.
 
Realromeo said:
Why are indians such sore losers ? Why don't you just admit the opposition played better than us ? I swear indians are biggest sore losers. Pathetic.
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jnaveen1980 said:
Nobody is a sore loser here. Everyone credited Hetmyer.
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jnaveen1980 said:
Can't even say wake up call lol Wake up call for what. No world cup in the near future. But it will give an idea how one bad bowling option can completely throw off the plan. THey tried to squeeze a few overs out of part timers. Batsmen got set and thrashed the regular bowlers as well.
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YOU are the sore loser lol.
Just look at yourself.
Excuses, excuses and even more excuses
 
Wow! I watched the last 5 overs of this game and could not believe the maturity shown by these young Windies players; Hope, Hetmyer and Pooran all are pure class.
Hopefully they can stay focussed and avoid arrogance and infighting. Will be a force in the coming T20 WC and also in the next 50 overs WC.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Can't even say wake up call lol Wake up call for what. No world cup in the near future. But it will give an idea how one bad bowling option can completely throw off the plan. THey tried to squeeze a few overs out of part timers. Batsmen got set and thrashed the regular bowlers as well.
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Sack Kohli as captain and give to Rohit in Lois.
 
Last time I saw Indian team this clueless on field was during Hafiz's onslaught in the CT. With Bumrah missing, Chahal on again off again, kuldeep struggling for form and Jadeja being a pure darter, safe to say we have issues in our attack. I am a huge admirer of Shami but I don't think he can carry the pace attack on his own with the absence off Bhuvi or Bumrah.
 
Mean&Green said:
India gonna lose this odi very badly without kohli and I just saw the bowling attack lmaoo India’s best bowler after Bumrah ain’t even playing chahal this is jokes how do u drop chahal omggg
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Yeah what did I say gonna lose this bey badly total hammering. India looks very ordinary without Bumrah in the bowling department. Plus how on earth can you drop my boy yuzi he’s India’s best bowler by far after Bumrah even look at the odi stats for the year India’s best bowler.
 
Hyperion66 said:
Last time I saw Indian team this clueless on field was during Hafiz's onslaught in the CT. With Bumrah missing, Chahal on again off again, kuldeep struggling for form and Jadeja being a pure darter, safe to say we have issues in our attack. I am a huge admirer of Shami but I don't think he can carry the pace attack on his own with the absence off Bhuvi or Bumrah.
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Kuldeep bowled well today except one or two overs. Jaddu, Dubey, Jadhav these phony all rounders let India down. Nothing to show for either with ball or bat.
 
The day WIN gets it right, they’ll kill someone. This guy Shimron probably has 6-7 hundreds and all of them in wins, most of them while chasing!!!
 
Dominating knock from Hetmyer but really pedestrian bowling from India. Dube is as mediocre as it gets at international level while one expects better from Jadeja with so much experience as he was repeating the same mistakes against Hetmyer.

Kuldeep can spin the bowl but still havent learned to push his stock ball a bit faster on good length on certain surfaces and occasions. I think Deepak Chahar is decent with new ball but he was overdoing into the pitch slower ball stuff in the middle overs which isnt gonna get you many wickets unless required rate is really high.
 
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Bit of a smack down this - but Windies are a good LOI side with players having plenty of experience in playing in India
 
India found a formula with 4 specialist bowler and pandya to win matches. THey broke it apart. No more Yuvraj, Raina, Sehwag, Sachin to share 5th bowling . Batsmen dont bowl. Bowlers don't bat.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
India found a formula with 4 specialist bowler and pandya to win matches. THey broke it apart. No more Yuvraj, Raina, Sehwag, Sachin to share 5th bowling . Batsmen dont bowl. Bowlers don't bat.
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Because of two new balls it's impossible for
batsman to ball.
 
Shai Hope had a lower strike rate than Babar's strike rate earlier in the day lol

One was playing an ODI and the other was playing a test match
 
lol Wow. Hetmyer is such a lovable guy. His voice is almost like baby voice. IT doesn't exactly match his power.
 
Hetmyer played very well.
Shai hope and great form this year continuing.
Well played WI
 
Good batting from WI. Little happy for their dominance.

No point of giving chances to kedar.
 
tyron_woodley said:
what a thrashing lol. india need to Improve in odi's but it's only a bilateral anyway.

Should have played saini, prasidh krishna instead of Deepak useless chahar and kuldeep etc.
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Prasidh Krishna is injured. He is not part of any domestic matches too.
 
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Some posters are going crazy just for one loss.
Nothing will happen.. Take it easy
 
jnaveen1980 said:
India found a formula with 4 specialist bowler and pandya to win matches. THey broke it apart. No more Yuvraj, Raina, Sehwag, Sachin to share 5th bowling . Batsmen dont bowl. Bowlers don't bat.
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India should go with 5 specialist bowlers.
They think part timers will help but they are not good.
Earlier 4 specialist bowlers worked out because of pandya.
That's ok.. Good lesson.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
He is still unreliable. Just having a good day with a dropped chance. You cannot try to hit every ball out of the park. Won't work all the time.
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Guy with 4 50s and 5 100s is unreliable but a guy who has just scored his first fifty in ODI's is reliable. Mind you both of these players are 22 years old so your age excuse definitely won't work here. :inti
 
The rot in West Indies' ODI cricket set long before Jason Holder but a change of captaincy was necessary as Holder in white ball cricket is half the player he is in Test cricket.

I'm hoping Pollard with his white ball experience can lift the side.

There are reasons to be more optimistic about WI cricket as Hope and Hetmyer are quality youngsters to build around. Pooran is a clean hitter but just needs to work on his temperament. The fast bowling talent like Cottrell, who gets the new ball to swing and is unafraid to bowl a fuller length, Alzarri Joseph and Oshane Thomas are genuinely exciting.

However they lack a top class spinner. Narine has his issues while Chase is part time at best. Haven't seen much of this Hayden Walsh guy.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Guy with 4 50s and 5 100s is unreliable but a guy who has just scored his first fifty in ODI's is reliable. Mind you both of these players are 22 years old so your age excuse definitely won't work here. :inti
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You should compare him with Iyer not Pant as a specialist bat.
 
Abdullah719 said:
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Wait for another Kohli classic in the next game and all will unfortunately be forgotten.
 
Time for Jadhav to be shown doors. A world champion team is the one in which everyone contributes. That's why England became world champion. Everyone was contributing except Buttler and when time came, Buttler showed up as well in the finals. India had Jadhav and a vacant no.4 spot which is why India didn't won the tournament. There is literally no place for players like Jadhav, Karthik and Vijay Shankar in the team.

I feel Mayank Agarwal should be given the opening slot as a replacement for Shikhar Dhawan. He is in good confidence and should do better than KL Rahul. Regarding Shivam Dube, I feel he can be handy for India at no.6 with the bat but his bowling is a part timer level. It was criminal to play him as a bowling all-rounder in this match. Unfortunately, India don't have any good option for the no.6 spot. Manish Pandey can be played in the team as no.12 man. That will be a huge boost for the side in terms of fielding. Jadeja should be persisted as well. He adds a lot of value to the team with his varied skills sets.
 
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I don't dislike Kedhar. He adds value but his time is almost up especially with his dodgy fitness.
 
Ab Fan said:
Time for Jadhav to be shown doors. A world champion team is the one in which everyone contributes. That's why England became world champion. India had Jadhav and a vacant no.4 spot which is why India didn't won the tournament. There is literally no place for players like Jadhav, Karthik and Vijay Shankar in the team.

I feel Mayank Agarwal should be given the opening slot as a replacement for Shikhar Dhawan. He is in good confidence and should do better than KL Rahul. Regarding Shivam Dube, I feel he can be handy for India at no.6 with the bat but his bowling is a part timer level. It was criminal to play him as a bowling all-rounder in this match. Unfortunately, India don't have any good option for the no.6 spot. Manish Pandey can be played in the team as no.12 man. That will be a huge boost for the side in terms of fielding. Jadeja should be persisted as well. He adds a lot of value to the team with his varied skills sets.
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KL has been failing repeatedly in ODIs. I think they want to test if he can bring his T20 form to ODIs. Since the next world cup is in India, KL should feel a bit more comfortable.

I would want to go with Shaw or Aggarwal any day though.
 
India has been in decline in ODIs for quite a while now. Half the players are either out of form or disinterested.
 
BreadPakoda said:
KL has been failing repeatedly in ODIs. I think they want to test if he can bring his T20 form to ODIs. Since the next world cup is in India, KL should feel a bit more comfortable.

I would want to go with Shaw or Aggarwal any day though.
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I would persist with Jadeja not because of his fielding only which obviously is a big reason but apart from that, he is actually a big match player. I have seen him uplift his game on big occasions a lot of time and one could rely on him to bowl his 10 overs spell more often than not. The major problem for India is to how exactly do they manage the 6-7-8 position in the team. The tail will be too long if they go with Kul-Cha.

Regarding KL Rahul, he hasn't done bad as an opener in ODI cricket also but it's just that in that slot, I feel we have quite a few batters who can do even better in that position. That position should be given to the one who makes maximum use of it and Shaw/Agarwal might do it more than Rahul.
 
Ab Fan said:
I would persist with Jadeja not because of his fielding only which obviously is a big reason but apart from that, he is actually a big match player. I have seen him uplift his game on big occasions a lot of time and one could rely on him to bowl his 10 overs spell more often than not. The major problem for India is to how exactly do they manage the 6-7-8 position in the team. The tail will be too long if they go with Kul-Cha.

Regarding KL Rahul, he hasn't done bad as an opener in ODI cricket also but it's just that in that slot, I feel we have quite a few batters who can do even better in that position. That position should be given to the one who makes maximum use of it and Shaw/Agarwal might do it more than Rahul.
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Fair point regarding Jadeja. But we need more consistency from him. Or maybe more with the bat.
 
Not the biggest reason but Sharma continuously batting so slow at the top of the oder is often hurting India.
 
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