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Boycott's rant on England's spinners on TMS is glorious :)))

"There were so many long hops my daughter's hockey team could've put them away"
 
Finally,to conclude the day with Moeen bhai's Wicket.That ball turned,kept a bit low too.

Too good for :moali

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We need at least, at least 80 runs from somewhere tomorrow morning.

Otherwise we gonna loooooooose.
 
Not the bounciest wicket this one.. It's a pure seam/ spin pitch..
 
Juansar_07 said:
England lost 8 Wickets for 56 on Day 2.Astonishing.
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WI's bowling and fielding has been inspired. They are so close to being a good test side again.


James said:
We need at least, at least 80 runs from somewhere tomorrow morning.

Otherwise we gonna loooooooose.
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I wonder. When Jimmy takes a couple of early wickets, and with Chanderpaul faded, I reckon they will buckle due to inexperience.

Belawal2014 said:
You reckon KP may get a call-up if guys lose the test?
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Firstly, he's not scoring heavily for Surrey.

Secondly, whom would he replace? Ballance, Bell and Root have all had a good series, while Stokes is the all-rounder.

Moeen looks to be batting too high for tests - he looks more like a #8 at present.
 
Can't see the windies chasing 150+ on this deck so pretty simple for them they allow one decent partnership and they are stuffed, the deep batting with buttler all the way down at 8 might end up making a big difference.
 
Robert said:
WI's bowling and fielding has been inspired. They are so close to being a good test side again.




I wonder. When Jimmy takes a couple of early wickets, and with Chanderpaul faded, I reckon they will buckle due to inexperience.



Firstly, he's not scoring heavily for Surrey.

Secondly, whom would he replace? Ballance, Bell and Root have all had a good series, while Stokes is the all-rounder.

Moeen looks to be batting too high for tests - he looks more like a #8 at present.
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Realistically, there is a vacant opener's position and a vacancy at number 6 will come up within three Tests when they realise that Moeen Ali cannot bat at number 6 against Australia.

But KP hasn't really had any batting yet. His innings so far this season are:

8*
32
53*
19

....for a First Class average of 56.00.

He also scored 170 against Oxford University.

KP was never going to be in contention at the start of the season. The selectors now have to replace Trott first, which means that against NZ they will keep Moeen Ali at number 6 to reduce the amount of change in the team - especially with Stokes and Buttler at 7 and 8.

The way KP gets into the team is if

a) he starts to score centuries, and
b) Moeen Ali fails with the bat over the course of the 7 Tests against NZ and Australia.

So a Pietersen return is premature still. But Ballance, Bell and Root were always going to stay in the team - he is reliant upon the failure of Moeen Ali with the bat.
 
Ian Botham's commentating has been really disrespectful. He forgets everyone's names and just makes up random names, and the other commentators never challenge or correct him. Who is Jerremy Powell, Ian? There is no fast bowler on either team called Powell....
 
At this point in this match, I would say England is in bigger trouble than WI. Simply because Cricket being a batsman' game, WI can take their sweet time to score the required runs, since lots of time will be at hand. As usual though, anything can happen and WI may choke a victory away. Should be fun next couple of days.
 
I thought WI 'll win this Test as it's at Bridgetown. So,PAK 'll end as No. 3 (with a 1-0) & ENG 1-1. But WI conceded too many in 1st innings. ENG needs another 100 may be. I don't think WI is good enough to chase 220+, but less than that - match on. However, ENG has dropped Tradewell for Moeen "Laker" Ali - I guess, that 'll cost them the match. In 1st Innings, Jimmy got WI 40/4 or so, yet they added another 150+; on't think that (40/4) is going to happen 2nd time. One thing for sure - whatever WI chases, it has to be closed inside 60, preferably inside 50 overs - if they allow Jimmy a 3rd spell with 50 overs old ball, he 'll win it from a position of 50 required with 5 in hand.

1-1 for me (more expectation than conviction, I must admit).
 
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Junaids said:
Realistically, there is a vacant opener's position and a vacancy at number 6 will come up within three Tests when they realise that Moeen Ali cannot bat at number 6 against Australia.

a) he starts to score centuries, and
b) Moeen Ali fails with the bat over the course of the 7 Tests against NZ and Australia.

So a Pietersen return is premature still. But Ballance, Bell and Root were always going to stay in the team - he is reliant upon the failure of Moeen Ali with the bat.
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Moeen is batting too high and Stokes is the natural #6. I am starting to think that Moeen is not test-class in either role - they would have been better off with Tredwell in the last two tests. So the only position available for KP is the opener's berth and he won't bat there. England lost an opportunity by not playing Lyth in all three WI tests.
 
Robert said:
Moeen is batting too high and Stokes is the natural #6. I am starting to think that Moeen is not test-class in either role - they would have been better off with Tredwell in the last two tests. So the only position available for KP is the opener's berth and he won't bat there. England lost an opportunity by not playing Lyth in all three WI tests.
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Two things here.

Firstly, I'm not sure that Ben Stokes is a good enough batsman to play at number 6 against New Zealand or Australia. Imran Khan was a number 7, and he isn't that good a batsman.

Secondly, Ian Bell is probably the least secure of Root, Ballance and himself in positions 3,4 and 5. Bell's scores in this series have been:

143
11
1
0
0

Ultimately, I think that people read too much into the Test series victory over India last summer. This looks to me awfully similar to the team that lost the Ashes 5-0 and then lost at home to Sri Lanka.

England might catch New Zealand cold straight off the plane from the IPL. But this team still looks awfully weak to me. And Moeen and Root were so poor with the ball on a real turner that the series in the UAE looks like a disaster waiting to happen unless Panesar somehow regains form and favour. I think he is the guy they really need back. Outside England.
 
Finally, a different test match. For a change, the balance in favour of the ball. Modern batsmen are so used to playing on friendly wickets that they can't make quick adjustments when the ball is not helping their cause.

Indian domestic pitches used to be flat/dust bowls before 2009 (I think). You had to search for any green with a microscope back then. Sometime in 2009 or 2010 suddenly there were green pitches all around. The early matches during that season were geared towards the bowler, even 125kph bowlers were having a merry time against established Ranji batsmen. But as the season progressed, the batsmen got used to the green tops and their batting improved significantly and there were some high scores posted towards the end. I watched one of these matches live and was surprised to see domestic batmen handle green tops with relative ease, at least against non express pacers. But the catch was that spinners in India lost their zip due to the changes and India is struggling to produce bowlers who can match Kumble or Bhajji in their prime. Aakash Chopra had then written an article on cricinfo - http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/595159.html
 
IndianWillow said:
Finally, a different test match. For a change, the balance in favour of the ball. Modern batsmen are so used to playing on friendly wickets that they can't make quick adjustments when the ball is not helping their cause.

Indian domestic pitches used to be flat/dust bowls before 2009 (I think). You had to search for any green with a microscope back then. Sometime in 2009 or 2010 suddenly there were green pitches all around. The early matches during that season were geared towards the bowler, even 125kph bowlers were having a merry time against established Ranji batsmen. But as the season progressed, the batsmen got used to the green tops and their batting improved significantly and there were some high scores posted towards the end. I watched one of these matches live and was surprised to see domestic batmen handle green tops with relative ease, at least against non express pacers. But the catch was that spinners in India lost their zip due to the changes and India is struggling to produce bowlers who can match Kumble or Bhajji in their prime. Aakash Chopra had then written an article on cricinfo - http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/595159.html
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Very interesting - that explains a lot! Thanks!
 
Junaids said:
Firstly, I'm not sure that Ben Stokes is a good enough batsman to play at number 6 against New Zealand or Australia. Imran Khan was a number 7, and he isn't that good a batsman.

England might catch New Zealand cold straight off the plane from the IPL. But this team still looks awfully weak to me. And Moeen and Root were so poor with the ball on a real turner that the series in the UAE looks like a disaster waiting to happen unless Panesar somehow regains form and favour. I think he is the guy they really need back. Outside England.
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Panesar won't be back under Cook, who doesn't think he can bowl.

I would have made a few changes from the start of this series, bringing on Lyth, trying Plunkett and Wood and Rashid, cementing Stokes at #6. We know he can do it. He's our quickest bowler too. I think he can be another Clive Rice. We just have to stick with him, like Australia did with Waugh until he came good.

Moeen is the weakest front-line spinner I have seen play for England. The disinterested Indians flattered to deceive him. He's a ODI player.

I think Broad is gone mentally now.
 
Robert said:
Panesar won't be back under Cook, who doesn't think he can bowl.

I would have made a few changes from the start of this series, bringing on Lyth, trying Plunkett and Wood and Rashid, cementing Stokes at #6. We know he can do it. He's our quickest bowler too. I think he can be another Clive Rice. We just have to stick with him, like Australia did with Waugh until he came good.

Moeen is the weakest front-line spinner I have seen play for England. The disinterested Indians flattered to deceive him. He's a ODI player.

I think Broad is gone mentally now.
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You're probably right on every count.

But Cook is simply wrong about Panesar - he has played with him in the last two away series to India and Pakistan, and Panesar outbowled Swann in both series. He is judging the man and not the bowler.

And that is my big frustration. I think that if Panesar isn't selected for the Pakistan series, England loses.
 
Junaids said:
You're probably right on every count.

But Cook is simply wrong about Panesar - he has played with him in the last two away series to India and Pakistan, and Panesar outbowled Swann in both series. He is judging the man and not the bowler.

And that is my big frustration. I think that if Panesar isn't selected for the Pakistan series, England loses.
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True, but then when Swann went home, Monty went to NZ and was ineffective on dry wickets. IMO he needed Swann at the other end to tell him where to bowl, and also block an end up so the batters took risks against Monty. That's why Chef doesn't rate him.

I like Monty and feel he is an unfulfilled talent but I think he is lacking between the ears.

Still better then Moeen though.

I'd have thrown caution to the wind for this match and gone with:

Cook
Lyth
Ballance
Bell
Root
Stokes
Rashid
Buttler
Tredwell
Wood
Anderson
 
Robert said:
True, but then when Swann went home, Monty went to NZ and was ineffective on dry wickets. IMO he needed Swann at the other end to tell him where to bowl, and also block an end up so the batters took risks against Monty. That's why Chef doesn't rate him.

I like Monty and feel he is an unfulfilled talent but I think he is lacking between the ears.

Still better then Moeen though.

I'd have thrown caution to the wind for this match and gone with:

Cook
Lyth
Ballance
Bell
Root
Stokes
Rashid
Buttler
Tredwell
Wood
Anderson
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I like your team!

I seriously worry that Stuart Broad might actually get himself killed on the pitch this summer. He was a very talented batsman, but you just can't go in to bat with such fear. I genuinely worry about his safety every time he goes in to bat.

With Trotty the fear is just that he's going to get out. But I worry that Broad is going to get killed or seriously injured.

By the way, I think England should win comfortably today. Another 100 runs should be plenty.
 
Moeen is a useless Test cricketer. That India series has done England more harm than good, as Moeen has been leeching off those performances for quite some time now.
 
I wonder if it will be one of the those 4th innings in the Windies where the chasing team gets blown away for 48 or something.

England got so obliterated in yesterday's evening session that they need something that special.
 
Wasn't it wonderful to see Sir Garry Sobers during the innings break?

I know that Bradman was an even greater batsman, but I don't believe that a greater cricketer than Sobers has ever walked the earth.
 
James said:
I wonder if it will be one of the those 4th innings in the Windies where the chasing team gets blown away for 48 or something.

England got so obliterated in yesterday's evening session that they need something that special.
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Nah, if they convert 39-5 into 160 all out they set West Indies 229 to win, which would be far too many.
 
loving this match seriously ..
but if WI need to chase 200 target, i am afraid they won't be able to do it.
 
#GreenRoars said:
loving this match seriously ..
but if WI need to chase 200 target, i am afraid they won't be able to do it.
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It all depends on Shivnarine Chanderpaul tbh
It will be an extremely uphill task and James Andersen is the best bowler in the world in such conditions
 
It will be an extremely uphill task and James Andersen is the best bowler in the world in such conditions
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Several months ago, everyone was saying Jimmy can't bowl outside of England. Every game so far, though, in the West Indies, he's been getting big swing.
 
In England can start push past 150 lead I will begin to gain in confidence.
 
That might just be the hour that wins it for england, no way this windies batting lineup are chasing 180 or more on this deck.
 
The standard of comments that gets published by the BBC is totally risible.

'England need at least a 300-350 lead to have any chance of winning this, come on boys!'

Have some of these people ever watched cricket before, like ever? Seriously?
 
There's the breakthrough, Windies need to tear through this tail now.
 
Butler once again being stranded against hopeless tailenders (can't fault them though)
 
Holder employing the same tactics to Anderson. Has bowled several bouncers to push Anderson back into the crease. Will follow up with a full delivery soon.
 
An achievable 4th innings target on this explosive pitch is around 120 I think.
England still have this in the bag, unless there's some spectacular counter-attacking from the windies.
That 1st innings lead was very crucial.
 
battler said:
An achievable 4th innings target on this explosive pitch is around 120 I think.
England still have this in the bag, unless there's some spectacular counter-attacking from the windies.
That 1st innings lead was very crucial.
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Agree. Anything over 150 in the 4th innings was always going to be very difficult.
 
battler said:
An achievable 4th innings target on this explosive pitch is around 120 I think.
England still have this in the bag, unless there's some spectacular counter-attacking from the windies.
That 1st innings lead was very crucial.
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All depends on the first 20 overs.
 
If Windies chase the score down would it be fair to say they have better batting unit than England?
 
battler said:
An achievable 4th innings target on this explosive pitch is around 120 I think.
England still have this in the bag, unless there's some spectacular counter-attacking from the windies.
That 1st innings lead was very crucial.
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The exact total of 121 India wasn't able to chase in 1997 here with inform Sachin and Dravid.But they had Ambrose,Bishop and Rose.This ground is the only reason i'm watching this test over the IPL ,other extreme of Roads.
 
Broad has turned into such a pathetic batsman since he got hit by a bouncer. Looks mentally shot with bat in hand.
 
Its all over.Anderson LBW reviewed and overturned.

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Buttler was playing a handy knock though.Suffered the same fate as that of Blackwood.
 
Its a fun tour, good crowd as well but defn not what it used to be.
 
Well done Jos Buttler, England probably just about have enough runs now, but then again all results still possible - including a tie!
 
desi_launda said:
WI should chase this...just play Anderson misbah style
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Misbah's blocking ability is unmatched under heaven.. Dude should be in military instead. he can even block nuclear missile!!
 
First England made 257, then West Indies made 189, then England made 123

Going by this trend West Indies might be AO 77
 
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