"We've had information from foreign players & their agents BCCI's pressurising them to not play KPL"

[Bhaijaan]

Well this is where those Boards need to stand up and show some bottle, rather than caving in to bullying.

India's stance is wrongfully considered as forceful and bullying rather than what it really is, a principled stand.

In the movie Ramleela, despite the fact that Ram loved Leela madly but due to historic clash among the two clans their love could never materialize.

They loved each other but respected their clans to the point they killed each other. I respect that. This is our culture. This is our conscience.

We have no ill will against Pakistanis but we will never ever forgive those who stand against our great nation politically.

Supporting KPL is an Anti Indian move and we will never forgive that.

They can do whatever they like. But they can never be our friends again and will never be welcome in India and if the respective boards continue to hand out pensions to such people, they will be going against us.amd stand to face consequences.

 

[street cricketer]

How is this league different from Pakistan or India having Kashmir sides in domestic circuit?

Well the J&K team in Ranji trophy is a domestic team and so it doesn't have owners. And neither do the coaches or captains of that team make any sort of political comments about Pakistan in their official capacity. And they don't feature 'aazadi' anthems and 'aazadi' taglines.

In a hypothetical scenario, if East Pakistan hadn't become Bangladesh and was still under Pakistan, and India organised a T20 league while making political comments like "this is to promote cricket in Bengal and to show the world how our side of the Bengal is calm and peaceful while the other side of Bengal is under state oppression", I can guarantee that the PCB wouldn't have taken to that league nicely just like the BCCI. Like I said before, all states have certain red lines and right or wrong, they react when they're crossed. This is not an uncommon occurrence at all. I mean, you don't even have to make anti-China comments, but someone simply saying the name "Taiwan" in official ceremonies would produce a reaction from China.

There's no point blaming the BCCI for getting political when the league itself, while being like any other cricket tournament, is also a bit of a political pr tool for Pakistan in the Kashmir dispute. I want to say here that Pakistan is well within its rights to organise the league and even use politics as a tool to highlight the Kashmir dispute in the media if they feel so, I don't want to go into the moral and ethical bits of the Kashmir issue, but my point is there's nothing surprising about BCCI's reaction because a political move will always get a political reaction from any state.

 

[IMMY69]

India's stance is wrongfully considered as forceful and bullying rather than what it really is, a principled stand.

In the movie Ramleela, despite the fact that Ram loved Leela madly but due to historic clash among the two clans their love could never materialize.

They loved each other but respected their clans to the point they killed each other. I respect that. This is our culture. This is our conscience.

We have no ill will against Pakistanis but we will never ever forgive those who stand against our great nation politically.

Supporting KPL is an Anti Indian move and we will never forgive that.

They can do whatever they like. But they can never be our friends again and will never be welcome in India and if the respective boards continue to hand out pensions to such people, they will be going against us.amd stand to face consequences.

and preventing retired players rpm ever getting jobs in India is the way to go... bravo

By the way I know what's truly in your heart.
It must be so scary that you can never speak the truth. I do hope things change for you

 

[Saj]

India's stance is wrongfully considered as forceful and bullying rather than what it really is, a principled stand.

One man's bullying is another man's principled stance. It's all about opinions and many believe it's bullying. But many are also scared to speak up for fear of consequences.

In the movie Ramleela, despite the fact that Ram loved Leela madly but due to historic clash among the two clans their love could never materialize.

They loved each other but respected their clans to the point they killed each other. I respect that. This is our culture. This is our conscience.

Thanks for letting us know about this love story. But I think the discussion is about KPL and BCCI.

They can do whatever they like. But they can never be our friends again and will never be welcome in India and if the respective boards continue to hand out pensions to such people, they will be going against us.amd stand to face consequences.

Consequences? It's up to the individual to stand up to these tactics. If they have the guts they will, if they are more interested in money they won't. It's pretty simple.

We have no ill will against Pakistanis but we will never ever forgive those who stand against our great nation politically.

Supporting KPL is an Anti Indian move and we will never forgive that.

We? You some sort of spokesperson for India and the BCCI as you keep referring to We.

 

[gani999]

Well this is where those Boards need to stand up and show some bottle, rather than caving in to bullying.

Exactly.

It's not the end of the world if senior players like Gibbs et.al, who have played for their countries and several other leagues, give the BCCI a go-by and play in any league of their choice.

Such people would have made enough anyway, and dont have much of a career ahead. They can play in leagues like KPL, take whatever is offered, and be happy.

If they still want then IPL's riches then they would have to play by whatever rule the BCCI sets. The same holds for the boards.

The choice is always there.

 

[gani999]

We? You some sort of spokesperson for India and the BCCI as you keep referring to We.

Cut him some slack, Saj.

He was the biggest promoter of aman ki asha between the two countries not too long ago.

 

[IMMY69]

Exactly.

It's not the end of the world if senior players like Gibbs et.al, who have played for their countries and several other leagues, give the BCCI a go-by and play in any league of their choice.

Such people would have made enough anyway, and dont have much of a career ahead. They can play in leagues like KPL, take whatever is offered, and be happy.

If they still want then IPL's riches then they would have to play by whatever rule the BCCI sets. The same holds for the boards.

The choice is always there.

Just so I'm clear.
If Gibbs plays then only he gets the ban or other South African players will face problems too?

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

Well the J&K team in Ranji trophy is a domestic team and so it doesn't have owners. And neither do the coaches or captains of that team make any sort of political comments about Pakistan in their official capacity. And they don't feature 'aazadi' anthems and 'aazadi' taglines.

In a hypothetical scenario, if East Pakistan hadn't become Bangladesh and was still under Pakistan, and India organised a T20 league while making political comments like "this is to promote cricket in Bengal and to show the world how our side of the Bengal is calm and peaceful while the other side of Bengal is under state oppression", I can guarantee that the PCB wouldn't have taken to that league nicely just like the BCCI. Like I said before, all states have certain red lines and right or wrong, they react when they're crossed. This is not an uncommon occurrence at all. I mean, you don't even have to make anti-China comments, but someone simply saying the name "Taiwan" in official ceremonies would produce a reaction from China.

There's no point blaming the BCCI for getting political when the league itself, while being like any other cricket tournament, is also a bit of a political pr tool for Pakistan in the Kashmir dispute. I want to say here that Pakistan is well within its rights to organise the league and even use politics as a tool to highlight the Kashmir dispute in the media if they feel so, I don't want to go into the moral and ethical bits of the Kashmir issue, but my point is there's nothing surprising about BCCI's reaction because a political move will always get a political reaction from any state.

There are Baloch teams in Iran's football league, There are Balochis in Iran's football team. That does not make any difference to the Pakistani side of Balochistan even though it's very underdeveloped and has been in some kind of turmoil. The league was for Kashmiris who are usually ignored in Pakistani domestic league and a way to give them opportunities and it is going to be a very low quality league so I don't know why Indians and BCCI are losing their sleep over it. Just heard that even Pakistan's national team players are not going to play. If tomorrow, I started a league called Sikkim Premier League or some hsiz like that, would BCCI come for me too for starting the league?

 

[Itachi]

Exactly.

It's not the end of the world if senior players like Gibbs et.al, who have played for their countries and several other leagues, give the BCCI a go-by and play in any league of their choice.

Such people would have made enough anyway, and dont have much of a career ahead. They can play in leagues like KPL, take whatever is offered, and be happy.

If they still want then IPL's riches then they would have to play by whatever rule the BCCI sets. The same holds for the boards.

The choice is always there.

The $ doesn't end there. Retired players can be commentator or support staff of any team but playing in this league will prevent them from doing so. That's why whining is there. They want the $ from everyside without any repercussions.

 

[Itachi]

Just so I'm clear.
If Gibbs plays then only he gets the ban or other South African players will face problems too?

As long as he dissociate himself from team RSA or RSA doesn't provide an affiliation, no issues.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The odd thing is other cricketers must be looking at the BCCI and thinking what the hell, they are stopping retired cricketers from earning a living in a league that has nothing to do with BCCI.

They are not stopping anyone. Players are free to play the KPL. But they cant earn in India then.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Don't think PCB ever complained when India included Kashmir in Ranji trophy and played domestic matches there.......this petty behaviour by BCCI has no justification

PCB is free to complain. Thing is that will make no difference.

 

[Itachi]

and preventing retired players rpm ever getting jobs in India is the way to go... bravo

By the way I know what's truly in your heart.
It must be so scary that you can never speak the truth. I do hope things change for you

The world doesn't run on hand outs. if you are earning/aiming to earn something from an organization, you'll be bound to follow rules for the interest of the organization.

 

[UzmanBeast]

PCB is free to complain. Thing is that will make no difference.

If so, why is BCCI complaining now?

What's the issue? Their complaining won't stop the league from continuing. Gibbs and Dilshan have already agreed to come, so it seems like those threats really worked didn't they?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Wasim Akram often visits India for a cricket related assignments. Will they ban his entry also?

He hasn't in a long long time.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If so, why is BCCI complaining now?

What's the issue? Their complaining won't stop the league from continuing. Gibbs and Dilshan have already agreed to come, so it seems like those threats really worked didn't they?

Because KPL started now.


How many players withdrew?

 

[MenInG]

Think we will lay some rules here as I find some posts to be bordering on arrogant and not conducive to any debate.

1. AJK's status for Pakistan is NOT for debate on this thread
2. Do NOT pretend to talk on behalf of the Indian or Pakistani nation - all views are your own so remember that.

All posts not following these simple rules will be deleted.

This is post is not for debate.

 

[cricketjoshila]

There are only so many jobs and roles available at the IPL, so what are all these players going to do - live in hope that one day they get a gig at the IPL and not get involved in the KPL?

It's a risky policy for players/coaches etc and not all will fall for it.

Not IPL. Out of the entire cricketing economy of India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Well this is where those Boards need to stand up and show some bottle, rather than caving in to bullying.

Why will they risk millions for PCB?

 

[UzmanBeast]

Because KPL started now.


How many players withdrew?

Why does BCCI feel the need to stoop down to the level of a premature domestic league?

Would the BCCI come and threaten me if I played gully cricket in Kashmir?

It seems a bit, childish, don't you think?

Though, I do have to thank the BCCI, for doing their utmost best to bring all media attention towards the budding KPL, to the point where even the PCB is scared that the league could jeopardize the PSL.

Had the BCCI been a bit smarter, they could have lodged a complaint to the ICC without starting a fuss on the media, which has only given traction and momentum to the KPL and exposed the BCCI's primitive and frankly insecure mindset where they threatened former international players.

 

[Itachi]

Why does BCCI feel the need to stoop down to the level of a premature domestic league?

Would the BCCI come and threaten me if I played gully cricket in Kashmir?

It seems a bit, childish, don't you think?

Though, I do have to thank the BCCI, for doing their utmost best to bring all media attention towards the budding KPL, to the point where even the PCB is scared that the league could jeopardize the PSL.

Had the BCCI been a bit smarter, they could have lodged a complaint to the ICC without starting a fuss on the media, which has only given traction and momentum to the KPL and exposed the BCCI's primitive and frankly insecure mindset where they threatened former international players.

Why complain by other posters if it helps the case?

On one hand, you are stating that it's helping kpl but on other hand, you guys are complaining why BCCI did this?

 

[Darkrai]

I thought Kashmiris launched this league, and PCB didn't have anything to do with it, apart from allowing their domestic coaches and players to participate in it.

Well, at least this BCCI drama gave the league much-needed publicity.

I'll be watching it closely.

 

[ahsan17]

Imagine saying this is OK just because it's legal. That's what BCCI and many Indian posters are claiming. If so, not sure what leg they have to stand on many other issues they like to discuss, e.g. blasphemy laws of Pakistan, doing 'propaganda' against India. They would literally have no leg to stand on when complaining about something they don't like but is legal. Quite a bit of slippery slope to be honest.

 

[ahsan17]

They are not stopping anyone. Players are free to play the KPL. But they cant earn in India then.

Yes that's how mafias work. Good job admitting BCCI is a corrupt mafia.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes that's how mafias work. Good job admitting BCCI is a corrupt mafia.

Thats how interests work. You support the pakistani claim on kashmir, you are a persona non grata in India.

 

[Saj]

Why will they risk millions for PCB?

It's not for PCB, it's for themselves.

This is where the likes of you see KPL and think of PCB straight away.

 

[ahsan17]

Thats how interests work. You support the pakistani claim on kashmir, you are a persona non grata in India.

That's how inconsistent opinions arise, and in the long term it will only hurt you if other countries view you as so petty, and your contradicting opinions can be used over and over against you.

What leg do you now have to stand against Pakistan on many issues if it's all about interests? Your opinions in those cases can now be dismissed as 'Pakistan is just pursuing it's interests'.

 

[Saj]

They are not stopping anyone. Players are free to play the KPL. But they cant earn in India then.

So what. That won't matter to some. It's not a monopoly where BCCI controls every role in cricket in every country.

 

[ahsan17]

India's stance is wrongfully considered as forceful and bullying rather than what it really is, a principled stand.

In the movie Ramleela, despite the fact that Ram loved Leela madly but due to historic clash among the two clans their love could never materialize.

They loved each other but respected their clans to the point they killed each other. I respect that. This is our culture. This is our conscience.

We have no ill will against Pakistanis but we will never ever forgive those who stand against our great nation politically.

Supporting KPL is an Anti Indian move and we will never forgive that.

They can do whatever they like. But they can never be our friends again and will never be welcome in India and if the respective boards continue to hand out pensions to such people, they will be going against us.amd stand to face consequences.

The principled stand here would be to not do anything here. The most charitable description of what BCCi is doing is 'India is pursuing it's interests', which is not saying much.

 

[in_cutter]

Why are BCCI so triggered about a irrelevant tournament?!
Oh and of course the bakhts are lapping it all up. Embarassing nation.

 

[in_cutter]

Not IPL. Out of the entire cricketing economy of India.

You bakht trolls have no shame do you?? Triggered over a little tournament lmao.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's not for PCB, it's for themselves.

This is where the likes of you see KPL and think of PCB straight away.

Their interest lies in collaborating with the BCCI.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So what. That won't matter to some. It's not a monopoly where BCCI controls every role in cricket in every country.

There is no problem then. Players can play KPL.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That's how inconsistent opinions arise, and in the long term it will only hurt you if other countries view you as so petty, and your contradicting opinions can be used over and over against you.

What leg do you now have to stand against Pakistan on many issues if it's all about interests? Your opinions in those cases can now be dismissed as 'Pakistan is just pursuing it's interests'.

Pakistan is free to pursue its interests by any legal way. Any country is.

 

[ahsan17]

Pakistan is free to pursue its interests by any legal way. Any country is.

You are now scraping bottom of the barrel to justify this. Quite a shameless situation. Your goal posts keep changing. Do remember in the future when you are arguing against others, your own opinion will be used against you.

 

[Saj]

There is no problem then. Players can play KPL.

So why are you and the BCCI getting so worked up about it then. It's a tiny little league which hasn't even started yet some are having a hissy fit over it even before a ball has been bowled.

Laughable really.

 

[Shahzad1985]

Has there been official confirmation from the likes of Prior, Mustard and Shah that they are withdrawing? I tried to find it online but did not come across any confirmation as such.

 

[Saj]

"I had the opportunity to play in the 'KPL' and I thought I could play again. However, I was advised that the BCCI is telling players who will play in the 'Kashmir Premier League' might face consequences. As I am just starting my career in sports media I want to work in India. Therefore I thought it would be better to not play in the 'Kashmir Premier League'. I don't wanna come between cricket and politics," said Monty Panesar

"I am a player I was just seeing this as an opportunity to resume playing gradually and make a comeback in cricket but after seeing the consequences, it is too risky for me to play in the 'KPL'. Therefore, I thought it would be best if I don't play in the league" added Monty Panesar.

On being asked about what message he would like to give to the players who are considering to take part in the political cricketing league, Panesar said, "Every player will try to grab the opportunity to play again. But I hope if we don't play the league, India will give us opportunities to work. We want to work in India. We want to do commentary, coaching in India.

 

[Golden arm]

India's stance is wrongfully considered as forceful and bullying rather than what it really is, a principled stand.

In the movie Ramleela, despite the fact that Ram loved Leela madly but due to historic clash among the two clans their love could never materialize.

They loved each other but respected their clans to the point they killed each other. I respect that. This is our culture. This is our conscience.

We have no ill will against Pakistanis but we will never ever forgive those who stand against our great nation politically.

Supporting KPL is an Anti Indian move and we will never forgive that.

They can do whatever they like. But they can never be our friends again and will never be welcome in India and if the respective boards continue to hand out pensions to such people, they will be going against us.amd stand to face consequences.

Typical desi mind set prevalent all over subcontinent

Human beings are considered objects and claimed by group of Thugs inspired by RS ideology to claim over piece of land

Let kashmiris live and decide about their future

No power on earth has any moral value to keep them slave

 

[hitthestump]

How far away do we think that the BCCI are from saying any player who plays PSL cannot play in their league?

This scenario is inevitable and likely one of the milder oppressive actions we'll see from India, a country which is going down the toilet this century and most probably into the history books for some very wrong reasons.

 

[tahir_dj]

How far away do we think that the BCCI are from saying any player who plays PSL cannot play in their league?

This scenario is inevitable and likely one of the milder oppressive actions we'll see from India, a country which is going down the toilet this century and most probably into the history books for some very wrong reasons.

They tried their best in intial years but they didnt succeed

 

[Devadwal]

BCCI has written to ICC for not to recognise the Kashmir Premier League starting on August 6th.

 

[street cricketer]

There are Baloch teams in Iran's football league, There are Balochis in Iran's football team. That does not make any difference to the Pakistani side of Balochistan even though it's very underdeveloped and has been in some kind of turmoil. The league was for Kashmiris who are usually ignored in Pakistani domestic league and a way to give them opportunities and it is going to be a very low quality league so I don't know why Indians and BCCI are losing their sleep over it. Just heard that even Pakistan's national team players are not going to play. If tomorrow, I started a league called Sikkim Premier League or some hsiz like that, would BCCI come for me too for starting the league?

Do the owners of those Iranian Baloch teams also make political comments about Pakistan in the team's official ceremonies. If they had done so and the PCB (or whatever Pakistan's official organisation for football is) had BCCI's clout in football, I can bet my bottom dollar that the PCB would've done the same.

Like I said, it's absolutely silly blaming the BCCI for getting political here when the PCB or whoever the organisers of the KPL are, went political first way before the BCCI did anything. It's a bit much blaming the BCCI for getting political when KPL itself is political. If the BCCI really wanted to harm Pakistan and be ultra petty, it would have laid out a diktat that the players, coaches and commentators participating in the PSL cannot participate in the IPL (it still could, you never know with the BCCI) because the PSL is by far the biggest revenue creator for the PCB, but it hasn't done so yet. In fact, the PSL is telecast in India in Sony I think. If anything, I think telecast of the IPL is banned in Pakistan.

 

[Itachi]

"I had the opportunity to play in the 'KPL' and I thought I could play again. However, I was advised that the BCCI is telling players who will play in the 'Kashmir Premier League' might face consequences. As I am just starting my career in sports media I want to work in India. Therefore I thought it would be better to not play in the 'Kashmir Premier League'. I don't wanna come between cricket and politics," said Monty Panesar

"I am a player I was just seeing this as an opportunity to resume playing gradually and make a comeback in cricket but after seeing the consequences, it is too risky for me to play in the 'KPL'. Therefore, I thought it would be best if I don't play in the league" added Monty Panesar.

On being asked about what message he would like to give to the players who are considering to take part in the political cricketing league, Panesar said, "Every player will try to grab the opportunity to play again. But I hope if we don't play the league, India will give us opportunities to work. We want to work in India. We want to do commentary, coaching in India.

If someone wants to work in India, then they will have to align themselves for the interest of India. If it's too hard to follow the principles, then you may choose to work elsewhere

On one hand, you want to work here and earn $$$, on the other hand, you will be playing in a tournament with political agenda attached with it which goes against interest of India.

That simply does not work. If you are working at my house, you'll have to follow my rules. if it's too hard to accept, you can always choose a different house.

 

[Snowflake]

Where did I state that I am trying to help the case for BCCI?

What I wrote was my opinion only.

Right. And in your opinion, you painted a comparative scenario. How do you feel about your actions in the scenario that you painted? Justified? Logical? Immature? Childish?

 

[Itachi]

Right. And in your opinion, you painted a comparative scenario. How do you feel about your actions in the scenario that you painted? Justified? Logical? Immature? Childish?

justified.

If you want to earn in different sectors in my company, you'll have to work for our interest. If there is conflict of interest, then I'll ask you to choose one.

I won't force you to decide which way to go. But I won't tolerate the conflict of interest also.

 

[Snowflake]

justified.

If you want to earn in different sectors in my company, you'll have to work for our interest. If there is conflict of interest, then I'll ask you to choose one.

I won't force you to decide which way to go. But I won't tolerate the conflict of interest also.

I don't think you understand how conflict of interest works. Your interest in this case is Kashmir. But a cricket player is not working towards or against the cause of Kashmir when working for the BCCI. How is there a conflict of interest?

This is just like saying that if I work at a company that is headed by a Republican, I'll be fired if I vote for the Democrats.

It's unbelievable how so many Indians forget logic and common sense when dealing with a sentimental issue like Kashmir. So much that they are willing to justify BCCI's draconian behavior.

 

[Shazzam]

If someone wants to work in India, then they will have to align themselves for the interest of India. If it's too hard to follow the principles, then you may choose to work elsewhere

On one hand, you want to work here and earn $$$, on the other hand, you will be playing in a tournament with political agenda attached with it which goes against interest of India.

That simply does not work. If you are working at my house, you'll have to follow my rules. if it's too hard to accept, you can always choose a different house.

You're house is not the super power of World cricket so your logic does not work here. This is emotional blackmailing to stop a League from happening that has not happen yet. Its desperate and uncalled for. This is why in the world nation we need another dominating force to help run cricket.

 

[Snowflake]

Tomorrow if BCCI also organizes a Kashmir Premier League, this same set of cricketers will be more than happy to participate in it!

Indian posters need to understand that playing in KPL doesn't make these cricketers supporters of Pakistan's claim on Kashmir!

BCCI'S actions are just driven out of extreme insecurity!

 

[Savak]

Kpl mostly has retired cricketers anyways with no prospects in the IPL

 

[Savak]

Not far before the BCCI adopts the same policy with regards to the PSL or foreign teams touring Pakistan.

The PCB really needs to wake up and smell the coffee and find ways to get the cricketing economy of Pakistan going without any dependence on India

 

[Itachi]

You're house is not the super power of World cricket so your logic does not work here. This is emotional blackmailing to stop a League from happening that has not happen yet. Its desperate and uncalled for. This is why in the world nation we need another dominating force to help run cricket.

If one doesnt have the power, one wouldn't be significant to change course. Since players are choosing opt out, it means BCCI has that power.

 

[Itachi]

I don't think you understand how conflict of interest works. Your interest in this case is Kashmir. But a cricket player is not working towards or against the cause of Kashmir when working for the BCCI. How is there a conflict of interest?

This is just like saying that if I work at a company that is headed by a Republican, I'll be fired if I vote for the Democrats.

It's unbelievable how so many Indians forget logic and common sense when dealing with a sentimental issue like Kashmir. So much that they are willing to justify BCCI's draconian behavior.

voting is basic right.

playing some tournament with a political agenda is not.

State how basic rights of any player is stripped by BCCI for it's action.

 

[Itachi]

Not far before the BCCI adopts the same policy with regards to the PSL or foreign teams touring Pakistan.

The PCB really needs to wake up and smell the coffee and find ways to get the cricketing economy of Pakistan going without any dependence on India

Yup. PCB should wake up. The real world is ruthless and every entity will opt for it's own interest. It is basically you look after yourself. No one is obliged to look after other. If you are in a mess, it's you who will have to dug yourself out.

India has done it via clever strategy in two decades. Other boards can be self sufficient too. Its time boards should stop looking for hand outs.

 

[Snowflake]

voting is basic right.

playing some tournament with a political agenda is not.

State how basic rights of any player is stripped by BCCI for it's action.

You never answered my question about the conflict of interest bit. How does working for the BCCI, having played KPL, result in conflict of interest?

Freedom of thought is also a basic right. Pushing an agenda by blocking the means of earning is infringing upon that right. Ignore voting, if I work a progressive company but oppose BLM, and I get fired for it... What do you make of that? By your definition, there's a "conflict of interest" there too. So, is that also justified?

 

[Itachi]

You never answered my question about the conflict of interest bit. How does working for the BCCI, having played KPL, result in conflict of interest?

Freedom of thought is also a basic right. Pushing an agenda by blocking the means of earning is infringing upon that right. Ignore voting, if I work a progressive company but oppose BLM, and I get fired for it... What do you make of that? By your definition, there's a "conflict of interest" there too. So, is that also justified?

to answer your question, yes. in your example, your principle doesn't Co align with the corporate policy of the company and hence, may create an unhealthy work environment which will result in to company may get defame if you go public with your perspective. Your and the company's target audience is completely different and it may damage the reputation so it is justified to sack you from your job. If you feel it was unfair, you can always take the legal means to support your claim.

Coming to the KPL, it is against the national interest of India to held a different tournament for Kashmir since IPL exists (since India considers Kashmir as a whole under annexation treaty).

If the tournament organizers have publicized in a different way with a different name, no one would have objection. But they chose a political ground which will come in to the interest of the India and since it is cricket, BCCI will have to deal with it.

it'll be same if a state in India starts it's own premier league. BCCI won't allow it. Since pok is outside it's jurisdiction, BCCI isn't banning anyone rather, closing it's own door for those who plays. Those players can participate in any event except BCCI. Go to Australia, UK or even APL for jobs. No one is putting any restrictions there. Since $$$ talks, everyone wants to share a pie of India's cricket system. And if you want to have a pie, you'll have to work for India's interest.

 

[Ashmal]

Kpl mostly has retired cricketers anyways with no prospects in the IPL

Its not about playing in IPL, there's coaching and commentary gigs as well

 

[iniqbal223]

First , PCB should look themselves in mirror and , ask whether they have done justice to PSL owners by allowing a rival league
If PCB is so loving for Kashmir part, why not create another franchise for Kashmir


Totally farce by PCB, now they annoyed all stakeholders - PSL franchises , BCCI, etc.

 

[ahsan17]

to answer your question, yes. in your example, your principle doesn't Co align with the corporate policy of the company and hence, may create an unhealthy work environment which will result in to company may get defame if you go public with your perspective. Your and the company's target audience is completely different and it may damage the reputation so it is justified to sack you from your job. If you feel it was unfair, you can always take the legal means to support your claim.

Coming to the KPL, it is against the national interest of India to held a different tournament for Kashmir since IPL exists (since India considers Kashmir as a whole under annexation treaty).

If the tournament organizers have publicized in a different way with a different name, no one would have objection. But they chose a political ground which will come in to the interest of the India and since it is cricket, BCCI will have to deal with it.

it'll be same if a state in India starts it's own premier league. BCCI won't allow it. Since pok is outside it's jurisdiction, BCCI isn't banning anyone rather, closing it's own door for those who plays. Those players can participate in any event except BCCI. Go to Australia, UK or even APL for jobs. No one is putting any restrictions there. Since $$$ talks, everyone wants to share a pie of India's cricket system. And if you want to have a pie, you'll have to work for India's interest.

Do you have any logical reason other than 'its in India's interests'? Because that is scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to justifying it. I mean, why do you have an issue with Pakistan working in its own interests in saying Indian Kashmir or Afghanistan in that case?

 

[Ashmal]

First , PCB should look themselves in mirror and , ask whether they have done justice to PSL owners by allowing a rival league
If PCB is so loving for Kashmir part, why not create another franchise for Kashmir


Totally farce by PCB, now they annoyed all stakeholders - PSL franchises , BCCI, etc.

This hasn't been organised by PCB, it's a pvt league by Kashmiris.

And if PSL adds a Kashmiri team, expect a much more desperate response from BCCI given they can't digest this small time league

 

[Sunny_majoka]

Has ICC approved KPL? Or is it a rebel league like ICL?

Domestic tournaments doesn't need approval of icc. These are approved by full member and kpl is approved by PCB

 

[cricketjoshila]

BCCI has written to ICC for not to recognise the Kashmir Premier League starting on August 6th.

ICC has no role in recognising any domestic tournament.

 

[Itachi]

Do you have any logical reason other than 'its in India's interests'? Because that is scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to justifying it. I mean, why do you have an issue with Pakistan working in its own interests in saying Indian Kashmir or Afghanistan in that case?

No one has issues with Pakistan working for it's own interest.

But when it comes to Kashmir, things will change..

No one in India has problems with PSL. Have you heard any Indian talking PSL and that it shouldn't exist?

Its your house, it's your people, do whatever you want.

 

[ahsan17]

No one has issues with Pakistan working for it's own interest.



.

That's clearly not the case. You of all people have criticized Pakistan for working on its own interests. Remember, if you don't have a reasonable principal backing this interest, your argument looks very weak and usually will hurt you in the long run. Your own arguments here will be used against you in the future.

 

[offstump]

There really is no justification for this. “Indian interests” is broad brushing things, I mean how petty is it that the great giant BCCI is trying to squash a domestic cricket league aimed at promoting and helping Kashmiri cricketers. Just poor stuff all around. Mature countries who look to be leaders in any facet would not stoop to this level, they would separate politics from sports because that’s the spirit and one of the founding principles of sport itself, it’s meant to bring people together.

 

[Itachi]

That's clearly not the case. You of all people have criticized Pakistan for working on its own interests. Remember, if you don't have a reasonable principal backing this interest, your argument looks very weak and usually will hurt you in the long run. Your own arguments here will be used against you in the future.

quote my words where I've objected Pakistan/PCB working for it's own interest.

 

[Itachi]

There really is no justification for this. “Indian interests” is broad brushing things, I mean how petty is it that the great giant BCCI is trying to squash a domestic cricket league aimed at promoting and helping Kashmiri cricketers. Just poor stuff all around. Mature countries who look to be leaders in any facet would not stoop to this level, they would separate politics from sports because that’s the spirit and one of the founding principles of sport itself, it’s meant to bring people together.

No one is squashing KPL. BCCI doesn't have that jurisdiction in the first place.

Its survival of the fittest. If KPL is fit to survive, it can do it on its own.

BCCI is looking after it's own interest. KPL should do the same.

 

[ahsan17]

quote my words where I've objected Pakistan/PCB working for it's own interest.

Not interested in wasting time going through historic posts, but you sure you haven't criticized Pakistan for their alleged role in Indian Kashmir or Afghanistan?

 

[MenInG]

First , PCB should look themselves in mirror and , ask whether they have done justice to PSL owners by allowing a rival league
If PCB is so loving for Kashmir part, why not create another franchise for Kashmir


Totally farce by PCB, now they annoyed all stakeholders - PSL franchises , BCCI, etc.

So the PCB goes on an does a Kashmir franchise.

The Kashmir franchise then gets Muzaffarabad stadium ready for its home games.

Will the BCCI object to that?

 

[Itachi]

Not interested in wasting time going through historic posts, but you sure you haven't criticized Pakistan for their alleged role in Indian Kashmir or Afghanistan?

Yes, I am sure. Whatever Pakistan does in Afghanistan or elsewhere, there is no concern for me. It's your people, your external affairs. None of my concerns.

 

[MenInG]

Federal Minister for Information and Broadcasting Fawad Chaudhry on Sunday said that it was highly unfortunate that the former South African cricketer, Herschelle Gibbs among other retired international players were pressured by the Indian cricket board to withdraw from the Kashmir Premier League (KPL).

Speaking to the media, he said that Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has used cricket for political gains in the past as well which was strongly condemnable.

He said that pressuring Gibbs not to participate in KPL will not harm the Kashmir movement, rather it will benefit it. "By stopping international players for their irrational political objectives, Indian rulers will harm themselves," he added.

Fawad said that as there were millions of cricket fans in both India and Pakistan, cricket should be kept separate from politics.

He said that Kashmir Premier League was important for Pakistan cricket and people wanted to see the matches.

Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI), earlier this week, had called multiple ICC members and forced them to withdraw their retired cricketers from partaking in KPL, which is scheduled for August 6-16 in Muzaffarabad.


https://tribune.com.pk/story/231338...participate-in-kpl-strongly-condemnable-fawad

 

[Golden arm]

Indians are insecure about so many things. From power to looks to so many other things, mostly indian men and often blindly patritotic as well. Its something that ive observed over the years and always wonder how the insecurity came about and the historical context.
Fascinating case study to be honest.

For India its pakistan occupied kashmir and part of India.

For Pak it's Indias occupied kashmir

It's a simple logic

I don't understand why some posters are so hard brainwashed to understand this

There is no international border just a line of control

Hundreds of resolutions still in UN which your own PM took to UN

 

[UzmanBeast]

Why complain by other posters if it helps the case?

On one hand, you are stating that it's helping kpl but on other hand, you guys are complaining why BCCI did this?

KPL being benefited was just a supplementary outcome of the action the BCCI took.

In another scenario, it could have been that the BCCI privately contacted the ICC as I stated to get the league removed, which would not have given it the popularity.

The complaints that are rising are because BCCI has continued to abuse its power and attempt to sway boards to prohibit their players from participating in other leagues. How long before the BCCI tells players that they cannot play any other T20 competitions apart from IPL?

It is clear that the BCCI is insecure about the KPL for reasons that we cannot know exactly but we can guess. Personally, I think that KPL shows that Pakistan is taking the right initiative to conduct more inclusive activities within Azad Kashmir, by uniting those people through sport. Why the BCCI feels threatened by this can only be guessed, and my guess is that they are a bit frustrated because the goal of KPL seems to be genuinely geared towards improving the quality of cricket in the Kashmir region, an initiative the BCCI had not taken through the means of a league.

My guess would be proven correct if BCCI adds a team from Kashmir into the IPL, and if I'm not mistaken, the next IPL season will have more teams so I won't have to wait that long either.

Of course, can I fully say that the KPL is solely to improve the standard of cricket in Kashmir? No, I can't be certain, because if it were, I think the PCB would have played a bigger role.

I'll make my final judgement once the league has concluded, and if I see a visible impact.

 

[street cricketer]

There really is no justification for this. “Indian interests” is broad brushing things, I mean how petty is it that the great giant BCCI is trying to squash a domestic cricket league aimed at promoting and helping Kashmiri cricketers. Just poor stuff all around. Mature countries who look to be leaders in any facet would not stoop to this level, they would separate politics from sports because that’s the spirit and one of the founding principles of sport itself, it’s meant to bring people together.

Some of the comments made by the organisers and other guests in the official opening ceremony of the KPL:

He added that KPL will bring cricket talent of Kashmir to mainstream cricket world.

Imran Ismail on this occasion said that KPL in Azad Kashmir will give a clear message to world that there is peace on this side of Kashmir while life has become difficult for people in Indian-held Kashmir.

“This is evidence to the world, they can see how different these two parts of Kashmir are,” he said at the launch of KPL.

He said that the role of media to this effect was also important.

He also congratulated the owners of the Kotli Lions on the occasion.

MNA and Chairman of Parliamentary Committee on Kashmir Shehryar Afridi through video link said that all stakeholders stand behind KPL. He said that it is a high-time to show that what is happening on the other side of the border and this side of the border. He said that the would will also own KPL.

ISLAMABAD (APP) - Federal Minister for Economic Affairs Omar Ayub believed the Kashmir Premier League (KPL) has echoed voices of concern in the neighbouring country India, as a league would run in Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) whereas the Indian Illegally-Occupied Jammu and Kashmir (IIOJ&K) was kept under fear and captivity. “KPL was a golden opportunity for the Kashmiri cricketers to prove their mettle and show the world what Kashmir really is,” he said while addressing the logo unveiling ceremony of SRG KPL here at a local hotel. He urged the players to come on front foot and play with courage just like our leader Prime Minister Imran Khan who has raised the cause of Kashmir in the whole world. “I want the players to play freely and live bravely. Where India has spread fear in IIOJ&K, the KPL will be played with freedom and courage in AJK showing the world the real and actual face of Kashmir. The colour of the league will cross the line of control (LoC) from Muzaffarabad,” he said. He also lauded the KPL management saying they deserve congratulations. “I will land in the stadium while paragliding during KPL,” he said.

It's a bit much lecturing about not mixing sports and politics together and castigating the BCCI for it when the KPL itself became political way before. You are either for mixing politics and sports together or against it completely. You can't be like I can talk about politics but you are petty if you do the same. That's just hypocrisy.

 

[Itachi]

KPL being benefited was just a supplementary outcome of the action the BCCI took.

In another scenario, it could have been that the BCCI privately contacted the ICC as I stated to get the league removed, which would not have given it the popularity.

The complaints that are rising are because BCCI has continued to abuse its power and attempt to sway boards to prohibit their players from participating in other leagues. How long before the BCCI tells players that they cannot play any other T20 competitions apart from IPL?

It is clear that the BCCI is insecure about the KPL for reasons that we cannot know exactly but we can guess. Personally, I think that KPL shows that Pakistan is taking the right initiative to conduct more inclusive activities within Azad Kashmir, by uniting those people through sport. Why the BCCI feels threatened by this can only be guessed, and my guess is that they are a bit frustrated because the goal of KPL seems to be genuinely geared towards improving the quality of cricket in the Kashmir region, an initiative the BCCI had not taken through the means of a league.

My guess would be proven correct if BCCI adds a team from Kashmir into the IPL, and if I'm not mistaken, the next IPL season will have more teams so I won't have to wait that long either.

Of course, can I fully say that the KPL is solely to improve the standard of cricket in Kashmir? No, I can't be certain, because if it were, I think the PCB would have played a bigger role.

I'll make my final judgement once the league has concluded, and if I see a visible impact.

The whole post of yours is based on your guess, speculation, conspiracy. I am not here to validate or invalidate those speculations/conspiracies.

If you talk about facts and statements/documentations in our hands that is shown/said in public, there's a prospect of discussion.

Otherwise I also can make a lots of speculation and conspiracies but that does not make it a valid argument.

 

[UzmanBeast]

The whole post of yours is based on your guess, speculation, conspiracy. I am not here to validate or invalidate those speculations/conspiracies.

If you talk about facts and statements/documentations in our hands that is shown/said in public, there's a prospect of discussion.

Otherwise I also can make a lots of speculation and conspiracies but that does not make it a valid argument.

In a situation like this, there is very little certainty. From what we know, Gibbs was threatened by the BCCI along with other players, of whom a few pulled out from the league. This has been confirmed by the agent(s) of a few participating players, the KPL owners, and the PCB. However, the BCCI is yet to release an official statement reacting to the proceedings.

That's why I said I would make a final judgement when the league has concluded because by then, a lot of this stuff would have become clear.

My point right now is quite simple: Pakistan is responsible for the development and improvement of cricket in our country, and the same applies for India. The KPL is a domestic tournament geared towards improving the standard of cricket in Kashmir. The owners of the KPL have already stated that the league aims to provide opportunities for the Kashmiri youth and give them a platform to get noticed by domestic selectors.

The Ranji Trophy has a team from J&K as well, so not only is the BCCI being hypocritical, they are also choosing to ignore their own actions.

From what I know, the ICC is not responsible for approval of such T20 leagues because they are ultimately domestic competitions, where ICC is not permitted to interfere. If ICC had any influence on these T20 leagues, you would at least get some statements from them regarding these leagues, but you don't.

 

[Rajdeep]

Looks like Panesar wont be taking part in KPL

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I have decided not to participate in the KPL because of the political tensions between India and Pakistan over kashmir issues. I don't want to be in the middle of this , it would make me feel uncomfortable. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KPL2021?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KPL2021</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/india?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#india</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvIND</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheHundred?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TheHundred</a></p>— Monty Panesar (@MontyPanesar) <a href="https://twitter.com/MontyPanesar/status/1421901772252237828?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 1, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Itachi]

My point right now is quite simple: Pakistan is responsible for the development and improvement of cricket in our country, and the same applies for India. The KPL is a domestic tournament geared towards improving the standard of cricket in Kashmir. The owners of the KPL have already stated that the league aims to provide opportunities for the Kashmiri youth and give them a platform to get noticed by domestic selectors.

The Ranji Trophy has a team from J&K as well, so not only is the BCCI being hypocritical, they are also choosing to ignore their own actions.

How does hypocrisy is relevant to J&K having a team in ranji with that of KPL?

 

[Saj]

If someone wants to work in India, then they will have to align themselves for the interest of India. If it's too hard to follow the principles, then you may choose to work elsewhere

On one hand, you want to work here and earn $$$, on the other hand, you will be playing in a tournament with political agenda attached with it which goes against interest of India.

That simply does not work. If you are working at my house, you'll have to follow my rules. if it's too hard to accept, you can always choose a different house.

You keep using the word choose, but that's exactly what BCCI is stopping people from doing.

 

[Real_Steel]

This thread is delusional. BCCI is free to take a stance on who plays in India and who does not. Usage of words like "threatening" etc is dramatic. Its up to Mr Gibbs or anyone else. Its a choice - play in KPL and forget India. Dont play in KPL BCCI will consider.

This baby rant about dont mix politics and cricket us also delusional. Everything about any large organization anywhere is political and guided by governments whether its a sports or music or film organization. Grow up