"We've had information from foreign players & their agents BCCI's pressurising them to not play KPL"

[WhenSultansBowled]

This league would have had no profile and would most likely died a commercial death pretty quickly and in steps BCCI to show their Hitleresque tendencies to give it the oxygen of publicity

Well said.

I don't think many people do even care about so many random T20 leagues. I am yet to watch a complete IPL/PSL game. I've seen some random Babar Azam/VK/Rohit innings or Amir/SSA spell but the whole thing isn't attractive to me. Maybe if I get so bored someday and have nothing else to do I'll pirate stream it...

That said, this is all about principle.

This kind of behavior exposes BCCI's blatant agenda. It is shameful and unacceptable in a civilized world.

I wish Kashmir Premier League a bright future and I'm buying stream to support it. Can't wait!

 

[anonymous_guy]

but why kpl suddenly no other States leagues was arranged in such a scale in Pakistan. thr must be cricket crazy ppl around pakistan in other States also

Its like we will politisied things but if other people object we will go gaga over it.

if one board goes low to satisfy their political masters same ways other boards wil react.

There is a T20 league currently going on in Quetta.

 

[anonymous_guy]

So foreigners only for KPL. Thought so.

"Arron Summers" played in National t20 cup, in Karachi.

Side note:-
Summers killed his own career after what he did.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol! Again, they cant do that openly even in their IPL committee and you really think IPL franchises will straight away accept it. If they would do any such thing it will become open as if suddenly a guys like Rashid Khan, Faf, Lynn etc. stop getting selected in IPL, it will only escalate things. BCCI management or Govt will have to be crazy to try and become straight forward villain in the world of cricket.

When billions are involved its not child’s play where you can say I will throw this toy out of the pram or will throw that toy out if you won’t listen to me. Potentially damaging IPL in an effort to damage another league would be last thing BCCI would want to do, let alone the stakeholders who invest money into it. They couldn’t even terminate contract of Vivo after the China-India face off. So I guess you get an idea.

Vivo was dropped for a year

Franchise are Indians, they would know the reaction of the common people if they support psl over BCCI.

Except pakistanis, all top players play the IPL. So missing a few players wont affect the IPL.

The only dent BCCI may have to take is to hike the players' remuneration to offset their PSL loss.

And there are various ways of stopping players from going to PSL. Another way is to make them sign exclusive contracts for higher pay.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No its not. That's why it is called Pakistani administered Kashmir.

For India its pakistan occupied kashmir and part of India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I think it would be great idea if BBCI (Aka Indian Government did that)..
It would be beautiful. Just imagine Pakistani flags in the crowed.. the chants of Afridi...

A real slap on the face

Kashmiris have played in the IPL and even represented India.

 

[Saj]

So even the retired English players have pulled out of taking part in the KPL.

I guess they've got one eye on IPL gigs in future one day.

 

[MenInG]

New Delhi: The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has slammed former Proteas batsman Herschelle Gibbs and the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB), saying the Indian board is well within their rights to take decisions with respect to the cricketing ecosystem in the country.

This response from the BCCI comes on the same day when former Proteas batsman Gibbs criticised the Indian board for allegedly stopping him to play in the Kashmir Premier League.

"While one can neither confirm or deny the veracity of the statement made by a former player who has figured in a CBI investigation into match-fixing earlier, the PCB must understand that even if Gibb's statement is assumed to be true, the BCCI would be well within their rights to take decisions with respect to the cricketing ecosystem in India. The fact that the Indian cricketing ecosystem is the most sought after for cricketing opportunities globally, should not be envied by the PCB," a BCCI official told ANI.

"PCB is coming across as confused. Just the way the decision to not allow players of Pakistani origin to participate in the IPL cannot be construed as interfering in the internal affairs of an ICC member, the decision, if any, to allow or disallow anyone from participating in any manner with cricket within India is purely an internal matter of the BCCI," the official added.

The official also said that the PCB can take up the matter with the ICC, but in the end, everyone knows why the Pakistan board is behaving this way, and what is motivating their actions.

"They are welcome to raise the matter at the ICC and one can understand where this is coming from but the question that they need to ask themselves is whether it is on account of government interference in their working since the PM of Pakistan is officially their Patron as per their own constitution. It is time to consider whether this issue also ought to be raised at the ICC," said the official.

Earlier on Saturday, former Proteas batsman Gibbs took to Twitter to say: "Completely unnecessary of the [MENTION=14959]bcci[/MENTION] to bring their political agenda with Pakistan into the equation and trying to prevent me playing in the @kpl_20. Also threatening me saying they won`t allow me entry into India for any cricket related work. Ludicrous."

After this, the PCB also issued a statement, saying: "The PCB believes the BCCI has once again breached international norms and the spirit of the gentleman`s game by interfering in internal affairs of the ICC Members as the KPL has been approved by the PCB."

Not impressed by this statement, the BCCI official added, "The PCB would do well to peruse the ICC`s classification of official cricket. In the eventuality that a retired player is participating as a player in a tournament, it would not quite be official cricket and any permission granted would be moot. I am not really sure how they are reading this to mean what they are intending it to mean, but then the PCB`s positioning is always bemusing. They should allow cricket to entertain rather than their decision making."

https://zeenews.india.com/cricket/b...ver-kashmir-premier-league-issue-2380705.html

 

[Bewal Express]

For India its pakistan occupied kashmir and part of India.

Cut to the chase- do you support this blackmailing

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

So the alegations were proven to be true.

At first, I too found it hard to believe but sad to see it to be true.

BCCI is practically headed by Jay Shah.

A complete and utter dakkan of the first order.

Awaiting some weak lame excuse in 3....2....1.

[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] do you know what is the exact reason behind organizing the KPL when PSL is already there.? Think?
Also the lame excuse they are giving is that Kashmir is a part of India.

 

[MenInG]

[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] do you know what is the exact reason behind organizing the KPL when PSL is already there.? Think?
Also the lame excuse they are giving is that Kashmir is a part of India.

Have you read about the KPL.

Think.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If it’s an integral part of India then why doesn’t the Indian government do something about it? Why are you guys allowing us to start a league in “India”

Taiwan is playing in Olympics. But they cant use their name. Why? Because according to China, Taiwan is its integral part. Hence the name used is Chinese Taipei.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

There's only one reason behind organizing KPL when PSL already exists.
The main aim of this league has already been accomplished.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So even the retired English players have pulled out of taking part in the KPL.

I guess they've got one eye on IPL gigs in future one day.

Some like Panesar work in Indian media.

Participation in KPL will make that person a pariah in India.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

I have never seen any Premier league handle retweeting a controversial tweet related to politics on its twitter handle lol
But then when the prime aim of the league is itself political then that's not really surprising.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

If bcci forces players to not play in Psl it's totally wrong but when you design a league specifically to agitate the all powerful board then that's what you get.

 

[Devadwal]

Now gibbs is Pakistan fans hero but they forget what he called Pakistani fans in past .lol

 

[MenInG]

There's only one reason behind organizing KPL when PSL already exists.
The main aim of this league has already been accomplished.

Once again you are talking without reading up on the subject.

Read our detailed interview on this where your questions have been answered.

Once done, comeback and post something sensible.

 

[Ashmal]

There's only one reason behind organizing KPL when PSL already exists.
The main aim of this league has already been accomplished.

Why India organises TNPL, Karnataka league when IPL already exists.
Stop your mental gymastics....just accept that you support the bullying tactics of BCCI/GoI rather than beating around the bush.

 

[Ashmal]

Now gibbs is Pakistan fans hero but they forget what he called Pakistani fans in past .lol

Its not about Gibbs, it's about the insecurity displayed by BCCI

 

[Sher Khan]

Some Indian posters here are writing that the aim of the league is political? Please explain how it is political? The league was created to give exposure and a chance to local talent in the Azad Kashmir region( which is a part of Pakistan). It is no different to a Karachi Premier League. Why does India need to be involved or have anything to do with a Pakistani-based league?

 

[Devadwal]

Why India organises TNPL, Karnataka league when IPL already exists.
Stop your mental gymastics....just accept that you support the bullying tactics of BCCI/GoI rather than beating around the bush.

Those league purely based on Local player's. Try again

 

[Devadwal]

Bro this KPL is about Azad Kashmir not J and K. Azad Kashmir is a part of Pakistan what are you on about?

That is from Pakistan point of view .indian point of view is entire Jammu & Kashmir is part of india .this is the reason GOI/Bcci apposing this move.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Taiwan is playing in Olympics. But they cant use their name. Why? Because according to China, Taiwan is its integral part. Hence the name used is Chinese Taipei.

Ok congratulations, how’s that relevant to what I posted lol? Have you guys named Kashmir as Mumbai or something lol?

 

[Titan24]

Vivo was dropped for a year

Franchise are Indians, they would know the reaction of the common people if they support psl over BCCI.

Except pakistanis, all top players play the IPL. So missing a few players wont affect the IPL.

The only dent BCCI may have to take is to hike the players' remuneration to offset their PSL loss.

And there are various ways of stopping players from going to PSL. Another way is to make them sign exclusive contracts for higher pay.

It wont just be about few players missing rather the poor image which it will give to BCCI and IPL. Franchises bought into not selecting Pak players because of the known reasons, convincing them into buying childish tantrums to not select a player playing in PSL wont be as easy as you are making it out to be. Common Indian just want to see IPL, it doesn’t bother them even if two IPL teams get banned due to fixing allegations.

IPL and players both serve each others purpose. Trying to convince every player to not play PSL which is also recognized by ICC like any other league and control their free will by giving them warnings might not work as easily as using a political face mask incase of KPL might do.

You have a lot of misunderstandings and assumptions going on.

 

[Devadwal]

I can see foreign players have to choose between IPL & PSL in future seeing current scenario. this KPL move can backfire Badly in future.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

BCCI is not ceasing the existance of the league, they are simply saying anyone participating in this league should not make a living in India. Monty Panesar for example works for India Today but he cant work there anymore if he wants to participate in this league.

India considers entire Kashmir belongs to India and occupied Kashmir is a land forcefully occupied by Pakistan. Remember Amit Shah's famous dialogue in Lok Sabha "Jaan de denge Kashmir ke liye" and how Adhiranjan Choudhury got scared after such ferocity shown by our beloved home minister? So any player participating on a league organized in a place which India considers as occupied, cant make a living in mainland India. Think that is the line of reasong of BCCI.

All the above is applicable only if Gibbs speaking the truth though. After Rihanna's fake tweet for which she charged money, I dont trust these tweets at all from celebrities and tend to look at them from suspicious eyes.

I know what BCCI is intending to say.

Its like an employer saying I will treat my employees however I want and if they dont like it, they are always free to quit their job.

Not like i am holding them as slaves.

What BCCI is doing is just that.

Bhai.....amit shah will ghanta give his life for kashmir.

But he will happily make a living making ppl believe he will.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] do you know what is the exact reason behind organizing the KPL when PSL is already there.? Think?
Also the lame excuse they are giving is that Kashmir is a part of India.

I guess Karnataka premier league and tamil nadu premier league have sinister motives too.

Why organize them when you have IPL?

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Even if the motives are sinister....and i honestly dont know what that could be.....there was no need for bcci to impose this ban.

Lets stretch the same logic.

One of the common arguments by Indian fans against playing Pakistan is that PCB gets money which Pak government and army use to funds terrorists.

If so, then why hasnt BCCI not banned players fromplaying in PSL?

Dont they see they are making PSL rich...hence Pak govt rich ..hence Pak army rich...hence terrorists get aided?

Dum hai to ABDV and all players ko ban karo....

Stretch it even further...why play Pak in WC games? Isolate them completely by threatning ICC to pull out...

Is that too far?

Who decides whats too far?

You see, all these current gimmicks are bahanas to fool gullible folks for political gains.

And many fall for this hook, line and sinker unfortunately.

 

[MenInG]

I urge you all again to read

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...p-become-superstars-as-well-quot-Taimoor-Khan

understand what the KPL is trying to do.

 

[Saj]

Some like Panesar work in Indian media.

Participation in KPL will make that person a pariah in India.

Individual choice, but why put your name in the draft in the first place if this was going to be an issue.

I think the KPL is better off without such folk.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I guess Karnataka premier league and tamil nadu premier league have sinister motives too.

Why organize them when you have IPL?

---

Even if the motives are sinister....and i honestly dont know what that could be.....there was no need for bcci to impose this ban.

Lets stretch the same logic.

One of the common arguments by Indian fans against playing Pakistan is that PCB gets money which Pak government and army use to funds terrorists.

If so, then why hasnt BCCI not banned players fromplaying in PSL?

Dont they see they are making PSL rich...hence Pak govt rich ..hence Pak army rich...hence terrorists get aided?

Dum hai to ABDV and all players ko ban karo....

Stretch it even further...why play Pak in WC games? Isolate them completely by threatning ICC to pull out...

Is that too far?

Who decides whats too far?

You see, all these current gimmicks are bahanas to fool gullible folks for political gains.

And many fall for this hook, line and sinker unfortunately.

Which part of the fact that this league is being played in PoK hence the issue, is beyond you?

The fact that you are supporting pakistan in Kashmir because of your hatred towards Modi, is really shocking.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Individual choice, but why put your name in the draft in the first place if this was going to be an issue.

I think the KPL is better off without such folk.

Most likely none of them knew this will blow up like this.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I can see foreign players have to choose between IPL & PSL in future seeing current scenario. this KPL move can backfire Badly in future.

May be. And it will not be a good thing.

 

[ahsan17]

BCCI statement as usual trying to deflect, obfuscate, and muddy the waters. Very typical BJP approach to not actually say anything relevant but appear to be saying so.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Aren't there cricketers who participate in PSL and IPL?

 

[Saj]

Most likely none of them knew this will blow up like this.

It was always bound to happen with the current BCCI regime.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It was always bound to happen with the current BCCI regime.

This would happen with any regime. Kashmir is non negotiable for India.

 

[ahsan17]

Which part of the fact that this league is being played in PoK hence the issue, is beyond you?

The fact that you are supporting pakistan in Kashmir because of your hatred towards Modi, is really shocking.

That is also lame logic. By that logic, India should sanction any foreigner that visits, invests, or in anyway helps in any development activity in AJK. I was fully expecting when BJP minions to try to defend the indefensible here. Not surprised at all.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Where will this league be played? Will there be crowd? We have heard stories that people in Pakistan side of Kashmir are not happy, army tortures them, they don't want anything to do with Pakistan. If this league happens all these stories will get exposed. May be that's the reason behind India's/BJP's insecurity?

 

[Ashmal]

Where will this league be played? Will there be crowd? We have heard stories that people in Pakistan side of Kashmir are not happy, army tortures them, they don't want anything to do with Pakistan. If this league happens all these stories will get exposed. May be that's the reason behind India's/BJP's insecurity?

This is an own-goal by BCCI/GoI.

Their childish tantrums has only helped in bringing a lot more media attention to this league which would've largely gone unnoticed if not for this.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Which part of the fact that this league is being played in PoK hence the issue, is beyond you?

The fact that you are supporting pakistan in Kashmir because of your hatred towards Modi, is really shocking.

Yes....as if other economic activities in POK doesnt happen.

This aint about Modi or Kashmir.

Slightly amused that you think i am doing this cos I hate Modi (which i do).

Its about stupid arbitrary yardsticks.

As if doing this will make POK become part of India.

And if we are so concerned, why dont we do the same to PSL for reasons mentioned in my previous post?

I am quoting the same reasons you yourselves mentioned to me sooo many times in the past.

And i dont even want to start the topic about how many Indians saying we are ok with status quo and want LOC to be the defacto border (arent you in this category if im not wrong)

But suddenly they are up in arms about this.

At the end of the day, its all political drama.

Great for posturing.

Riling up folks.

Making them think they are patriotic for doing ghanta.

Bindaas scheme if you ask me lol.

 

[Mesozoic]

This is an own-goal by BCCI/GoI.

Their childish tantrums has only helped in bringing a lot more media attention to this league which would've largely gone unnoticed if not for this.

Lol. If you notice carefully you'll see which side is actually throwing those "childish tantrums".


BCCI are probably watching this meltdown with a bucket of hot popcorn on their tables.

 

[Saj]

Lol. If you notice carefully you'll see which side is actually throwing those "childish tantrums".


BCCI are probably watching this meltdown with a bucket of hot popcorn on their tables.

Running around and asking people not to take part in a tournament is hardly watching a meltdown.

 

[Devadwal]

I can see foreign players have to choose between IPL & PSL in future seeing current scenario. this KPL move can backfire Badly in future.

PCB will make sure this will happen due to their Kashmir propaganda . Just like 2009 when they were refuse to send their players in IPL ,what Happened after that anyone know.

 

[Muddaser]

Pakistan should protest any match taking place in IOK, Junagadh and Deccan Hyderabad from now on.

 

[Mesozoic]

Running around and asking people not to take part in a tournament is hardly watching a meltdown.

BCCI is a highly professional organization run by some of the most sturdy individuals in South Asia.

If you really think they were "running around" asking all these retired players to pull out of an insignificant tournament, I'm afraid you don't know much about them.

 

[Saj]

BCCI is a highly professional organization run by some of the most sturdy individuals in South Asia.

If you really think they were "running around" asking all these retired players to pull out of an insignificant tournament, I'm afraid you don't know much about them.

If they are that sturdy, why worry about the KPL and why run around asking players not to take part in it.

If they are that sturdy, they have no need to worry about the KPL.

 

[MenInG]

If they are that sturdy, why worry about the KPL and why run around asking players not to take part in it.

If they are that sturdy, they have no need to worry about the KPL.

The definition of insecurity.

 

[sharmaji]

Terrible business by BCCI. Quite shameful. Comes across as petty, insecure and arrogant. This doesn't suit the richest board with the most successful league in the world. Someone needs to put sense into their heads. Separate politics from sport. Handle both professionally. I thought Ganguly will change things. Apparently not.

I understand that I am nobody, but I apologise to Pak cricket fans for this childish and snobbish behaviour of BCCI.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Really disappointing that BCCI is once again mixing cricket and politics! KPL is a league for Kashmir, Pakistan and cricket fans around the world. We will put up a wonderful show and won't be deterred with such behaviour!! <a href="https://t.co/J9XcbEeUF6">https://t.co/J9XcbEeUF6</a></p>— Shahid Afridi (@SAfridiOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial/status/1421502156545351683?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

BCCI is a highly professional organization run by some of the most sturdy individuals in South Asia.

If you really think they were "running around" asking all these retired players to pull out of an insignificant tournament, I'm afraid you don't know much about them.

Retired players? I have seen BCCI asking current players to stay away from lCL as well. They are pretty insecure.

Life ban for players joining ICL: BCCI

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext
/news/life-ban-for-players-joining-icl-bcci-541104.html

BCCI is known for acting childish and threatening in the past as well.

BCCI threatens to snap ties with ICC: Report

The Board of Control for Cricket in India “will pull out of all agreements” with the International Cricket Council if the world governing body for the sports takes the extreme step of taking the rights to host the ICC Champions Trophy and the 2023 ICC World Cup back from India.

https://www.insidesport.co/bcci-threatens-snap-ties-icc-report-217022018/

It seems you are the only who knows nothing about BCCI here.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If they are that sturdy, why worry about the KPL and why run around asking players not to take part in it.

If they are that sturdy, they have no need to worry about the KPL.

KPL is being played in PoK. Thats why.

 

[Slim]

BCCI is cancer for world cricket. I have always maintained that and it is true every single time!

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

BCCI is a highly professional organization run by some of the most sturdy individuals in South Asia.

If these are the most sturdy people in South Asia then that part of the region is doomed.



It is first time ever in my life I'm seeing people defend a bunch of suits. Even suits dislike suits.

how many threads per week are posted criticizing PCB here?

 

[Extra_Cover]

Kashmir and Kashmiris are integral part of India

If a foreign player is looking to be part of Kashmir Premier League in Pakistan, he is directly or indirectly endorsing Pak’s illegal occupation.

Such a person has no place in India.

By that logic why this special treatment is reserved for KPL? How about any foreign teacher teaching in Azad Kashmir or any foreign doctor treating in Azad Kashmir should get Indian sanctions too.

Go a bit further and sanction those numerous tourist / bloggers who not only visit Azad Kashmir but also promote tourism in an occupied territory. Why are there no actions on these people that play a more significant role in promotion of Azad Kashmir than KPL?

Hypocisy is hypocrisy there are no two ways about it. This act by BCCI is simply embarrassing. Good luck defending it while being unbiased.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

KPL is being played in PoK. Thats why.

Why is BCCI bothered about non-Indian players like Gibbs playing in Pakistan?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes....as if other economic activities in POK doesnt happen.

This aint about Modi or Kashmir.

Slightly amused that you think i am doing this cos I hate Modi (which i do).

Its about stupid arbitrary yardsticks.

As if doing this will make POK become part of India.

And if we are so concerned, why dont we do the same to PSL for reasons mentioned in my previous post?

I am quoting the same reasons you yourselves mentioned to me sooo many times in the past.

And i dont even want to start the topic about how many Indians saying we are ok with status quo and want LOC to be the defacto border (arent you in this category if im not wrong)

But suddenly they are up in arms about this.

At the end of the day, its all political drama.

Great for posturing.

Riling up folks.

Making them think they are patriotic for doing ghanta.

Bindaas scheme if you ask me lol.

PSL has nothing to do with Indo Pak dispute.

Yes i want LoC to be the IB. But what is pakistan doing in kashmir? Is that not relevant? Why is UNSC and other countries banning pakistanis for their activities in kashmir?

China forced IOC to stop Taiwan from using that name, and they are called Chinese Taipei.

Allowing pcb and pakistan to host KPL in pok and administer cricket there without protest would mean accepting pakistan's claim.

 

[MenInG]

PSL has nothing to do with Indo Pak dispute.

Yes i want LoC to be the IB. But what is pakistan doing in kashmir? Is that not relevant? Why is UNSC and other countries banning pakistanis for their activities in kashmir?

China forced IOC to stop Taiwan from using that name, and they are called Chinese Taipei.

Allowing pcb and pakistan to host KPL in pok and administer cricket there without protest would mean accepting pakistan's claim.

Repeat after me.

BCCI is a cricket board.

It not the sporting arm of the BJP.

Think you are missing the point.

If the GOI were to approach UK Gov or SA Gov, we can have above arguments.

It is not becoming of a sports body to be taking political decisions.

How hard is that to understand?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Repeat after me.

BCCI is a cricket board.

It not the sporting arm of the BJP.

Think you are missing the point.

If the GOI were to approach UK Gov or SA Gov, we can have above arguments.

It is not becoming of a sports body to be taking political decisions.

How hard is that to understand?

BCCI or any organisation in India is bound by what the Indian constitution says.

And its the Indian government. Bjp congress or anything else, doesn't matter.

 

[MenInG]

We will not have the who owns Kashmir arguments on this thread.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

BCCI or any organisation in India is bound by what the Indian constitution says.

And its the Indian government. Bjp congress or anything else, doesn't matter.

Are you sure? Does that mean PCB wasn't wrong when they asked for visa assurance from BCCI before T20 World Cup? You were pretty vocal during that time and going after Ehsan Mani for asking that from BCCI and not Indian government.

 

[street cricketer]

I stand corrected, the BCCI seems to have indeed acted true to the allegations. I do not support it but to be honest, this was predictable. People often say sports and politics should not be mixed but it always does get mixed all over the world. The KPL itself seems to be something of a political statement with the coincidentally named tagline "Khelo aazadi se" and the official anthem also coincidentally named the "Aazadi anthem". Having a separate team for the "overseas" Kashmiris and the organisers and players like Afridi making political comments in its opening ceremony was always going to irk the BCCI. The organisers were also clever in roping in some foreign players (even if retired) to improve the publicity of the league, which is generally unusual for a state or a provincial T20 league. It's not hard to read between the lines what the organisers are trying to get at here. Of course, it is to promote cricket in Pakistan administered Kashmir too, but one would be lying if he said there is zero pr element connected to it. Soft power does go a long way in representing international disputes to the world and Pakistan seems to have upped its soft power and pr game greatly in recent times (it used to be terrible at this in the past) after it comprehensively emerged with better pr and reputation after the feb 27 incident (India's game in soft power and pr seems to have actually deteriorated a bit if I'm honest).

As for the BCCI's actions, this was always going to happen. It's not a question of trying to spite Pakistan as they would have banned players from playing the IPL who were participating in the PSL if they wished to do so. There are also many commentators who feature both in the PSL and the IPL. But Kashmir is a red line for the Indian state and therefore this was always going to happen. This is only new if people don't read the news. China's three red lines are the 3 Ts - Tibet, Taiwan and Tiananmen and it would take very strict action if anyone crosses these red lines. There's a reason Taiwan is called Chinese Taipei at the Olympics and they can't have their own flag or have their anthem played for gold medal winners. I mean, their state tv stopped the broadcast of the opening ceremony in China just when the Taiwanese contingent entered the stadium. And recently China blacked out the NBA broadcast after one of the owners of an NBA team tweeted in support of Hong Kong when the it was in the headlines. I don't think it has repealed the official ban yet. Many muslim athletes regularly refrain from playing against Israeli athletes in the Olympics and nearly half the world boycotted the Olympics that happened in Russia and instead had their own games in the US.

So sport and politics have been getting mixed since time immemorial, which is a shame imo. I personally don't think it should happen, I think India should play with Pakistan in cricket regularly but this was always going to happen because every state has certain red lines. I don't think China would have taken too pleasantly if India had organised a football league in Arunachal Pradesh with a team representing the Tibetans living in India. To be honest, I actually think the BCCI has inadvertently given the league more publicity that it would have garnered otherwise with a bunch of retired players.

 

[Runner Up]

What if PSL includes another franchise from Kashmir? AJK Warriors or Muzafarabad Lions?

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Former international cricketers are being threatened and warned by the Indian cricket board against taking part in the inaugural Kashmir Premier League (KPL) cricket tournament, organisers and players have said.

The KPL is scheduled to start from August 6 in Muzaffarabad in Pakistan-administered Kashmir and will be contested by six teams captained by Pakistan’s current and former cricketers – Shahid Afridi, Mohammad Hafeez, Shoaib Malik, Fakhar Zaman, Shadab Khan and Imad Wasim.

On Saturday, former South African cricketer Herschelle Gibbs tweeted that the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) warned him against taking part in the league which has been sanctioned by the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB).

“Completely unnecessary of the [MENTION=14959]bcci[/MENTION] to bring their political agenda with Pakistan into the equation and trying to prevent me playing in the @kpl_20. Also threatening me saying they won’t allow me entry into India for any cricket related work. Ludicrous,” Gibbs said on Twitter.

The former South African batsman confirmed the developments to Al Jazeera before adding that “the message from Mr Shah [BCCI secretary] was sent to Graeme Smith [Cricket South Africa’s director of cricket] who passed it on to me”.

On Saturday, former Pakistan captain Rashid Latif also alleged that the BCCI was warning cricket boards against allowing their players to take part in the tournament.

“The [MENTION=14959]bcci[/MENTION] warning cricket boards that if there former players took part in Kashmir Premier League, they won’t be allowed entry in India or allowed to work in Indian cricket at any level or in any capacity,” Latif said.

The BCCI did not respond to Al Jazeera’s request for comment.

No Pakistan player has played in the Indian Premier League (IPL) since its inaugural season in 2008, while Indian players have not been allowed to take part in any foreign Twenty20 league, including the Pakistan Super League (PSL).

Pakistan Cricket Board has expressed its displeasure over reports that the Board of Control for Cricket in India has called multiple ICC Members and forced them to withdraw their retired cricketers from the Kashmir Premier League.

In a statement on Saturday, the PCB said “it considers that the BCCI has brought the game into disrepute by issuing warnings to multiple ICC Members to stop their retired cricketers from featuring in the Kashmir Premier League”.

“Such conduct from the BCCI is completely unacceptable, against the preamble of the Spirit of Cricket and sets a dangerous precedence, which can neither be tolerated nor ignored,” the statement added. “The PCB will raise this matter at the appropriate ICC forum and also reserves the right to take any further action that is available to us within the ICC charter.”

‘It’s all really very strange’

Taimoor Khan, director of cricket operations for KPL, told Al Jazeera that the league was aware of the threats and warnings issued to players via their agents.

“It has happened, the proof has come out and it’s all really very strange,” Khan told Al Jazeera. “There were messages sent to England’s cricketers too. We’ve been told that the players were warned they won’t be allowed to travel to India again if they take part in the KPL.”

In an earlier video message on Twitter, Khan termed the developments a sad thing for cricket all over the world”.

“We are monitoring the situation and are in talks with authorities on how to manage this. It’s a sad situation for the cricketers, especially the kids in Kashmir who were getting an opportunity to play cricket with not only the Pakistan stars but also sharing the dressing room with international players and learn from their experience.”


An email from an England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) licensed agent sent to Khan, and seen by Al Jazeera, alleged that a BCCI official called up the ECB and warned that, in addition to travel restrictions, the participating cricketers will not be “allowed to work in anything Indian cricket related”.

“The good news is that Gibbs and Tillakaratne Dilshan [former Sri Lankan cricketer] will be taking part in the league,” Khan added.

“We are extremely thankful to them. They are firm on their stance and fulfilling the commitment they made even though the pressure if enormous on them from the BCCI.”

Since gaining independence in 1947, India and Pakistan have fought two of their three wars over Kashmir. Both sides claim the region in full but administer separate parts of it.

In August 2019, India revoked a special constitutional status accorded to Indian-administered Kashmir in a move Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi said was aimed at increasing development and bringing the territory into the country’s administrative mainstream.

Pakistan opposed the move, accusing India of attempting to absorb the territory without bilateral resolution of the ongoing dispute.

It has also accused India of attempting to change the demographics of the Muslim-majority territory through a new domicile law, which was passed by Modi’s government last year.

https://www.aljazeera.com/sports/20...ng-players-against-kashmir-cricket-tournament

Is there anything left to discuss anymore?

Some Indians can continue with resorting to very immature, laughable and frankly, quite amusing excuses, but I don't think there is anything left here to argue anymore.

I will put an end to it by saying,

Salute to Gibbs.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I stand corrected, the BCCI seems to have indeed acted true to the allegations. I do not support it but to be honest, this was predictable. People often say sports and politics should not be mixed but it always does get mixed all over the world. The KPL itself seems to be something of a political statement with the coincidentally named tagline "Khelo aazadi se" and the official anthem also coincidentally named the "Aazadi anthem". Having a separate team for the "overseas" Kashmiris and the organisers and players like Afridi making political comments in its opening ceremony was always going to irk the BCCI. The organisers were also clever in roping in some foreign players (even if retired) to improve the publicity of the league, which is generally unusual for a state or a provincial T20 league. It's not hard to read between the lines what the organisers are trying to get at here. Of course, it is to promote cricket in Pakistan administered Kashmir too, but one would be lying if he said there is zero pr element connected to it. Soft power does go a long way in representing international disputes to the world and Pakistan seems to have upped its soft power and pr game greatly in recent times (it used to be terrible at this in the past) after it comprehensively emerged with better pr and reputation after the feb 27 incident (India's game in soft power and pr seems to have actually deteriorated a bit if I'm honest).

As for the BCCI's actions, this was always going to happen. It's not a question of trying to spite Pakistan as they would have banned players from playing the IPL who were participating in the PSL if they wished to do so. There are also many commentators who feature both in the PSL and the IPL. But Kashmir is a red line for the Indian state and therefore this was always going to happen. This is only new if people don't read the news. China's three red lines are the 3 Ts - Tibet, Taiwan and Tiananmen and it would take very strict action if anyone crosses these red lines. There's a reason Taiwan is called Chinese Taipei at the Olympics and they can't have their own flag or have their anthem played for gold medal winners. I mean, their state tv stopped the broadcast of the opening ceremony in China just when the Taiwanese contingent entered the stadium. And recently China blacked out the NBA broadcast after one of the owners of an NBA team tweeted in support of Hong Kong when the it was in the headlines. I don't think it has repealed the official ban yet. Many muslim athletes regularly refrain from playing against Israeli athletes in the Olympics and nearly half the world boycotted the Olympics that happened in Russia and instead had their own games in the US.

So sport and politics have been getting mixed since time immemorial, which is a shame imo. I personally don't think it should happen, I think India should play with Pakistan in cricket regularly but this was always going to happen because every state has certain red lines. I don't think China would have taken too pleasantly if India had organised a football league in Arunachal Pradesh with a team representing the Tibetans living in India. To be honest, I actually think the BCCI has inadvertently given the league more publicity that it would have garnered otherwise with a bunch of retired players.

I think that would sound more reasonable if BCCI weren't already taking a hostile stance towards Pakistan cricket, if we are talking sport only, there is no real justification for refusing to play bilateral series. Or the prolonged and mean spirited ban on Pakistan players from the IPL. Regardless of who started it ( I know some posters will hark on about PCB starting by banning Pakistan players from participating over a decade ago), but at some point you should draw a line under it.

PCB is now in a position where they don't really have anything to lose by making some cheeky innuendos. Let's face it, there's only one board which has the international clout to remove political tensions, and it isn't Pakistan.

 

[Rajdeep]

Is there anything left to discuss anymore?

Some Indians can continue with resorting to very immature, laughable and frankly, quite amusing excuses, but I don't think there is anything left here to argue anymore.

I will put an end to it by saying,

Salute to Gibbs.
.

/thread

Have you read BJPs response as well? Pls have a read as its shared above.

 

[street cricketer]

I think that would sound more reasonable if BCCI weren't already taking a hostile stance towards Pakistan cricket, if we are talking sport only, there is no real justification for refusing to play bilateral series. Or the prolonged and mean spirited ban on Pakistan players from the IPL. Regardless of who started it ( I know some posters will hark on about PCB starting by banning Pakistan players from participating over a decade ago), but at some point you should draw a line under it.

PCB is now in a position where they don't really have anything to lose by making some cheeky innuendos. Let's face it, there's only one board which has the international clout to remove political tensions, and it isn't Pakistan.

There's no doubt about the BCCI's hostile stance of not engaging with Pakistan in bilateral cricket. But this is a bit different, this seems to be a next step in adopting a hostile stance towards all players or coaches and commentators engaging with a cricket event in Pakistan that's not connected to the BCCI.

If the BCCI indeed wanted to adopt this uber aggressive stance, then it would have started with the PSL as it is Pakistan's premier league, which brings the revenues for the PCB. It would have started with banning all foreign players, coaches and commentators participating in the PSL, but it hasn't done so. In fact, the PSL is officially broadcast in India by a premium channel while the broadcast of the IPL is banned in Pakistan. My point is that Kashmir is a red line for the Indian state and that this was sort of expected, especially after a few political comments made by the organisers of the Kashmir premier league.

 

[gani999]

That's how mafia and corrupt individuals often work. Sometimes, they technically aren't forcing their victims into doing something they don't want to do, but they are basically give them two bad choices, therefore effectively forcing them into doing something.

Going to use an example here. Suppose you want to work at a company but the interviewer said they will only hire you if you gift them $100k. Technically no one is being forced to do anything, but something like this should be illegal. Same is the case with KPL. You probably know this but because of your love for BJP you are forced to defend the indefensible.

If I wanted to work for a company and they tried to arm twist me into doing something I don't want to do, I would show them the middle finger and ask them to stick the job where the sun don't shine. Then I'll walk out with my head held high and my dignity intact. Illegality be damned. There are other companies I can work for who will respect my talent without acting like they are doing me a big favour.

BCCI is doing what it is because it can. It is the richest and most powerful cricketing body in the universe. Also it is controlled by the Indian Government that has issues with any kind of international recognition being given to the part of Kashmir it considers illegally occupied by Pakistan. Any body/government/organization with clout will behave the same way. They didn't get to where they are by playing lambkin. They got their clout by kicking a** using financial muscle, and showing the world who's boss.

Hershelle Gibbs and the other jokers can stand up the BCCI, tell it what they think of it, and play in KPL or any other league they fancy. If you don't like the BCCI, don't ask for a share of their largesse. It's not the end of the world. But Gibbs and co want the best of everything and cry mummy if things go wrong.. If H.Gibbs had any character he would have rejected the BCCI and gone ahead and played the KPL, whatever the consequences, instead of resorting to silly tweets. It's not like he is a pauper and needs the BCCI to feed him. His tweet should have reflected this spirit. I may not have agreed with him, but my respect for him would have multiplied.

 

[Titan24]

Well KPL is happening in beautiful Muzaffarabad stadium whether BCCI or Indian Govt like it or not. Taking out Panesar or Mustard from a T20 league is hardly an achievement.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There's no doubt about the BCCI's hostile stance of not engaging with Pakistan in bilateral cricket. But this is a bit different, this seems to be a next step in adopting a hostile stance towards all players or coaches and commentators engaging with a cricket event in Pakistan that's not connected to the BCCI.

If the BCCI indeed wanted to adopt this uber aggressive stance, then it would have started with the PSL as it is Pakistan's premier league, which brings the revenues for the PCB. It would have started with banning all foreign players, coaches and commentators participating in the PSL, but it hasn't done so. In fact, the PSL is officially broadcast in India by a premium channel while the broadcast of the IPL is banned in Pakistan. My point is that Kashmir is a red line for the Indian state and that this was sort of expected, especially after a few political comments made by the organisers of the Kashmir premier league.

I am not going to get into a back and forth argument about which board did what and who is to blame. I am sure both sides could have done things better along the way. But ultimately it is BCCI who have the clout to move things in a more fruitful direction. It's not in PCB's interests to maintain hostile relations. But if there's no prospect of things getting better, then it doesn't really matter what they do.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If I wanted to work for a company and they tried to arm twist me into doing something I don't want to do, I would show them the middle finger and ask them to stick the job where the sun don't shine. Then I'll walk out with my head held high and my dignity intact. Illegality be damned. There are other companies I can work for who will respect my talent without acting like they are doing me a big favour.

BCCI is doing what it is because it can. It is the richest and most powerful cricketing body in the universe. Also it is controlled by the Indian Government that has issues with any kind of international recognition being given to the part of Kashmir it considers illegally occupied by Pakistan. Any body/government/organization with clout will behave the same way. They didn't get to where they are by playing lambkin. They got their clout by kicking a** using financial muscle, and showing the world who's boss.

Hershelle Gibbs and the other jokers can stand up the BCCI, tell it what they think of it, and play in KPL or any other league they fancy. If you don't like the BCCI, don't ask for a share of their largesse. It's not the end of the world. But Gibbs and co want the best of everything and cry mummy if things go wrong.. If H.Gibbs had any character he would have rejected the BCCI and gone ahead and played the KPL, whatever the consequences, instead of resorting to silly tweets. It's not like he is a pauper and needs the BCCI to feed him. His tweet should have reflected this spirit. I may not have agreed with him, but my respect for him would have multiplied.

I think this post sums up all that is wrong with the BCCI. It is basically a master slave relationship where it's "we have all the money, so do what we say or get lost".

 

[street cricketer]

I am not going to get into a back and forth argument about which board did what and who is to blame. I am sure both sides could have done things better along the way. But ultimately it is BCCI who have the clout to move things in a more fruitful direction. It's not in PCB's interests to maintain hostile relations. But if there's no prospect of things getting better, then it doesn't really matter what they do.

I agree with you that it is the BCCI that has to take the initiative in mending the relations with Pakistan cricket. Hard to see it happening with Jay Shah in the helm of affairs though.

 

[Liverpool_Faizan]

History is not going to look favorably at India. This is the part I never understood of why Governments don't consider. You're basically wrecking your future image.

 

[gani999]

I think this post sums up all that is wrong with the BCCI. It is basically a master slave relationship where it's "we have all the money, so do what we say or get lost".

It's what's wrong with everyone in this world who has money and clout. BCCI aren't saints.

And it's always possible for people to 'get lost', instead of 'doing what we say'.

 

[Saj]

We appreciate this is an emotive subject, but keep the discussions civil and on-track.

 

[Bewal Express]

What amazes is the BCCI had actually heard about KPL. Its hardly known by us guys that are obsessed with cricket and for BCCI to go to such lengths shows a real fascist tendency.

 

[Napa]

My suspicion lies on your post itself. As you said, if BCCI wanted to hurt Pakistan they would stop players from participating in PSL. Its a better league which can give competition to IPL in future. What threat does KPL and retired players like Gibbs/Panesar etc pose to BCCI?

KPL, since the time it was announced was always used as political tool like anything related to Kashmir. The fact that within minutes of Gibbs tweet most Pak ministers re tweeting it calling action against facist Modi and Kashmir atrocity makes me suspicious if Gibbs was asked to tweet this to rake up the political angle.

But if Gibbs is indeed speaking the truth, then pathetic stuff from BCCI no doubt.

The official position of the Indian government is that POK is a part of India. That makes KPL and PSL rather different from the Indian government's point of view. KPL with international players may give legitimacy in the eyes of some to POK not being part of India. Of course, in reality all these little political games have no real impact.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It's what's wrong with everyone in this world who has money and clout. BCCI aren't saints.

And it's always possible for people to 'get lost', instead of 'doing what we say'.

Yes, but from our POV it's also possible for us to tell those who support BCCI stance to get lost. No skin off our nose is it?

 

[ahsan17]

If I wanted to work for a company and they tried to arm twist me into doing something I don't want to do, I would show them the middle finger and ask them to stick the job where the sun don't shine. Then I'll walk out with my head held high and my dignity intact. Illegality be damned. There are other companies I can work for who will respect my talent without acting like they are doing me a big favour.

BCCI is doing what it is because it can. It is the richest and most powerful cricketing body in the universe. Also it is controlled by the Indian Government that has issues with any kind of international recognition being given to the part of Kashmir it considers illegally occupied by Pakistan. Any body/government/organization with clout will behave the same way. They didn't get to where they are by playing lambkin. They got their clout by kicking a** using financial muscle, and showing the world who's boss.

Hershelle Gibbs and the other jokers can stand up the BCCI, tell it what they think of it, and play in KPL or any other league they fancy. If you don't like the BCCI, don't ask for a share of their largesse. It's not the end of the world. But Gibbs and co want the best of everything and cry mummy if things go wrong.. If H.Gibbs had any character he would have rejected the BCCI and gone ahead and played the KPL, whatever the consequences, instead of resorting to silly tweets. It's not like he is a pauper and needs the BCCI to feed him. His tweet should have reflected this spirit. I may not have agreed with him, but my respect for him would have multiplied.

No matter how you try to justify it, it's mafia-like and corrupt behaviour. In the example I gave, this behaviour would be illegal.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

One other thing to bear in mind, while India does indeed carry much clout financially in the cricket world and is enjoying throwing it's weight around, cricket is a relatively minor sport worldwide, so this is in reality being a big fish in a small pond. West Indies used to be the hotbed of cricket a couple of decades ago, now their younger generations want to be footballers or basketball players.

In cricket you only have so many friends to call on, once you start trying to throw your weight around, that circle starts shrinking. Why did the Big 3 idea come crashing down? Imagine a football world cup with only 3 teams?