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Inspiration for this thread - http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...at-is-or-has-been-India-s-legacy-to-the-world

No, this is not some troll response thread (since some people could get defensive) but a genuine question. Pakistan has had an unfair playing field in a sense because we see more negative media coverage about Pakistan. I'm sure there are also many good accomplishments during modern times (1947+). I'm trying to bring to light Pakistan's positive accomplishments in an objective manner. I personally see no point in only taking pride from ancient/medieval accomplishments when the modern history and the here+now matter a lot more and is a better/accurate metric for a society's caliber.


When we talk about my country: United States, it would be a very easy topic, but I'm struggling a little when it comes to Pakistan. Building up of defense and armaments against strategic enemies is the best example that I can come up with. It could be a great starting point for what Pakistan has achieved in the past 70+ years. Anyone has any better suggestions?
 
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you cannot contribute to the modern world unless you have a rare combination of world class academia and functioning entrepreneurialism.

Pakistan has never had either, so its difficult to talk abt contributions in the grand sense.
 
Post-independence

History of Pakistan

Agriculture
In 2013, a Pakistani firm invented a new formula to make fertilizers that cannot be converted into bomb-making materials. The firm, Fatima Fertilizer, had succeeded in making non-lethal alternatives to ammonium nitrate, a key ingredient in the fertilizers it makes. Fertilizers with ammonium nitrate, however, can easily be converted into bomb-making ingredients. This invention was praised by the Pentagon. “Such a long-term solution would be a true scientific breakthrough,” US Army Lieutenant General Michael Barbero, the head of the Pentagon's Joint Improvised Explosive Device Defeat Organization, said in a statement. After this invention, CNN reported that the United States and Pakistan reached an agreement to jointly make fertilizers with non-explosive materials. But diplomatic sources told Dawn that an agreement could only be reached after the new material is tested. The sources said that US experts would soon visit Pakistan for testing the new material with experts from the Fatima Group, Pakistan's major fertilizer manufacturer.[23]

Biology

Dr. Naweed Syed, a specialist in the field of biomedical engineering and member of the medicine faculty at the University of Calgary, became the first scientist who managed to "connect brain cells to a silicon chip". The discovery is a major step in the research of integrating computers with human brains to help people control artificial limbs, monitor people's vital signs, correct memory loss or impaired vision.[24]
Dr Samir Iqbal, an associate professor in the Electrical Engineering Department at the University of Texas at Arlington, developed a novel cancer cell detection method that improves early diagnosis through a tool that tracks cellular behavior in real time using nanotextured walls that mimic layers of body tissue.[25]

Chemistry
Development of the world's first workable plastic magnet at room temperature by organic chemist and polymer scientist Naveed Zaidi.[26][27][28]

Physics

Standard model of Electroweak Interaction.

Discovery of electroweak interaction by Abdus Salam, along with two Americans Sheldon Lee Glashow and Steven Weinberg. The discovery led them to receive the Nobel Prize in Physics.[29]
Abdus Salam who along with Steven Weinberg independently predicted the existence of a subatomic particle now called the Higgs boson, Named after a British physicist who theorized that it endowed other particles with mass.[30]
The development of the Standard Model of particle physics by Sheldon Glashow's discovery in 1960 of a way to combine the electromagnetic and weak interactions.[31] In 1967 Steven Weinberg[32] and Abdus Salam[33] incorporated the Higgs mechanism[34][35][36] into Glashow's electroweak theory, giving it its modern form.
Development of the SMB probe to detect heavy water leaks in nuclear power plants by Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood[37]
In 2015 Pakistani researchers developed a solar powered mobile phone network. The network according to them is useful for instances when regular services are disrupted such as earthquakes and floods.[38][39]
Abdullah Soomro invented Flashpack, a power bank that is able to charge fully in just 14 minutes[40]

Medicine


Schematic representation of an implanted Ommaya reservoir.
The Ommaya reservoir - a system for the delivery of drugs (e.g. chemotherapy) into the cerebrospinal fluid for treatment of patients with brain tumours - was developed by Ayub K. Ommaya, a Pakistani neurosurgeon.[41]
A non-invasive technology for monitoring intracranial pressure (ICP) - developed by Faisal Kashif.[42]
Two medical devices - a pleuroperitoneal shunt and a special endotracheal tube to supply oxygen during fiberoptic bronchoscopy in awake patients - were invented by Sayed Amjad Hussain, a Pakistani American doctor from Peshawar, Pakistan. His work made him an inductee into the Medical Mission Hall of Fame.[43][44]
A non-kink catheter mount was designed by a Pakistani doctor A. K. Jamil.[45][46] He also developed a simple device for teaching controlled ventilation (A device through which young doctors can be trained on artificial[47] ventilation of the lungs without Operation theater and patient)

Computing

The boot sector of an infected floppy.
A boot sector computer virus dubbed (c)Brain, one of the first computer viruses in history,[48] was created in 1986 by the Farooq Alvi Brothers in Lahore, Pakistan, reportedly to deter unauthorized copying of the software they had written.[49][50]
A Software simulation based on blast forensics designed by Pakistani computer scientist, Zeeshan-ul-Hassan Usmani, that can reduce deaths by 12 per cent and injuries by seven per cent on average just by changing the way a crowd of people stand near an expected suicide bomber.[51]

Music

The Sagar veena, a string instrument designed for use in classical music, was developed entirely in Pakistan over the last 40 years at the Sanjannagar Institute in Lahore by Raza Kazim.[52][53]

Economics

The Human Development Index was devised by Pakistani economist Mahbub ul Haq in 1990 and had the explicit purpose "to shift the focus of development economics from national income accounting to people centered policies".[54][55]

Other technology

A team headed by Professor Sohail Khan, a Pakistani researcher at Loughborough University designed a clever lavatory that transforms human waste into biological charcoal and minerals. These can then be used as fuel or a form of conditioner for soil. It also produces clean water. The invention can lead to community-led total sanitation in the developing world. The challenge was set by Microsoft founder Bill Gates who wanted to improve sanitation for the poor and combat open defacation in countries where water supply and sewage pipe infrastructure is not widely available.[56]

World's largest particle accelerator at CERN

https://tribune.com.pk/story/566601/large-hadron-collider-in-high-end-research-pakistanis-also-playing-their-part/


bro, [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]
 
The world's first computer virus that attacked MS-DOS is called Brain and was written by two brothers, Basit Farooq Alvi and Amjad Farooq Alvi, from Lahore, Punjab, Pakistan in 1986.
 
The world's first computer virus that attacked MS-DOS is called Brain and was written by two brothers, Basit Farooq Alvi and Amjad Farooq Alvi, from Lahore, Punjab, Pakistan in 1986.

Thus gave birth to the cyber security industry.
 
Most handsome men in the world
Most classiest and intelligent pilots and doctors
Classy poets such as iqbal, faiz, ghalib and jayasi
 
Adnan Sami comes to mind .. he is one of Pakistan's great exports to the world. He makes great foot-tapping music and has honest opinions, don't know why Pakistanis hate him so much.
 
Pakistan produced the GOAT squash player - Jahangir Khan.

To be fair, one of the finest athletes the world has ever seen (across all sports) considering his record.
 
Pakistani music, art and fashion is slowly gaining international audience.

Best mangoes in the world.

Pink Himalayan Salt
 
Post-independence

History of Pakistan

Agriculture
In 2013, a Pakistani firm invented a new formula to make fertilizers that cannot be converted into bomb-making materials. The firm, Fatima Fertilizer, had succeeded in making non-lethal alternatives to ammonium nitrate, a key ingredient in the fertilizers it makes. Fertilizers with ammonium nitrate, however, can easily be converted into bomb-making ingredients. This invention was praised by the Pentagon. “Such a long-term solution would be a true scientific breakthrough,” US Army Lieutenant General Michael Barbero, the head of the Pentagon's Joint Improvised Explosive Device Defeat Organization, said in a statement. After this invention, CNN reported that the United States and Pakistan reached an agreement to jointly make fertilizers with non-explosive materials. But diplomatic sources told Dawn that an agreement could only be reached after the new material is tested. The sources said that US experts would soon visit Pakistan for testing the new material with experts from the Fatima Group, Pakistan's major fertilizer manufacturer.[23]

Biology

Dr. Naweed Syed, a specialist in the field of biomedical engineering and member of the medicine faculty at the University of Calgary, became the first scientist who managed to "connect brain cells to a silicon chip". The discovery is a major step in the research of integrating computers with human brains to help people control artificial limbs, monitor people's vital signs, correct memory loss or impaired vision.[24]
Dr Samir Iqbal, an associate professor in the Electrical Engineering Department at the University of Texas at Arlington, developed a novel cancer cell detection method that improves early diagnosis through a tool that tracks cellular behavior in real time using nanotextured walls that mimic layers of body tissue.[25]

Chemistry
Development of the world's first workable plastic magnet at room temperature by organic chemist and polymer scientist Naveed Zaidi.[26][27][28]

Physics

Standard model of Electroweak Interaction.

Discovery of electroweak interaction by Abdus Salam, along with two Americans Sheldon Lee Glashow and Steven Weinberg. The discovery led them to receive the Nobel Prize in Physics.[29]
Abdus Salam who along with Steven Weinberg independently predicted the existence of a subatomic particle now called the Higgs boson, Named after a British physicist who theorized that it endowed other particles with mass.[30]
The development of the Standard Model of particle physics by Sheldon Glashow's discovery in 1960 of a way to combine the electromagnetic and weak interactions.[31] In 1967 Steven Weinberg[32] and Abdus Salam[33] incorporated the Higgs mechanism[34][35][36] into Glashow's electroweak theory, giving it its modern form.
Development of the SMB probe to detect heavy water leaks in nuclear power plants by Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood[37]
In 2015 Pakistani researchers developed a solar powered mobile phone network. The network according to them is useful for instances when regular services are disrupted such as earthquakes and floods.[38][39]
Abdullah Soomro invented Flashpack, a power bank that is able to charge fully in just 14 minutes[40]

Medicine


Schematic representation of an implanted Ommaya reservoir.
The Ommaya reservoir - a system for the delivery of drugs (e.g. chemotherapy) into the cerebrospinal fluid for treatment of patients with brain tumours - was developed by Ayub K. Ommaya, a Pakistani neurosurgeon.[41]
A non-invasive technology for monitoring intracranial pressure (ICP) - developed by Faisal Kashif.[42]
Two medical devices - a pleuroperitoneal shunt and a special endotracheal tube to supply oxygen during fiberoptic bronchoscopy in awake patients - were invented by Sayed Amjad Hussain, a Pakistani American doctor from Peshawar, Pakistan. His work made him an inductee into the Medical Mission Hall of Fame.[43][44]
A non-kink catheter mount was designed by a Pakistani doctor A. K. Jamil.[45][46] He also developed a simple device for teaching controlled ventilation (A device through which young doctors can be trained on artificial[47] ventilation of the lungs without Operation theater and patient)

Computing

The boot sector of an infected floppy.
A boot sector computer virus dubbed (c)Brain, one of the first computer viruses in history,[48] was created in 1986 by the Farooq Alvi Brothers in Lahore, Pakistan, reportedly to deter unauthorized copying of the software they had written.[49][50]
A Software simulation based on blast forensics designed by Pakistani computer scientist, Zeeshan-ul-Hassan Usmani, that can reduce deaths by 12 per cent and injuries by seven per cent on average just by changing the way a crowd of people stand near an expected suicide bomber.[51]

Music

The Sagar veena, a string instrument designed for use in classical music, was developed entirely in Pakistan over the last 40 years at the Sanjannagar Institute in Lahore by Raza Kazim.[52][53]

Economics

The Human Development Index was devised by Pakistani economist Mahbub ul Haq in 1990 and had the explicit purpose "to shift the focus of development economics from national income accounting to people centered policies".[54][55]

Other technology

A team headed by Professor Sohail Khan, a Pakistani researcher at Loughborough University designed a clever lavatory that transforms human waste into biological charcoal and minerals. These can then be used as fuel or a form of conditioner for soil. It also produces clean water. The invention can lead to community-led total sanitation in the developing world. The challenge was set by Microsoft founder Bill Gates who wanted to improve sanitation for the poor and combat open defacation in countries where water supply and sewage pipe infrastructure is not widely available.[56]

World's largest particle accelerator at CERN

https://tribune.com.pk/story/566601/large-hadron-collider-in-high-end-research-pakistanis-also-playing-their-part/


bro, [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

This is interesting, thanks for sharing.

I hope to see Pakistan transition towards a more knowledge based economy in the future. A lot of potential in a nation of 200 million+ to achieve great things in science and technology if the right mindset is adopted.
 
They make footballs for the FIFA World Cup.
 
This would be a very short thread, and I see that some people are clutching at straws with the “accomplishments” already.
 
They make footballs for the FIFA World Cup.

This would be a very short thread, and I see that some people are clutching at straws with the “accomplishments” already.

As one of the British Pakistani poster mentioned in the other thread, contributions are based on perception of the western world. Using his criteria, Pakistan's contributions to the world are not something to be proud of.
 
I would say that Pakistan's greatest legacy is to have given India a buffer zone and deflecting enmity from traditional foes from the west. Previously Afghanistan used to consider India as a traditional enemy, with the advent of Pakistan, their ire has instead turned to the creation of Pakistan.

This has allowed India to develop reasonably friendly ties with Afghanistan and Iran while deflecting all charges of Islamic terrorism towards Pakistan which suits all parties. Apart from Pakistan.

It has also given the Hindutva movement a lot more clout at home as partition siphoned off more than 50% of the Muslim vote bank in India to Pakistan and what is now Bangladesh.

If anyone doubts that Indians are glad for the creation of Pakistan, let' see even one Indian PP member come on here and make his case for a return to a unified India. I doubt you will get even one, so the legacy is underlined in bold right here.
 
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Pakistan has lot's of contribution in today's world. I am afraid that 99% are not positive ones.
 
This would be a very short thread, and I see that some people are clutching at straws with the “accomplishments” already.

Asides from the impressive list above, I think we should add people like you to the list of Pakistani accomplishments. You are a living example of a fine Pakistan mind. A Doctor, Painter, Novelist, and EPL/Political critic, all at the tender age of 23. Your guile and unconditional love for everything Pakistan keeps you working - for free - as a doctor helping the poor and needy. So much so you voted for PTI and will soon be entering politics for the betterment of Pakistan. Good on you.

This thread may be short, but your list of accomplishments as a Pakistani is a testament to Pakistan, and what Pakistan can achieve if all Pakistanis were like you.

:)
 
Adnan Sami comes to mind .. he is one of Pakistan's great exports to the world. He makes great foot-tapping music and has honest opinions, don't know why Pakistanis hate him so much.

Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan came to my mind.

I think Pakistanis dislike him as he applied for Indian citizenship perhaps
 
We need to also add preservation of the Mughal dynasty, such as architecture and monuments which have either been left to ruin in places like Dehli through neglect, or could come under threat of demolition in future years. Of course that period also produced the outstanding food which has become popular all around the world now. Most of the 'Indian' food which became popular in the west originated from Pakistan regions in the past half century, and this has opened up the palate for south asian food from other regions.

Many Bollywood hunks also orginated from Pakistan regions, the Khan dynasties in particular have a proud history in Indian cinema.
 
Post-independence

History of Pakistan

Agriculture
In 2013, a Pakistani firm invented a new formula to make fertilizers that cannot be converted into bomb-making materials. The firm, Fatima Fertilizer, had succeeded in making non-lethal alternatives to ammonium nitrate, a key ingredient in the fertilizers it makes. Fertilizers with ammonium nitrate, however, can easily be converted into bomb-making ingredients. This invention was praised by the Pentagon. “Such a long-term solution would be a true scientific breakthrough,” US Army Lieutenant General Michael Barbero, the head of the Pentagon's Joint Improvised Explosive Device Defeat Organization, said in a statement. After this invention, CNN reported that the United States and Pakistan reached an agreement to jointly make fertilizers with non-explosive materials. But diplomatic sources told Dawn that an agreement could only be reached after the new material is tested. The sources said that US experts would soon visit Pakistan for testing the new material with experts from the Fatima Group, Pakistan's major fertilizer manufacturer.[23]

Biology

Dr. Naweed Syed, a specialist in the field of biomedical engineering and member of the medicine faculty at the University of Calgary, became the first scientist who managed to "connect brain cells to a silicon chip". The discovery is a major step in the research of integrating computers with human brains to help people control artificial limbs, monitor people's vital signs, correct memory loss or impaired vision.[24]
Dr Samir Iqbal, an associate professor in the Electrical Engineering Department at the University of Texas at Arlington, developed a novel cancer cell detection method that improves early diagnosis through a tool that tracks cellular behavior in real time using nanotextured walls that mimic layers of body tissue.[25]

Chemistry
Development of the world's first workable plastic magnet at room temperature by organic chemist and polymer scientist Naveed Zaidi.[26][27][28]

Physics

Standard model of Electroweak Interaction.

Discovery of electroweak interaction by Abdus Salam, along with two Americans Sheldon Lee Glashow and Steven Weinberg. The discovery led them to receive the Nobel Prize in Physics.[29]
Abdus Salam who along with Steven Weinberg independently predicted the existence of a subatomic particle now called the Higgs boson, Named after a British physicist who theorized that it endowed other particles with mass.[30]
The development of the Standard Model of particle physics by Sheldon Glashow's discovery in 1960 of a way to combine the electromagnetic and weak interactions.[31] In 1967 Steven Weinberg[32] and Abdus Salam[33] incorporated the Higgs mechanism[34][35][36] into Glashow's electroweak theory, giving it its modern form.
Development of the SMB probe to detect heavy water leaks in nuclear power plants by Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood[37]
In 2015 Pakistani researchers developed a solar powered mobile phone network. The network according to them is useful for instances when regular services are disrupted such as earthquakes and floods.[38][39]
Abdullah Soomro invented Flashpack, a power bank that is able to charge fully in just 14 minutes[40]

Medicine


Schematic representation of an implanted Ommaya reservoir.
The Ommaya reservoir - a system for the delivery of drugs (e.g. chemotherapy) into the cerebrospinal fluid for treatment of patients with brain tumours - was developed by Ayub K. Ommaya, a Pakistani neurosurgeon.[41]
A non-invasive technology for monitoring intracranial pressure (ICP) - developed by Faisal Kashif.[42]
Two medical devices - a pleuroperitoneal shunt and a special endotracheal tube to supply oxygen during fiberoptic bronchoscopy in awake patients - were invented by Sayed Amjad Hussain, a Pakistani American doctor from Peshawar, Pakistan. His work made him an inductee into the Medical Mission Hall of Fame.[43][44]
A non-kink catheter mount was designed by a Pakistani doctor A. K. Jamil.[45][46] He also developed a simple device for teaching controlled ventilation (A device through which young doctors can be trained on artificial[47] ventilation of the lungs without Operation theater and patient)

Computing

The boot sector of an infected floppy.
A boot sector computer virus dubbed (c)Brain, one of the first computer viruses in history,[48] was created in 1986 by the Farooq Alvi Brothers in Lahore, Pakistan, reportedly to deter unauthorized copying of the software they had written.[49][50]
A Software simulation based on blast forensics designed by Pakistani computer scientist, Zeeshan-ul-Hassan Usmani, that can reduce deaths by 12 per cent and injuries by seven per cent on average just by changing the way a crowd of people stand near an expected suicide bomber.[51]

Music

The Sagar veena, a string instrument designed for use in classical music, was developed entirely in Pakistan over the last 40 years at the Sanjannagar Institute in Lahore by Raza Kazim.[52][53]

Economics

The Human Development Index was devised by Pakistani economist Mahbub ul Haq in 1990 and had the explicit purpose "to shift the focus of development economics from national income accounting to people centered policies".[54][55]

Other technology

A team headed by Professor Sohail Khan, a Pakistani researcher at Loughborough University designed a clever lavatory that transforms human waste into biological charcoal and minerals. These can then be used as fuel or a form of conditioner for soil. It also produces clean water. The invention can lead to community-led total sanitation in the developing world. The challenge was set by Microsoft founder Bill Gates who wanted to improve sanitation for the poor and combat open defacation in countries where water supply and sewage pipe infrastructure is not widely available.[56]

World's largest particle accelerator at CERN

https://tribune.com.pk/story/566601/large-hadron-collider-in-high-end-research-pakistanis-also-playing-their-part/


bro, [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

I think you are confusing the question. you are listing out individual patents and accomplishments. I think the premise of the question was what is Pakistan's legacy. I mean the moment you say Pakistan what is it that you think of?

I mean no one is going to remotely say Pak invented the sagar veena though technically veena and sagar are both Hindi/Sanskrit terms and veena is associated with Hindu deities. But good to know this contribution to arts from Pakistan.

I guess the question was legacy. what does the western world think of Pakistan's legacy? I mean for example a bloke above thought of beautiful men.

What would @cpt.Rishwat say to his fellow westerner when discussing Pakistan's legacy. Surely the first thing he is going to blurt out is not going to be Sagar Veena or infected floppy drive. That's the angle we need to approach this question with
 
I think you are confusing the question. you are listing out individual patents and accomplishments. I think the premise of the question was what is Pakistan's legacy. I mean the moment you say Pakistan what is it that you think of?

I mean no one is going to remotely say Pak invented the sagar veena though technically veena and sagar are both Hindi/Sanskrit terms and veena is associated with Hindu deities. But good to know this contribution to arts from Pakistan.

I guess the question was legacy. what does the western world think of Pakistan's legacy? I mean for example a bloke above thought of beautiful men.

What would @cpt.Rishwat say to his fellow westerner when discussing Pakistan's legacy. Surely the first thing he is going to blurt out is not going to be Sagar Veena or infected floppy drive. That's the angle we need to approach this question with

I have already contributed three posts with various contributions from Pakistan. Pakistan is a relatively young country, but there is plenty of material in those posts for everyone to consider.
 
I have already contributed three posts with various contributions from Pakistan. Pakistan is a relatively young country, but there is plenty of material in those posts for everyone to consider.

Bollywood hunks & beautiful men- well that's weird to count as legacy but anyways it's not like India has sponsored their Visa to save the industry right? They probably belonged to pre-partitioned India and their ancestors hail from regions which are part of current day Pakistan. That's about it

Food and Palate- Well I mean the Biryanis and Kebabs are marketed more as Indian food. I guess that may not be accurate but unfortunately in the US, I see Indian restaurants advertised as Indian restaurants and Pakistani owned restaurants advertised as Indian & Pakistani cuisine. Never see much of a difference may be a couple of beef stews thrown in here and there in the menu. that's about it.

You are listing out contributions from Indian subcontinent or pre-independence/partition India. what is Pakistan's legacy since 1947? that's the question
 
I think you are confusing the question. you are listing out individual patents and accomplishments. I think the premise of the question was what is Pakistan's legacy. I mean the moment you say Pakistan what is it that you think of?

Question : What are or have been Pakistan's accomplishments/contributions to the modern world?
Ans : Post #3.

thre wasnt a question of legacy, the question was about contribution to the modern world. so thre was no confusion Dr.Spin.
 
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Bollywood hunks & beautiful men- well that's weird to count as legacy but anyways it's not like India has sponsored their Visa to save the industry right? They probably belonged to pre-partitioned India and their ancestors hail from regions which are part of current day Pakistan. That's about it

Food and Palate- Well I mean the Biryanis and Kebabs are marketed more as Indian food. I guess that may not be accurate but unfortunately in the US, I see Indian restaurants advertised as Indian restaurants and Pakistani owned restaurants advertised as Indian & Pakistani cuisine. Never see much of a difference may be a couple of beef stews thrown in here and there in the menu. that's about it.

You are listing out contributions from Indian subcontinent or pre-independence/partition India. what is Pakistan's legacy since 1947? that's the question

As I predicted, I see you may have 'overlooked' my first and most detailed outline of Pakistan's contribution and legacy in post #17.
 
As I predicted, I see you may have 'overlooked' my first and most detailed outline of Pakistan's contribution and legacy in post #17.

Your argument about Pakistan's legacy was some rambling about "Hindutva" "India" etc. How does that even make sense? Are you telling me that Pakistan's only legacy is in terms of what is happening in India or other subcontinental politics. I hope that is not true.

Cmon I am sure in the western circle among your peers there are more compelling arguments.

If I am missing something feel free to point me in the right direction.
 
Your argument about Pakistan's legacy was some rambling about "Hindutva" "India" etc. How does that even make sense? Are you telling me that Pakistan's only legacy is in terms of what is happening in India or other subcontinental politics. I hope that is not true.

Cmon I am sure in the western circle among your peers there are more compelling arguments.

If I am missing something feel free to point me in the right direction.

I am saying Pakistan's contribution for the Hindu population of India was to give them far greater clout in the country and halve the vote bank of Muslims in India. You could easily say that wasn't a good thing for Hindus, and you would love to have India reunited, but conspicuously you aren't doing that...as I predicted.

So there is one massive positive legacy for Hindus in India, or at least the hardline Hindutvas. I am sure there are also some who regret partition, but they are in the minority.
 
I am saying Pakistan's contribution for the Hindu population of India was to give them far greater clout in the country and halve the vote bank of Muslims in India. You could easily say that wasn't a good thing for Hindus, and you would love to have India reunited, but conspicuously you aren't doing that...as I predicted.

So there is one massive positive legacy for Hindus in India, or at least the hardline Hindutvas. I am sure there are also some who regret partition, but they are in the minority.

Again how does any of this have to do with Pakistan's legacy :)) ok if I am understanding you correctly while India is claiming it's legacy as giving the world with philosophies/religions such as Buddhism,Jainism,Sikhism Pakistan's claim to fame is making Hindus or in your words Hindutva a major political force. Great, That is legacy in the context of what a humble desi like me can grasp, but I was looking forward to seeing a more western or British intellectual view point :(
 
Again how does any of this have to do with Pakistan's legacy :)) ok if I am understanding you correctly while India is claiming it's legacy as giving the world with philosophies/religions such as Buddhism,Jainism,Sikhism Pakistan's claim to fame is making Hindus or in your words Hindutva a major political force. Great, That is legacy in the context of what a humble desi like me can grasp, but I was looking forward to seeing a more western or British intellectual view point :(

You can get that as well, but the thread is still young. As far as I am concerned I have shown impact which has had far deeper legacy on the world than others mentioned in replies so far. But you seem unhappy with it for some reason, even though you love the outcome it has had for Hindutva power in India. If it is a good thing, why knock it?

We can get to the western perspective once we get some acknowledgement of what I have proposed so far.
 
Bollywood hunks & beautiful men- well that's weird to count as legacy but anyways it's not like India has sponsored their Visa to save the industry right? They probably belonged to pre-partitioned India and their ancestors hail from regions which are part of current day Pakistan. That's about it

Food and Palate- Well I mean the Biryanis and Kebabs are marketed more as Indian food. I guess that may not be accurate but unfortunately in the US, I see Indian restaurants advertised as Indian restaurants and Pakistani owned restaurants advertised as Indian & Pakistani cuisine. Never see much of a difference may be a couple of beef stews thrown in here and there in the menu. that's about it.

You are listing out contributions from Indian subcontinent or pre-independence/partition India. what is Pakistan's legacy since 1947? that's the question

The only one which would concern you is the only Muslim nation to become a nuclear power.
 
Post-independence

History of Pakistan

Agriculture
In 2013, a Pakistani firm invented a new formula to make fertilizers that cannot be converted into bomb-making materials. The firm, Fatima Fertilizer, had succeeded in making non-lethal alternatives to ammonium nitrate, a key ingredient in the fertilizers it makes. Fertilizers with ammonium nitrate, however, can easily be converted into bomb-making ingredients. This invention was praised by the Pentagon. “Such a long-term solution would be a true scientific breakthrough,” US Army Lieutenant General Michael Barbero, the head of the Pentagon's Joint Improvised Explosive Device Defeat Organization, said in a statement. After this invention, CNN reported that the United States and Pakistan reached an agreement to jointly make fertilizers with non-explosive materials. But diplomatic sources told Dawn that an agreement could only be reached after the new material is tested. The sources said that US experts would soon visit Pakistan for testing the new material with experts from the Fatima Group, Pakistan's major fertilizer manufacturer.[23]

Biology

Dr. Naweed Syed, a specialist in the field of biomedical engineering and member of the medicine faculty at the University of Calgary, became the first scientist who managed to "connect brain cells to a silicon chip". The discovery is a major step in the research of integrating computers with human brains to help people control artificial limbs, monitor people's vital signs, correct memory loss or impaired vision.[24]
Dr Samir Iqbal, an associate professor in the Electrical Engineering Department at the University of Texas at Arlington, developed a novel cancer cell detection method that improves early diagnosis through a tool that tracks cellular behavior in real time using nanotextured walls that mimic layers of body tissue.[25]

Chemistry
Development of the world's first workable plastic magnet at room temperature by organic chemist and polymer scientist Naveed Zaidi.[26][27][28]

Physics

Standard model of Electroweak Interaction.

Discovery of electroweak interaction by Abdus Salam, along with two Americans Sheldon Lee Glashow and Steven Weinberg. The discovery led them to receive the Nobel Prize in Physics.[29]
Abdus Salam who along with Steven Weinberg independently predicted the existence of a subatomic particle now called the Higgs boson, Named after a British physicist who theorized that it endowed other particles with mass.[30]
The development of the Standard Model of particle physics by Sheldon Glashow's discovery in 1960 of a way to combine the electromagnetic and weak interactions.[31] In 1967 Steven Weinberg[32] and Abdus Salam[33] incorporated the Higgs mechanism[34][35][36] into Glashow's electroweak theory, giving it its modern form.
Development of the SMB probe to detect heavy water leaks in nuclear power plants by Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood[37]
In 2015 Pakistani researchers developed a solar powered mobile phone network. The network according to them is useful for instances when regular services are disrupted such as earthquakes and floods.[38][39]
Abdullah Soomro invented Flashpack, a power bank that is able to charge fully in just 14 minutes[40]

Medicine


Schematic representation of an implanted Ommaya reservoir.
The Ommaya reservoir - a system for the delivery of drugs (e.g. chemotherapy) into the cerebrospinal fluid for treatment of patients with brain tumours - was developed by Ayub K. Ommaya, a Pakistani neurosurgeon.[41]
A non-invasive technology for monitoring intracranial pressure (ICP) - developed by Faisal Kashif.[42]
Two medical devices - a pleuroperitoneal shunt and a special endotracheal tube to supply oxygen during fiberoptic bronchoscopy in awake patients - were invented by Sayed Amjad Hussain, a Pakistani American doctor from Peshawar, Pakistan. His work made him an inductee into the Medical Mission Hall of Fame.[43][44]
A non-kink catheter mount was designed by a Pakistani doctor A. K. Jamil.[45][46] He also developed a simple device for teaching controlled ventilation (A device through which young doctors can be trained on artificial[47] ventilation of the lungs without Operation theater and patient)

Computing

The boot sector of an infected floppy.
A boot sector computer virus dubbed (c)Brain, one of the first computer viruses in history,[48] was created in 1986 by the Farooq Alvi Brothers in Lahore, Pakistan, reportedly to deter unauthorized copying of the software they had written.[49][50]
A Software simulation based on blast forensics designed by Pakistani computer scientist, Zeeshan-ul-Hassan Usmani, that can reduce deaths by 12 per cent and injuries by seven per cent on average just by changing the way a crowd of people stand near an expected suicide bomber.[51]

Music

The Sagar veena, a string instrument designed for use in classical music, was developed entirely in Pakistan over the last 40 years at the Sanjannagar Institute in Lahore by Raza Kazim.[52][53]

Economics

The Human Development Index was devised by Pakistani economist Mahbub ul Haq in 1990 and had the explicit purpose "to shift the focus of development economics from national income accounting to people centered policies".[54][55]

Other technology

A team headed by Professor Sohail Khan, a Pakistani researcher at Loughborough University designed a clever lavatory that transforms human waste into biological charcoal and minerals. These can then be used as fuel or a form of conditioner for soil. It also produces clean water. The invention can lead to community-led total sanitation in the developing world. The challenge was set by Microsoft founder Bill Gates who wanted to improve sanitation for the poor and combat open defacation in countries where water supply and sewage pipe infrastructure is not widely available.[56]

World's largest particle accelerator at CERN

https://tribune.com.pk/story/566601/large-hadron-collider-in-high-end-research-pakistanis-also-playing-their-part/


bro, [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]


This is fantastic to see. Thank you for sharing!
 
The only one which would concern you is the only Muslim nation to become a nuclear power.

Why would that concern me? it would be different if Pakistan is the only country in the world with Nukes. It is not like Nuclear technology or Atom bomb was invented in Pakistan.

Good for Pakistan to produce a scientist to build that technology, how is that Pakistan's sole legacy?
 
Adnan Sami comes to mind .. he is one of Pakistan's great exports to the world. He makes great foot-tapping music and has honest opinions, don't know why Pakistanis hate him so much.
He is an ISI agent don’t you know.

In terms of music Pakistan have done much better than Adnan Sami. I’m sure you’re aware of the megastars of Pakistan music
 
He is an ISI agent don’t you know.

In terms of music Pakistan have done much better than Adnan Sami. I’m sure you’re aware of the megastars of Pakistan music

For example? I know of Nusrat Fateh Ali and his son, who else? Remember the term you used is "Megastars"
 
I think you are confusing the question. you are listing out individual patents and accomplishments. I think the premise of the question was what is Pakistan's legacy. I mean the moment you say Pakistan what is it that you think of?

I mean no one is going to remotely say Pak invented the sagar veena though technically veena and sagar are both Hindi/Sanskrit terms and veena is associated with Hindu deities. But good to know this contribution to arts from Pakistan.

I guess the question was legacy. what does the western world think of Pakistan's legacy? I mean for example a bloke above thought of beautiful men.

What would @cpt.Rishwat say to his fellow westerner when discussing Pakistan's legacy. Surely the first thing he is going to blurt out is not going to be Sagar Veena or infected floppy drive. That's the angle we need to approach this question with

This is also a fair argument - legacy and contributions of Pakistan as a national entity through it's intellectual/academic/social systems as opposed to contributions of Pakistanis as individuals. I think that being said, if there is enough cluster of Pakistanis (individuals) within a certain segment, that shows a correlation of data points resulting from a good system put in place by Pakistan (the nation).

Example 1: If you look up Nobel prize winners of India in STEM until mid-20th century you had 2 (Ramanajan and CV Raman). At that point of time, though those 2 Indians made India proud they were in no way a testament to India the nation having a robust STEM system in place at that point of time. They were lone stars in their fields that shone well.

Example 2: Successes of private businesses in India today is in no way a testament to the government/legal system. Maybe it is a testament to their intellectual capital through their academic systems. I work in private equity where we invest/buy businesses. There is a popular saying here - In OECD countries investments/businesses flourish because of the government, but in countries like India investments/businesses flourish despite the government.

No offense to the Indians reading this thread but I'm trying to give a balanced view with my examples.

PS: Cpt.Rishwat ain't no "westerner". He/She is a British Pakistani like numerous other Pakistanis (happy to stand corrected if I'm wrong). So the accurate question should be - "What would someone with zero ties to South Asia think of Pakistan?" if you want to go with people's perspectives.
 
For example? I know of Nusrat Fateh Ali and his son, who else? Remember the term you used is "Megastars"

And why does it matter if a local dada of its village does not know the rest of Pakistani music stars?

SRK happen to be one of the biggest bollywood star but not every in US or Canadian village knows who he is, i am sure majority of the people in NYC do not know who SRK is.

You are trying too hard trying to discredit anything that has to do with Pakistan. I am sure you have better use of your time.
 
This is also a fair argument - legacy and contributions of Pakistan as a national entity through it's intellectual/academic/social systems as opposed to contributions of Pakistanis as individuals. I think that being said, if there is enough cluster of Pakistanis (individuals) within a certain segment, that shows a correlation of data points resulting from a good system put in place by Pakistan (the nation).

Example 1: If you look up Nobel prize winners of India in STEM until mid-20th century you had 2 (Ramanajan and CV Raman). At that point of time, though those 2 Indians made India proud they were in no way a testament to India the nation having a robust STEM system in place at that point of time. They were lone stars in their fields that shone well.

Example 2: Successes of private businesses in India today is in no way a testament to the government/legal system. Maybe it is a testament to their intellectual capital through their academic systems. I work in private equity where we invest/buy businesses. There is a popular saying here - In OECD countries investments/businesses flourish because of the government, but in countries like India investments/businesses flourish despite the government.

No offense to the Indians reading this thread but I'm trying to give a balanced view with my examples.

PS: Cpt.Rishwat ain't no "westerner". He/She is a British Pakistani like numerous other Pakistanis (happy to stand corrected if I'm wrong). So the accurate question should be - "What would someone with zero ties to South Asia think of Pakistan?" if you want to go with people's perspectives.

True agree with this. I think it was a good post by [MENTION=140488]Lonewarrior[/MENTION] . However that post was a good indicator that people from the SC don't get credit for not being innovators. There are plenty of patents and good work done in so many non-glamorous fields of science,economics etc that we miss out on. Good to see contribution from Pakistan scientists because apart from the scientist on whom Netflix made a documentary and AQ Khan generally we are not aware of such work especially from those who were the products of the Pakistani education system.

My post was not to put down their accomplishments.
 
And why does it matter if a local dada of its village does not know the rest of Pakistani music stars?

SRK happen to be one of the biggest bollywood star but not every in US or Canadian village knows who he is, i am sure majority of the people in NYC do not know who SRK is.

You are trying too hard trying to discredit anything that has to do with Pakistan. I am sure you have better use of your time.

Sorry if you feel that way. I have been nothing but respectful.
 
For example? I know of Nusrat Fateh Ali and his son, who else? Remember the term you used is "Megastars"

I was responding in kind to someone who felt Adnan Sami was a great Pakistani export to the world.
If we consider our ISI agent as great then we have dozens of musicians who are notches above Adnan Sami. Hence megastars.

Time for you to go do some dadagiri in your own locale. Less chances of getting a bloody nose.
 
I sincerely hope there are more Pakistanis as outlined in [MENTION=140488]Lonewarrior[/MENTION]'s post #3 in this thread versus the type of Pakistanis that think their biggest accomplishment is having a nuke against an enemy nation.

You progress if you think in an absolute sense of what your nation/society has accomplished. The moment you think of your biggest accomplishment as a measure of anti-something, you have lost then and there.
 
True agree with this. I think it was a good post by [MENTION=140488]Lonewarrior[/MENTION] . However that post was a good indicator that people from the SC don't get credit for not being innovators.

The post is the following section of a Wiki article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pakistani_inventions_and_discoveries#Post-independence

One should respect copyright and adhere to "fair use" (copy only small parts), but in post #3 not only is "fair use" ignored but even the source is not acknowledged.
 
The post is the following section of a Wiki article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pakistani_inventions_and_discoveries#Post-independence

One should respect copyright and adhere to "fair use" (copy only small parts), but in post #3 not only is "fair use" ignored but even the source is not acknowledged.

Well that is fine, while WIKI may not be the most reliable post, he gets full marks for coming up with a relevant post than the other bizarre rhetoric going around.
 
PS: Cpt.Rishwat ain't no "westerner". He/She is a British Pakistani like numerous other Pakistanis (happy to stand corrected if I'm wrong). So the accurate question should be - "What would someone with zero ties to South Asia think of Pakistan?" if you want to go with people's perspectives.

You are wrong so I am correcting you. I am British through and through, although I have Pakistani ancestry. That doesn't make me any less a westerner than British jews with German ancestry, or white Brits with Danish ancestry. It is quite a racist view to take, although I don't believe you realised this.
 
I sincerely hope there are more Pakistanis as outlined in [MENTION=140488]Lonewarrior[/MENTION]'s post #3 in this thread versus the type of Pakistanis that think their biggest accomplishment is having a nuke against an enemy nation.

You progress if you think in an absolute sense of what your nation/society has accomplished. The moment you think of your biggest accomplishment as a measure of anti-something, you have lost then and there.

The *Bomb* is indeed one of Pakistan's achievement. India boast about the Hindu bomb having duped Canada into sending Uranium for Nuclear energy when all the while India lied and built the Hindu Bomb to threaten Pakistan.

As for post #3, it is YOU who has ignored the achievements and cherry picked the Bomb.
 
You are wrong so I am correcting you. I am British through and through, although I have Pakistani ancestry. That doesn't make me any less a westerner than British jews with German ancestry, or white Brits with Danish ancestry. It is quite a racist view to take, although I don't believe you realised this.

The very fact that you have to forcefully state that you're British at every turn and corner online and offline says it all.

At best, you're as British as Kevin Pietersen. Economic migrant, passport of convenience, etc.
 
The very fact that you have to forcefully state that you're British at every turn and corner online and offline says it all.

At best, you're as British as Kevin Pietersen. Economic migrant, passport of convenience, etc.

Yes I do enjoy informing our Indian members such as yourself that I am indeed British. Almost as much as I'm sure you enjoy hearing about it. :91:

But Pieterson was born South African, my birth certificate shows I was born here. There are no passports of convenience, so once again my friend, you are barking up the wrong tree!
 
I would say that Pakistan's greatest legacy is to have given India a buffer zone and deflecting enmity from traditional foes from the west. Previously Afghanistan used to consider India as a traditional enemy, with the advent of Pakistan, their ire has instead turned to the creation of Pakistan.

This has allowed India to develop reasonably friendly ties with Afghanistan and Iran while deflecting all charges of Islamic terrorism towards Pakistan which suits all parties. Apart from Pakistan.

It has also given the Hindutva movement a lot more clout at home as partition siphoned off more than 50% of the Muslim vote bank in India to Pakistan and what is now Bangladesh.

If anyone doubts that Indians are glad for the creation of Pakistan, let' see even one Indian PP member come on here and make his case for a return to a unified India. I doubt you will get even one, so the legacy is underlined in bold right here.

Not as strongly correlated to this thread but I do see some truth in the fact that you mention. If all of Pakistan were hindu dominated or part of India, then the ancient invasions/animosities with Iran and Afghanistan will probably continue to exist to this day. I do wonder about geopolitics (if Taliban would have come into existence without a friendly neighbor like Pakistan) but that probably deserves another thread and let's not digress this one.

Overall valid point!
 
Post-independence

History of Pakistan

Agriculture
In 2013, a Pakistani firm invented a new formula to make fertilizers that cannot be converted into bomb-making materials. The firm, Fatima Fertilizer, had succeeded in making non-lethal alternatives to ammonium nitrate, a key ingredient in the fertilizers it makes. Fertilizers with ammonium nitrate, however, can easily be converted into bomb-making ingredients. This invention was praised by the Pentagon. “Such a long-term solution would be a true scientific breakthrough,” US Army Lieutenant General Michael Barbero, the head of the Pentagon's Joint Improvised Explosive Device Defeat Organization, said in a statement. After this invention, CNN reported that the United States and Pakistan reached an agreement to jointly make fertilizers with non-explosive materials. But diplomatic sources told Dawn that an agreement could only be reached after the new material is tested. The sources said that US experts would soon visit Pakistan for testing the new material with experts from the Fatima Group, Pakistan's major fertilizer manufacturer.[23]

Biology

Dr. Naweed Syed, a specialist in the field of biomedical engineering and member of the medicine faculty at the University of Calgary, became the first scientist who managed to "connect brain cells to a silicon chip". The discovery is a major step in the research of integrating computers with human brains to help people control artificial limbs, monitor people's vital signs, correct memory loss or impaired vision.[24]
Dr Samir Iqbal, an associate professor in the Electrical Engineering Department at the University of Texas at Arlington, developed a novel cancer cell detection method that improves early diagnosis through a tool that tracks cellular behavior in real time using nanotextured walls that mimic layers of body tissue.[25]

Chemistry
Development of the world's first workable plastic magnet at room temperature by organic chemist and polymer scientist Naveed Zaidi.[26][27][28]

Physics

Standard model of Electroweak Interaction.

Discovery of electroweak interaction by Abdus Salam, along with two Americans Sheldon Lee Glashow and Steven Weinberg. The discovery led them to receive the Nobel Prize in Physics.[29]
Abdus Salam who along with Steven Weinberg independently predicted the existence of a subatomic particle now called the Higgs boson, Named after a British physicist who theorized that it endowed other particles with mass.[30]
The development of the Standard Model of particle physics by Sheldon Glashow's discovery in 1960 of a way to combine the electromagnetic and weak interactions.[31] In 1967 Steven Weinberg[32] and Abdus Salam[33] incorporated the Higgs mechanism[34][35][36] into Glashow's electroweak theory, giving it its modern form.
Development of the SMB probe to detect heavy water leaks in nuclear power plants by Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood[37]
In 2015 Pakistani researchers developed a solar powered mobile phone network. The network according to them is useful for instances when regular services are disrupted such as earthquakes and floods.[38][39]
Abdullah Soomro invented Flashpack, a power bank that is able to charge fully in just 14 minutes[40]

Medicine


Schematic representation of an implanted Ommaya reservoir.
The Ommaya reservoir - a system for the delivery of drugs (e.g. chemotherapy) into the cerebrospinal fluid for treatment of patients with brain tumours - was developed by Ayub K. Ommaya, a Pakistani neurosurgeon.[41]
A non-invasive technology for monitoring intracranial pressure (ICP) - developed by Faisal Kashif.[42]
Two medical devices - a pleuroperitoneal shunt and a special endotracheal tube to supply oxygen during fiberoptic bronchoscopy in awake patients - were invented by Sayed Amjad Hussain, a Pakistani American doctor from Peshawar, Pakistan. His work made him an inductee into the Medical Mission Hall of Fame.[43][44]
A non-kink catheter mount was designed by a Pakistani doctor A. K. Jamil.[45][46] He also developed a simple device for teaching controlled ventilation (A device through which young doctors can be trained on artificial[47] ventilation of the lungs without Operation theater and patient)

Computing

The boot sector of an infected floppy.
A boot sector computer virus dubbed (c)Brain, one of the first computer viruses in history,[48] was created in 1986 by the Farooq Alvi Brothers in Lahore, Pakistan, reportedly to deter unauthorized copying of the software they had written.[49][50]
A Software simulation based on blast forensics designed by Pakistani computer scientist, Zeeshan-ul-Hassan Usmani, that can reduce deaths by 12 per cent and injuries by seven per cent on average just by changing the way a crowd of people stand near an expected suicide bomber.[51]

Music

The Sagar veena, a string instrument designed for use in classical music, was developed entirely in Pakistan over the last 40 years at the Sanjannagar Institute in Lahore by Raza Kazim.[52][53]

Economics

The Human Development Index was devised by Pakistani economist Mahbub ul Haq in 1990 and had the explicit purpose "to shift the focus of development economics from national income accounting to people centered policies".[54][55]

Other technology

A team headed by Professor Sohail Khan, a Pakistani researcher at Loughborough University designed a clever lavatory that transforms human waste into biological charcoal and minerals. These can then be used as fuel or a form of conditioner for soil. It also produces clean water. The invention can lead to community-led total sanitation in the developing world. The challenge was set by Microsoft founder Bill Gates who wanted to improve sanitation for the poor and combat open defacation in countries where water supply and sewage pipe infrastructure is not widely available.[56]

World's largest particle accelerator at CERN

https://tribune.com.pk/story/566601/large-hadron-collider-in-high-end-research-pakistanis-also-playing-their-part/


bro, [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

This is great and I'm happy for the accomplishments mentioned here by your countrymen. I now have the same question as outlined in my post #38. Individual accomplishments are only a starting point and kudos to these individual achievers. What systems has Pakistan (the national entity) built/accomplished over the past 70+ years on top of the initial achievements of these Pakistanis (the individuals)? This would be the next level up in the intellectual progress of a country right? Putting systems in place to replicate one-off successes?

This is why I outlined the military/defense point in my post. The military system (from nurturing talent, retaining/motivating human talent, procuring tech, processes ...) that seems to have developed over decades seems mature. What other systems have been built by Pakistan to leverage the individual accomplishments mentioned here?

To clarify - think of academic systems, knowledge hubs, entrepreneurial systems, medical hubs, logistic systems ... all of these at a macro level. Most nations with as many individual innovations as you have listed here have gone on to build systems that can replicate those in future. Has Pakistan done anything like that so far?
 
for more details. read the whole thread ...

Picture Album of Pakistan


http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?177273-Picture-Album-of-Pakistan

Science and Technology in Pakistan

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?177273-Picture-Album-of-Pakistan&p=5754771#post5754771


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for more details. read the whole thread ...

Picture Album of Pakistan


http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?177273-Picture-Album-of-Pakistan

Science and Technology in Pakistan

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?177273-Picture-Album-of-Pakistan&p=5754771#post5754771


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Thanks for the mention bro, i didn't even know about these. Great.
 
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