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How can they ensure that they are seen as distinct with no relations to ISIS type groups? In that the general what can be done that that European or North American population (the world in general) sees them as something a totally separate entity from the larger Muslim populations.

Basically how can the narrative that ISIS=/Muslims, be made mainstream?
 
The only thing one can do is if any Muslim goes to a mosque or anywhere he hears about someone sympathising with Isis then to educate them if they are supporting the ideology then report them to concerned authorities..
 
The only thing one can do is if any Muslim goes to a mosque or anywhere he hears about someone sympathising with Isis then to educate them if they are supporting the ideology then report them to concerned authorities..

honestly in my 6 or so years in states i never heard any imam or speaker in favor of such ideology. (used to go to friday prayer atleast half the time)

sure some of them were loonies but def harmless

so i doubt this 'reporting' line thrown out by lazy journalists and politicians is relevant or effective. I highly doubt anyone planning such acts is publicly bragging about it even among his 'own' people. At most you would see some criticizing foreign policy of US/UK etc but thats about it and nothing you can take an action on
 
1) Stop promoting segregation on religious grounds among Children. No faith based schools.

2) No Niqabs, Hijabs, Skullcaps, Religious beards that give a distinct religious identity.

3) Stop sending 5 Years Old to Madrassas for Qoumi Taleem.

4) More integration with the majority community and less Ghettoization . There should be no preference to live in " Muslim Areas ". No Shariah Police or Islamic Patrole gangs.
 
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honestly in my 6 or so years in states i never heard any imam or speaker in favor of such ideology. (used to go to friday prayer atleast half the time)

sure some of them were loonies but def harmless

so i doubt this 'reporting' line thrown out by lazy journalists and politicians is relevant or effective. I highly doubt anyone planning such acts is publicly bragging about it even among his 'own' people. At most you would see some criticizing foreign policy of US/UK etc but thats about it and nothing you can take an action on

Ahh ok well I haven't lived abroad for a long time so I wouldn't know much I was just saying what I saw in homeland where in almost all terrorist attacks being planned some guy knew who didn't come forward so in that ways if anyone hears anything even if it's harmless better to report to authorities.. prevention is better than cure..
 
We need more Muslims leading high-profile public initiatives to drive out extremist ideology. Religious or community leaders should go out into the schools and universities to speak to youngsters.

Its time we call for an end to foreign funding of mosques and ban segregation on basis of gender in faith schools.

Parents also need to do more to dissuade their children from having their minds perverted by this kind of extremist filth,and encourage integration instead of social isolation. We need greater monitoring of social media and cooperation with authorities.
 
Lose the ostensible Muslim identity, whether that's beards, niqabs and other surface paraphernalia that marks you out from a distance. Live your life with decent values and instill them in your kids. Those are what I would call personal responsibilities, the wider one for Muslim leadership can be dealt with by the British authorities.
 
An eye for an eye will end up making the whole world blind.
There is a concerted attempt to drive a wedge between Islam and the west.

There are genuine grievances that lead to Muslim radicalisation, which then feeds onto Islamophobia which is just another name for radicalisation of whites against Muslims and the cycle continues.

I have been very impressed with the way both celebrities and common people in America have made time to march and protest against Trump. IMO Muslims need to take ownership of this problem, recognize and help the vulnerable in their community and publicly march and denounce this so that the headlines are not about ISIS loons cheering this.
 
Learn to disassociate VALID CRITICISM of ISLAMIC IDEOLOGY/PRACTICES and POLITICAL VIEWS of ISLAM from the umbrella of ISLAMOPHOBIA.

I'm not denying ISLAMOPHOBIA exists, but each time a valid criticism of something - be it Misogyny, female Genital mutilation, violence to towards women/kafirs in the holy books etc is mentioned it's all branded as islamophobic by many and the discussion is not allowed to continue. Many of these radical elements use this as a safety net or cover to further their more radical ideas (read caliphate, jihad etc).

Moderate / liberal / non violent muslims need to ensure their support for the religion & faithful is in no way empowering fringe radical elements.

You may not yourself go out and shoot kafirs/homosexuals, but every time you praise someone dying/getting attacked for being a kaffir/homosexual , or not protest others who openly support violence towards them , you are infact emboldening these elements to further their radical agenda.
 
You may not yourself go out and shoot kafirs/homosexuals, but every time you praise someone dying/getting attacked for being a kaffir/homosexual , or not protest others who openly support violence towards them , you are infact emboldening these elements to further their radical agenda.
No one praises someone being attacked
 
Tbh anything even if done now will take 20-25 years to take an effect,so its better just to carry on as it is and education will create a difference on its own.
 
No one praises someone being attacked

Wrong brother, I can show you screenshots of countless Indian muslims and trolls praising the Charlie Hebdo attacks. And our country is supposed to be less affected by ISIS ! Even elected representatives holding positions of power made statements of the like of "They got what they deserved ".

There were people who held protest marches in many of our towns when Bin Laden was assassinated, they were held by mainstream political parties , not some radical fringe prayer groups ! And that too for Bin Laden . ?? I mean Saddam was a grey character, who was unfairly targeted by the west , so naturally many people would sympathize with him, but this guy ?

The problem with the above behavior is that, once you legitimize violent actions by non-authorized citizens in the name of defending your religion , instead of taking lawful resolutions, what stops another group of people using your same reasoning to justify violent behavior of what they PERCEIVE as injustice to them ??
 
We do not need extremist solutions for extremist problems that's for sure, intolerance towards majority of Muslims who do not share the beliefs of the nut jobs risks distancing them away from British society and allowing them to be used as tools for radicalisation by extremist groups. However, community leaders should do a bit more to emphasise the core principles of the Islamic faith whilst pointing out the fallacies of Wahabism and Extreme Salafism (these people do exist but we need more) and the real biggy which Markhor pointed out is foreign funding of mosque's in the UK.

Besides that, if there's a dodgy molvi which anyone suspects is chatting crap during a speech in a mosque then they should report him. And off course parents are also important in ensuring they don't send their kids to any of the dodgy madrasas, especially to the guys who always say things like "Mawlid is a innovation/shirkh"

These are realistic solutions and no one should make the normal folk complicit in the attacks whilst advocating the need to create a Justice league to defeat ISIS. We also need a Labour Goverment which will put an end to foreign policy and trade with extremist countries like saudi arabia.
 
We do not need extremist solutions for extremist problems that's for sure, intolerance towards majority of Muslims who do not share the beliefs of the nut jobs risks distancing them away from British society and allowing them to be used as tools for radicalisation by extremist groups. However, community leaders should do a bit more to emphasise the core principles of the Islamic faith whilst pointing out the fallacies of Wahabism and Extreme Salafism (these people do exist but we need more) and the real biggy which Markhor pointed out is foreign funding of mosque's in the UK.

Besides that, if there's a dodgy molvi which anyone suspects is chatting crap during a speech in a mosque then they should report him. And off course parents are also important in ensuring they don't send their kids to any of the dodgy madrasas, especially to the guys who always say things like "Mawlid is a innovation/shirkh"

These are realistic solutions and no one should make the normal folk complicit in the attacks whilst advocating the need to create a Justice league to defeat ISIS. We also need a Labour Goverment which will put an end to foreign policy and trade with extremist countries like saudi arabia.


Have you ever personally witnessed that? I'm not a big mosque goer, but the only dodgy people I ever saw chatting crap in a mosque were the HT guys back in the day, and they were just a couple of rabble rouser students who got chased out by the mosque authorities themselves.
 
Have you ever personally witnessed that? I'm not a big mosque goer, but the only dodgy people I ever saw chatting crap in a mosque were the HT guys back in the day, and they were just a couple of rabble rouser students who got chased out by the mosque authorities themselves.

Yes I've a few times so stopped going there for friday prayer and reported the troublesome Imam, it was in the east midlands where I am studying. In fact, a big chunk of the Islamic societies in Universities around the UK tend to swing towards the Salafi end; and while not all of these depict extremist tendencies they tend to be the most idiotic which can plant the seeds for radicalisation even when they do not intend it. However, in Brum my local Imam has never spewed any nonsense and has a good relationship with the local kids whom look up to him.
 
maybe like high profile marches by Muslim NGOs and organisations against ISIS would help improve public perception.

But definitely foreign funding of mosques needs to be looked at especially from the Gulf.

And also the non violent extremist mullahs who spread a hatred againsy western lifestyles gender mixing listening to music going to cinema need to be reported and cracked down. These guys sow the seeds of a radical.mindset which can in some develeop into violent radicalism. You see the Zakir Naiks the Dawahmans Ali Dawahs who spread this type of extreme mindset that causes you to separate from non Muslims.

Like TIJ has been a gateway for violent radicals.

Also things like Niqab Abaya Jilbaba these type of garments are enforced by the likes of ISIS in their terrirtories. And for an average non Muslim westerner who sees people wearing this attire they will see this person as more of a potential extremist. I already think face coverings should be banned in certain public buildings.

But i dont think there should be outright ban on clothing.
 
The novel way as a Pakistani to stop being associated with an Algerian nutter is to dilute the only link between the two: Islam. Put your country first in the public's eye, so people over time start regarding you as Pakistanis and not Muslims first and foremost.

Let's be real, what good has the association with the assorted banana republics brought Pakistan anyway? Leave alone Pakistanis abroad who are in the firing line every few months because of their antics.

Of course, do what you want within the confines of your house. You can be Muslims there day and night and forget about Pakistan if that's what you want.
 
The novel way as a Pakistani to stop being associated with an Algerian nutter is to dilute the only link between the two: Islam. Put your country first in the public's eye, so people over time start regarding you as Pakistanis and not Muslims first and foremost.

Let's be real, what good has the association with the assorted banana republics brought Pakistan anyway? Leave alone Pakistanis abroad who are in the firing line every few months because of their antics.

Of course, do what you want within the confines of your house. You can be Muslims there day and night and forget about Pakistan if that's what you want.

I've given this some thought today and I agree with you.

I have absolutely nothing in common with Saudi's, somalians, Syrians, Lebanese, Libyans etc etc etc.

I am British of Pakistany descent and that's it.

I do not associate myself with anyone other then those of my country and my country of origin.
 
We know which particular organisations harbour such beliefs. Furthermore, certain individuals can be easily identified and security forces have to do more.
 
The novel way as a Pakistani to stop being associated with an Algerian nutter is to dilute the only link between the two: Islam. Put your country first in the public's eye, so people over time start regarding you as Pakistanis and not Muslims first and foremost.

Let's be real, what good has the association with the assorted banana republics brought Pakistan anyway? Leave alone Pakistanis abroad who are in the firing line every few months because of their antics.

Of course, do what you want within the confines of your house. You can be Muslims there day and night and forget about Pakistan if that's what you want.

What makes you think Pakistanis want to associate themselves with an 'Algerian nutter' because of Islam? Do you associate yourself with people who burn down minority locations in India because they do it on behalf of Hinduism?
 
Expand on this pls

Eg; I have seen Muslims who skip important meetings at work because it is prayer time etc. Personally it didn't bother me and some of them are really good people and from both India and Pak...but clearly it didn't make a few westerners happy...I can vouch this wasn't an isolated incident in one company I worked for.

Now since it's a cricketing forum example of Muslim cricketers in team sports asking a stupid logo of a sponsor removed because it manufactures alcohol? Now I am a Hindu if I go to a steakhouse with my colleagues from work, sure I will order something else or just won't eat anything there but won't stop me from socializing or having a good time rather than rubbing my religion in their face as to what the vedas said about killing cows :)) I am sure similarly a few muslims who don't drink go out socializing in a setting where alcohol is served without drinking.

Problem starts happening is when you start enforcing your religion in other people's face.
 
Learn to disassociate VALID CRITICISM of ISLAMIC IDEOLOGY/PRACTICES and POLITICAL VIEWS of ISLAM from the umbrella of ISLAMOPHOBIA.

I'm not denying ISLAMOPHOBIA exists, but each time a valid criticism of something - be it Misogyny, female Genital mutilation, violence to towards women/kafirs in the holy books etc is mentioned it's all branded as islamophobic by many and the discussion is not allowed to continue. Many of these radical elements use this as a safety net or cover to further their more radical ideas (read caliphate, jihad etc).

Moderate / liberal / non violent muslims need to ensure their support for the religion & faithful is in no way empowering fringe radical elements.

You may not yourself go out and shoot kafirs/homosexuals, but every time you praise someone dying/getting attacked for being a kaffir/homosexual , or not protest others who openly support violence towards them , you are infact emboldening these elements to further their radical agenda.

now this is what you call a blanket statement. trying to lump every one into same group.

No! I won't neither apologize for some lunatic, psychotic killing innocent.

I won't apologize for few backward African countries believing female Genital mutilation ( which is not limited to Muslim countries in Africa.

I won't apologize for few lunatic celebrating killing of homosexual, though the term "homo" is mostly used by non muslims as derogatory term.

I as a muslim condemn it but it is not heard because i as a Muslim is condemning. I am loud but it won't matter unless Islamaphobe or ignorance is there.
 
I've given this some thought today and I agree with you.

I have absolutely nothing in common with Saudi's, somalians, Syrians, Lebanese, Libyans etc etc etc.

I am British of Pakistany descent and that's it.

I do not associate myself with anyone other then those of my country and my country of origin.

I agree to a certain extent but wasn't this the way it used to be anyway? when I was growing up in the 80s it was the Pakistani identity that was in the primacy, it's only in the last 25 years that this Muslim identity has overtaken; something that I as an agnostic can't associate with. However, don't forget 7/7 bombers were of Pakistani origin.
 
I've given this some thought today and I agree with you.

I have absolutely nothing in common with Saudi's, somalians, Syrians, Lebanese, Libyans etc etc etc.

I am British of Pakistany descent and that's it.

I do not associate myself with anyone other then those of my country and my country of origin.

More power to you.
 
There's nothing that can be done. Maybe changing your appearance and having non-religious names may help but the future is very grim for anyone who is born into a Muslim household.
 
Muslims didn't vote for ISIS. Other peoples vote and re-vote for governments slaughtering civilians by the 100 000s. Those who hate Muslims for that were those who were always prone to do so, and just needed to be triggered. Apart from that, I don't know what can really change. Even many well known Islamic scholars, including "Salafis", have criticized ISIS and earned death threats. You can't do more.
 
I don't know maybe go to the pub every now and than and indulge in the odd disco dance on a friday night?
 
there were muslim groups at the vigil in Manchester yesterday and there is one organised in Bradford by Muslim organisations to preach cross community harmony and solidarity against hate. Thats the best thing people can do be active citizens in times like this and the response from many British Muslims as individuals and organisations has been great. Like it was after the Westminister attack.
 
Muslims didn't vote for ISIS. Other peoples vote and re-vote for governments slaughtering civilians by the 100 000s. Those who hate Muslims for that were those who were always prone to do so, and just needed to be triggered. Apart from that, I don't know what can really change. Even many well known Islamic scholars, including "Salafis", have criticized ISIS and earned death threats. You can't do more.

Agreed 100%. Its really sad what is happening in the world in the name of Islam. There really can't be anything that stops lone wolfs from carrying out atrocities which kill the victims then spread like wildfire on media to homes of billions who become paranoid and afraid. Its truly astonishing how much damage one person can do if somehow they are linked to some group which operates from the middle of no where.
 
First of all, don't strip away your identity for a few wrongdoers. I see comments here stating a change of clothing, no niqab, hijab. But in my opinion a change will get your further away spiritually. Again though, if that's the route you choose to integrate further into a British society then that's up to you. I mean it in a case of, wearing a hijab pre-Manchester bombing; not wearing a hijab post-Manchester bombing - you shouldn't feel that you need to change your appearance, however we have seen from the past that may Muslims have been singled out post-terror attacks and have been individually targetted 'because of your religion'. If your life is in danger, or you're worried about your safety, then I'd understand a change of appearance. But my underline point is be proud of who you are and show everyone that Muslims =/ terrorism.

A major thing I'd advocate is no more segregation. I feel that this aspect takes us back a notch and creates some friction between men and women. This holds us back socially and from an outsider looking in, they'd think we're barbaric. These sorts of cultural nuances can be pushed out to which we can create new, healthy interactions between men and women.
 
Learn to disassociate VALID CRITICISM of ISLAMIC IDEOLOGY/PRACTICES and POLITICAL VIEWS of ISLAM from the umbrella of ISLAMOPHOBIA.

I'm not denying ISLAMOPHOBIA exists, but each time a valid criticism of something - be it Misogyny, female Genital mutilation, violence to towards women/kafirs in the holy books etc is mentioned it's all branded as islamophobic by many and the discussion is not allowed to continue. Many of these radical elements use this as a safety net or cover to further their more radical ideas (read caliphate, jihad etc).

Moderate / liberal / non violent muslims need to ensure their support for the religion & faithful is in no way empowering fringe radical elements.

You may not yourself go out and shoot kafirs/homosexuals, but every time you praise someone dying/getting attacked for being a kaffir/homosexual , or not protest others who openly support violence towards them , you are infact emboldening these elements to further their radical agenda.

What misogyny?? Hijab?? What violence against women i or kaafirs in the holy books?? Prophet Mohammad was the mos peaceful human being on this planet, to anyone, no matter what their religion.

Also I hope you know that no one (at least the muslims I know) praises these attacks.
 
How can they ensure that they are seen as distinct with no relations to ISIS type groups? In that the general what can be done that that European or North American population (the world in general) sees them as something a totally separate entity from the larger Muslim populations.

Basically how can the narrative that ISIS=/Muslims, be made mainstream?

sadly Islam in its purest form is just not compatible with the modern world as it has many dimensions including political and that combination is lethal. Islam needs a reformer. So short answer not much you can do ....
 
I see no reason why decent Muslims need to do anything to distinguish themselves from terrorists. That would be to assume that they are one and the same to begin with.

But as has been validly pinted out on this thread, Muslims living in the UK need to stop poisoning the minds of their children and cultivating them for easy radicalisation by terrorists in the future. That means you stop teaching hatred for non-Muslims and learn to integrate into the society you chose to live in.
 
Lose the ostensible Muslim identity, whether that's beards, niqabs and other surface paraphernalia that marks you out from a distance. Live your life with decent values and instill them in your kids. Those are what I would call personal responsibilities, the wider one for Muslim leadership can be dealt with by the British authorities.

I see no reason to leave muslim identity , yes that may help you from not being targeted but will the perceptions change ? I dont see any difference between a Hindu wearing a saffron head gear , lungi and a muslim keeping a beard ( Not the unkept ones ) .

As for perceptions , it will not change untill you stop teaching your kids about Islam being the only religion , they will never join the mainstream with this belief and your community will always be seen with suspicion .
 
What misogyny?? Hijab?? What violence against women i or kaafirs in the holy books?? Prophet Mohammad was the mos peaceful human being on this planet, to anyone, no matter what their religion.

Also I hope you know that no one (at least the muslims I know) praises these attacks.

May be , May be not ?
No way anyone can be sure about this .
 
Next time there is a public showing of unity where all communities get together in solidarity, the Muslims should say "we put aside our religion and stand here shoulder to shoulder with everyone as British people not as Muslims"..
 
Why would anyone see western Muslims as related to ISIS type groups? The European and North American do see you as different or else you wouldn't have the freedom to go about your daily life.

What we need to do is that we shouldn't see ourselves separate from rest of the population. Learn about your local issues and take part in political system. Be a law abiding citizen, learn about the local culture if you're an immigrant, learn and speak local language, gain education, don't instill victim hood mentality in children, encourge kids to play local sports and get involved in community work. Teach kids to respect everyone regardless of their skin color and religious beliefs. This leads to integration and friendly relations with other people
 
As for perceptions , it will not change untill you stop teaching your kids about Islam being the only religion , they will never join the mainstream with this belief and your community will always be seen with suspicion .

That, and if there's one law that must stopped being spouted pronto - it's the 72 virgins thing. It's a pointless carrot to dangle, and even a casual search on the Internet reveals that there is no substance behind anybody from ancient times even promising such a thing with conviction.
 
Most of the terrorists usually are westernised, living the high life. sex drugs and rock and roll until they decide to wreak carnage. After that it's the moderate, law abiding and peace loving muslims who have their faith and appearance scrutinised. How is this even fair?

The fanatics and war mongers have no religion or respect for human life.
 
Most of the terrorists usually are westernised, living the high life. sex drugs and rock and roll until they decide to wreak carnage. After that it's the moderate, law abiding and peace loving muslims who have their faith and appearance scrutinised. How is this even fair?

The fanatics and war mongers have no religion or respect for human life.

But there is also an "In between" phase where they suddenly abstain from said activities and go into a shell. Full on reclusive mode, googling extremism and downloading propaganda online. Many of these western born attackers aren't exactly radicalized at mosques, it's mostly done by content on the internet.
 
Most of the terrorists usually are westernised, living the high life. sex drugs and rock and roll until they decide to wreak carnage. After that it's the moderate, law abiding and peace loving muslims who have their faith and appearance scrutinised. How is this even fair?

The fanatics and war mongers have no religion or respect for human life.

I completely agree with that .

The western worlds problem is that the current generation has not seen any hardships , everything has been served on the platter . When you experience all the good things in life so early in your life and without any effort , what next ? drugs may be , but thats not exactly as exciting it was 20 years back . Some go into depression , some kill them selves and some may go on a shooting spree . I dont think its so difficult to brainwash these kids and make them believe they would be doing some thing meaningful by joining these terrorist organisations .
People had midlife crisis in the past , when its too late to do anything damaging cos you probably are married and have kids by then , but a crisis at a very early age where you normally dont give a damn about anything your just a perfect fit .
 
Trying not to Isolate yourself from the culture of the majority because it isn't Islamic would be a good start.
 
That, and if there's one law that must stopped being spouted pronto - it's the 72 virgins thing. It's a pointless carrot to dangle, and even a casual search on the Internet reveals that there is no substance behind anybody from ancient times even promising such a thing with conviction.

It's not a law, and usually mostly brought up by Islamophobic bigots when they want to discredit or attack the religion. It's not some pillar of faith that every Muslim goes round spouting it, but I suspect you already know that.
 
A part of the problem is a large percentage of the good practicing Muslims that reside in the west have this strange obsession with showing off and voluntary boasting their inner faith and imaan to everyone around them with no regard for the rest of the public's faith and religious tolerance, be it their vocal or personal presentation… Christians, Jews, Hindu’s, Sikhs etc do not do this to the same extent in their day to day lives!

Simple example, I'm on the train into London this morning, an overtly Muslim couple 3 or 4 seats back dressed in their Jubah and Jilbabs are talking out very loud to each other about their Salahs, Sunnahs, Ramadan plans and what Sheikh xyz said in his baiyaan last week etc, while i can understand and relate to their conversations to a certain extent, I'm not quite sure Simon the suited city worker or Bob the builder sitting quietly behind them really wants to hear it all, it can drive even the level headed tolerant non muslim to border on intolerance, almost like we try to test their level of patience.

Same goes for Mr Iqbal the decent taxi drivers who has been driving non Muslims around in his taxi most of his professional life in Britian, but regardless of who the passenger is in the back, he must be dressed in his shalwar kameez and topi with Islamic radio, naheeds or tilawaat blearing out of his speakers during the taxi ride.

Religion and faith is a very private and personal thing to most people in the west, Muslims need to tone down on their presentation, blend in and practice their faith in peace and private just like everyone else does, only then we will move away from being the topic of the week….

my rant over!
 
Two things.

Establish that Islam does not equal to killing. Islam condemns killing at any cost of innocents and helpless. Till foreigners believe that, they will continually think that Muslims support this.

Stop doing Dawah in streets. I know it is enjoined upon us, but considering the geo-political state of the world, it is height of insanity to preach about Salah and Ramadan when people who profess the same religion as you are killing in such name.

So in essence.

Denounce all attacks.

Shy away from inviting other people to Islam in current scenario.

Personally, I feel Islam is not spread from Dawah but by example. Lead the example you want people to be and let them ask you...
 
Trying not to Isolate yourself from the culture of the majority because it isn't Islamic would be a good start.

It's a human phenomenon. China and their dozens of Chinatown's on different continents or British expatriates in Spain don't really seem to follow Islam.

Muslims have all rights to subscribe to identitarian politics, like everyone else, and if many of the terrorists grew up in an area where traditional Sunni scholarship was burgeoning - and not neo liberal American crypto culture with its stress on violence - then they wouldn't have ended up there.
 
Maybe it would help if ostensibly religious British Muslims like Moeen Ali and Adil Rashid could actually be bothered to offer their condolences and condemn attacks like this in the country they are born and brought up in like they do attacks in Syria, Yemen or anywhere else in the Middle East?

Don't see anything about the attacks on their twitter pages. Shocking behaviour.

Moeen Ali is not that active on Twitter, but here in 2014

England cricketer Moeen Ali urges young British Muslims to shun extremist groups

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/england-cricketer-moeen-ali-urges-7762644

but I guess he and Amir Khan, Sadiq Khan, ... should whip themselves on a daily basis in front of the Buckingham Palace while few others would peacefully re-elect Bush/Blair after they decided to invade Iraq (where you do find some children by the way, though perhaps not fans of Ariana Grande).
 
Lose the ostensible Muslim identity, whether that's beards, niqabs and other surface paraphernalia that marks you out from a distance. Live your life with decent values and instill them in your kids. Those are what I would call personal responsibilities, the wider one for Muslim leadership can be dealt with by the British authorities.

Lose your Islamic identity? Yeah, not happening. The only way people will stop associating beards and niqabs with terrorists is if they see decent, harmless Muslims wearing beards and niqaabs and living out their lives. What you suggest will only give these terrorists more fuel to light their "we are the only true Muslims" fuel.
 
Most of the terrorists usually are westernised, living the high life. sex drugs and rock and roll until they decide to wreak carnage. After that it's the moderate, law abiding and peace loving muslims who have their faith and appearance scrutinised. How is this even fair?

The fanatics and war mongers have no religion or respect for human life.

This. Poverty, inner demons and being a social outcast is what inspires a terrorist to blow themselves up in a place of festivities or shoot up a school. Religion is not the problem.
 
Western or Eastern Muslims need to Listen to Mohammad Rasool Allah SAW's Command of " Yada ul Harb " only than all terrorist Muslim Organisations World Wide will thrown their weapons and only official legal government paid Police or Army will defend countries.

Hence there will be no terrorist organisation run by any Muslim and there will be no online recruitment and no brain washing.

Unless you don't accept Mohammad Pbuh command these fanatics barbarians would exist.


Non Muslim powers need to stop doing oil trade with these terrorists. They should stop their funding and lifeline (weapons).
 
Keeping religion private, like most folks do, is good for any average Joe. Apart from that, I don't think anyone should do anything special.

Muslims are not one monolithic group and yes, some groups do hold extremist views and many of them go on to kill in name of religion. Problem starts when anyone criticizing extremists gets labelled as Islamophobic and all that.
 
[MENTION=137485]Dios[/MENTION] Moeen and Adil arent the theykeydars of British Muslims.
 
Apparently one of the attackers was wearing a jilbab. wouldnt be surprised if overt sign of Muslim religiosity will be clamped down in the future which is sad.
 
Apparently one of the attackers was wearing a jilbab. wouldnt be surprised if overt sign of Muslim religiosity will be clamped down in the future which is sad.

No because that is what those that own Harrods, The Shard, Man City The Olympic Village etc etc wear.
 
[MENTION=396]mani1[/MENTION] arab sheikhs will get away with it because of paisa. Ordinary decent Muslims will suffer from surge in right wing populism.
 
Apparently one of the attackers was wearing a jilbab. wouldnt be surprised if overt sign of Muslim religiosity will be clamped down in the future which is sad.

What's sad about it? If the British govt thinks that is what the electorate wants then so be it. Although I don't see why you need to wear a jilbaab to run someone over or stick a knife in a civilian.
 
[MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] people paying for crimes of others is always sad. Maybe he went to the mosque before he carried out the attack who knows.
 
It is time to fight terrorism.

This is not the time to fight religious rights & human rights.
 
[MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] people paying for crimes of others is always sad. Maybe he went to the mosque before he carried out the attack who knows.

Not sure how that was relevant to my reply to your post but ok.
 
@Cpt.Rishwat if overt signs of Muslim religiosity like jilbab niqab burqa hijab are clamped down because these symbols are used by likes of ISIS then the ordinary Muslims who wear these things who dont support ISIS or terrorism will suffer for the actions of extremists. Theres the relevance.
 
@Cpt.Rishwat if overt signs of Muslim religiosity like jilbab niqab burqa hijab are clamped down because these symbols are used by likes of ISIS then the ordinary Muslims who wear these things who dont support ISIS or terrorism will suffer for the actions of extremists. Theres the relevance.

so then what would be the point?
 
@Cpt.Rishwat yes. it would be unfortunate in a country like Britain if went down that route
 
@Cpt.Rishwat yes. it would be unfortunate in a country like Britain if went down that route

I don't think they will. Like I said you don't need to wear a burka or a turban to run someone down in a truck. A ban on clothing isn't going to stop a terrorist. It's a ridiculous notion to be honest, not sure why we are even discussing it.
 
@cpt.rishwat i agree with that but when if attacks continue people turn to populist quick fix answers. Someone like Trump being a prime example.
 
There should be no link between Daesh sympathizers and the nearly two billion Muslims in the world, in the first place. Asking the everyday Muslim to pay for these lunatics' crimes will only result in more attacks.
 
[MENTION=137485]Dios[/MENTION] Moeen and Adil arent the theykeydars of British Muslims.

I didn't say they were. All public figures regardless of religious affiliation are expected to express some form of public sympathy for the victims of such attacks and condemn the perpetrators. What are Moeen and Adil trying to prove with their silence and indifference over the matter anyway but then being vocal about issues in the Middle East? The 'they are not active on social media' excuse doesn't fly in times like this when you can send a message in less that a minute through your phones.

The thread is essentially about how western Muslims can improve their image. Wouldn't you agree that it would help if two prominent British Muslims who by their appearance seem to be of the religious type could actually be bothered to express some sort of compassion and care in times like this? The issue is not with Moeen and Adil per se but the fact that this attitude is emblematic of a lot of young British Muslims who put on a combative front in times like this and say 'Oh why should I have to condemn this' or 'where was the outrage for Syria or Palestine'. I would totally understand if white British person chose to be offended by this kind of behaviour.
 
[MENTION=137485]Dios[/MENTION] i understand it would be helpful but thats more the job of groupa like MCB and other Muslim organisations that work with the govt.

im not a fan of the what about Syria or Palestine anytime a terror attack happens in the West. It just makes you look antipathic and nor caring of people who die in your own country and make you look like an outsider.
 
I didn't say they were. All public figures regardless of religious affiliation are expected to express some form of public sympathy for the victims of such attacks and condemn the perpetrators. What are Moeen and Adil trying to prove with their silence and indifference over the matter anyway but then being vocal about issues in the Middle East? The 'they are not active on social media' excuse doesn't fly in times like this when you can send a message in less that a minute through your phones.

The thread is essentially about how western Muslims can improve their image. Wouldn't you agree that it would help if two prominent British Muslims who by their appearance seem to be of the religious type could actually be bothered to express some sort of compassion and care in times like this? The issue is not with Moeen and Adil per se but the fact that this attitude is emblematic of a lot of young British Muslims who put on a combative front in times like this and say 'Oh why should I have to condemn this' or 'where was the outrage for Syria or Palestine'. I would totally understand if white British person chose to be offended by this kind of behaviour.

I see nothing on Hales, Morgan, Stokes, Plunkett, etc.'s Twitter accounts either. Don't see anyone jumping on their back for it either. Inexplicably, Moeen and Adil's social media receives special scrutiny from the likes of you.
 
Make sure you're not on the police watch list

Don't get into contact with Isis recruiters

Engage with the non Muslim public without them converting to your ways or you converting to theirs

If you don't agree with voting , don't force people not to vote
Similarly if you're a political hard nut, don't expect everyone to conform to your way of thinking and be ok with agreeing to disagree
 
There should be no link between Daesh sympathizers and the nearly two billion Muslims in the world, in the first place. Asking the everyday Muslim to pay for these lunatics' crimes will only result in more attacks.

The problem is this:

The attackers are generally western born and bred Muslims. They aren't folks who grew up in the Middle East and had someone killed by western troops and have an axe to grind. These are western Muslims you see in the mosque or in the streets. So yes they are part of these western Muslim communities and hence naturally people will find a connection between them and the communities they come from

And hence there is a need for the western Muslim communities to distinguish themselves from these idiots. If it was some Iraqis or Syrian Arabs from these countries specifically coming to the west to carry out such attacks then it would be a different case. But unfortunately in majority of these cases it is Muslims who are born and bred in the west
 
The problem is this:

The attackers are generally western born and bred Muslims. They aren't folks who grew up in the Middle East and had someone killed by western troops and have an axe to grind. These are western Muslims you see in the mosque or in the streets. So yes they are part of these western Muslim communities and hence naturally people will find a connection between them and the communities they come from

And hence there is a need for the western Muslim communities to distinguish themselves from these idiots. If it was some Iraqis or Syrian Arabs from these countries specifically coming to the west to carry out such attacks then it would be a different case. But unfortunately in majority of these cases it is Muslims who are born and bred in the west

@Ail_94 [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] - Thoughts on this logic?
 
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