What comes first? Country, religion, language, culture or caste? State your preference

[DW44]

Don't you that is Saudification rather than Arabization?

Yes. Arabization is just a more convenient term since it is already common here but yeah, Arabization in the Pakistani context, if we're being really specific, refers to Saudi(plus their mini-me minions UAE and Kuwait) influence, not the Arab world at large(Maghreb etc.).

 

[hussain.r97]

Culture
Country
Religion
Language





Caste

 

[Buffet]

Culture

Country

 

[enkidu_]

Yes. Arabization is just a more convenient term since it is already common here but yeah, Arabization in the Pakistani context, if we're being really specific, refers to Saudi(plus their mini-me minions UAE and Kuwait) influence, not the Arab world at large(Maghreb etc.).

Esp. that "Arabization" of the enlightened Levantine microcosm would actually have been a positive cultural metastasis eroding all passive and permanent Hindu influences, while Saudization is pretty much modernization without modernity (only caricatures of fossilized vision of a fantasized pre-theological religious reality, only leading to superficial halal finance, halal food, halal obesity, etc).

 

[TM Riddle]

Culture/Caste
Don't care much about the rest.

 

[Yossarian]

You said the others are man made while Humanity is the most important. So is Humanity man made?

Humanity is not 'made'. It's there inside oneself or it isn't. Not dissimilar to 'human instinct'. Hence you're question has no meaning.

 

[Mamoon]

Context matters. If someone puts a gun to my head, I will choose religion over country because as per my beliefs, the only thing that will help me after death is Islam.

However, will I give preference to a Pakistani Hindu over a non-Pakistani Muslim? Yes I will.

Don't care about caste, culture of language. Only people with identity crisis do.

 

[troodon]

All of you guys saying religion first over country/culture, will you really ditch your culture/country for the sake of religion? Is this something you are saying on Internet or you guys serious about it?

 

[Rayyman]

Humanity is not 'made'. It's there inside oneself or it isn't. Not dissimilar to 'human instinct'. Hence you're question has no meaning.

Okay, so you meant this meaning: Humanity- the quality or condition of being human; human nature; the quality of being humane; kindness; benevolence.
I meant this: all human beings collectively; the human race; humankind.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/humanity

 

[Rayyman]

Context matters. If someone puts a gun to my head, I will choose religion over country because as per my beliefs, the only thing that will help me after death is Islam.

However, will I give preference to a Pakistani Hindu over a non-Pakistani Muslim? Yes I will.

Don't care about caste, culture of language. Only people with identity crisis do.

Some reliigions thrive better in particular cultures. Thus my preference over one culture over another. As it easier to practice Islam in Arabia or South Asia than say USA or UK. As for language, I would love to have been born into an Arabic family, as I would have been able to understand the Qur'an better. But I realize there are some benefits of knowing English and Urdu too.

 

[street cricketer]

Context matters. If someone puts a gun to my head, I will choose religion over country because as per my beliefs, the only thing that will help me after death is Islam.

However, will I give preference to a Pakistani Hindu over a non-Pakistani Muslim? Yes I will.

Don't care about caste, culture of language. Only people with identity crisis do.

That's a bit like atheists saying only cowards care about religion because almost everyone who believes in religion does so as not to incur the wrath of God for not believing in Him in the after life. You would very rarely come across people who dedicate themselves and believe in God without any expectations, it's almost always for one's own selfish reasons even if it's something for in afterlife. It all depends on perspective. What's important to someone may look rubbish to someone else and what's important to that guy might look childish to the other guy. That's diversity and there's a reason not all humans in the world are the same in behaviour and beliefs.

 

[Thivagar]

Conclusion

Pakistanis give more importance to religion than the others while Indians give more importance to language and culture. Since India is so diverse, fake patriotism is needed to make up for the lack of uniformity.

 

[Thivagar]

Context matters. If someone puts a gun to my head, I will choose religion over country because as per my beliefs, the only thing that will help me after death is Islam.

However, will I give preference to a Pakistani Hindu over a non-Pakistani Muslim? Yes I will.

Don't care about caste, culture of language. Only people with identity crisis do.

Kinda ironic considering you follow the Arabic Culture, Arabic practices, Arabic Religion and heck even your language suffers identity crisis considering the language's script has Arabic script lol.

 

[Rayyman]

That's a bit like atheists saying only cowards care about religion because almost everyone who believes in religion does so as not to incur the wrath of God for not believing in Him in the after life. You would very rarely come across people who dedicate themselves and believe in God without any expectations, it's almost always for one's own selfish reasons even if it's something for in afterlife. It all depends on perspective. What's important to someone may look rubbish to someone else and what's important to that guy might look childish to the other guy. That's diversity and there's a reason not all humans in the world are the same in behaviour and beliefs.

Most religions help people in the current life because of the guidelines. Not only in the after-life. For example, drinking or drugs aren't allowed in most religions and that's for good measure.

 

[troodon]

Kinda ironic considering you follow the Arabic Culture, Arabic practices, Arabic Religion and heck even your language suffers identity crisis considering the language's script has Arabic script lol.

Anyone knows what was the original script of Pashto? Has it always been Arabic type?

Before Arabs entered Subcontinent, what script were people using in Afghanistan/KPK areas?

I cannot tell apart Arabic/Persian/Urdu/Punjabi(Pak)/Pashto scripts. They all look the same to me.

 

[Mamoon]

Kinda ironic considering you follow the Arabic Culture, Arabic practices, Arabic Religion and heck even your language suffers identity crisis considering the language's script has Arabic script lol.

So what should I do, create my own language and create my own religion?

My point is that I don't care about my ethnic language which is Pashto. If my kids tomorrow don't speak Pashto, I wouldn't care. However, they must respect their country and religion.

I would also like them to learn and speak Urdu because it our national language and hence, part of our nationalism which to me is much more important than my ethnicity. I identify myself as a Pakistani rather than a Pathan.

 

[Mamoon]

Anyone knows what was the original script of Pashto? Has it always been Arabic type?

Before Arabs entered Subcontinent, what script were people using in Afghanistan/KPK areas?

I cannot tell apart Arabic/Persian/Urdu/Punjabi(Pak)/Pashto scripts. They all look the same to me.

The origin of Pashto is disputed by historians and linguists, but most agree that it has Zoroastrian origins.

 

[Mamoon]

That's a bit like atheists saying only cowards care about religion because almost everyone who believes in religion does so as not to incur the wrath of God for not believing in Him in the after life. You would very rarely come across people who dedicate themselves and believe in God without any expectations, it's almost always for one's own selfish reasons even if it's something for in afterlife. It all depends on perspective. What's important to someone may look rubbish to someone else and what's important to that guy might look childish to the other guy. That's diversity and there's a reason not all humans in the world are the same in behaviour and beliefs.

Yes, but this identity crisis that I'm referring to is contextual. I live in KPK and some people here suffer from this cultural/ethnic identity crisis because they identify themselves as Pathans rather than Pakistanis and thus, believe that KPK should be part of Afghanistan or it should become independent and form its own state.

 

[speed]

Yes, but this identity crisis that I'm referring to is contextual. I live in KPK and some people here suffer from this cultural/ethnic identity crisis because they identify themselves as Pathans rather than Pakistanis and thus, believe that KPK should be part of Afghanistan or it should become independent and form its own state.

I don't blame them, love for a state is fake, it is indoctrinated within the people of the nation, but love for your own people comes naturally to everyone.

 

[Pakistanian]

I don't blame them, love for a state is fake, it is indoctrinated within the people of the nation, but love for your own people comes naturally to everyone.

Depends on what you consider your people, a state can create a people too - Pakistan is a young country so I guess that sense of peoplehood isn't there yet but it's growing and it's more noticeable in the big cities or in mix ethnic families like mine, cause we don't have one ethnicity or language to identify with.

 

[Dman]

Conclusion

Pakistanis give more importance to religion than the others while Indians give more importance to language and culture. Since India is so diverse, fake patriotism is needed to make up for the lack of uniformity.

That's because Pakistanis participating in this thread are Muslims while Indians are mostly Hindu's.

If only Muslims / Sikhs from India participated in this thread, their preference would tally with that of the Pakistanis. Not that there is anything wrong with it, infact it's good.

 

[street cricketer]

Most religions help people in the current life because of the guidelines. Not only in the after-life. For example, drinking or drugs aren't allowed in most religions and that's for good measure.

I don't drink and do drugs. And I'm definitely not religious by PP standards. And I do know a truckload of people who smoke and drink, yet being very religious (not that I'm judging them. It's their life and their choice).

 

[Thivagar]

That's because Pakistanis participating in this thread are Muslims while Indians are mostly Hindu's.

If only Muslims / Sikhs from India participated in this thread, their preference would tally with that of the Pakistanis. Not that there is anything wrong with it, infact it's good.

I lived in India longer than I did in SL, I also have lived in Canada much longer than both of these places combined together in a well diverse, multicultural society and to my knowledge Indians are "less religious" and Pakistanis are "more religious".

 

[Bilal7]

Religion first and foremost, of course. Islam is a whole way of life. Then comes Country and then Culture. Language is determined by these three and Caste is something that villagers from India believe in.

 

[endymion248]

So what should I do, create my own language and create my own religion?

My point is that I don't care about my ethnic language which is Pashto. If my kids tomorrow don't speak Pashto, I wouldn't care. However, they must respect their country and religion.

I would also like them to learn and speak Urdu because it our national language and hence, part of our nationalism which to me is much more important than my ethnicity. I identify myself as a Pakistani rather than a Pathan.

Ethnicity, language and caste are hereditary. Country and religion are circumstancial. If your kids were born outside Pakistan, they wouldn't owe any alliegance to Pakistan. Religion is just an ideology, no reason kids should be bound to their parents'.

To imitate your strange generalization, only people with nothing to be proud of care about country and religion over their parents' ethnicity, caste or language.

 

[Mamoon]

Ethnicity, language and caste are hereditary. Country and religion are circumstancial. If your kids were born outside Pakistan, they wouldn't owe any alliegance to Pakistan. Religion is just an ideology, no reason kids should be bound to their parents'.

To imitate your strange generalization, only people with nothing to be proud of care about country and religion over their parents' ethnicity, caste or language.

They will not be born outside Pakistan and they will owe allegiance to Pakistan and will be bound to follow Islam. I don't care if they speak Pashto or not, or if they take pride in their ethnicity. However, they shall have no freedom of choice when it comes to country and religion.

End of discussion.

 

[big_gamer007]

language - I don't really mind I speak in English and Hindi both so never really thought of having some love for language till I read this thread..
Culture- I love Indian culture and I love other cultures too so it's. it just my culture I love..
Religion- I respect it..
Nation- Amongst these 4 I would say this is the most important to me you could say..

Though before the above 4 I would consider my family and loved ones above any of these..

 

[moghul]

Religion

Country

Language

Rest, doesn't matter.

 

[PakLFC]

Country where you were born and live.
Faith (I don't like the word "religion").
Country of ethnicity.
Language.
Culture.

 

[Thivagar]

I guess people with no uniqueness in their language can't and don't appreciate their language.

 

[kabbirann]

Region ie Punjab more than anything less.
Even though I have lived in Punjab for only 2 yrs,being Punjabi is a very important part of my identity.
My language,culture,religion,tribe (hate the word caste,as Jats we were never a part of the caste system)is all intrinsically tied to Punjab.

 

[SandyB]

language - I don't really mind I speak in English and Hindi both so never really thought of having some love for language till I read this thread..
Culture- I love Indian culture and I love other cultures too so it's. it just my culture I love..
Religion- I respect it..
Nation- Amongst these 4 I would say this is the most important to me you could say..

Though before the above 4 I would consider my family and loved ones above any of these..

Well, for those of us from the South, its more of a complex situation. We learn our Mother tongue and English for sure. Some of us (most actually ) do have atleast a basic ability to communicate in Hindi. Some cases we also learn the languages of the nearby state. When you are in a big city like Bangalore or Hyderabad , being able to talk your native language becomes a more defining aspect than anything else.. When you are in a nrthern city like Delhi / Kolkata / Chandigarh it is less of an issue because most people atmost will speak English /Hindi or languages very close to hindi (bengali,Punjabi).

 

[Mamoon]

I guess people with no uniqueness in their language can't and don't appreciate their language.

No that is not the case, it's just that some people are struggling with the idea that for some, country and religion is more important than language and culture.

 

[Thivagar]

language - I don't really mind I speak in English and Hindi both so never really thought of having some love for language till I read this thread..
Culture- I love Indian culture and I love other cultures too so it's. it just my culture I love..
Religion- I respect it..
Nation- Amongst these 4 I would say this is the most important to me you could say..

Though before the above 4 I would consider my family and loved ones above any of these..

1. There is no uniqueness in Hindi, Urudu, Guju, Punjabi and etc. "Ek" = one, "Nam "= Name and etc. And therefore you don't see the value of your language and the culture is loosely the same(Punjab maybe different ?).

2. LOL WTH is an "Indian culture" ? India is so diverse and lot of North and North West Indians believe their culture is "The Indian culture".

3. Hinduism is the greatest religion and it is #1 but even that is so diverse.

4. Jai Hind Hindustan !!!

 

[big_gamer007]

Well, for those of us from the South, its more of a complex situation. We learn our Mother tongue and English for sure. Some of us (most actually ) do have atleast a basic ability to communicate in Hindi. Some cases we also learn the languages of the nearby state. When you are in a big city like Bangalore or Hyderabad , being able to talk your native language becomes a more defining aspect than anything else.. When you are in a nrthern city like Delhi / Kolkata / Chandigarh it is less of an issue because most people atmost will speak English /Hindi or languages very close to hindi (bengali,Punjabi).

Oh yea I understand why you guys from the south love language l.. But to me I never thought about it in the way I thought after reading some of the posts here.. Can call I took language for granted or whatever but I never thought of it being anything important..

 

[big_gamer007]

1. There is no uniqueness in Hindi, Urudu, Guju, Punjabi and etc. "Ek" = one, "Nam "= Name and etc. And therefore you don't see the value of your language and the culture is loosely the same(Punjab maybe different ?).

2. LOL WTH is an "Indian culture" ? India is so diverse and lot of North and North West Indians believe their culture is "The Indian culture".

3. Hinduism is the greatest religion and it is #1 but even that is so diverse.

4. Jai Hind Hindustan !!!

1. No it's not about uniqueness mate it's just that I never thought language is that big an issue..most of the places I have travelled to in the world speak English so I never missed Hindi and even in south hey speak broken English or Hindi so I could get by..

2. Indian culture like living with parents, close knit families, celebrating festivals without caring about environment or sick, spending extravagantly on marriages, misusing your power against the poor and helpless , the dresswear etc etc all of the above is probably true for all of India.. but yes India is too diverse to have 1 culture but different parts have common things..

3. I respect all religions.. Don't know which is greatest and which is not but it's upto an individual to practice their religion while using their mind to know what is right and what is stone world laws which they cannot implement now..

4. Jai Hind!!

 

[Adil_94]

for me its more ideas that matter rather than your background.

 

[JaDed]

Region ie Punjab more than anything less.
Even though I have lived in Punjab for only 2 yrs,being Punjabi is a very important part of my identity.
My language,culture,religion,tribe (hate the word caste,as Jats we were never a part of the caste system)is all intrinsically tied to Punjab.

Jatts,jats,jaats weren't part of any religion as well ,they chose them based on location and time.

 

[Rayyman]

I don't drink and do drugs. And I'm definitely not religious by PP standards. And I do know a truckload of people who smoke and drink, yet being very religious (not that I'm judging them. It's their life and their choice).

It's harder to avoid this stuff without religion. Religion gives you more reasons not to do them.

 

[street cricketer]

It's harder to avoid this stuff without religion. Religion gives you more reasons not to do them.

Is smoking prohibited in Islam?

 

[Rayyman]

Is smoking prohibited in Islam?

Yes, it is.

 

[Thivagar]

1. No it's not about uniqueness mate it's just that I never thought language is that big an issue..most of the places I have travelled to in the world speak English so I never missed Hindi and even in south hey speak broken English or Hindi so I could get by..

2. Indian culture like living with parents, close knit families, celebrating festivals without caring about environment or sick, spending extravagantly on marriages, misusing your power against the poor and helpless , the dresswear etc etc all of the above is probably true for all of India.. but yes India is too diverse to have 1 culture but different parts have common things..

3. I respect all religions.. Don't know which is greatest and which is not but it's upto an individual to practice their religion while using their mind to know what is right and what is stone world laws which they cannot implement now..

4. Jai Hind!!

1. No Comment.

2. That is the culture of the entire Eastern World from Africa to Vietnam. I'm talking about traditions, rituals,holidays, music, literature and so on.

3. Hinduism is obviously the best religion duh. We invented planes and teleportation duh.

 

[aloo paratha]

Religion & culture (they go together quite a bit)
Language
Country

Don't even know what a caste is.

 

[Pakistanian]

Yes, it is.

No, it's makhruh which isn't the same as haram

 

[Vorador]

None. What a ridiculous list.

 

[dhump]

Nothing my own free will.