What do Pakistanis think about Masood Azhar?

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Since Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi has admitted that Jaish-e-Mohammed chief Masood Azhar is in Pakistan, I was curious to know what Pakistani people think about Masood Azhar and the Jaish-e-Mohammed. Are they of the opinion that it is not a terrorist organization? Do they feel there is no reason for Masood Azhar to be tried in the Pakistani court of law and/or handed over to India? Are they okay with Masood Azhar staying in Pakistan?

 

[DRsohail]

Educated people does not like him and are agianst it I reckon.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Educated people does not like him and are agianst it I reckon.

Do people think it is a terrorist organization?

 

[Pakpak]

That he is a convenient bogeyman for India whenever Kashmiris rise up. He is almost under house arrest in Pakistan pretty much every year, for him to direct an insurgency in an area with almost 3/4 million Indian troops with thousands of intelligence operatives and past the most fortified border one earth; either he is a superman or India's military apparatus is garbage or the locals actually don't like you.

 

[DRsohail]

Do people think it is a terrorist organization?

I think so,But Educated with sound knowledge whetever you call but yea they think so.but you will find a soft corner for them as compared to taliban.

 

[DRsohail]

Do people think it is a terrorist organization?

But people do not think he is that powerful as India is thinking he is.

 

[Pakistanian]

nobody knows him

 

[Major]

Pakistanis dont know him.

But Hafiz SAeed is viewed as a freedom fighter here.

Infact, i remember when Hafiz Saeed was having a jalsa 3-4 years ago, buses full of his supporters were travelling and coming to ISB. Police was even escorting him

 

[DRsohail]

Pakistanis dont know him.

But Hafiz SAeed is viewed as a freedom fighter here.

Infact, i remember when Hafiz Saeed was having a jalsa 3-4 years ago, buses full of his supporters were travelling and coming to ISB. Police was even escorting him

Yes he is much more famous,and people also like him for his charity work.

 

[dhump]

Yes, he is a terrorist, and the Pakistani state should stop using him as a strategic asset that being said both countries should stop these proxy wars using such people and think about long term goals together.

I will not buy Indian argument that only Pakistan is involved in doing so and India always stay behind its border and never try to use people like BLA to create trouble and unrest in Pakistan. It is also quite clear that people like Altaf Hussain etc. surely got some connections in India although it is still not clarified up to what level.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yes, he is a terrorist, and the Pakistani state should stop using him as a strategic asset that being said both countries should stop these proxy wars using such people and think about long term goals together.

I will not buy Indian argument that only Pakistan is involved in doing so and India always stay behind its border and never try to use people like BLA to create trouble and unrest in Pakistan. It is also quite clear that people like Altaf Hussain etc. surely got some connections in India although it is still not clarified up to what level.

Probably all that needs to be said on this matter.

 

[Sachin136]

Shah Mahmood Qureshi admits Masood Azhar is in Pakistan

Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi has admitted that Jaish-e-Mohammed chief Masood Azhar is in Pakistan and is "unwell", but said the government can act against him only if India presents "solid" and "inalienable" evidence that can stand in a court of law.

Qureshi's remarks came amid heightened tensions between India and Pakistan after the February 14 terror attack by Pakistan-based Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) in Pulwama that left 40 CRPF personnel dead.

India has handed over a dossier to Pakistan with "specific details of the JeM complicity in Pulwama terror attack and the presence of JeM terror camps and its leadership in Pakistan."

India also expressed regret at the denial by Pakistan's political and military leadership at the presence of terrorist infrastructure in territories under its control.

"He is in Pakistan, according to my information. He is unwell to the extent that he can't leave his house, because he's really unwell," Qureshi told CNN when asked about Azhar.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...azhar-is-in-pakistan/articleshow/68214413.cms

 

[KingKhanWC]

When will India go and capture him?

 

[slipcatch]

He hasn't left Pakistan in a long long time.

Why is this a news?

 

[Mueez]

Okay if he is there in Pakistan, even then India doesn’t have the right to come into Pakistan.

But yeah, I expect them to “come” with their fighter jets, wanting to execute Azhar.

 

[Junaid_ahmed]

& we are not going to give this man to you. Now go and plan another sirtreekal strike.

 

[Technics 1210]

India on 27th: #WeWantMasoodAzhar
India on 28th: #PleaseBringBackAbhinandhan.

 

[Technics 1210]

Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi has admitted that Jaish-e-Mohammed chief Masood Azhar is in Pakistan and is "unwell", but said the government can act against him only if India presents "solid" and "inalienable" evidence that can stand in a court of law.

Qureshi's remarks came amid heightened tensions between India and Pakistan after the February 14 terror attack by Pakistan-based Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) in Pulwama that left 40 CRPF personnel dead.

India has handed over a dossier to Pakistan with "specific details of the JeM complicity in Pulwama terror attack and the presence of JeM terror camps and its leadership in Pakistan."

India also expressed regret at the denial by Pakistan's political and military leadership at the presence of terrorist infrastructure in territories under its control.

"He is in Pakistan, according to my information. He is unwell to the extent that he can't leave his house, because he's really unwell," Qureshi told CNN when asked about Azhar.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...azhar-is-in-pakistan/articleshow/68214413.cms

The dossier was presented after 14 days, 2 Indian jets down, 1 Indian pilot captured, and returned?

Why has it taken this long? Spell checking? Or perhaps a fabrication?

 

[slipcatch]

Yes, he is a terrorist, and the Pakistani state should stop using him as a strategic asset that being said both countries should stop these proxy wars using such people and think about long term goals together.

I will not buy Indian argument that only Pakistan is involved in doing so and India always stay behind its border and never try to use people like BLA to create trouble and unrest in Pakistan. It is also quite clear that people like Altaf Hussain etc. surely got some connections in India although it is still not clarified up to what level.

This.

majority of Pakistani says the same.

And this can be only resolve with dialogues.

 

[Majid Khan]

The point is this - the common man in Pakistan does not know and frankly speaking don’t care about this guy , but when you have India dictating terms and giving threats to Pakistan to hand this guy over OR ELSE... then it becomes irrelevant who this guy is , what is relevant to the common man is that Pakistan must stand up and demand that it is treated with respect and not give in to India’s demands.

If India got off the high horse and instead of showing arrogance, it actually took a different approach and asked Pakistan for their co-operation, assistance or help a bit more politely , they could get a more productive result.

But that’s expecting miracles to happen, just look at the thank you that Imran has got for his ‘peace’ gesture — they are instead hyping it as their victory on the Indian side and Pakistan’s surrender, if that’s the case then why not try getting back Kulbushan also?

 

[UmarMalik]

Hes as good to us as Adnan Sami is to India. Unwanted patriot.

 

[Sachin136]

The point is this - the common man in Pakistan does not know and frankly speaking don’t care about this guy , but when you have India dictating terms and giving threats to Pakistan to hand this guy over OR ELSE... then it becomes irrelevant who this guy is , what is relevant to the common man is that Pakistan must stand up and demand that it is treated with respect and not give in to India’s demands.

If India got off the high horse and instead of showing arrogance, it actually took a different approach and asked Pakistan for their co-operation, assistance or help a bit more politely , they could get a more productive result.

But that’s expecting miracles to happen, just look at the thank you that Imran has got for his ‘peace’ gesture — they are instead hyping it as their victory on the Indian side and Pakistan’s surrender, if that’s the case then why not try getting back Kulbushan also?

This is not some new incident. India has tried to communicate for years, but nothing came of it. The likes of Hafeez Saeed and Masood Azhar continued roaming freely in Pakistan. That's why India has to take a different approach.

 

[Bilal7]

This is not some new incident. India has tried to communicate for years, but nothing came of it. The likes of Hafeez Saeed and Masood Azhar continued roaming freely in Pakistan. That's why India has to take a different approach.

India should go back to their previous approach of whining and complaining because this different approach has resulted in dead soldiers, destroyed aircraft and captured pilots.

Present authentic evidence against Masood Azhar and he will be arrested. Continue to lie about the Pulwama attack being connected to Pakistan in any way and you'll be ignored.

 

[UmarMalik]

This is not some new incident. India has tried to communicate for years, but nothing came of it. The likes of Hafeez Saeed and Masood Azhar continued roaming freely in Pakistan. That's why India has to take a different approach.

The approach India is trying to take will only create 100 more Masood Azhars. I once read a famous quote that said, great minds discuss ideas and small minds discuss people. We need to figure out a way to stop producing new Masood Azhars.

 

[Sachin136]

India should go back to their previous approach of whining and complaining because this different approach has resulted in dead soldiers, destroyed aircraft and captured pilots.

Present authentic evidence against Masood Azhar and he will be arrested. Continue to lie about the Pulwama attack being connected to Pakistan in any way and you'll be ignored.

Sigh... JeM has claimed responsibility for the attack. Their leader lives in Pakistan. But the attack is not connected to Pakistan in any way?

 

[UmarMalik]

Sigh... JeM has claimed responsibility for the attack. Their leader lives in Pakistan. But the attack is not connected to Pakistan in any way?

Lets say we all decide to agree with the fact that Pakistan was indeed involved and Pakistan is denying it. But how does the approach of attacking Pakistan makes India a better place to live? How does the approach of attacking Jaish camps eliminate the threat that India will never be attacked anymore? Today its Jaish camp, tomorrow there will be a different camp. Dont you think we both need to work together to find out why these camps are being built to begin with? Dont you think India needs to take an approach of strengthening their defense a bit more? You dont put a fight on top of a fight if the bullys ideas are suicidal.

 

[Sachin136]

Lets say we all decide to agree with the fact that Pakistan was indeed involved and Pakistan is denying it. But how does the approach of attacking Pakistan makes India a better place to live? How does the approach of attacking Jaish camps eliminate the threat that India will never be attacked anymore? Today its Jaish camp, tomorrow there will be a different camp. Dont you think we both need to work together to find out why these camps are being built to begin with? Dont you think India needs to take an approach of strengthening their defense a bit more? You dont put a fight on top of a fight if the bullys ideas are suicidal.

India did not attack Pakistan (though Pakistan did try to retaliate by attacking the Indian military). It was a counterterrorism operation.

The rest of your post doesn't make sense. Are you asking how killing terrorists will decrease terrorism? There is no need to analyze terrorists or what their motive is.

 

[KingKhanWC]

India did not attack Pakistan (though Pakistan did try to retaliate by attacking the Indian military). It was a counterterrorism operation.

The rest of your post doesn't make sense. Are you asking how killing terrorists will decrease terrorism? There is no need to analyze terrorists or what their motive is.

Why dont you get it into your head Pakistani's see Indian soldiers who kill people in Kashmir terrorists? You dont own the planet narrative. If he has commited any crime in Pakistan the state will punish him. India is an enemy nation and has no right to demand anything from Pakistan. If you have the courage, go get him or dont keep begging.

 

[UmarMalik]

India did not attack Pakistan (though Pakistan did try to retaliate by attacking the Indian military). It was a counterterrorism operation.

The rest of your post doesn't make sense. Are you asking how killing terrorists will decrease terrorism? There is no need to analyze terrorists or what their motive is.

Okay, you killed the terrorists and attack wasnt towards Pakistan. While trying to kill terrorists, you created entire Pakistan as your enemy and you were well aware that this will happen when Imran Khan said we will not tolerate if India decides to do something in Pakistan. You killed “300” and gained more enemies than you killed. What now? Lets say your brave army completely eliminates Jaish on their own, would you not want to find out why they built hatred towards u in the first place? Dont you think it makes more sense for India and Pakistan to get together and figure out the reason for the hate in the first place?

 

[Sachin136]

Why dont you get it into your head Pakistani's see Indian soldiers who kill people in Kashmir terrorists? You dont own the planet narrative. If he has commited any crime in Pakistan the state will punish him. India is an enemy nation and has no right to demand anything from Pakistan. If you have the courage, go get him or dont keep begging.

It doesn't matter what they think. If someone bombs civilians or a police force, they're a terrorist. Not to mention that JeM has been responsible for civilian deaths in the past as well.

Okay, you killed the terrorists and attack wasnt towards Pakistan. While trying to kill terrorists, you created entire Pakistan as your enemy and you were well aware that this will happen when Imran Khan said we will not tolerate if India decides to do something in Pakistan. You killed “300” and gained more enemies than you killed. What now? Lets say your brave army completely eliminates Jaish on their own, would you not want to find out why they built hatred towards u in the first place? Dont you think it makes more sense for India and Pakistan to get together and figure out the reason for the hate in the first place?

Again, there's no need to analyze terrorists too much. There motive doesn't matter (which is probably some wacky religious ideaology).

I agree that India and Pakistan need to get together, but to eradicate them, not figure anything out.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It doesn't matter what they think. If someone bombs civilians or a police force, they're a terrorist. Not to mention that JeM has been responsible for civilian deaths in the past as well.



Again, there's no need to analyze terrorists too much. There motive doesn't matter (which is probably some wacky religious ideaology).

I agree that India and Pakistan need to get together, but to eradicate them, not figure anything out.

Your cowardly army is targetting civillians right now. Thanks for confirming they are terrorists.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It doesn't matter what they think. If someone bombs civilians or a police force, they're a terrorist.

If reports are true sounds like your army is shelling civilians in Azad Kashmir. How bad is it that terrorists are officially sanctioned by your govt?

 

[Technics 1210]

Sigh... JeM has claimed responsibility for the attack. Their leader lives in Pakistan. But the attack is not connected to Pakistan in any way?

I am surprised you fail to understand the power of publicity. It is well documented that terrorists groups make false claims on incidences for the purpose of awareness, popularity, and airwaves.

Think about it, JeB has made worldwide news, rightly or wrongly.

As it has been said, all publicity is good publicity.

 

[Sachin136]

Your cowardly army is targetting civillians right now. Thanks for confirming they are terrorists.

If reports are true sounds like your army is shelling civilians in Azad Kashmir. How bad is it that terrorists are officially sanctioned by your govt?

Seriously? I'm going to assume that you're just not arguing in good faith because I doubt anyone can be that naive. Otherwise, every military in history was a terrorist organization.

 

[cric_man]

Sigh... JeM has claimed responsibility for the attack. Their leader lives in Pakistan. But the attack is not connected to Pakistan in any way?

Other than a tweet from somebody claiming to be JeM?
That is like ISIS claiming responsibility for each traffic accident or murder in France.

Does India have proof that the local "Kashmiri" bomber crossed into Pakistan and got trained there?
Does India have intercepted communication b/w the the perpetrator and anybody in Pakistan?
Any financial proof that somehow the money used to buy or plan the mission originated in Pakistan?

Let me reiterate the known facts:

1) Bombing conducted by local Kashmiri boy.
2) RDX obtained from inside Indian held territory.

Other than 1 tweet from some tom/dick/hari ram, no proof provided before accusing Pakistan of being behind the attack.

You should ask the following questions:
How did a person able to obtain 300 kgs of RDX under the noses of 700,000 + military/paramilitary/RAW/IB agents.
How was he able to get close to a convoy of 2400 troops without being challenged?
Were the CPRF personnel killed majority Sikh & Dalits? ( I have heard rumors).

I would admit that during the mid 90s, Pak Army sent a lot of battle hardened fighters returning from Afghanistan into Kashmir to keep the indian army busy. Not anymore. This now is pure indigenous Kashmiri struggle which maybe supported morally. There is no evidence of mass infiltration or arms being sent over in the past 15 years. I hate to break it to you, I am afraid you will a lot more like Burhan Wani, Dar et al pop up in the future since the moderates that wanted to talk are all put in jail or house arrest. Kashmiris are shot at, raped , incarcerated in mass and tortured with impunity without any oversight.

On the other hand, we have a known , verified Indian agent kulbushan yadav found inside Pakistan traveling under false but government issued passport. He has acknowledged masterminding and overseeing major terrorist operations on Mekran coast including NAS Mehran in Karachi that destroyed 2 Navy Orions. Behram bagh Bugti spends more time in Delhi than Balochistan. And he doesn't cross through Wagah BTW.
So don't act like some innocent wronged person.

 

[UmarMalik]

It doesn't matter what they think. If someone bombs civilians or a police force, they're a terrorist. Not to mention that JeM has been responsible for civilian deaths in the past as well.



Again, there's no need to analyze terrorists too much. There motive doesn't matter (which is probably some wacky religious ideaology).

I agree that India and Pakistan need to get together, but to eradicate them, not figure anything out.

That is where I feel most public is wrong. Of course there is a need to analyze the terrorists because you want to know what ideology they’re adapting. If the ideology they have is the fact that Indian Soldiers are killing defenseless Kashmiris, then what makes you think the hatred/attacks against India will stop by eliminating one group? Remember my son, its not the group you eliminate, its about the idea and beliefs you must look to resolve. If someone I love has become a psychopath killer because he cant bare the pain you bring to his people, by eliminating him, how will you stop his loved ones from going through the same path? You’ll kill them too? Then this entire drama will never end. Im not saying one shouldnt be punished for his suicidal actions, but one must also look to put an end to his ideology.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Seriously? I'm going to assume that you're just not arguing in good faith because I doubt anyone can be that naive. Otherwise, every military in history was a terrorist organization.

Act thick if you like but not every military in the world deliberatley targets civilians. Pak release your pilot and in return your cowardlly army is targetting civilians on purpose because they are not man enough to take on real soldiers. This is 2019 and India knows it.

 

[Vegitto1]

He is Bhagat Singh of the Kashmiri people!

 

[Bilal7]

Sigh... JeM has claimed responsibility for the attack. Their leader lives in Pakistan. But the attack is not connected to Pakistan in any way?

ISIS claims responsibility for every shooting that happens in the Western world. Do you see any countries paying any attention to them? This is what terrorist organizations do. Since you believe JeM's word so much, did you know that they clearly said that the attack was carried out by a Kashmiri and had nothing to do with Pakistan?

Like I said, provide proof that it was planned in Pakistan or that militants in Pakistan provided that Kashmiri with weapons, bombs, etc or zip it.

 

[Slog]

Didn’t know about his existence till 2 weeks ago

 

[Lexical]

That is where I feel most public is wrong. Of course there is a need to analyze the terrorists because you want to know what ideology they’re adapting. If the ideology they have is the fact that Indian Soldiers are killing defenseless Kashmiris, then what makes you think the hatred/attacks against India will stop by eliminating one group? Remember my son, its not the group you eliminate, its about the idea and beliefs you must look to resolve. If someone I love has become a psychopath killer because he cant bare the pain you bring to his people, by eliminating him, how will you stop his loved ones from going through the same path? You’ll kill them too? Then this entire drama will never end. Im not saying one shouldnt be punished for his suicidal actions, but one must also look to put an end to his ideology.

Kashmiri terrorism existed a few years before Indian army's presence there and AFSPA.

 

[JaDed]

He is Bhagat Singh of the Kashmiri people!

Bhagat Singh refused to be freed and went on get hanged, this guy got released coz they hijacked a plane?

 

[Azzurri]

Bhagat Singh refused to be freed and went on get hanged, this guy got released coz they hijacked a plane?

He didn’t mean he’s a carbon copy of Bharat Singh

 

[Pete Rose]

Since Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi has admitted that Jaish-e-Mohammed chief Masood Azhar is in Pakistan, I was curious to know what Pakistani people think about Masood Azhar and the Jaish-e-Mohammed. Are they of the opinion that it is not a terrorist organization? Do they feel there is no reason for Masood Azhar to be tried in the Pakistani court of law and/or handed over to India? Are they okay with Masood Azhar staying in Pakistan?

I dont know who he is. that doesnt mean he is not guilty of what he is accuse of. whether he is actually guilty or even perceived to be guilty he should be muzzled by Pakistan because he is damaging Pakistan's economic and security sovereignty.

 

[MRSN]

The point is this - the common man in Pakistan does not know and frankly speaking don’t care about this guy , but when you have India dictating terms and giving threats to Pakistan to hand this guy over OR ELSE... then it becomes irrelevant who this guy is , what is relevant to the common man is that Pakistan must stand up and demand that it is treated with respect and not give in to India’s demands.

If India got off the high horse and instead of showing arrogance, it actually took a different approach and asked Pakistan for their co-operation, assistance or help a bit more politely , they could get a more productive result.

But that’s expecting miracles to happen, just look at the thank you that Imran has got for his ‘peace’ gesture — they are instead hyping it as their victory on the Indian side and Pakistan’s surrender, if that’s the case then why not try getting back Kulbushan also?

This.

I never knew about this guy before India demanding and accusing him recent bombing. This guy may have had power in the past but he is useless now. Pak army and ISI has total shift from that 89 policy. Indians needs to trust us and find real cause of Kashmir problems.

 

[MRSN]

To be honest with our Indian brothers, a lot of Kashmiris complain on why Pakistan doesn't support them like before. Yes, we raise their issue as a state but the old proxy war policy , training militants and sending them to Kashmir has long gone. This is why it's alarming for many Indians that this Kashmir freedom movement is well and truly alive despite Pakistan's stopping their old policies.

 

[big_gamer007]

Pakistani friends here are forgetting something or deliberately ignoring something.

The guy got a plane hijacked to be released. That itself is enough evidence to get him handed over back to india. If the relationship between India and Pakistan was friendly the guy would never have gone to Pakistan to live. He went there because he knew Pakistan won't hand him over..

As [MENTION=38994]dhump[/MENTION] said most important and sensible thing for both countries tries right now is to work together and get rid of all the terrorists .. Take each others help if needed and then slowly down the line build trust and friendship to have open borders and both countries will benefit.

 

[Zhasan]

There is more evidence of Modi directly responsible for killing a lot more innocent people than him. Was also not banned from entering EU and US.

 

[big_gamer007]

This.

I never knew about this guy before India demanding and accusing him recent bombing. This guy may have had power in the past but he is useless now. Pak army and ISI has total shift from that 89 policy. Indians needs to trust us and find real cause of Kashmir problems.

If he is useless wouldn't it help Pakistan to hand him.ovwr along with Hafiz Saeed and let Indian courts punish them for their crimes in India?
I know the politics and political scenario makes it impossible but let's assume on both sides there are sensible governments who only wants peace will you and majority of Pakistani people support handing these guys over?

 

[rhony]

Pakistanis dont know him.

But Hafiz SAeed is viewed as a freedom fighter here.

Infact, i remember when Hafiz Saeed was having a jalsa 3-4 years ago, buses full of his supporters were travelling and coming to ISB. Police was even escorting him

Is Hafiz Saeed a Kashmiri?

 

[MRSN]

If he is useless wouldn't it help Pakistan to hand him.ovwr along with Hafiz Saeed and let Indian courts punish them for their crimes in India?
I know the politics and political scenario makes it impossible but let's assume on both sides there are sensible governments who only wants peace will you and majority of Pakistani people support handing these guys over?

If we are going to follow that policy then India and Pakistan will have to exchange a lot of people. What matters is what's happening in the present times and we know these people had become non entity for last 10 years. They have no powers and Pak's intelligence agencies closely follow them. In fact they spend most of their live under house arrest. You guys have been mislead by your media if you think they are busy like Talibans training people and sending them to Kashmir or India.

 

[MRSN]

Pakistani friends here are forgetting something or deliberately ignoring something.

The guy got a plane hijacked to be released. That itself is enough evidence to get him handed over back to india. If the relationship between India and Pakistan was friendly the guy would never have gone to Pakistan to live. He went there because he knew Pakistan won't hand him over..

As [MENTION=38994]dhump[/MENTION] said most important and sensible thing for both countries tries right now is to work together and get rid of all the terrorists .. Take each others help if needed and then slowly down the line build trust and friendship to have open borders and both countries will benefit.

Pakistan army and ISI have done a lot of good work in the past 10 years to destroy all terrorists networks. They DID go out of control for some time but Pak army took care of them and now Pakistan is very much stable.

You tell me why did we lose 70k+ lives?? It was when our army and agencies started cracking down on terrorists organizations. We have paid a big price as a nation as we have seen blasts and bombing on routine basis for 10 years. Indians need to trust that this is a changed Pakistan and they need to desperately resolve Kashmir issue as it has survived and well alive without Pak support.

The thing is extremism in India are in power right now so it's difficult to have a dialogue when you get votes for being anti Pakistan. Indians need to get rid of people who use religion card to remain in power only then we can have better relationships.

 

[Zhasan]

Pakistani friends here are forgetting something or deliberately ignoring something.

The guy got a plane hijacked to be released. That itself is enough evidence to get him handed over back to india. If the relationship between India and Pakistan was friendly the guy would never have gone to Pakistan to live. He went there because he knew Pakistan won't hand him over..

As [MENTION=38994]dhump[/MENTION] said most important and sensible thing for both countries tries right now is to work together and get rid of all the terrorists .. Take each others help if needed and then slowly down the line build trust and friendship to have open borders and both countries will benefit.

He ordered hijacking while in Indian custody???

 

[MRSN]

Pakistani friends here are forgetting something or deliberately ignoring something.

The guy got a plane hijacked to be released. That itself is enough evidence to get him handed over back to india. If the relationship between India and Pakistan was friendly the guy would never have gone to Pakistan to live. He went there because he knew Pakistan won't hand him over..

As [MENTION=38994]dhump[/MENTION] said most important and sensible thing for both countries tries right now is to work together and get rid of all the terrorists .. Take each others help if needed and then slowly down the line build trust and friendship to have open borders and both countries will benefit.

Would you hand over people that trained militants in East Pakistan? As I said if we dig in past then there is nothing good to look for for both countries.

 

[big_gamer007]

If we are going to follow that policy then India and Pakistan will have to exchange a lot of people. What matters is what's happening in the present times and we know these people had become non entity for last 10 years. They have no powers and Pak's intelligence agencies closely follow them. In fact they spend most of their live under house arrest. You guys have been mislead by your media if you think they are busy like Talibans training people and sending them to Kashmir or India.

He ordered hijacking while in Indian custody???

Would you hand over people that trained militants in East Pakistan? As I said if we dig in past then there is nothing good to look for for both countries.

If it were upto me and there are trained terrorists in India and Pakistan requests to hand them over for trial I will definitely hand them over. Even if they are irrelevant today or are 90 years old. Anyone who was involved in terrorism anytime in their lives need to be shown no mercy and has to be tried. So if there are any in India feel free to take them away and try them for terrorism.

I am not undermining the work done my Pakistani army to fight against terrorism nor am I in any way saying you guys have not lost a lot.

I am saying simply that if we hand over people whom the other country has charges against so they can put these guys on trial and punish for their crimes. It will benefit both countries. These guys are not doing anyone any help so why not give them over and let them pay for their crimes?
[MENTION=149123]Zhasan[/MENTION] he was in Indian custody and his group hijacked to get him released. He may not have planned the hijacking but everyone knows it was done for his release. It's common sense and logic that if India and Pakistan were friends and Pakistan found out he is hiding in their country they will hand him over. The dude was released because of terrorist attack what more proof does anyone need for his involvement in terrorism.

At the end of the day these people are not helping anyone.. Sub continent has the potential to become a massive powerhouse but our leaders have been incompetent. If they all decided to work together our future generations will have such a better life. But alas everyone is busy blaming each other while hiding their own incompetencies.

 

[big_gamer007]

@MSRN even if there are 1 million people who needs to be exchanged for crimes done in other countries do it. These punks are useless criminals and no use of not handing them over. Let them die so the rest of us can live in peace and actually fight for a better standard of living which is the basic need of any human being which we are been deprived off.

 

[Kashmirilion]

We don't care about him but what do Indians think about the terrorist leading their country???

 

[JaDed]

He didn’t mean he’s a carbon copy of Bharat Singh

The very reason Bhagat Singh is most famous is coz the way it ended.

 

[Last Monetarist]

I sympathize with India's position in this stand-off. The statement by Qureshi was downright embarrassing.

 

[Syed1]

If India has provided credible info to Khan I'm sure he will have it investigated, but if it is typical he said she said fairy tale then it will already be at the bottom of a dustbin.

 

[Romali_rotti]

If India has provided credible info to Khan I'm sure he will have it investigated, but if it is typical he said she said fairy tale then it will already be at the bottom of a dustbin.

No he wouldn't, Imran alone has no power to act, if he could, he would turn Pakistan into a major player in a decade or so for all the right reasons...

 

[Syed1]

No he wouldn't, Imran alone has no power to act, if he could, he would turn Pakistan into a major player in a decade or so for all the right reasons...

I think the events of the last week or so have made it very evident that Imran is the man in control and not some puppet with strings being pulled.

 

[Romali_rotti]

I think the events of the last week or so have made it very evident that Imran is the man in control and not some puppet with strings being pulled.

The release was done with the approval of ISI as well....

 

[sshakir411]

The release was done with the approval of ISI as well....

That should debunk the Indian theory of Pakistan military being obsessed with India. This whole episode has proved that India wants to derail the good things happening in Pakistan under Imran.

 

[Romali_rotti]

That should debunk the Indian theory of Pakistan military being obsessed with India. This whole episode has proved that India wants to derail the good things happening in Pakistan under Imran.

Whilst the release of Abhinandan is appreciated by all Indians. However had the release not been done, it would have escalated into all out war, Indian Navy, Airforce & Army were mobilising with rumours of Prime Minister Modi giving all 3 Defense commanders the all clear to do whatever they wanted would have been horrific for Pakistan's survival. Even if a few Pakistani Nukes did fall on India, India would survive but Pakistan wouldn't... It was a no brianer decision for the survival of Pakistan the release of the Indian pilot..... What a crying shame that would have been for a nobody like Masood Ahzar had it came to a war....

 

[Kashmirilion]

Whilst the release of Abhinandan is appreciated by all Indians. However had the release not been done, it would have escalated into all out war, Indian Navy, Airforce & Army were mobilising with rumours of Prime Minister Modi giving all 3 Defense commanders the all clear to do whatever they wanted would have been horrific for Pakistan's survival. Even if a few Pakistani Nukes did fall on India, India would survive but Pakistan wouldn't... It was a no brianer decision for the survival of Pakistan the release of the Indian pilot..... What a crying shame that would have been for a nobody like Masood Ahzar had it came to a war....

And after all that you woke up and realised is was nothing but a dream

 

[Last Monetarist]

Whilst the release of Abhinandan is appreciated by all Indians. However had the release not been done, it would have escalated into all out war, Indian Navy, Airforce & Army were mobilising with rumours of Prime Minister Modi giving all 3 Defense commanders the all clear to do whatever they wanted would have been horrific for Pakistan's survival. Even if a few Pakistani Nukes did fall on India, India would survive but Pakistan wouldn't... It was a no brianer decision for the survival of Pakistan the release of the Indian pilot..... What a crying shame that would have been for a nobody like Masood Ahzar had it came to a war....

Tone down the rhetoric please, no one will survive nuclear oblivion except cockroaches.

I feel it's pathetic for Pakistan to harbour filth like Masood Azhar, and I completely understand Indian anger and resentment. However, no one should be glorifying the case for war, let alone for the likes of Azhar.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Tone down the rhetoric please, no one will survive nuclear oblivion except cockroaches.

I feel it's pathetic for Pakistan to harbour filth like Masood Azhar, and I completely understand Indian anger and resentment. However, no one should be glorifying the case for war, let alone for the likes of Azhar.

I am not glorying the case of war, I did not want war, I was praying for all the escalations to stop. However what I typed was a very likely scenario..... Hopefully there will not be any further escalations....

 

[AZulfi]

Whilst the release of Abhinandan is appreciated by all Indians. However had the release not been done, it would have escalated into all out war, Indian Navy, Airforce & Army were mobilising with rumours of Prime Minister Modi giving all 3 Defense commanders the all clear to do whatever they wanted would have been horrific for Pakistan's survival. Even if a few Pakistani Nukes did fall on India, India would survive but Pakistan wouldn't... It was a no brianer decision for the survival of Pakistan the release of the Indian pilot..... What a crying shame that would have been for a nobody like Masood Ahzar had it came to a war....

Pakistan would have released Abhinandan as per Geneva convention - we are not India who would have most likely killed our captured soldier or pilot or completely lied about his presence. We have more humanity than you guys. In return you gave us the dead body of a poor prisoner who was brutally bricked to death by prison inmates, who sadly happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time..

However there was no compulsion or pressure on Pakistan to release him before a ceasefire had been declared by both or Modi's janoon had ceased. There are still skirmishes going on near LOC. Learn to appreciate a good thing.

And stop living in your bubble. Pakistan will give you a memorable response if you have not learned your lesson already. We have seen the calibre of your pilots and your fake media that only propagates false propaganda and false narratives and tells blatant lies to its gullible overemotional awam. In their blind hatred they even tried to show wreckage from the downed Mig 21 as if was that of a downed F-16! The fact is no F-16s were deployed in Pak response. The two Indian Migs were downed by a JF 17 Thunder jet. But as they say jhoot k paon nahin hote, slowly but surely truth is emerging from your side now. Abhijeet spilled the beans on one of your talk shows.

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[AZulfi]

Give Kashmiris the right for self determination. Stop mistreating their women and children. Stop using pellet guns against unarmed civilians. Then there would be no need for people like Azhar

 

[MRSN]

Whilst the release of Abhinandan is appreciated by all Indians. However had the release not been done, it would have escalated into all out war, Indian Navy, Airforce & Army were mobilising with rumours of Prime Minister Modi giving all 3 Defense commanders the all clear to do whatever they wanted would have been horrific for Pakistan's survival. Even if a few Pakistani Nukes did fall on India, India would survive but Pakistan wouldn't... It was a no brianer decision for the survival of Pakistan the release of the Indian pilot..... What a crying shame that would have been for a nobody like Masood Ahzar had it came to a war....

Pakistan has 150 warheads. Even 50 will be enough to cause all sorts of problems in India or even whole region.

 

[MRSN]

Pakistan would have released Abhinandan as per Geneva convention - we are not India who would have most likely killed our captured soldier or pilot or completely lied about his presence. We have more humanity than you guys. In return you gave us the dead body of a poor prisoner who was brutally bricked to death by prison inmates, who sadly happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time..

However there was no compulsion or pressure on Pakistan to release him before a ceasefire had been declared by both or Modi's janoon had ceased. There are still skirmishes going on near LOC. Learn to appreciate a good thing.

And stop living in your bubble. Pakistan will give you a memorable response if you have not learned your lesson already. We have seen the calibre of your pilots and your fake media that only propagates false propaganda and false narratives and tells blatant lies to its gullible overemotional awam. In their blind hatred they even tried to show wreckage from the downed Mig 21 as if was that of a downed F-16! The fact is no F-16s were deployed in Pak response. The two Indian Migs were downed by a JF 17 Thunder jet. But as they say jhoot k paon nahin hote, slowly but surely truth is emerging from your side now. Abhijeet spilled the beans on one of your talk shows.

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This guy lives in Australia so I doubt he cares how much destruction India will face if Pakistan uses nukes.

For him it's okay for billions of people to disappear from the face of the earth to pleas his ego of wiping out all Pakistanis. Pathetic thinking. But then again this guy doesn't even live in India so who cares if billions of Indians face effects of nukes.

 

[Greenstorm]

No he wouldn't, Imran alone has no power to act, if he could, he would turn Pakistan into a major player in a decade or so for all the right reasons...

He will inshAllah. Imran is not the type of person who will become anyone's puppet, he has struggled for decades to get here. Military respects him and more importantly has trust on him, that is the reason behind Pakistan's smooth and professional response post Pulwama. Now compare this with Pakistan's response after Mumbai, our traitorous rulers were even ready to send ISI chief to India .

 

[Romali_rotti]

Now compare this with Pakistan's response after Mumbai, our traitorous rulers were even ready to send ISI chief to India .

I don't think ISI was sent after Mumbai, it was Pathankot......

 

[Jin Chacha]

Whilst the release of Abhinandan is appreciated by all Indians. However had the release not been done, it would have escalated into all out war, Indian Navy, Airforce & Army were mobilising with rumours of Prime Minister Modi giving all 3 Defense commanders the all clear to do whatever they wanted would have been horrific for Pakistan's survival. Even if a few Pakistani Nukes did fall on India, India would survive but Pakistan wouldn't... It was a no brianer decision for the survival of Pakistan the release of the Indian pilot..... What a crying shame that would have been for a nobody like Masood Ahzar had it came to a war....

Are you saying that India would have launched a full scale conventional and/or nuclear attack for the sake of one POW?

 

[MosheD]

Can the Pakistan based PPers shed light on news regarding Masood Azhar being dead ? - twitter is alight with this now. And thats such a coincidence ...

 

[AZulfi]

Totally, I agree, Pakistan would wipe out India... I am with you bro....

War hysteria has been created by your so-called leaders, childish fake media & gullible public and not by us

We reserve the right to respond if you misbehave again..

 

[Iqbal'sh]

He will inshAllah. Imran is not the type of person who will become anyone's puppet, he has struggled for decades to get here. Military respects him and more importantly has trust on him, that is the reason behind Pakistan's smooth and professional response post Pulwama. Now compare this with Pakistan's response after Mumbai, our traitorous rulers were even ready to send ISI chief to India .

Totally agree, Imran Khan is his own man - he’s not going to be a puppet for anyone. That’s why he refused the overtures of Musharraf and instead built his own political party.
I was watching NDTV and listened to ex chief of RAW, AS Dulat, who concluded the same about Imran. He went further to say this government has the full support of the military, and both are on the same page. As shown in the handling of the Abhinandhan incident.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Regards this thread, Azhar is not someone that Pakistan particularly cares about.
If India want action taken against him or JeM than supply evidence that can be used in a court of law.
What India hands over to Pakistan in the form of a dossier is never made public. All we see is the hysterical overreaction of the Indian media.

 

[a_tahir]

Can the Pakistan based PPers shed light on news regarding Masood Azhar being dead ? - twitter is alight with this now. And thats such a coincidence ...

From killing his brother to killing the man himself. ROFL.

Who even trusts indian media???