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Again a close finish but failed to win. Is it a mental or skill problem? TBH I feel bad for them, I was hoping they would win today to break jinx.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Again a close finish but failed to win. Is it a mental or skill problem? TBH I feel bad for them, I was hoping they would win today to break jinx.
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Asia cup is NO icc tournament. They never reached finals of an icc event. I think did lost 3 asia cup finals. Guess when you never win something its hard to cross the line.
 
Mahn! This was best chance even more than the 2012 one
After the start should easily have got 250
Blame should be taken by batsmen here they have lost BD a Cup
 
Instead of practising nagin dance just concentrate in cricket
 
ICC tournament? I guess its organized by ACC.

Any international tournament (WC, CT, WT20) is still very far from the reach of Bangla
 
It all comes down to how many weak links you have?

Teams like Afghanitsna and Bangladesh who are rising nations might have some terrific world class players that will put them right on top with their skills but what about the below average skill level players that these teams have more in abundance than the more settled cricket nations? Hiding them in the big matches becomes the biggest problem which is why pressure games remain a problem.
 
its mostly in the head. a mental block. when you aren't used to winning trophies, it seems almost insurmountable.

and honestly this match was never there to win for BD. you can't defend 220 against India.
 
To be honest India made a mess of a simple chase thanks to past by sell date players in the middle order. Any proper young team woudl have won the game in 30 overs.
 
Their seniors need to grow a set of balls on the big stag.

If Shakib and Tamim was playing it wouldn't have been this close. India would have won a while ago
 
Be a better team. Despite the close finish, it was India's game to lose from ball one.

Yes Bangladesh will run top sides close every now and then, but that's not enough. Both their bowling and batting need an immense improvement.
 
Bangladesh is vastly improved team and not sure, why many still underestimate them. I was expecting a tough match today, but it exceeded even my expectations. Well played by Bangladesh ! Mashrafe commands respect and leads by example, the only player from Bangladesh who I find annoying is Mushfiqur Rahim.

We were very lucky to get away today. Actually, seeing our middle order with an aging and out of form Dhoni, I'm not very sure of our chances in the world cup. Only an outstanding form of Virat and the openers can save and make us contenders in the World cup.
 
Be less arrogant on and off the field. Same goes for the supporters.

Try to find a formula to stay calm and don’t take that much pressure in the finals.
 
They are a much improved team but they aren't good enough to win a tournament yet. They should first concentrate on getting to the semis and trying to win pressure games . But they have made a lot of improvement. Credit to Bangldesh cricket board.
 
BDfanforever said:
Simple. One of the umpire call need to go in favor of BD in crucial moment.
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we need to stop with this victim mentality. can't blame umpires or anyone today. it was our middle order collapse that wasted a very good opening stand.

better team won at the end. it hurts to witness another close game but I would rather compete than crash out easily.
 
hamid.s said:
we need to stop with this victim mentality. can't blame umpires or anyone today. it was our middle order collapse that wasted a very good opening stand.

better team won at the end. it hurts to witness another close game but I would rather compete than crash out easily.
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Well said :salute
 
jnaveen1980 said:
To be honest India made a mess of a simple chase thanks to past by sell date players in the middle order. Any proper young team woudl have won the game in 30 overs.
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Batting was poor but it wasn't that easy at night. Of course they should have finished the game 7-8 overs earlier.
 
They seem to be developing a mental block against India. Even the BD crowd didn't look confident in the final over with Jadhav being a totally useless drama queen.
 
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pakistani pride said:
LOL this team is much better. We had a terrible tournament but this team is better vs the 2012 one. Way better.
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Not at all, that team had the services of a Prime Gul, a Prime Pre-15 degree Ajmal, Hafeez and an in-form Afridi. That team was much better than the current one
 
I think, we need to have a measure of our own strength.

I feel boys are still not sure exactly what is their capacity & what is their opponents' capability. Today, only thing that went wrong was we were trying to post 300 after that start, when the target should have been to play out 50 overs first, and may be blast in last 5-6 overs. At the end, we ended innings 9-10 balls earlier and almost noting from last 2 - 3 overs. I feel our boys like everyone underestimate our bowling and always end up trying to over stress with bat. In this tournament, in 2 other vital games as well, we were all-out before 50 overs, which is the first blunder in LO cricket.
 
MMHS said:
I think, we need to have a measure of our own strength.

I feel boys are still not sure exactly what is their capacity & what is their opponents' capability. Today, only thing that went wrong was we were trying to post 300 after that start, when the target should have been to play out 50 overs first, and may be blast in last 5-6 overs. At the end, we ended innings 9-10 balls earlier and almost noting from last 2 - 3 overs. I feel our boys like everyone underestimate our bowling and always end up trying to over stress with bat. In this tournament, in 2 other vital games as well, we were all-out before 50 overs, which is the first blunder in LO cricket.
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Fear of Indian openers made you guys play like that.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
It all comes down to how many weak links you have?

Teams like Afghanitsna and Bangladesh who are rising nations might have some terrific world class players that will put them right on top with their skills but what about the below average skill level players that these teams have more in abundance than the more settled cricket nations? Hiding them in the big matches becomes the biggest problem which is why pressure games remain a problem.
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This.

And mental strength imho.
 
Asia Cup is the only tournament in which they have any realistic chance of winning and they fail in even doing that. Tigers :srt
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Fear of Indian openers made you guys play like that.
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That's the biggest mistake in cricket, as Richie Benaud will say - "Cricket is a game of a particular day - never play considering your opponents, play considering the situation". From like 120-0 in 23 overs, first thing you should try to cash on the great start to consolidate, even sacrificing RR, something Babar did in CL Final. 1-2 wickets I can understand, but the game was lost with Mushi - he was in golden touch in this tournament, guy revived situation twice from 12/3 & 3/3 - today tried to blast to reach 330 from 134/2 with 25+ overs left.
 
I'll be surprised if BD win the Asia cup in the next decade. I can see Afg and Pak as potential winners but not BD. BD team has its days but they rarely, if ever are motivated enough to win.
 
MMHS said:
I think, we need to have a measure of our own strength.

I feel boys are still not sure exactly what is their capacity & what is their opponents' capability. Today, only thing that went wrong was we were trying to post 300 after that start, when the target should have been to play out 50 overs first, and may be blast in last 5-6 overs. At the end, we ended innings 9-10 balls earlier and almost noting from last 2 - 3 overs. I feel our boys like everyone underestimate our bowling and always end up trying to over stress with bat. In this tournament, in 2 other vital games as well, we were all-out before 50 overs, which is the first blunder in LO cricket.
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Captain is leading the way in this regard. When seniors like Mortaza and Mahamudullah can not realize the importance of playing out 50 overs , what else can we expect from the young players. Cant believe we have made the exact same mistake in two back to back games.
 
fitCricFan said:
I'll be surprised if BD win the Asia cup in the next decade. I can see Afg and Pak as potential winners but not BD. BD team has its days but they rarely, if ever are motivated enough to win.
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Thank the umpires and BCCI that u did not get the hammering of ur lifetime today.
 
RainMan_ said:
Thank the umpires and BCCI that u did not get the hammering of ur lifetime today.
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Don't open your eyes, maybe you will win in your Dream. The BD team just knows how to loose from a winning situation. I can see Afg lift the Asia cup before BD does so you might can start planning on those excuses now
 
fitCricFan said:
Don't open your eyes, maybe you will win in your Dream. The BD team just knows how to loose from a winning situation. I can see Afg lift the Asia cup before BD does so you might can start planning on those excuses now
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Afg have won an Asia Cup at u-19 level,BD yet to win one there :ashwin
 
RainMan_ said:
Thank the umpires and BCCI that u did not get the hammering of ur lifetime today.
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Dont be a sore loser now. He was clearly out as the line belongs to the umpire. Also these 19-20 decisions goes against all teams. A clear six was not given for India in the last game which caused the tied game. Crying, whinning and moaning is becoming a trait of Bangla fans. I know you are burning inside with yet another last ball loss but your lot is a bunny of India :))
 
MMHS said:
That's the biggest mistake in cricket, as Richie Benaud will say - "Cricket is a game of a particular day - never play considering your opponents, play considering the situation". From like 120-0 in 23 overs, first thing you should try to cash on the great start to consolidate, even sacrificing RR, something Babar did in CL Final. 1-2 wickets I can understand, but the game was lost with Mushi - he was in golden touch in this tournament, guy revived situation twice from 12/3 & 3/3 - today tried to blast to reach 330 from 134/2 with 25+ overs left.
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welldine guys played well. Happy for Bangladesh, I wish they win today but we’ll played at he end. 250 on this pitch against fizz and co was never easy.
 
RainMan_ said:
Thank the umpires and BCCI that u did not get the hammering of ur lifetime today.
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What about Nidhas trophy? The problem is you assume that Openers would had played that way had you got 250 if anything 220 ish is a tricky target.
 
Savak said:
Not at all, that team had the services of a Prime Gul, a Prime Pre-15 degree Ajmal, Hafeez and an in-form Afridi. That team was much better than the current one
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At that time aizaz cheema was spearhead and bowling the last over and there were not many young bowlers on the bench.

This team is a lot better than that, CT 17 was just one example. Lacks experience but in an year or so this team will be a pretty good one. When 11-12 players of your squad are yet to play 50 matches then there is an evident vacuum of experience and that will only come with time.
 
So according to Bangla fans, Rod Tucker and other umpires all conspiring against Bangladesh. Conspiring against a team that just got whitewashed by Afg :))

Shambolic fans
 
Makes this victory even sweeter...I think Indian team always does that to Bangla..tempt them into thinking of a win only to snatch it away ...
 
Do exactly what they've been doing in the bowling department, and in batting rotate the strike more often and give yourself the most runs you can to play with.
 
Perhaps BD can seek ICC approval for a BD Only club tournament, that way BD is guaranteed to win.

Honestly, BD deserves a thrashing in every match so that there is no excuse for their loss. Even then their fans will find fault with something, maybe the venue, pitch, toss, you name it.

They are never gracious in their loss
 
They have their best squad in cricketing history, surely a winning mentality and somehow get over the Indian Jinx that has let them down for so long
 
On a serious note, they honestly aren't good enough yet, they can only win an Asia Cup as of now. Their best bet with the current team is if the world cup is played in Asia, and all the other teams are out of form.
 
Could be a mental block.

We did not win against Pakistan in ODIs for a long time after 99, despite coming close. But once we did, few more victories came.

Surprised that we even reached finals this time.

No Tamim. No top order to speak of. No Shakib.

India still light years ahead of us when it comes to absorbing pressure and turning up for finals. Hats off.
 
really losing patience with some posters here. Post sensibly or be ready to leave
 
Need to recruit a full time psychologist for the players very soon before wc and work on their mental blocks and clear those
 
Wrote in another thread - think like winners and not be content with a naagin dance or premature celebrations which Rahim is a master at. Those reactions give a false sense of belief.

Once you have won a couple of tournaments, then such antics are absolutely fine. Till then, be more respectful to opposition, focus on your strengths and do not jump the gun till last run has been scored/wicket taken.
 
When BD got that great start, I was 100% sure that they'll bottle it in the middle and not post the expected score.

And they did exactly just that.

Their middle order had guys like Soumya and even he failed. This is where minnow mentality - choking, bottling comes in.

After that start their batsmen instead of getting pumped and motivated started getting anxiety. You get that anxiety when you're too excited and lose your concentration, mental calmness.

Cannot say when they'll overcome it. They need to learn how to build an innings. Do not get overexcited when you get a great start. Focus on basics and just get singles, doubles, tire the opposition fielders, bowlers.

In a nutshell, learn to construct innings. That's where associates, low ranked teams lose it. When Hong Kong got that great start against IND, they did the same thing like BAN did.
 
They play good Cricket especially as a unit, but too many average players in their team. Until they find some good players to complement their core group, nothing is going to change for them. Best teams don't just depend on 3-4 players.
 
Even though Mashrafe was really good with his captaincy, in parts this match was lost due to bas captaincy.

Unnecessarily pushing Mehdi to open the batting and keeping Riad to bowl the last over is where BD lost the match.
 
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