What have Bangladesh achieved in the 2019 World Cup?

[sweep_shot]

Well no, it makes perfect sense now as well. The table you mentioned is nothing to be proud of.

In tests, BD is ranked 2nd last and in the ODI's BD is still below Pak & SA. WI's have regressed as well so no credit to BD for being ranked above them

We are discussing ODI here. You can't pick and choose.

Also, most BD fans don't give a rat's a** about Test. BD barely plays any Test, to be honest.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Bangladesh ends at 8 position out of 10 teams. This is their 6th World Cup.

 

[Roaring40s]

Due to shortage of genuine match winners(The have only Shakib), Bangladesh needs a few chips to fall in their favor to do well in such a big tournament. While both Pakistan and New Zealand have over-achieved here due to conditions being suitable for them. In 2023, BD bowling will work better due to spinners dominating (probably) next WC. Then only they will be serious contenders for a SF spot.

 

[fitCricFan]

We are discussing ODI here. You can't pick and choose.

Also, most BD fans don't give a rat's a** about Test. BD barely plays any Test, to be honest.

Well the poster referenced all 3 formats in his stats link so mentioning tests is fair. The ODI record is also far from stellar, not sure why it had to referenced either

 

[sweep_shot]

Well the poster referenced all 3 formats in his stats link so mentioning tests is fair. The ODI record is also far from stellar, not sure why it had to referenced either

Unless you are an illiterate guy, you can clearly see this thread is about ODI performance. That link has ODI ranking, so I mentioned it. Anyway. It seems like it will be waste of my time to engage with you further.

 

[sweep_shot]

Due to shortage of genuine match winners(The have only Shakib), Bangladesh needs a few chips to fall in their favor to do well in such a big tournament. While both Pakistan and New Zealand have over-achieved here due to conditions being suitable for them. In 2023, BD bowling will work better due to spinners dominating (probably) next WC. Then only they will be serious contenders for a SF spot.

You are right, my friend. Indian pitches should suit us better. Our bowlers are never suitable for pitches in England, Australia, NZ, and South Africa.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Everyone was predicting BD and Afghanistan will end up higher than Pakistan.In ICC competitions Pakistan raise their game.This time Pakistan made mistakes in team selection.Hafeez and Malik should never have been selected.The management also made mistakes in team combination.Overall Pakistan have done better than expected.Need to move on and learn from the mistakes.

 

[Saj]

I enjoyed watching them.

Their biggest problem is their bowling - they need a couple of good pacers who can get early wickets.

 

[Hyperion66]

Gotta feel for Shakib, over 600 runs and 11 wks, unreal stuff. Ridiculous how so far ahead he is of his team mates in terms skills and ability, only if he had a bit of support BD would already be in the semis. Champion player stuck in a mediocre team.

 

[light]

Hearts ... and showcase their premier cricket player (Shakib). That's about it.
I can see BD in SL's shoe come next WC with their senior players almost at the age of retirement

 

[saeed5646]

Due to shortage of genuine match winners(The have only Shakib), Bangladesh needs a few chips to fall in their favor to do well in such a big tournament. While both Pakistan and New Zealand have over-achieved here due to conditions being suitable for them. In 2023, BD bowling will work better due to spinners dominating (probably) next WC. Then only they will be serious contenders for a SF spot.

seriously?

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

The BD performance in this WC may not have been top drawer, but these results hide an important attitude shift I can see in opposition (non BD teams).

Which is the realisation that you have to bring your A game against this BD team, or you likely will lose. I recall all the earlier platitudes opposing sides used to trot out when playing BD(which they do against AFG these days). For example stuff like, "We take all games seriously" "On their day they can beat anyone" yada yada. Not any more.

I can tell as a fan I still expect my team (India) to beat BD, but it's not as blase an assumption as before. It's like having casually out-boxed some neighbourhood kid all these years, and now he's grown up a bit and he'll really hurt you if you're not looking.

There are a lot of positives for BD. I myself often overlook that BD players tend to be blooded early (I think it's because of their poor FC system, selectors would fast track talent), so for the longest time this was a very young and immature team. Not any more. Tamin/ Shakib/ Mushy are between 30 and 32 and they've been together for years, They should be around for 4-5 few years. In Liton and Soumya they've got some batting potential. While developing pacers tends to be hit and miss for any team, they've got a reasonably sound base of young fast(er) bowlers to develop (Fizz, Saifuddin etc). And they keep developing SLAs, so that's good to have. With Tamin/ Shakib/ Mushy at the core for a few years, Fizz coming nicely along, I see potential for BD to keep going up the ODI curve. It'll be hard work of course.

It'll be much harder for BD to replicate whatever ODI advances they have made in Tests. But in the 50 over format of the game at least they seem to have made a significant transition. Earlier their fans wanted a "sommanjanak haar" when playing top tier teams. Today that's changed so much, that a few BD fans (deluded as some tend to be, from all nations I may add) expect their team to win these games every time. As silly as that may sound, no oppo takes them lightly any more- as I said, top tier teams that don't bring their A game to a BD match will likely lose.

 

[Mercurial]

Bangladesh made a blunder by dropping Taskin Ahmed. Taskin Ahmed and Mustafiz ur Rehman combo would have made a lot of difference.

 

[Mainul]

I have noticed a lot of cricket pundits praising the BD team and I was surprised because it could only manage three wins out of 8-9 games

Games might have been close but to be considered a respectable opposition you have to beat the likes of AUS, IND, NZ, ENG or PAK or at least one or two of them to show your mental strength.

Two wins came against SA and AFG arguably the two worst teams of the tournament.

One victory against WI which I consider very good because they chased it down with more than 5 overs to spare

If you can only manage to win only 3 matches in a WC after 5 WC post test status then you really do deserved to be called minnows

Your post was good until the last word.

 

[Mainul]

It was really disappointing for us. We targeted semis and fell well short. Our captain, Tamim were ordinary. Batsmen got starts in every match, but noone converted it into big one except Shakib. Our bowling lacked penetration, fielding was childish.

 

[Rellu_Katta]

I enjoyed watching them.

Their biggest problem is their bowling - they need a couple of good pacers who can get early wickets.

really? i thought it was batting and Obviously fielding .....

in bowling, they have Fizz, Sakib, Sahfiudin (the new seamer) and Mehdi.. all decent bowlers with first 2 very good.. so they have their basis covered .. but batting was shambles.. sakib and mushfiq and thts it... Liton came good in 1 game but thts it ...

 

[usmanraheel]

I like this Bangladeshi team. I think Saf could be a good all rounder , but Bangladesh needs genuine fast bowlers as others have mentioned. Spin quality is pretty decent. A couple of decent openers wont hurt !

 

[Rellu_Katta]

It was really disappointing for us. We targeted semis and fell well short. Our captain, Tamim were ordinary. Batsmen got starts in every match, but noone converted it into big one except Shakib. Our bowling lacked penetration, fielding was childish.

fielding was shambles... and worse than pakistan (which in its self is a massive acheivement )
Batting is a problem ... outside sub-continent, these are the best tracks for asian teams and Bangladesh failed ...... time to get rid of Tamim.. he was poorest.. waayyyyyyy too slow and then not converting big . and massive liability in the filed. i think no1 should be safe apart from Sakib n Mushfiq in top 8 ....

but then again are there any good batsmen coming in from domestic for u guys? you do well at u19 level so there must be some good talent? stuck with the same problems we have? cant get rid of dead wood like ur maliks n haffezez?

 

[Saj]

really? i thought it was batting and Obviously fielding .....

in bowling, they have Fizz, Sakib, Sahfiudin (the new seamer) and Mehdi.. all decent bowlers with first 2 very good.. so they have their basis covered .. but batting was shambles.. sakib and mushfiq and thts it... Liton came good in 1 game but thts it ...

Taking early wickets was a problem throughout the tournament.

 

[warcry]

Bangladesh didnot win many games, but they are now back to winning hearts just like they used to pre 2014. there was a small window 2015-18, in which they were competitive and won the odd game here and there, and in fact won a bilateral odi series but now that is unlikely to continue. normal service has resumed with regards to bangladesh cricket

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Did well for a minnow. Beat afg and WI (two other minnows) and upset an out of form SA.

 

[Saj]

The next and toughest step for them is to make it to the semi-finals or a final of a World Cup instead of just being a team where people say they tried hard and beat one or two of the bigger teams.

 

[BDfanforever]

We can speculate if batting or bowling was better BD could’ve done better. However, truth is they were simply not good enough. Thats all there is to it. Also BD cricket team is an unprofessional Cricket side. I do not consider them to be a professional athletes to be honest.

On a side note, look at Argentina football team full of Messi, Aguero, Dybala, etc but cant even buy a Copa America cup. Some things are not meant for certain teams.

 

[BDfanforever]

We are discussing ODI here. You can't pick and choose.

Also, most BD fans don't give a rat's a** about Test. BD barely plays any Test, to be honest.

That is another problem for BD team. They are garbage in test too as well as T20. Without test cricket they will never get invited for a series. Seriously how do our fans make fun of a team like Sri Lanka who are probably on par with India in terms of their achievements?

 

[ads101]

8th is pretty poor for Bangladesh really, they aren't minnows anymore and would have liked to finish higher. That's one place lower than their overall one. And there's a lot of quality players in the side with experience too.

I didn't watch many of Bangladesh's game, but I saw the last game against Pakistan and they were awful. Outbowled, outbatted and even outfielded, Bangladesh looked slow in the field compared to Pakistan.

I especially wasn't impressed by the bowling of the captain Mortaza, he even looked a bit injured when he bowled in the last match, like he was hobbling on to bowl.

 

[sweep_shot]

That is another problem for BD team. They are garbage in test too as well as T20. Without test cricket they will never get invited for a series. Seriously how do our fans make fun of a team like Sri Lanka who are probably on par with India in terms of their achievements?

Do you know many BD fans who are enthusiastic about Test cricket? I don't know many. I personally prefer ODI cricket the most.

Also, I don't see any BD fan making fun of SL team. I definitely don't do that.

 

[BDfanforever]

Do you know many BD fans who are enthusiastic about Test cricket? I don't know many. I personally prefer ODI cricket the most.

Also, I don't see any BD fan making fun of SL team. I definitely don't do that.

Right, I personally think ODI is the best format for Cricket. However, thing is Test Cricket is 'real' Cricket, which is why if you are not good at it, you won't get invited to other countries. After World Cup is over, it will be all about test cricket going forward.

 

[Rellu_Katta]

Taking early wickets was a problem throughout the tournament.

that is true .. having seen them in this tournament, it was clear that they had become tougher .. but i thght batting was still their weaker suit

 

[sweep_shot]

Right, I personally think ODI is the best format for Cricket. However, thing is Test Cricket is 'real' Cricket, which is why if you are not good at it, you won't get invited to other countries. After World Cup is over, it will be all about test cricket going forward.

Test cricket is real cricket but this format is not practical in modern age. Nobody has time to follow it for 5 days. I can maybe do that when I retire and I have lots of free time. ODI is the most balanced format.

As for BD, I think BD will always be inconsistent until we get rid of corruption and politics from BD cricket. Papon has to interfere less in cricket and selectors/coaches should be given freedom. Players have to fix their fitness levels too.

I personally feel that BD should invest in psychologists because a lot of their (players) issues are psychological and not necessarily technical.

 

[Roaring40s]

seriously?

Compare Pakistan/NZ records before the world cup elsewhere and in England. I'll go ahead and say India overachieved in 2015 with a poor team due to we being slightly better than other teams (barring SA and Oz themselves of course) in Australian conditions as well.
For Pakistan to achieve 11 points this WC, following things had to go their way.
1. Playing matches right before the WC in England. (We did this in 2015 Oz).
2. Morgan having a brain-fade and deciding to bowl.
3. Afghanistan - You know what I am saying.
For New Zealand also, many things went in their favor from winning important tosses to other match results going their way. Not writing here because everybody knows and list would be huge.
This kind of fortune happens in tournaments as the cases like 1983, 1992 and 2003 (Kenya made the SF) show.

 

[BDfanforever]

Bangladesh have to find a way to beat India. We have been getting KO by India since 2015 WC. This WC even in group stage we got officially KO by Indian game.

 

[latecut]

Bangladesh have to find a way to beat India. We have been getting KO by India since 2015 WC. This WC even in group stage we got officially KO by Indian game.

Forget finding a way to defeat India, which was ranked number 2, Bangladesh should have won at least one match out of the matches from other teams ranked above them (viz Pakistan, New Zealand, Australia).

 

[IAJ]

The next and toughest step for them is to make it to the semi-finals or a final of a World Cup instead of just being a team where people say they tried hard and beat one or two of the bigger teams.

To get to the semis og WC is very very tough. Even if BD improves you also know that India, England and Australia will always be in the top.
Pakistan, Windies and SA will also fight for the last spot, and all these teams have a few youngsters in the side who will be quite established come the next WC. And let’s not forget the Kiwis, they are always there and thereabout.
So one should keep the expectations low, but BD are surely going in right direction.

 

[BDfanforever]

BD could’ve finished 8th position even without these coaches. So why waste money? Excellent decision to get rid of them. Mashrafe should be next to sacked.

I hope McKenzie stays as he has done good job in batting department.

 

[pakistani pride]

A poor WC. Finshing 8th.

 

[Dingolfy]

I think their batting stepped up a notch in this WC. They weren’t panicking in 300 plus chases and against India they fought to the end. But their bowling is rubbish and so is fielding. Once they bring up that, they would be a good team.

 

[Hyperion66]

I think their batting stepped up a notch in this WC. They weren’t panicking in 300 plus chases and against India they fought to the end. But their bowling is rubbish and so is fielding. Once they bring up that, they would be a good team.

Exactly, more than anything they need a decent pacer to partner with Fizz, kind of halwa bowling they have now they are lucky to have finished at 8.

 

[rhony]

Shakib was on a different plane and is arguably the MOS
Fizz was great. The rest were not so good and very inconsistent. Tbh, I think WI was more exciting that BD in this WC. Both WI and BD came close to beating big teams but WI has an upside with a lot of young stars in their ranks. They will be a force in the next few years. BD will regress even more with their golden quartet getting older. On points, BD deserves the 8th place but I think WI deserved to be at a higher position.

 

[Saj]

Sacking a good coach doesn't bode well for the future though..............

 

[sweep_shot]

Sacking a good coach doesn't bode well for the future though..............

Agreed, Saj. They are overreacting a bit. Too many chopping and changing can do more harm than good.

Walsh needed to go though.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Bangladesh has done nothing impressive. Shkaib and Mustafizur are the only players who has done anything of note. Take out thoss two and Bangladesh are as bad as Afghanistan, who are near minnow level.

 

[BDfanforever]

Bangladesh has done nothing impressive. Shkaib and Mustafizur are the only players who has done anything of note. Take out thoss two and Bangladesh are as bad as Afghanistan, who are near minnow level.

If you take out main players from each team, they all would be near minnow level. Without Jason Roy, England got crushed by #8 ranked Sri Lanka. Without Kane Williamson, NZ batting is basically non existent, without ABD, RSA had the worst world cup in their history. Also, without Babar Azam I am not sure how impressive Pakistan batting would be either.

 

[Executioner]

Honestly it was still a decent WC till the Afghanistan match. But against India and Pakistan our wheels fell off.

Overall it has been a poor WC. See I don't believe in lowering our standards, we are a better team than this. However we literally went into this world cup with only 1 Strike pacer and that is The Fizz. Our captain had no pace as always and no control either. Our ground fielding was WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, worse than Pakistan's who are probably the worst fielding among the top 8/9 teams and to actually perform way worse than Pakistan is shocking. I believe we gave away 80-90 runs extra in the whole tournament just because of our fielding.

Time to kick out these underperforming players. Soumya Sarkar is claimed to be "talented" and "stylish". I have not seen any real talent in him. He doesn't have a good technique. He is just a Fakhar Zaman minus the CT 100 - minnow basher. Can't play spin. Only plays the ball in the air.

 

[Executioner]

Sacking a good coach doesn't bode well for the future though..............

Because no one will blame our captain because he is an MP now even though he averaged a marvelous 350 with the bat, even Bradman can only dream of it. Oh wait did I just mention with the bat?

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Had they won toss against Pak , it would have been a different result overall. Also their match against SL got rained off.

 

[WengerOut]

They need fast bowlers. Mustafizur is not the answer. Least impressive 20 wickets you will see ever.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Because no one will blame our captain because he is an MP now even though he averaged a marvelous 350 with the bat, even Bradman can only dream of it. Oh wait did I just mention with the bat?

Why is he still not retiring? Plans of plsying next year t20 WC?

 

[Executioner]

Why is he still not retiring? Plans of plsying next year t20 WC?

He is not retiring because apparently no one is asking him to. Typical Subcontinental mentally where players dont know when to quit. Here in Bangladesh he is a "legend". I admit what he has done as a captain and has had some good bowling perfomances but he is nothing special. Not like he inspired us to become no. 1 in the world. He made a team that was no. 9 to no. 7 in the world.

He is holding the team back quite a lot.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

If you take out main players from each team, they all would be near minnow level. Without Jason Roy, England got crushed by #8 ranked Sri Lanka. Without Kane Williamson, NZ batting is basically non existent, without ABD, RSA had the worst world cup in their history. Also, without Babar Azam I am not sure how impressive Pakistan batting would be either.

Lol what a ridiculous post. England still has Root, Bairstow, Archer and Morgan. New Zealand still has Boult and Ferguson. Pakistan has Amir and Imam.

Difference is, all other teams have players who made decent contribution apart from the star players. Whereas rest of Bangladeshi players played on associate level. That's why Bangladesh ranked 8th in WC point chart.

 

[sweep_shot]

Can't believe people are still in posting in this thread. We got knocked out almost a week ago.

Let's move forward. We have a series coming up in less than 20 days.

BD's next assignment is against SL (3-match ODI series).

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Can't believe people are still in posting in this thread. We got knocked out almost a week ago.

Let's move forward. We have a series coming up in less than 20 days.

BD's next assignment is against SL (3-match ODI series).

World Cup is infinitely more important than random bilateral. It is a big deal. Bangladesh getting complacent is the minnow attitude which they haven't shed yet. Your captain had the worst tournament ever for a specialist bowler in WC history, and he's in politics. That doesn't make you concerned?

 

[sweep_shot]

World Cup is infinitely more important than random bilateral. It is a big deal. Bangladesh getting complacent is the minnow attitude which they haven't shed yet. Your captain had the worst tournament ever for a specialist bowler in WC history, and he's in politics. That doesn't make you concerned?

I already mentioned what I needed to mention about our WC performance. I cannot keep on talking about it for eternity. I am not the type who cries over spilled milk; time to move forward.

Time to prepare for 2020 World T20 and 2023 WC.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

I already mentioned what I needed to mention about our WC performance. I cannot keep on talking about it for eternity. I am not the type who cries over spilled milk; time to move forward.

Time to prepare for 2020 World T20 and 2023 WC.

Prepare how exactly? You guys still have a poltician captain who isn't fit to play gully cricket at the moment. If he was in India or Pakistan, he would be axed a long time ago for incompetence and corruption. How are you guys gonna improve, exactly? I see no upcoming talent.

 

[sweep_shot]

Prepare how exactly? You guys still have a poltician captain who isn't fit to play gully cricket at the moment. If he was in India or Pakistan, he would be axed a long time ago for incompetence and corruption. How are you guys gonna improve, exactly? I see no upcoming talent.

Do you even follow BD's domestic scene? U-19 team? If you don't follow, you obviously will not see any talent by definition.

I personally do not care if you think we are minnow. LOL.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Do you even follow BD's domestic scene? U-19 team? If you don't follow, you obviously will not see any talent by definition.

I personally do not care if you think we are minnow. LOL.

Why should I? I see the new players in national team and they aren't exactly setting the stage on fire. I didn't say you are minnow, Shakib and Mustafizur had a good WC. Why getting so defensive? Bangladesh has a bad case of hero worship I find.

 

[sweep_shot]

Why should I? I see the new players in national team and they aren't exactly setting the stage on fire. I didn't say you are minnow, Shakib and Mustafizur had a good WC. Why getting so defensive? Bangladesh has a bad case of hero worship I find.

Players in national team don't always get selected on merit. Guys like Sabbir have no business in national team. They get selected because of political pressure. Our team literally gets selected by Papon (a stubborn Awami League politician).

Our cricket will probably do better once politics is gone from it.

At the end of the day, I don't lose my sleep over it. Whether BD does well or not, my life doesn't get affected. I wish them well.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Players in national team don't always get selected on merit. Guys like Sabbir have no business in national team. They get selected because of political pressure. Our team literally gets selected by Papon (a stubborn Awami League politician).

Our cricket will probably do better once politics is gone from it.

At the end of the day, I don't lose my sleep over it. Whether BD does well or not, my life doesn't get affected. I wish them well.

Fair enough, you guys should still ask to axe the garbage players though. I see no reaction from Bangladesh fans for this abysmal performance. The corruption appears to be as bad as it's in Sri Lanka sadly.

 

[sweep_shot]

Fair enough, you guys should still ask to axe the garbage players though. I see no reaction from Bangladesh fans for this abysmal performance. The corruption appears to be as bad as it's in Sri Lanka sadly.

We scream our lungs out. Doesn't seem like they care.

Same circus going on years after years. I gave up on them 5-6 years ago. I now support them without caring too much.