What if the India-Pakistan game is washed out?

[warcry]

We all know how the ICC reacted when India and Pakistan failed to qualify for the next round in the 2007 world cup.

So how would the ICC react if the upcoming clash is rained out?

 

[aqeelPK]

Why don't they have reserved days in WC?

 

[SM1989]

I would feel relieved if the game is washed out

 

[HitWicket]

Why don't they have reserved days in WC?

The logistics of it would be far too complicated and expensive.

 

[Technics 1210]

The logistics of it would be far too complicated and expensive.

Telling the staff/resources/players/fans to come back the next day is far too complicated?

 

[Alamgeer]

World cup must be resheduled. Every match in coming week will be effected or even get washed out. No point awarding every team one point.

 

[HitWicket]

Telling the staff/resources/players/fans to come back the next day is far too complicated?

Where are the players/offcials/commentators/broadcasting crews going to stay? Presuming you book a hotel out in advance just in case how much extra is that going to cost on-top of wherever they were meant to be that night? How are the broadcasters going to fit it in the schedule? What if the local council don't permit another major match day at the venue? How are you going to deal with refund requests/massive empty stands from the thousands that can't make the reserve day? How are you going to staff the stadium with 1 nights notice? How much extra is that going to cost to organise. There are far more factors that make it completely unreasonable.

 

[Hawkeye]

Where are the players/offcials/commentators/broadcasting crews going to stay? Presuming you book a hotel out in advance just in case how much extra is that going to cost on-top of wherever they were meant to be that night? How are the broadcasters going to fit it in the schedule? What if the local council don't permit another major match day at the venue? How are you going to deal with refund requests/massive empty stands from the thousands that can't make the reserve day? How are you going to staff the stadium with 1 nights notice? How much extra is that going to cost to organise. There are far more factors that make it completely unreasonable.

True.

Reserve day should be there for the final. And maybe even semifinals if feasible in a particular location.

 

[silentkiller187]

will be the best thing that would happen for Pakitsan

 

[Destroyer88]

It will break the streak for starters lol

 

[aqeelPK]

Where are the players/offcials/commentators/broadcasting crews going to stay? Presuming you book a hotel out in advance just in case how much extra is that going to cost on-top of wherever they were meant to be that night? How are the broadcasters going to fit it in the schedule? What if the local council don't permit another major match day at the venue? How are you going to deal with refund requests/massive empty stands from the thousands that can't make the reserve day? How are you going to staff the stadium with 1 nights notice? How much extra is that going to cost to organise. There are far more factors that make it completely unreasonable.

Good points. Thanks explaining, now I understand better.

 

[Rana]

Those who paid £2000 for their tickets can expect to be refunded........£100

 

[Technics 1210]

Where are the players/offcials/commentators/broadcasting crews going to stay? Presuming you book a hotel out in advance just in case how much extra is that going to cost on-top of wherever they were meant to be that night? How are the broadcasters going to fit it in the schedule? What if the local council don't permit another major match day at the venue? How are you going to deal with refund requests/massive empty stands from the thousands that can't make the reserve day? How are you going to staff the stadium with 1 nights notice? How much extra is that going to cost to organise. There are far more factors that make it completely unreasonable.

Hotels are not an issue. At the end of the day of scheduled play, the players commentators etc, return to their hotels, and check out the next day anyway. So hotels are not an issue.

Broadcasters in UK not an issue, SKY have a dedicated channel for Cricket, as do BBC radio etc. Worse case, world wide media do not have to air the game, but can air parts of it.

Local council is not required to permit games, it's a cricket ground by definition, therefore the ground has a permanent license for public events.

Refund requests are easy to deal with, go online, enter ticket number, cost is automatically refunded to the card the ticket was bought from. After all, if a game is washed out, no reserve day, fans still would need a refund, so the system is in place.

The staff are dedicated to the ground, and the tournament.


Reserve days have been factored in for the knockout stages, Broadcasters can be sent advanced notice of the structure, so there is no reason why reserve days could not have been factored in the group stages.

Basically poor planning from ICC's part.

 

[Technics 1210]

Those who paid £2000 for their tickets can expect to be refunded........£100

Here is the refund policy :


(a) 15 overs or less because of adverse weather conditions or completion of the match - request of a full refund (minus any delivery charge)

(b) 15.1 overs to 29.5 overs because of adverse weather conditions or completion of the match - a refund request of 50% of the value of the tickets

https://help.cricketworldcup.com/hc/en-us/articles/360021418513-What-is-the-refund-policy-

But yeah. I would feel sorry for the international fans who traveled to watch the matches!

 

[rockyboy2018]

It will not be. Chill.

 

[warcry]

It will not be. Chill.

It was a hypothetical scenario.

 

[HitWicket]

Hotels are not an issue. At the end of the day of scheduled play, the players commentators etc, return to their hotels, and check out the next day anyway. So hotels are not an issue.

This is true for some games but not all.

Broadcasters in UK not an issue, SKY have a dedicated channel for Cricket, as do BBC radio etc. Worse case, world wide media do not have to air the game, but can air parts of it.

There'll still be the original scheduled game(s) the next day as well however and even if you show both you'll end up with reduced viewership due to the split. You'll also have to hire increased broadcasting equipment and additional broadcasting crews.

Local council is not required to permit games, it's a cricket ground by definition, therefore the ground has a permanent license for public events.

This is not true. All major match days will require permission from the local council. You've got up to 30,000 people cramming in and leaving a confined area at a specific times and an event requiring a notable police presence and in many cases floodlight usage which will also be restricted.

Refund requests are easy to deal with, go online, enter ticket number, cost is automatically refunded to the card the ticket was bought from. After all, if a game is washed out, no reserve day, fans still would need a refund, so the system is in place.

That doesn't negate the large losses from half empty stadiums and mass ticket refunds.

The staff are dedicated to the ground, and the tournament.

This is far from true. The majority of the staff at the stadium will be from a wide range of staffing agencies. If you're expecting them to be reserved for you for the reserve day then you can expect to double your staffing costs per game costing millions more.

Reserve days have been factored in for the knockout stages, Broadcasters can be sent advanced notice of the structure, so there is no reason why reserve days could not have been factored in the group stages.

It's doable for the knockout stages, anything more than that is unrealistic and naive to expect.

 

[Technics 1210]

This is true for some games but not all.



There'll still be the original scheduled game(s) the next day as well however and even if you show both you'll end up with reduced viewership due to the split. You'll also have to hire increased broadcasting equipment and additional broadcasting crews.



This is not true. All major match days will require permission from the local council. You've got up to 30,000 people cramming in and leaving a confined area at a specific times and an event requiring a notable police presence and in many cases floodlight usage which will also be restricted.



That doesn't negate the large losses from half empty stadiums and mass ticket refunds.



This is far from true. The majority of the staff at the stadium will be from a wide range of staffing agencies. If you're expecting them to be reserved for you for the reserve day then you can expect to double your staffing costs per game costing millions more.



It's doable for the knockout stages, anything more than that is unrealistic and naive to expect.

You are referring to adhoc reserve days, I am referring to actual planned reserve days before the competition starts. If ICC planned reserves days before the event started, then there would be no issue in logistics etc because it would all be planned by relevant parties etc, and invoked if needed (basically on standby).

 

[jadaja]

Hotels are not an issue. At the end of the day of scheduled play, the players commentators etc, return to their hotels, and check out the next day anyway. So hotels are not an issue.

Broadcasters in UK not an issue, SKY have a dedicated channel for Cricket, as do BBC radio etc. Worse case, world wide media do not have to air the game, but can air parts of it.

Local council is not required to permit games, it's a cricket ground by definition, therefore the ground has a permanent license for public events.

Refund requests are easy to deal with, go online, enter ticket number, cost is automatically refunded to the card the ticket was bought from. After all, if a game is washed out, no reserve day, fans still would need a refund, so the system is in place.

The staff are dedicated to the ground, and the tournament.


Reserve days have been factored in for the knockout stages, Broadcasters can be sent advanced notice of the structure, so there is no reason why reserve days could not have been factored in the group stages.

Basically poor planning from ICC's part.

You are wrong, if you have reserve day, you cannot have one match per day .You need to have multiple matches everyday instead of having once a week like it is now.

Broadcasters who have paid top dollars for rights will not want to have more matches in a day.They are playing 8 matches per week now.They will have to double that atleast to keep up this worldcup schedule of 6 weeks.

1983 they were playing 4 matches everyday with reserve day for every match.Starsports will never let that happen today.They will lose too much revenue.ICC will lose revenue as a result.

So it is not poor planning at all.It is all about economics of the game.

 

[HitWicket]

You are referring to adhoc reserve days, I am referring to actual planned reserve days before the competition starts. If ICC planned reserves days before the event started, then there would be no issue in logistics etc because it would all be planned by relevant parties etc, and invoked if needed (basically on standby).

That doesn't cancel all the additional costs such as refunds if you offer them (or alternatively largely empty stadiums), doubling staff costs for every game, extra camera crews/equipment, additional hotel rooms etc.

 

[ab041937]

Then By next World Cup, retractable roofs will become mandatory

 

[Titan24]

The logistics of it would be far too complicated and expensive.

There are reserve days in tennis and many other sports as well. Not something profit hungry ICC cant achieve.

 

[HitWicket]

There are reserve days in tennis and many other sports as well. Not something profit hungry ICC cant achieve.

Tennis tournaments typically take place in much smaller time periods confined to a single location, it's a completely different scenario.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Those who paid £2000 for their tickets can expect to be refunded........£100

Ouch!

 

[HitWicket]

Then By next World Cup, retractable roofs will become mandatory

Only if we want to bankrupt every cricket board in the world.

 

[Titan24]

Tennis tournaments typically take place in much smaller time periods confined to a single location, it's a completely different scenario.

Yes but there are many cities in Eng close by which can be used as reserved venues, ofcourse they have to plan it ahead. Not something which you cant do for your elite cricket tournament.

 

[Technics 1210]

You are wrong, if you have reserve day, you cannot have one match per day .You need to have multiple matches everyday instead of having once a week like it is now.

Broadcasters who have paid top dollars for rights will not want to have more matches in a day.They are playing 8 matches per week now.They will have to double that atleast to keep up this worldcup schedule of 6 weeks.

1983 they were playing 4 matches everyday with reserve day for every match.Starsports will never let that happen today.They will lose too much revenue.ICC will lose revenue as a result.

So it is not poor planning at all.It is all about economics of the game.

How many matches in this WC are played at the same ground in 2 subsequent days? NONE. Any multiple matches in this WC are being played on different grounds anyway. So your point cannot have one match per day is moot.

Reserve day kicks in if a match is abandoned due to weather, simply put, less than 15 overs.

How do you think the reserve days for this WC in the knockout stages will work because everything you have mentioned above also applies for the Knockout stages of his WC - there is absolutely no reason why this arrangement could not have extended to group stages when ICC were planning the events. Relevant authorities can easily plan for reserve days given advance notice.

However, once again, I will repeat myself, I agree that a reserve day adhoc, is nigh on impossible, but planning for reserve days in advance is not impossible at all.

 

[HitWicket]

Yes but there are many cities in Eng close by which can be used as reserved venues, ofcourse they have to plan it ahead. Not something which you cant do for your elite cricket tournament.

That's not the point. Take wimbledon as an example. The tournament takes place in a single location for 2 weeks. Staff will be hired purely for that 2 week period. There is no movement required between venues, no varying hotel bookings, no staff only hired for the day. Everyone is always at the venue anyway. This is vastly different from cricket where teams are travelling all over the country, the majority of stadium staff will only be hired for the day, broadcasters are running around all over the place etc. It would millions to implement.

 

[moghul]

If washed out there should a national holiday in celebrating the fact that India could not defeat Pakistan in WC matches first time ever. Sarfraz should be awarded Sitara-e-Imtiaz, for achieving what Waqar, Wasim and even the great Khan could not achieve.

 

[Technics 1210]

That doesn't cancel all the additional costs such as refunds if you offer them (or alternatively largely empty stadiums), doubling staff costs for every game, extra camera crews/equipment, additional hotel rooms etc.

What are you on about? Refunds would apply if both days are abandoned. If the first day is abandoned (less than 15 overs), then the reserve day may offer play, and if so, no need for a refund. If the reserve day is also abandoned then refunds would apply.

Your point of refunds and empty stadiums doesn't make any sense given the PK/SL game was abandoned and ICC had to offer refunds. You are not telling me that ICC would rather pay out, than have the chance to rake in cash the next day are you?

Extra camera crew and staff? Tell me, if staff call in sick, what happens? Yup, there are reserved/standby staff as it is anyway. You tink it's one set of staff that travel from one ground to the next? There are multiple groups and agencies themselves have staff on standby anyway.

Additional hotel rooms is not even an issue given the check out times, might be for fans, but again, this problem also applies to reserve days for KO stages. So what's the point here?

Advance notice is all that is required. It is absolutely no problem at all. The Olympics in 2012 had reserve days for all events too. It's just a matter of planning.

 

[Technics 1210]

That's not the point. Take wimbledon as an example. The tournament takes place in a single location for 2 weeks. Staff will be hired purely for that 2 week period. There is no movement required between venues, no varying hotel bookings, no staff only hired for the day. Everyone is always at the venue anyway. This is vastly different from cricket where teams are travelling all over the country, the majority of stadium staff will only be hired for the day, broadcasters are running around all over the place etc. It would millions to implement.

Sure, a single location is easier to plan for adhoc reserve days, but you are making it out as if the Cricket teams have to play games every consecutive day. This is not the case. Teams have days in between to travel etc, and anyway, if ICC did plan for reserved days, they would then ensure the matches would have enough days in between covering reserve days for travel etc.

This is all about PRE-planning, not adhoc planning.

 

[Rana]

Ouch!

actually i just realised,the refund goes back to the account that paid for the tickets. So those who bought them off someone else for 10 times the price are not going to receive the actual face value of their tickets either!

I hope this match happens otherwise many people have beeb robbed even though there was no match!

 

[Titan24]

That's not the point. Take wimbledon as an example. The tournament takes place in a single location for 2 weeks. Staff will be hired purely for that 2 week period. There is no movement required between venues, no varying hotel bookings, no staff only hired for the day. Everyone is always at the venue anyway. This is vastly different from cricket where teams are travelling all over the country, the majority of stadium staff will only be hired for the day, broadcasters are running around all over the place etc. It would millions to implement.

Yes but ICC can hire people and broadcasters as reserves who will be paid much less than the main ones unless they are required. It will obviously be more costly than usual but I think a premier tournament like WC deserves this especially when you are playing in UK in a rainy season where you witnessed rains even in CT 17.

 

[FakharEAlam]

Those who got expensive tickets through black market would really feel the brunt as the money, I believe, would be refunded to the legal owner of the ticket only.

 

[jadaja]

How many matches in this WC are played at the same ground in 2 subsequent days? NONE. Any multiple matches in this WC are being played on different grounds anyway. So your point cannot have one match per day is moot.

Reserve day kicks in if a match is abandoned due to weather, simply put, less than 15 overs.

How do you think the reserve days for this WC in the knockout stages will work because everything you have mentioned above also applies for the Knockout stages of his WC - there is absolutely no reason why this arrangement could not have extended to group stages when ICC were planning the events. Relevant authorities can easily plan for reserve days given advance notice.

However, once again, I will repeat myself, I agree that a reserve day adhoc, is nigh on impossible, but planning for reserve days in advance is not impossible at all.

Everything I mentioned is applicable to knockouts but there are only 3 knock games. Have reserve day for 3 games is very different from having reserve day for all the matches.

When you plan a reserve day , you have plan as if it will be used for every match .I don't know what is so hard to understand. The broadcaster don't want to ruin their broadcast dollars by having two matches simaltaneously.They have put one day/week as double header that is their limit.

 

[AAli98]

A months rain predicted during this week.. get those buckets out

 

[HitWicket]

What are you on about? Refunds would apply if both days are abandoned. If the first day is abandoned (less than 15 overs), then the reserve day may offer play, and if so, no need for a refund. If the reserve day is also abandoned then refunds would apply.

Your point of refunds and empty stadiums doesn't make any sense given the PK/SL game was abandoned and ICC had to offer refunds. You are not telling me that ICC would rather pay out, than have the chance to rake in cash the next day are you?

At which point you run into the issue of having half-empty stadiums for major games instead.

Extra camera crew and staff? Tell me, if staff call in sick, what happens? Yup, there are reserved/standby staff as it is anyway. You tink it's one set of staff that travel from one ground to the next? There are multiple groups and agencies themselves have staff on standby anyway.

What's that got to do with the cost of hiring extra broadcasting staff? Yes, they may be available but you've still got to pay them.

Advance notice is all that is required. It is absolutely no problem at all. The Olympics in 2012 had reserve days for all events too. It's just a matter of planning.

Eh? Off the top of my head the only sport at the olympics that would even require a (weather-based) reserve day would be tennis where the single-venue argument applies that drastically reduces the cost of implementing it to pretty much nothing given they just cram it into the schedule at the venue where all the staff are already present and games would be played independent of the previous rain.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Why the question.....is there a forecast/possibility of rain?

 

[Technics 1210]

Everything I mentioned is applicable to knockouts but there are only 3 knock games. Have reserve day for 3 games is very different from having reserve day for all the matches.

When you plan a reserve day , you have plan as if it will be used for every match .I don't know what is so hard to understand. The broadcaster don't want to ruin their broadcast dollars by having two matches simaltaneously.They have put one day/week as double header that is their limit.

Oh so your argument is that ICC would have to plan a reserve day for every match. Wow!

Broadcasters do not want to ruin their broadcast dollars by having 2 matches simultaneously? Are you for real? There have already been days in THIS WC where 2 SCHEDULED matches have been played on the SAME day. Saturday 8th June - LOOK IT UP!

And anyway, two matches per day in the event of a reserve day is not going to be the norm is it? Hence it is called a reserve day! Also depends on the broadcaster, SKY for instances have no problem, they have a dedicated channel for Cricket! No broadcasting issues here!

 

[Technics 1210]

At which point you run into the issue of having half-empty stadiums for major games instead.

What? How? If reserve days are planned, then the ICC would ensure there are additional days in between normal schedule matches.

What's that got to do with the cost of hiring extra broadcasting staff? Yes, they may be available but you've still got to pay them.

You tell me, you are the one going on about how extra staff are needed. I am just pointing out that standby staff is always available anyway, so extra staff is not an issue.

Eh? Off the top of my head the only sport at the olympics that would even require a (weather-based) reserve day would be tennis where the single-venue argument applies that drastically reduces the cost of implementing it to pretty much nothing given they just cram it into the schedule at the venue where all the staff are already present and games would be played independent of the previous rain.

Rain is not just the only factor that effects Olympics. The Wind is the biggest threat.

 

[HitWicket]

What? How? If reserve days are planned, then the ICC would ensure there are additional days in between normal schedule matches.

There are going to be a significant amount of people that can make it on the initial day but not the reserve day. Either through work, other commitments, lack of a hotel booking, pre-booked travel etc.

You tell me, you are the one going on about how extra staff are needed. I am just pointing out that standby staff is always available anyway, so extra staff is not an issue.

Getting in the odd replacement member of staff if someone is ill is not the same concept as getting in the hundreds of members of staff required at half a days notice. The only other option is to pay those hundreds of staffs for both days independent of the weather which is clearly going to add up to a large amount of money over every game.

Rain is not just the only factor that effects Olympics. The Wind is the biggest threat.

Genuinely curious, what events in the summer Olympics can (reasonably) be postponed to another day due to high/low wind? Sailings the only one I can think of off the top of my head.

 

[Technics 1210]

There are going to be a significant amount of people that can make it on the initial day but not the reserve day. Either through work, other commitments, lack of a hotel booking, pre-booked travel etc.

Doesn't this apply to the KO stages of this WC too?

Surely half empty stadium for the SF/Final is worse than a group stage? Or are you suggesting there should be no reserve days at all in fear of half empty stadiums? Did you see the stadium in the SL/PK game? It was more than half empty. Had there been a reserve day, I am sure the next day would have been close to full.

Getting in the odd replacement member of staff if someone is ill is not the same concept as getting in the hundreds of members of staff required at half a days notice. The only other option is to pay those hundreds of staffs for both days independent of the weather which is clearly going to add up to a large amount of money over every game.

So pay them. What's the issue? As long as they have advance notice then fine. Staff can be paid a standby fee

Genuinely curious, what events in the summer Olympics can (reasonably) be postponed to another day due to high/low wind? Sailings the only one I can think of off the top of my head.

Rowing is a good one. Choppy waters can be extremely dangerous.



From what I am reading you think ICC should not plan for reserve days for all matches because of cost, and hardship of fans coming in the next day. If this is the case, then your concerns also apply to the KO stages of the WC.

 

[SM1989]

Where are the players/offcials/commentators/broadcasting crews going to stay? Presuming you book a hotel out in advance just in case how much extra is that going to cost on-top of wherever they were meant to be that night? How are the broadcasters going to fit it in the schedule? What if the local council don't permit another major match day at the venue? How are you going to deal with refund requests/massive empty stands from the thousands that can't make the reserve day? How are you going to staff the stadium with 1 nights notice? How much extra is that going to cost to organise. There are far more factors that make it completely unreasonable.

All these things should be sorted out in advance as contingency plans. This is not a meaningless bilateral series. This is a world cup. Every match should have a result. If the rain stops at midnight, then the players go out and play at 1am. There should be no rained out matches. And if the fans can't attend in the reserve days or after midnight, then too bad. The tickets should have clauses in them stating that the organisers cannot be sued in the event of a change in schedule due to weather conditions.

 

[Tapeballcricket]

I live in Manchester and the weather has been pretty crap here and it rains ALOT here.

Don't be surprised if it is indeed a washout.

I am surprised they setup such a high profile match here!

 

[HitWicket]

Doesn't this apply to the KO stages of this WC too?

Of course it does, but applying it to 3 (spaced-out) games is a lot cheaper and easier than applying it to the 50-odd games we have overall.

So pay them. What's the issue?

That alone is going to cost you a 7 figure total across the tourament. Staffing agencies send their employees all over the place regularly. Why are they going to sit around til the day before waiting to see if you need their staff rather than just send them elsewhere unless you offer to pay their wages either way.

 

[Pakpak]

Of course it does, but applying it to 3 (spaced-out) games is a lot cheaper and easier than applying it to the 50-odd games we have overall.




That alone is going to cost you a 7 figure total across the tourament. Staffing agencies send their employees all over the place regularly. Why are they going to sit around til the day before waiting to see if you need their staff rather than just send them elsewhere unless you offer to pay their wages either way.

I don't know why you're peddling excuses here. Maybe the WC is in England that's why. Its the biggest tournament of the sport and deserves contingency plans, whatever the cost. It is utterly ridiculous that teams will now get knocked out despite not playing the full amount of games that they ought to have.

 

[Syed1]

Here is the refund policy :


(a) 15 overs or less because of adverse weather conditions or completion of the match - request of a full refund (minus any delivery charge)

(b) 15.1 overs to 29.5 overs because of adverse weather conditions or completion of the match - a refund request of 50% of the value of the tickets

https://help.cricketworldcup.com/hc/en-us/articles/360021418513-What-is-the-refund-policy-

But yeah. I would feel sorry for the international fans who traveled to watch the matches!

A lot of people bought tickets second hand and at 5-7 times the actual price. If the match is rained off then ICC will only refund the original amount


Kind of poetic in the sense how Indians hoarded all the tickets (70%) and now they will be the biggest losers if the match is rained off.

 

[nam]

Then By next World Cup, retractable roofs will become mandatory

for India vs Pakistan plus maybe big 3 clashes only.

 

[Technics 1210]

Of course it does, but applying it to 3 (spaced-out) games is a lot cheaper and easier than applying it to the 50-odd games we have overall.




That alone is going to cost you a 7 figure total across the tourament. Staffing agencies send their employees all over the place regularly. Why are they going to sit around til the day before waiting to see if you need their staff rather than just send them elsewhere unless you offer to pay their wages either way.

So ultimately you are saying ICC shouldn't have reserved days for all matches due to cost.

Okay, let me tell you something. Right now the match at Rose Bowl is delayed after less than 8 over have been played. As it stands the match will be abandoned. What do you think the fans are doing right now? They have not left for home, they are at the grounds, spending money on drinks and food. Income for the ICC even though the match is not being played.

Now assume the match is abandoned, and there is a reserve day tomorrow. The fans will return (even assume half of them), and still buy drinks and food the next day. Now, even if the stadium is half full, the ICC will issue on the day tickets at half price / gate tickets. This is the norm for any match in the UK, and locals will then come to watch the match, and spend money at the ground.

ICC earns money on both days therefor costs to cover additional staff etc are covered. Plus given the costs of tickets which are inflated for the most part, ICC is not short of an opportunity to generate revenue.

 

[UN talkz]

Both of them will get 1 point each.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Huge loss for the organizers, fans. Gambhir will be happy though

 

[ARK Rafay]

Why I feel this WC will be ruined because of rain?

I hope not

 

[Majid Khan]

Im guessing if the Pak-Ind game was washed out, the ICC might have a special board meeting and announce in an unprecedented move , that the Pak v India game would be played on an extra day after all group games have finished, and before the semis.

 

[adil79]

Im guessing if the Pak-Ind game was washed out, the ICC might have a special board meeting and announce in an unprecedented move , that the Pak v India game would be played on an extra day after all group games have finished, and before the semis.

The other teams would have objection over that, for treating them not equal.

 

[HitWicket]

So ultimately you are saying ICC shouldn't have reserved days for all matches due to cost.

Okay, let me tell you something. Right now the match at Rose Bowl is delayed after less than 8 over have been played. As it stands the match will be abandoned. What do you think the fans are doing right now? They have not left for home, they are at the grounds, spending money on drinks and food. Income for the ICC even though the match is not being played.

Now assume the match is abandoned, and there is a reserve day tomorrow. The fans will return (even assume half of them), and still buy drinks and food the next day. Now, even if the stadium is half full, the ICC will issue on the day tickets at half price / gate tickets. This is the norm for any match in the UK, and locals will then come to watch the match, and spend money at the ground.

ICC earns money on both days therefor costs to cover additional staff etc are covered. Plus given the costs of tickets which are inflated for the most part, ICC is not short of an opportunity to generate revenue.

Except you've not considered the fact that you'd have to pay to have those staff available independent on whether the reserve day is used or not. Most of the time it won't be and you'll still end up paying the staffing agencies despite not using them.

You'll also struggle to get many people turning up to watch a reserve day during the week purely on a whim given they'll be working. It'd be a bit better on weekends.

 

[Technics 1210]

Except you've not considered the fact that you'd have to pay to have those staff available independent on whether the reserve day is used or not. Most of the time it won't be and you'll still end up paying the staffing agencies despite not using them.

If the reserve day is used the staff cost is covered, if not, so what, the amount of margin on drinks/food/tickets on the first day is enough to pay for staff at a ground for the entire week! For your info, the cost of having someone on standby is the same cost as if they are working for a day.

I cannot believe you are still complaining about this. It's not your money being spent on paying the staff. You do not want to have reserve days because it costs more? Really? This is your reason? Because your initial argument of hotels/staff availability/council permission (which is false anyway), and broadcasting has been whittled down to one, cost.

You must be the first person I have come across that is worried about the cost of ensuring the tournament has contingencies in place. You are arguing for the sake of it as if it's your money being spent.

I don't know where you live, but in the UK paying someone to be on standby is not a big issue.

If you traveled from India to watch the match on Sunday, and it was washed out, wouldn't you like to have the opportunity to watch the match the next day?

 

[HitWicket]

If the reserve day is used the staff cost is covered, if not, so what, the amount of margin on drinks/food/tickets on the first day is enough to pay for staff at a ground for the entire week! For your info, the cost of having someone on standby is the same cost as if they are working for a day.

Presumably you meant to say "is not the same cost here" as your argument here? I can tell you from personal experience that major events such as these will result in taking pretty much multiple agencies entire workforces. They're not going to be keeping their entire company on hold for you on the off chance you may need them for any less than they could be making by working elsewhere that day. Now for the odd game that cost looks reasonable, but for an entire tournament? That's a ton of money down the drain for services that probably won't be used.

I cannot believe you are still complaining about this. It's not your money being spent on paying the staff. You do not want to have reserve days because it costs more? Really? This is your reason? Because your initial argument of hotels/staff availability/council permission (which is false anyway), and broadcasting has been whittled down to one, cost.

If you traveled from India to watch the match on Sunday, and it was washed out, wouldn't you like to have the opportunity to watch the match the next day?

Of course I'd like reserve days, I'm realistic enough however to see it's not feasible. If you're naive enough to believe major international sporting events don't need the go-ahead from the local council then that's not my problem. The hotels point still stands and staff availability is clearly linked in with the cost of having them available as discussed.

I don't know where you live, but in the UK paying someone to be on standby is not a big issue.

Having a few on standby is of course not a major issue. Having hundreds taken from across various staffing agencies is of course an issue unless you're compensating them enough for the other work they could be doing in that time, which as already mentioned is going to add up massively over the course of the entire tournament.

 

[Mueez]

Streak will be broken lol.

 

[Technics 1210]

Presumably you meant to say "is not the same cost here" as your argument here? I can tell you from personal experience that major events such as these will result in taking pretty much multiple agencies entire workforces. They're not going to be keeping their entire company on hold for you on the off chance you may need them for any less than they could be making by working elsewhere that day. Now for the odd game that cost looks reasonable, but for an entire tournament? That's a ton of money down the drain for services that probably won't be used.

Of course I'd like reserve days, I'm realistic enough however to see it's not feasible. If you're naive enough to believe major international sporting events don't need the go-ahead from the local council then that's not my problem. The hotels point still stands and staff availability is clearly linked in with the cost of having them available as discussed.

Having a few on standby is of course not a major issue. Having hundreds taken from across various staffing agencies is of course an issue unless you're compensating them enough for the other work they could be doing in that time, which as already mentioned is going to add up massively over the course of the entire tournament.

You are lying about the council. Do you live in the UK? At best a council can be warned of matches, councils do not grant permission to hold matches. This is a fact. Grounds just need a Sports Grounds certificate and can hold as many matches as they want, when they want. They inform councils as courtesy, but do not seek permission. This is the UK, not the USA or India. Prove me wrong and cite the evidence to the contrary. Even if your lie is granted, then the ICC would inform the council months before the tournament of reserve days - so your point is moot or a lie either way.

All the other points have been answered before, you are not realistic, you are arguing for the sake of it, because no one is dumb enough to care more about the welfare of the organizer, than the tournament and experience itself.

 

[The_Odd_One]

One free point for Pakistan

No way is Pakistan beating a near-perfect India which is hugely better in all three departments.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I will be furious if it gets washed out. Damn i have been waiting for this match for ages. I have even postponed my trip due to this match.

 

[Draeoftroy]

A washout would be great for the game and for the people. Not for the ICC and greedy broadcasters.

No Indian network would announce boycott

Kashmiri and other muslim minority students studying in Delhi, Noida and rest of India will be able to continue their normal chores.

Kashmiri Shopkeepers won't be threatened or face worse in Jammu and Dehradun areas.
Radical political groups like Shiv Sena or RSS won't be roaming around muslim neighbourhoods to check, are the people there watching the match and whom they are supporting.

Its not just a match for Indians it is a Tebbitt sort of Test, the minorities must pass even though Indians don't mind the overseas NRIs [who are not Indian citizens] cheering for India against their home nation.

 

[Abid Z]

All week, wherever we are playing rain is scheduled. This is probably the wettest World Cup in recent memory. Even 1999 didn’t have as many washed out games

 

[Swashbuckler]

Then we will have multiple threads here on whether the streak is broken or not.

Hope we get a full match with no hindrance by rain, and hope PPers have a great time on Sunday.

 

[PakLFC]

BCCI will say we didn't want to play Pak anyway India are scoring 300 plus no matter what.

 

[Haripotter]

It will break the streak for starters lol

But how ?
The record would still show 11-0 even if the points are shared . Only one free undeserving point to Pakistan santh
You have got to play and defeat India to break the streak. Simple funda

 

[PakWarrior]

It's not a what if anymore.

The match is looking likely to be washed out unfortunately.

Flooding and torrential rain throughout UK this week and into early next week.

 

[Ronaldo7]

It's not a what if anymore.

The match is looking likely to be washed out unfortunately.

Flooding and torrential rain throughout UK this week and into early next week.

Too early to say.
Let's wait till thursday before making any judgements.

 

[Saj]

At the moment the weather looks ok in Manchester for Sunday - Sunny intervals and a gentle breeze.

 

[jnaveen1980]

So far 2 matches were impacted. wonder how the weather was next day at those venues.

 

[Hasan123]

Lol nothing will happen. Its rained off that's all there is to it.

 

[shazia9000]

Hotels are not an issue. At the end of the day of scheduled play, the players commentators etc, return to their hotels, and check out the next day anyway. So hotels are not an issue.

Broadcasters in UK not an issue, SKY have a dedicated channel for Cricket, as do BBC radio etc. Worse case, world wide media do not have to air the game, but can air parts of it.

Local council is not required to permit games, it's a cricket ground by definition, therefore the ground has a permanent license for public events.

Refund requests are easy to deal with, go online, enter ticket number, cost is automatically refunded to the card the ticket was bought from. After all, if a game is washed out, no reserve day, fans still would need a refund, so the system is in place.

The staff are dedicated to the ground, and the tournament.


Reserve days have been factored in for the knockout stages, Broadcasters can be sent advanced notice of the structure, so there is no reason why reserve days could not have been factored in the group stages.

Basically poor planning from ICC's part.

very good points

 

[Captain caveman]

What if the wc final is a washout!

 

[Captain caveman]

What if the wc final is a washout!

And it is a pakistan vs india final?

 

[jnaveen1980]

And it is a pakistan vs india final?

They have a spare day. If that is also washed out. Both Kohli and Sarfraz will become prime ministers after 27 years

 

[Captain caveman]

They have a spare day. If that is also washed out. Both Kohli and Sarfraz will become prime ministers after 27 years

God help india and pak if this happens!

 

[Roadie]

Except you've not considered the fact that you'd have to pay to have those staff available independent on whether the reserve day is used or not. Most of the time it won't be and you'll still end up paying the staffing agencies despite not using them.

You'll also struggle to get many people turning up to watch a reserve day during the week purely on a whim given they'll be working. It'd be a bit better on weekends.

I have been reading this whole thread and some of the points are just totally absurd.

Have you never worked for an agency? Do you know how security/stewarding companies work?

I can tell you as a fact that it's not difficult or unreasonable to hire staff on a short term/temporary basis.

The amount of security guarding agencies in the UK is extortionate. To name a few, Showsec, G4S, CES (controlled event solutions).. I can't think of anymore.
Also I'm sure that the ICC Legal Team will have some force majeure clause in the Contract.

Citing cost should be the least of your worries bro. I am actually surprised that Technics carried on replying.

Your argument has no basis whatsoever.
PS I live in Manchester myself, at the moment the weather has been extremely wet.

Lovely ground (I have even worked here)!!

 

[CricFan2012]

If this happens then we should be able to make the semi finals

 

[aloo paratha]

Easiest solution for the next world cup is to just have 2-3 "rain days" after the last group game but before the first Semi Final where any matches that were abandoned due to rain can be rescheduled.

 

[hadi123]

It's a lot harder than people think for ANY sporting match to go ahead , so reserve day will be even harder. I won't complain if rain saves Pakistan, but forecast seems okay.