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What is exactly going on with Babar Azam?

Rana said:
He didn’t say this on Geo News, he said it on the show he does with Dr Nauman Niaz. What a b.s statement!
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Why is Babar constantly portrayed as some sort of Ricky Ponting?

The statements and hype generated around him makes you believe as if we are axing Viv Richards from the squad?

His time is up.
 
mominsaigol said:
The irony of it all is that I dont even hate Babar Azam 🤣🤣.

He is a talented batsmen who went downhill and declined and is now past it.

His game was always more suited to odi and test and he somewhat got unlucky that Pakistan only play 13 tests in 2 years nowadays and hardly any odi, which is why he tried and failed to make the t20 switch.

I despise indian fans for being racist and biased on this forumn but it seems many Pakistani fans excluding the ones I deeply respect are following a similar trajectory of Being biased when it comes to Babar.

Let it go, he is finished, your criticism would only make sense in odi or test if I criticised him in 2016-2021.

It doesnt make sense for t20 in any era despite the India 2021 game, nor does it make sense for any format post 2022.

3 years of failing(going into year 4) is alot. In 3+ years, NZ home odi series was the only series he avg 51 in and asia cup Nepal game was his last performance.

Its thanks to his 51 avg vs NZ that the 36 avg, 78 sr is so high.

The real figure is likely around avg 28-32 for the past 3 years.
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Very well said. Why would anyone hate a player from the off? We’re Pakistani supporters, we all wanted him to do well. We’ve given him enough rope.

It’s his zid, delusion, refusal to change his game or his role and overall dumbo demeanor that frustrated a lot of us. Add to that the politicking and paid social media nonsense coupled with childish cake cutting, birthday celebrations, you realise this guy is pathetic. I don’t hate him, I pity the fool.
 
Mockingbird said:
Babar needs some time to himself and work with one or two trusted guys to get over his technical issues. Does he have those guys is the moot point here.
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That requires Swallowing your own pride and Fake king cannot do that. Saya Corp PR campaign is working overtime to get him back
 
mominsaigol said:
Why is Babar constantly portrayed as some sort of Ricky Ponting?

The statements and hype generated around him makes you believe as if we are axing Viv Richards from the squad?

His time is up.
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Rashid Latif is a contributor or guest here too.

I would love for the mods to set me up with him for a 1-1 interview.

I want Teddy Long to announce the match for me: “Tonight, you will go 1 on 1 with the Undertaker Playah”
 
I agree babar azam is finished for last two years...but those talks of B,C teams is rubbish....from 2019-2022 he scored against every attack....I remember he scored 100 vs rabada and Co in 2021 on SA tour, 100 vs Mark Wood and archer during England tour 2019....plus even if its B, C teams they still are professionals with tons of domestic experience, it's not like they pull someone from crowd and made them bowl, 90 percent people here just talking rubbish....the real reason is he is just mentally done...its not about B,C teams...plus there is not second string teams in test cricket...
 
Babar should practice against left arm spin.

Maybe play one tip with Safeer Azam and the rest of the gang. New vlog for the channel too.
 
Obaidd said:
Babar should practice against left arm spin.

Maybe play one tip with Safeer Azam and the rest of the gang. New vlog for the channel too.
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He has serious issues against gentle off-spin too

We all know how Micheal Bracewell has Babar Azam in his left pocket
 
Babar Azam's last Test century came in December 2022, when he scored 161 against New Zealand in Karachi. Since then, he has gone 26 Test innings without a hundred. In ODIs, his most recent century was on August 30, 2023, when he made 151 against Nepal in Multan. He has failed to reach the hundred mark in his last 30 ODI matches.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Babar Azam's last Test century came in December 2022, when he scored 161 against New Zealand in Karachi. Since then, he has gone 26 Test innings without a hundred. In ODIs, his most recent century was on August 30, 2023, when he made 151 against Nepal in Multan. He has failed to reach the hundred mark in his last 30 ODI matches.
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That 161 against NZ was on Road.. where Williamson scored 200 and Latham Scored 100.. Even Ish Sodhi scored 65 off 180 balls.. reason Babar could nt win a single test at home. Inflated his own stats by asking for Roads but at expense of multiple home Series which we could nt win.

When did he make a century of Note in Test Cricket?

196 in Karachi is not one of them
 
Even when he was in form he was the last guy i wroried about as he is not one of those guys who will hurt you like say Fakhar zaman. He has a ceiling beyond which he cannot go. Even against NZ in a steep chase Fakhar was the one who managed the acceleration while Babar was happy to tuk tuk his way. In other words he was over-rated always.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Babar Azam's last Test century came in December 2022, when he scored 161 against New Zealand in Karachi. Since then, he has gone 26 Test innings without a hundred. In ODIs, his most recent century was on August 30, 2023, when he made 151 against Nepal in Multan. He has failed to reach the hundred mark in his last 30 ODI matches.
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You know, a couple of years ago, I thought that Babar would score more than 50 centuries in all formats combined. Now, I struggle to see him score 35 centuries. It has been an almighty fall from grace for him.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Even when he was in form he was the last guy i wroried about as he is not one of those guys who will hurt you like say Fakhar zaman. He has a ceiling beyond which he cannot go. Even against NZ in a steep chase Fakhar was the one who managed the acceleration while Babar was happy to tuk tuk his way. In other words he was over-rated always.
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Fakhar hasn't done anything in t20s, just ODIs
 
Sachin fan said:
Fakhar hasn't done anything in t20s, just ODIs
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Tbf, Fakhar isn't a dasher like everyone believes.

His sr in odi for the first 25-40 deliveries are Babar and rizwan esc, with the only difference being that he will hit a 6 or multiple boundaries here and their but the score card will always read

15 of 27 or 25 of 40.

The difference is Fakhar after getting set ends up increasing his sr to 100+ and he manages to not just hit a 100, he typically gets a 120-180 at a 100+ SR.

Another difference is that while he rarely attacks from the get go, he has done it on occasions which his 210 vs Zimbabwe, 91 of 46 vs Australia and 123 of 74 vs NZ. While for babar and rizwan it is impossible.

So it makes sense why he struggles in t20 since getting a move on from ball 1 aint his thing.
 
mominsaigol said:
Tbf, Fakhar isn't a dasher like everyone believes.

His sr in odi for the first 25-40 deliveries are Babar and rizwan esc, with the only difference being that he will hit a 6 or multiple boundaries here and their but the score card will always read

15 of 27 or 25 of 40.

The difference is Fakhar after getting set ends up increasing his sr to 100+ and he manages to not just hit a 100, he typically gets a 120-180 at a 100+ SR.

Another difference is that while he rarely attacks from the get go, he has done it on occasions which his 210 vs Zimbabwe, 91 of 46 vs Australia and 123 of 74 vs NZ. While for babar and rizwan it is impossible.

So it makes sense why he struggles in t20 since getting a move on from ball 1 aint his thing.
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Yes he is definitely an improvement over Babar and Rizwan bt a long distance. I think of him as Pant like batsman who takes time to set but then can run away with the game like no one else.

T20s are not the best format for them but they can excel in tests and ODIs.
 
Sachin fan said:
Yes he is definitely an improvement over Babar and Rizwan bt a long distance. I think of him as Pant like batsman who takes time to set but then can run away with the game like no one else.

T20s are not the best format for them but they can excel in tests and ODIs.
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They ruined him in test cricket. PCB is the most incompetent board on the planet.

I respect bcci as a board(excluding theit recent antics lol) but in terms of player development they are top tier.

I just have issues with 10 trolls on this forumn. 90% of PP beyond these 10 are solid posters though
 
He really does prioritise t20 it seems. Always ready to play leagues around the world. I don’t care how good or bad his hitting game is in t20s.

He should focus on doing well in his test #4 position.
 
Caved12 said:
In the first ODI, Babar scored 47 and Rizwan made 53, and we won. In the second match, Babar got out for a duck and Rizwan scored only 16, and we lost. The pattern is clear. If even one of them contributes, we have a much better chance of winning. If both perform, the West Indies won’t even come close. That’s how much our ODI team depends on these two.

The rest of the lineup is inconsistent. Most of the players are still developing and need more time, experience, and proper guidance to grow into even half the players that Babar and Rizwan already are.

Babar is clearly struggling right now, but every great player goes through a slump. He will be fine. His class is permanent.

Looking ahead to the next World Cup, here’s the lineup I would go with:

  1. Fakhar
  2. Imam
  3. Babar
  4. Rizwan
  5. Agha
  6. Hasan
This setup gives us a solid top order and some much-needed balance in the middle. As long as Babar and Rizwan are in form, we have a real chance.
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@topspin @Rana @mominsaigol
 
Caved12 said:
My sincere apologies, no way I’m dropping Saim Ayub. He’s still working his way back to top form after injury, and I’m backing him to come good. Great problem to have with the squad depth we’ve got.

Revised XI:

1. Fakhar

2. Saim

3. Babar

4. Imam

5. Rizwan

6. Agha

7. Hasan

8. Spin or pace-bowling all-rounder depending on pitch conditions. Nawaz or Aamir Jamal

9. Naseem

10. Shaheen

11. Abrar or Sufiyan (on spin-friendly track), otherwise Haris Rauf.

And depending on different situations and pitch conditions, I will even drop a batter and bring in a specialized bowler. There will be drop in pitches, that will most likely favour the pacers as the World Cup will be in South Africa, and Zimbabwe, but more or less the above players will cover it all.
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@topspin @Rana @mominsaigol
 
Read posts 236 and 259, they clearly talk about ODIs and the next World Cup. Don’t pretend you took screenshots but didn’t actually read them. Like I said before, you’re a compulsive liar. All three of you, @Rana, @topspin, and @mominsaigol lying about what I posted and then backing each other up. It’s honestly pathetic. What do you have to say now?
 
Rana said:
What do you want me to do with this dead@ss line up? England and Australia still scoring 400+ in the new change of ball era. South Africa still batting at 6+ an over.

Why are you sharing a 4-5 runs per over team and line up?

Imam, Babar, Rizwan in the top 4? Waise hi doob ke marr jate hain? Why wait until 2027?
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@topspin @Rana @mominsaigol

Stage 1 lmao

This is what I replied to you in the other thread

It’s very simple, because I have a good memory and remember exactly what I posted. I tried to find that post but couldn’t, and @mominsaigol is taking too long. I don’t have that much time right now, my little one just woke up and needs my attention.

The first post was a discussion about the ODI team. I clearly mentioned in that thread that the discussion was about the next World Cup and the ODI lineup. In the first list, I forgot to include Saim, since he had just come back from injury and was struggling a bit. It completely slipped my mind. But it’s unbelievable that someone would think or assume that I completely dropped him from the squad and wanted Imam to replace Saim in all white ball cricket. That’s just nonsense.

The other post here clearly shows that I included Saim in my ODI lineup. That post was simply a reply to my own earlier post where I had shared the ODI line up. In that thread, I wasn’t debating with anyone, I was just sharing my thoughts and discussing a few things. @Rana, @topspin, and @mominsaigol know this, but they’re twisting my words and trying to drag this into a pointless debate.

The lie about me wanting Imam in all white ball formats wasn’t just mentioned in Saim’s thread, they kept repeating it in different threads for weeks. I chose not to reply because I knew they would twist everything and turn it into an endless argument. No one even discusses Imam for the T20 lineup and they know that. And absolutely no one would permanently drop Saim from the white ball squad. Just one piece of nonsense after another.

Here’s the link where @topspin made that false claim — post number 1466. also read @mominsaigol’s reply, post number 1482 where he told another lie, saying that I had Rizwan opening and Agha batting at 3. But the screenshots above clearly show that I didn’t do that at all. In fact, the screenshots clearly show that I had Saim in the lineup, which should have ended the discussion right there. But they’re just trying to act smart and keep it going.

BouncerGuy

Post in thread '[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Saim Ayub - the real deal or a flash in the pan?'

Flash in the pan type stuff now.

Saim Ayub 12 Innings in ODI Cricket So far 1, 82, 42, 11, 113, 31, 109, 25, 101, 5, 23, 0
 
It’s time you apologized. You’ve been pushing this lie for weeks, even posting screenshots and still lying straight to everyone’s face about everything. Enough is enough.
 
TBH. I AM NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR PERSONAL CONVERSATION AND TROLLING... LOCKING THIS THREAD FOR YOUR OWN GOOD.
 
Obaidd said:
He really does prioritise t20 it seems. Always ready to play leagues around the world. I don’t care how good or bad his hitting game is in t20s.

He should focus on doing well in his test #4 position.
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He cant, not good enough. Check his SENA record in red ball.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Which is good

65 avg in Eng
41 avg in NZ
47 avg in SA

He has failed only in Aus where he averaged 25
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Which is why babar should be categorised into 2 versions like I've been proclaiming from the start.

2016-2021 era and 2022-present era.

In terms of test post 2022 he couldn't even perform on phatta tracks vs Bangladesh. He's lucky Pakistan hasnt played much tests these 3 years. He flopped vs Sri lanka despite saud and Abdullah scoring double centuroes
 
Burden of expectations is increasing day by day... Babar is not that tough mentally TBH to deal with it... That is the top reason for his form decline.
 
Rana said:
You really do want to act like Ricky Ponting when @BouncerGuy is on Moderation duty time?
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Not at all. I have a lot of respect for @BouncerGuy and all the moderators here. I’ve always respected this site and the people who help run it. If anything, I often feel bad that they have to deal with nonsense and delete posts, which I’m sure they don’t enjoy but have no choice when lines are crossed. Personally, I’m happy just writing about cricket and avoiding unnecessary back and forth with other posters. That’s what I’ve been doing for a long time now, though sometimes others try to drag me into things I have no interest in.

I won’t be around as much in the coming weeks since I had some time off recently, but I’ll definitely be around whenever Pakistan cricket is active. I may not post as often, but I’ll be reading whenever I can. Hopefully, Pakistan cricket does well in the Asia Cup and we see the team performing to its full potential.
 
TexasRattlesnake said:
Smaller sample size though. 0 100s in those countries.

And NZ-SA is reversed.
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Thanks for the correction. His overall numbers are not bad which was claimed by the poster I quoted

mominsaigol said:
Which is why babar should be categorised into 2 versions like I've been proclaiming from the start.

2016-2021 era and 2022-present era.

In terms of test post 2022 he couldn't even perform on phatta tracks vs Bangladesh. He's lucky Pakistan hasnt played much tests these 3 years. He flopped vs Sri lanka despite saud and Abdullah scoring double centuroes
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Agree with this. But I was replying to the claim of him being poor in SENA
 
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