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Mickey Arthur has turned into a superb coach of Pakistan.

He has transformed their white ball fortunes like Trevor Bayliss has with England, but more importantly he has completely overhauled the Test team.

As I have written before, I read Mickey Arthur's autobiography from cover to cover when he was appointed. And it is clear that he has superbly implemented everything he was ever going to.

The problems Mickey Arthur inherited in Tests

1. A geriatric team, with too many veteran batsmen who made occasional huge innings but got out cheaply far too often.

FIXED

Mickey was respectful to Younis and Misbah and clearly respected their work ethic. But he has always made it obvious that he prefers a young, athletic team of players willing to buy into a new culture.

As long as Younis and Misbah hung around, he was not going to be able to control the team. Misbah's Four Bowler strategy was non-negotiable, and neither veteran was going to embrace radical change. Worse still, he had the technical deficits of Mohammad Hafeez which needed removal from the team, and the same can be said of Wahab Riaz too.

The "Respect for Elders" malaise extended to the bowling. Sohail Khan and Imran Khan were far too unfit and military medium in pace to have any chance of success outside Asia. They needed to be weeded out too.

2. An unbalanced team outside Asia

FIXED

Mickey Arthur knows from experience that outside Asia a team generally needs 4 quick bowlers to ensure that the best 2 quicks can bowl short, sharp spells.

Misbah clearly didn't agree: he believed that Yasir Shah was Shane Warne and could bowl 30 overs per day and let 3 quicks bowl 20 overs each.

The wheels fell off Misbah's theory at Manchester, Birmingham, Christchurch, Hamilton, Melbourne and finally at Sydney. It was a complete disaster.

What Misbah hadn't realized was that a 3 minute Yasir Shah over provided none of the recuperation time that a 5 minute Faheem Ashraf over offers. He had only three quicks - and one of them was the lumbering Sohail Khan, who in 6 Tests took 1 Second Innings wicket.

But there was another issue too with Misbah's Formula of 6 batsmen and 4 bowlers.

Misbah would argue that the batsmen need to score the runs, and the best 4 bowlers should play.

But Pakistan's batting ain't exactly India. Even against Ireland in 2018, we have seen Pakistan's top order crumble and need to be bailed out by Shadab Khan at 7 and Faheem Ashraf at 8.

Mickey has been consistent throughout his career. Five specialist batsmen, a keeper who can bat (and Sarfraz is skating on increasingly thin ice currently), 2 all-rounders and 3 specialist bowlers.

If you consider the 2018 Lords Test, in reply to England's 184, Pakistan was 227-5. A team with a Misbah Tail might have crumbled to 255 all out, a lead of roughly 70.

But Shadab Khan and Faheem Ashraf provide an insurance policy, especially against an older ball.

At Lords this week in the First Innings, Numbers 7, 8 and 9 scored 113 runs for 2 wickets.

At Lords in 2016 - when Pakistan won - numbers 7, 8 and 9 scored 100 runs for 6 wickets.

3. A poor fielding unit

FIXED

In 2018, Pakistan is outfielding England! Catches are being taken in the slips and the outfielding is excellent. Five of the players are under 25 years of age and the youthful vitality shows.

There are only 3 players aged on the wrong side of 30, and they are 33 (Azhar Ali), 32 (Asad Shafiq) and 31 (Sarfraz Ahmed). It shows!

4. A poorly-prepared team

FIXED

Teams have to prepare for Test cricket. Pakistan's players in my opinion are more suited to playing OUTSIDE Asia than in it, but in both 2016 and 2018 the team has arrived in England early enough to adapt to the conditions and win.

Yet when they hosted Sri Lanka in the UAE they didn't bother to arrive early enough to play practice matches in the conditions, and managed to lose to a club-quality team.

So what is Mickey Arthur getting wrong?

1. He hasn't really adapted his thinking to Asian conditions.
His South Africans won Inzamam's farewell series in Pakistan by playing 4 quicks and a single spinner, and he tried to replicate that against Sri Lanka.

But that makes sense when you don't have any decent spinners. And when you have ATGs like Dale Steyn and AB De Villiers and Dale Steyn in the team.

Mickey is going to need to play finger spinners in Asia, and probably 2 of them per Test. Yasir Shah and Shadab Khan won't have the control to tie down the opposition like a finger spinner on a dry track.

2. He hasn't challenged the idea that Pakistan must host series in Asia
Why on earth should they host teams in Asia?

They haven't got a decent finger spinner to speak of, several of the batsmen are mediocre against spin bowling and the best bowlers are quicks. Yasir Shah is okay on a dry wicket outside Asia, but he can't bat, and frankly we have seen in England and Ireland that outside Asia you get as much out of Shadab Khan - because of his batting - as you do out of Yasir Shah.

Pakistan don't play bilateral series with India. They don't have any sort of home advantage in Asia against Sri Lanka or Bangladesh.

So why do they need to play in the UAE at all other than when hosting England or Australia? Why not use small (and cheap, and available) venues in Mickey Arthur's native South Africa, where conditions might actually suit Pakistan - and prepare them for tours to Australia and South Africa.
 
Correction - rather than 2 Dale Steyns I meant that the 2007-8 Saffas had Kallis, De Villers and Steyn!
 
Pakistan was always good in England,he hasn't "fixed" their problems outside Asia yet, tbf Pak never lost to Kiwis in a long time so I would say not yet, and plz don't say Windies that test series win was a long overdue for PCT never understood why they couldn't win it there.

All other aspects of being fixed probably true or atleast seems true right now.
 
Mickey has this thing wrong...

TIGHT bowling.

We concede too many runs quickly.
 
So what happens to the depth of the batting when Yasir Shah returns?
 
The wivket keeper/bat is the weakest link, that he needs to fix by bringing in another wicketkeeper to the side.

How he lets Sarfraz turn up unfit is a bit puzzling.
 
So what happens to the depth of the batting when Yasir Shah returns?
I wouldn’t pick Yasir Shah except in Asia.

I’m sorry, but in the 9 Tests in England, NZ and Australia in 2016 and 2017 he averaged 10 with the bat and 45 with the ball.

I’d rather have Shadab Khan average 30 with the bat even if he’s an inferior bowler.

Yasir Shah can be the second spinner in Asia, in place of the fourth quick bowler.
 
The wivket keeper/bat is the weakest link, that he needs to fix by bringing in another wicketkeeper to the side.

How he lets Sarfraz turn up unfit is a bit puzzling.

I agree but he is a very good captain and his keeping was good in the last game. I like him a lot and feel he brings great value to the team however our batting looks weak with him coming in at 6.

The problems with taking him out are who captains and which keeper in the domestic game is a good enough batsman to add enough value to the team to allow the exclusion of Sarfraz.

A lot posters want him dropped and it’s easy to say drop him but suggest a solution to back up your point.

I don’t know much about the domestic game and haven’t heard anyone shouting about a WK batsman good enough to break through. I do however have an alternative solution, can we convert a batsman like Fakhar into a wicketkeeper? Atm hes not technically good enough to come in as a specialist batsman but as a WK batsman definately. The only problem with this thou is who would captain?
 
POTW [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] A lot of what you've been saying for a while has been implemented by Mickey.

Agree with most of what you've said and hosting our home games in SA is not a bad idea at all but the other reason why the UAE is preferred is due to the country being very close to Pakistan and the culture there is a little similar to Pakistan so all in all there's a feeling of home comfort to an extent. You got to remember these lads will be on the road for majority of the time and being in South Africa can potentially make them a bit Jaded. But I have a fix of my own ! England would be more ideal in that regard because the players and their family's love it here plus it also would be great based on the cricketing reasons you mention, but I think England is too expensive for the PCB Junaids compared to UAE
 
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Getting right :

1.Fitness
2.Attitude
3.Work ethic
4.Dropping unfit players
5.Dropping Shazad, Akmals,Wahab, Hafeez
6. Actually doing some proper coaching - cue the bowling lengths and the batsman’s defensive techniques look better so far

Getting wrong:

Not bothered.

Just makes you aware of what a disgrace Abdul Qadir is for his comments. Just imagine if we were coached by someone like him or Waqar.
 
POTW [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] A lot of what you've been saying for a while has been implemented by Mickey.

Agree with most of what you've said and hosting our home games in SA is not a bad idea at all but the other reason why the UAE is preferred is due to the country being very close to Pakistan and the culture there is a little similar to Pakistan so all in all there's a feeling of home comfort to an extent. You got to remember these lads will be on the road for majority of the time and being in South Africa can potentially make them a bit Jaded. But I have a fix of my own ! England would be more ideal in that regard because the players and their family's love it here plus it also would be great based on the cricketing reasons you mention, but I think England is too expensive for the PCB Junaids compared to UAE

We cannot play in England in winters.
 
We cannot play in England in winters.

Oh yeah forgot to point that out, big scheduling conflict but am sure a deal could potentially be worked out between the ECB and PCB; however we could be losing more money potentially but we could be making more to
 
Oh yeah forgot to point that out, big scheduling conflict but am sure a deal could potentially be worked out between the ECB and PCB; however we could be losing more money potentially but we could be making more to

But where will we play in winters if not in UAE. South Africa is the only viable option for us.
 
Oh yeah forgot to point that out, big scheduling conflict but am sure a deal could potentially be worked out between the ECB and PCB; however we could be losing more money potentially but we could be making more to

I don't think the ECB will ever let us host again anyway. Last time they did, we repaid them with the spot fixing scandal and our chairman accusing their players of being involved.
 
Mickey will lose us a lot of tests in Asia if he does not realize that you need to play at the least 2 spinners on those phatta tracks. For some reason he doesn't see much in M. Asghar who is a fingerspinner!

In Asia it should be like this: 2 genuine pacers, 2 spinners, allrounder (Faheem). You could also swap Shadab for Faheem and then add another pacer but I would prefer a fingerspinner for the sake of variety.

Also regarding Wahab, I think he still has a lot to offer on those UAE phattas. He won us a lot of games in the UAE with his hostile spells. I am all for Mickey's ideas, but I do hope he realizes this and keeps Amir, Hasan away from UAE tests with a world cup to be played soon.
 
Oh god.


First of all, let me add, Faheem Ashraf was still raw. THere was no allroudner during Misbah's tenure.

Plus, 4 bowler is the right strategy for UAE and spinning wickets.

I find it hilarious how this guy could say occasional innings, when its proven Misbah was a consistent batsmen.


I would also like to add that the same poster bashed Misbah's innings in Lords last time and said that the English bowlers were out of form this and that and yet would praise this win.

Thus, hypocrite.

Pakistan winning in UAE has been attributed to playing 2 spinners.
 
Mickey will lose us a lot of tests in Asia if he does not realize that you need to play at the least 2 spinners on those phatta tracks. For some reason he doesn't see much in M. Asghar who is a fingerspinner!

In Asia it should be like this: 2 genuine pacers, 2 spinners, allrounder (Faheem). You could also swap Shadab for Faheem and then add another pacer but I would prefer a fingerspinner for the sake of variety.

Also regarding Wahab, I think he still has a lot to offer on those UAE phattas. He won us a lot of games in the UAE with his hostile spells. I am all for Mickey's ideas, but I do hope he realizes this and keeps Amir, Hasan away from UAE tests with a world cup to be played soon.

Yeah, I like this combination for UAE. Two pacers who can reverse it, a finger spinner, a wrist spinner and an allrounder:

7. Fahim Ashraf
8. Zafar Gohar
9. Yasir
10. Wahab
11. Abbas

We can even consider someone like Talat for #7.
 
Yeah, I like this combination for UAE. Two pacers who can reverse it, a finger spinner, a wrist spinner and an allrounder:

7. Fahim Ashraf
8. Zafar Gohar
9. Yasir
10. Wahab
11. Abbas

We can even consider someone like Talat for #7.

Exactly. I truly hope that Mickey keeps Amir, Hasan away from the UAE games in order to preserve them for the big occasions. Also no one can ignore the fact that Wahab and Yasir have been phenomenal for us in the UAE. Abbas is our test specialist so he should be there regardless of the wicket/venue.

Knowing Mickey he will go for Yasir + Shadab and then an extra pacer. He is a South African and fast bowling is what he understands best!
 
Yeah, I like this combination for UAE. Two pacers who can reverse it, a finger spinner, a wrist spinner and an allrounder:

7. Fahim Ashraf
8. Zafar Gohar
9. Yasir
10. Wahab
11. Abbas

We can even consider someone like Talat for #7.


You selected Wahab Riaz in your side. :facepalm: x 1000
 
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Mickey Arthur has turned into a superb coach of Pakistan.

They haven't got a decent finger spinner to speak of, several of the batsmen are mediocre against spin bowling and the best bowlers are quicks. Yasir Shah is okay on a dry wicket outside Asia, but he can't bat, and frankly we have seen in England and Ireland that outside Asia you get as much out of Shadab Khan - because of his batting - as you do out of Yasir Shah.

Pakistan don't play bilateral series with India. They don't have any sort of home advantage in Asia against Sri Lanka or Bangladesh.

So why do they need to play in the UAE at all other than when hosting England or Australia? Why not use small (and cheap, and available) venues in Mickey Arthur's native South Africa, where conditions might actually suit Pakistan - and prepare them for tours to Australia and South Africa.

The part about Yasir is the only thing that is off in your analysis. He was poor in Australia, but indispensable in England, where he bowled Pakistan to a win singlehandedly in one Tests. Shadab has not put in that kind of performance yet and signs are that he has more to learn before he will. If Yasir is fit I think it is very difficult to keep him out of a Pakistani Test XI, he has been our only outright matchwinner before the emergence of Abbas. But this means questions about who to exclude?
 
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Mickey will lose us a lot of tests in Asia if he does not realize that you need to play at the least 2 spinners on those phatta tracks. For some reason he doesn't see much in M. Asghar who is a fingerspinner!

In Asia it should be like this: 2 genuine pacers, 2 spinners, allrounder (Faheem). You could also swap Shadab for Faheem and then add another pacer but I would prefer a fingerspinner for the sake of variety.

Also regarding Wahab, I think he still has a lot to offer on those UAE phattas. He won us a lot of games in the UAE with his hostile spells. I am all for Mickey's ideas, but I do hope he realizes this and keeps Amir, Hasan away from UAE tests with a world cup to be played soon.

Wahab won us a lot of games when? I can't think of a single one in which he put in the kind of performance that could be called match winning. "Significant contribution", "momentum changing," yes, but that is it. He has never been a consistent match winner. Hasan has far greater potential as a Test bowler than Wahab, we can already see that. Aint nothing Wahab can do that Hasan can't also do, skill wise, or am I missing something?
 
Wahab won us a lot of games when? I can't think of a single one in which he put in the kind of performance that could be called match winning. "Significant contribution", "momentum changing," yes, but that is it. He has never been a consistent match winner. Hasan has far greater potential as a Test bowler than Wahab, we can already see that. Aint nothing Wahab can do that Hasan can't also do, skill wise, or am I missing something?

That's the thing. Why toil Hasan on those phattas while you have Wahab who can provide you those hostile spells in order to trouble the opposition. We also have a WC coming up so I would be careful with both Amir and Hasan.

Wahab is a temporarily thing but he got pace and reverse swing. Make use of it on those phattas (UAE wickets) while it lasts. Hasan is a superior bowler without any doubt but I would not make my best pacers play every other game there.
 
Hasan Ali looked down on pace and fire in the second innings. Even Abbass looked short on pace but these deficiencies were covered because Abbass doesn't really need pace in these conditions and because Amir finally bowled with pace and did his job. We also finally played with 5 bowlers including 4 pacers which game everyone adequate rest. We will not get this lucky again. In situations when there is a partnership and when the pitch is flat, the sameness in the bowling attack can hurt us. Wahab with his pace can provide us with reverse swing and a different option and Wahab played a crucial role in the 4th innings victory on the 2016 England tour. But it appears that his days with Pakistan are numbered given that he is no longer in Mickey Arthurs good books.
 
We are going to be playing in Asia and that won't change. So Mickey will have to adapt to those conditions and select the team based on those conditions.
 
He has to look to develop at least 2 bowlers that can hit 90mph on a regular basis. On flat wickets the attack from Lords would be too one dimensional, he needs to develop both an off spinner and a left arm orthodox. He also needs to get Fakhar into the team sooner rather than later and develop him into a good test player.
 
He has to look to develop at least 2 bowlers that can hit 90mph on a regular basis. On flat wickets the attack from Lords would be too one dimensional, he needs to develop both an off spinner and a left arm orthodox. He also needs to get Fakhar into the team sooner rather than later and develop him into a good test player.

Two 90 MPH bowlers: Shaheen and Arshad Iqbal.

Off-Spinner: Agha Salman.

Left-Arm-Orthodox: Asghar and or Hasan Khan.
 
Mickey will lose us a lot of tests in Asia if he does not realize that you need to play at the least 2 spinners on those phatta tracks. For some reason he doesn't see much in M. Asghar who is a fingerspinner!

In Asia it should be like this: 2 genuine pacers, 2 spinners, allrounder (Faheem). You could also swap Shadab for Faheem and then add another pacer but I would prefer a fingerspinner for the sake of variety.

Also regarding Wahab, I think he still has a lot to offer on those UAE phattas. He won us a lot of games in the UAE with his hostile spells. I am all for Mickey's ideas, but I do hope he realizes this and keeps Amir, Hasan away from UAE tests with a world cup to be played soon.

Fair post.

In his recent interviews, Mickey suggested that in Asia, both Yasir and Shadab will play in the same team. IMO that's almost as bad as the decision to go with a 3 pacers attack like we did against Sri Lanka.
 
Yeah, I like this combination for UAE. Two pacers who can reverse it, a finger spinner, a wrist spinner and an allrounder:

7. Fahim Ashraf
8. Zafar Gohar
9. Yasir
10. Wahab
11. Abbas

We can even consider someone like Talat for #7.

I'm not sure Fahim is the right option in Asia. His batting isn't good enough for those rank turners.

Shadab
Yasir
Wahab
(2nd spinner)
Abbas

is a much better attack in the UAE
 
I'm not sure Fahim is the right option in Asia. His batting isn't good enough for those rank turners.

Shadab
Yasir
Wahab
(2nd spinner)
Abbas

is a much better attack in the UAE

This is probably better. I'm a little biased towards Faheem because I like his style of batting but Shadab is probably a more dependable batsman.
 
This is probably better. I'm a little biased towards Faheem because I like his style of batting but Shadab is probably a more dependable batsman.

The only issue with my team is, who will share the new ball with Abbas?

I'm not sure Wahab would be willing to / even has the ability.
 
The only issue with my team is, who will share the new ball with Abbas?

I'm not sure Wahab would be willing to / even has the ability.

The reason Mickey, being a South African, will go for another pacer instead of giving the new ball to Faheem. So someone like Mir Hamza could debut.

Hope Mickey realizes it's Aus and not some Asian side as the Aussies are clueless against spinners.
 
Fair post.

In his recent interviews, Mickey suggested that in Asia, both Yasir and Shadab will play in the same team. IMO that's almost as bad as the decision to go with a 3 pacers attack like we did against Sri Lanka.

Two leggies is a bad idea as leg spinners tend to be leaky. We need another spinner who can mostly keep it tight while chipping in with the odd wickets i.e. a left arm spinner or an off spinner.
 
Oh god.


First of all, let me add, Faheem Ashraf was still raw. THere was no allroudner during Misbah's tenure.

Plus, 4 bowler is the right strategy for UAE and spinning wickets.

I find it hilarious how this guy could say occasional innings, when its proven Misbah was a consistent batsmen.


I would also like to add that the same poster bashed Misbah's innings in Lords last time and said that the English bowlers were out of form this and that and yet would praise this win.

Thus, hypocrite.

Pakistan winning in UAE has been attributed to playing 2 spinners.

He's talking facts bro. You need to move on from this defensive mindset whenever it's about Misbah. He is subject to criticism. Just like the Channel 9 commentary team there is more of it to come as Mickey + Sarfraz have already shown everyone the difference in the fortunes for e.g. CT win and success in tests outside Asia. Misbah couldn't even grab a series win in Zimbabwe. The least you can do is acknowledge he was also an ODI failure as captain.

I know it hurts to see all this success come without Misbah because he's been ruthlessly exposed now and there's no denying it. Let Misbah's sinking ship go and get behind Sarfraz and Mickey.

The 3 reasons why Misbah wouldn't achieve this success are as follows:

1. Passive
2. Prefer seniors as opposed to new blood
3. Defensive mindset as captain
4 Tactical failure - for e.g. bowling Yasir to the ground
 
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Two leggies is a bad idea as leg spinners tend to be leaky. We need another spinner who can mostly keep it tight while chipping in with the odd wickets i.e. a left arm spinner or an off spinner.

The only way Yasir and Shadab can feature in the same team is if Shadab plays as the 3rd spinner, as an all rounder at 7.
 
I agree. We need to get out of UAE. These guys aren’t good players of spin and it totally renders our pacers useless.
 
the ODI team is far from a top team ... we got walloped by Kiwis in previous bilateral match up due to terrible top order selections ... Jury is still out on Mickey and Inzi's selections for the most critical format ... don't care about tests a lot ... T20s we have historically done well but ODIs are a mess still despite the CT win ... But I believe things are headed in right direction in ODIs with anticipated selections of Hussain Talat and few others.
 
Also PCB missed a golden chance back in 2013 to forge stronger ties with CSA when we played SA quite a bit from 2010-13 ... I too have been wanting us to play some home series in either SA or UK exclusively even if they are at lesser known venues because it would give our batsmen the best match experience and improve their skills for such conditions.
 
The only way Yasir and Shadab can feature in the same team is if Shadab plays as the 3rd spinner, as an all rounder at 7.

Shadab won't be bowling a lot of overs. Yasir is still going to be bowling the bulk of the overs given his experience, control. Shadab still doesn't inspire much confidence in the longer format, I suspect that while he might chip in with the odd wicket or two but he will be too impatient and leaky, the other spinner will be the other guy bowling the bulk of the overs.
 
Oh god.


First of all, let me add, Faheem Ashraf was still raw. THere was no allroudner during Misbah's tenure.

Plus, 4 bowler is the right strategy for UAE and spinning wickets.

I find it hilarious how this guy could say occasional innings, when its proven Misbah was a consistent batsmen.


I would also like to add that the same poster bashed Misbah's innings in Lords last time and said that the English bowlers were out of form this and that and yet would praise this win.

Thus, hypocrite.

Pakistan winning in UAE has been attributed to playing 2 spinners.
just check Misbah overseas record very patchy
 
Mickey’s biggest contribution is that he could trim off experience & bring down the average age of the squad. It would have been much better could he do it couple of years back, at his start, but I guess first he needed something under his feet to start the dog fight.

Long may it last.
 
Two leggies is a bad idea as leg spinners tend to be leaky. We need another spinner who can mostly keep it tight while chipping in with the odd wickets i.e. a left arm spinner or an off spinner.

This is absurd. Shadab is good enough as a batsman, so omitting him because he can also bowl well will hardly help.

Yasir is the best spinner and so has to play.
 
This is absurd. Shadab is good enough as a batsman, so omitting him because he can also bowl well will hardly help.

Yasir is the best spinner and so has to play.

Only in Asia.

This is Yasir Shah's Test record against decent opposition outside Asia:

Lords 2016: did well on a helpful wicket
Old Trafford: rubbish
Edgbaston: rubbish
The Oval: did well on a helpful wicket
Hamilton: rubbish
Christchurch: dropped
Brisbane: rubbish
Melbourne: rubbish
Sydney: rubbish

If the leg-spinner is going to average 40+ with the ball, just pick Shadab Khan instead and at least he will score you plenty of middle-order runs.
 
Only in Asia.

This is Yasir Shah's Test record against decent opposition outside Asia:

Lords 2016: did well on a helpful wicket
Old Trafford: rubbish
Edgbaston: rubbish
The Oval: did well on a helpful wicket
Hamilton: rubbish
Christchurch: dropped
Brisbane: rubbish
Melbourne: rubbish
Sydney: rubbish

If the leg-spinner is going to average 40+ with the ball, just pick Shadab Khan instead and at least he will score you plenty of middle-order runs.

I was talking about his Asia performance. I don't think there's much room for Yasir outside, because Shadab is a good bat and that matters more.
 
I was talking about his Asia performance. I don't think there's much room for Yasir outside, because Shadab is a good bat and that matters more.

It's a strange situation, isn't it?

Outside Asia, Pakistan needs 4 quicks and 1 spinner who can bat. In South Africa this Christmas I'd stick to the template from Lords, except I'd bring in Shaheen Shah Afridi for Hasan Ali:

7. Shadab Khan
8. Faheem Ashraf
9. Mohammad Amir
10. Shaheen Shah Afridi
11. Mohammad Abbas

Given that South Africa has just lost AB De Villiers and Morne Morkel, I think that Pakistan team could easily win.

The problem is, in Asia Pakistan needs two top spinners and probably should rest Mohammad Amir.

I'm thinking in the UAE:

7. Zafar Gohar
8. Faheem Ashraf
9. Yasir Shah
10. Mohammad Asghar
11. Wahab Riaz

The personnel required are completely different!
 
It's a strange situation, isn't it?

Outside Asia, Pakistan needs 4 quicks and 1 spinner who can bat. In South Africa this Christmas I'd stick to the template from Lords, except I'd bring in Shaheen Shah Afridi for Hasan Ali:

7. Shadab Khan
8. Faheem Ashraf
9. Mohammad Amir
10. Shaheen Shah Afridi
11. Mohammad Abbas

Given that South Africa has just lost AB De Villiers and Morne Morkel, I think that Pakistan team could easily win.

The problem is, in Asia Pakistan needs two top spinners and probably should rest Mohammad Amir.

I'm thinking in the UAE:

7. Zafar Gohar
8. Faheem Ashraf
9. Yasir Shah
10. Mohammad Asghar
11. Wahab Riaz

The personnel required are completely different!

Shadab Khan is an automatic selection.

Mickey might pick him for the wrong reason of rating him for his bowling, but even on merit Shadab is the first name on the list because he is as good as the main batsmen at batting.
 
Some interesting ideas mentioned - I agree that we have to go horses for courses with our team selection in Asia vs outside Asia.

Given the talk of managing the workloads of fast bowlers, namely Mohammad Amir and Hasan Ali who play all three formats currently, I say rotate them in Asia so one of them partners Mohammad Abbas with the new ball.

As for the number of spinners - Mickey has to remember that in the UAE on those dead wickets we've played up to three and won Tests. I know South African mentality is to dominate the opposition with pace but you have to adapt selection to conditions. I wouldn't have a spin attack consisting of just Yasir and Shadab as two leggies would be too monotonous as we saw in Barbados last year.

So against New Zealand in the UAE in the autumn I'd go:

Azhar Ali, Imam-ul-Haq, Haris Sohail, Asad Shafiq, Babar Azam, Shadab Khan, Sarfraz Ahmed, Yasir Shah, Zafar Gohar or Raza Hasan, Mohammad Amir or Hasan Ali, Mohammad Abbas.
 
The thing that Mickey really did right was get Fakhar in the team.

Sharjeel shoulda coulda woulda been a better player, but Fakhar is the poster boy of the fitness regime and possible a "teacher's pet" in a good kinda way.

With the bat, he just changed the Champions trophy and rest as they say is only history being scribbled for us to glorify it later.
 
The thing that Mickey really did right was get Fakhar in the team.

Sharjeel shoulda coulda woulda been a better player, but Fakhar is the poster boy of the fitness regime and possible a "teacher's pet" in a good kinda way.

With the bat, he just changed the Champions trophy and rest as they say is only history being scribbled for us to glorify it later.

Plus he was a massive upgrade on the 'opener' that he replaced :shezzy
 
That's the thing. Why toil Hasan on those phattas while you have Wahab who can provide you those hostile spells in order to trouble the opposition. We also have a WC coming up so I would be careful with both Amir and Hasan.

Wahab is a temporarily thing but he got pace and reverse swing. Make use of it on those phattas (UAE wickets) while it lasts. Hasan is a superior bowler without any doubt but I would not make my best pacers play every other game there.

The main criterion for selecting a bowler should be his likelihood of doing well. Assuming that we actually still want to win Tests in the UAE. Wahab's "pace and swing" has so far earned him a pretty underwhelming 25 wickets in 7 Tests in the UAE, or about 3.5 wickets a Test at an average of 30. That's pretty mediocre. Whatever you think he's got, it ain't working well enough to take wickets.
 
Surprised our awaam lays the blame solely on Mickey for playing one spinner in th UAE when there’s a qualified bowling coach who is well aware of the conditions in the UAE. Why isn’t the blame split equally between coaches?
 
The main criterion for selecting a bowler should be his likelihood of doing well. Assuming that we actually still want to win Tests in the UAE. Wahab's "pace and swing" has so far earned him a pretty underwhelming 25 wickets in 7 Tests in the UAE, or about 3.5 wickets a Test at an average of 30. That's pretty mediocre. Whatever you think he's got, it ain't working well enough to take wickets.

Ask Misbah.
I don't like Wahab and would rather never have him, but I got to give him credit for those hostile spells which changed the momentum for Pak in the UAE on those flat phattas. Misbah also has given Wahab credit for those contributions allowing Yasir etc. to fire.

You can try playing Amir, Hasan in every game and hope that one of them doesnt get injured for a very long time. It doesn't seem wise to me to waste such resources on those dust bowls.

If there is someone else who can do that job then that would be awesome, but doubt that we have many guys in our domestic set up with that pace.
 
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