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1) 30-40K additional troops brought into the state.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nd...-000-strong-push-2079007?amp=1&akamai-rum=off

2) Engaging Pakistan at the border by heavy shelling.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dawn.com/news/amp/1496892

3) Indian Airforce asked to be on high alert.
https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1157139632292655105?s=19

4) Now an executive order asking tourists and pilgrims to cut short their visit and flee Kashmir ASAP.

https://twitter.com/ahmedalifayyaz/status/1157235264126738432?s=19

What the hell is going on? India creating panic and crushing Kashmir's economy by openly releasing such orders asking tourists to leave.
 
Seems to be some kind of Modi plan, an equivalent to his demonification plan, where a chai wala is given power to put his plan into action and nobody bothers to correct him.
 
Some are guessing that all this is ensure they can hoist the indian flag on the 15th of august. The economy is experiencing a slowdown. Good time to hypnotise a nation into mass euphoria.
 
Goobal community and leaders starting to realise and admit that extremism isn't exclusive to Islamic Extremist groups. Modi is treading to wrong side of history.
 
they appear to be preparing to commit an ethnic cleansing of the area. and then announce a referundum.
 
People are flowing towards markets to get necessary things like rice, oil etc. Oil pumps are flooded with people. Chaos everywhere.
They have told tourists to leave kashmir they are planning something fishy.
As usual there will be protests, curfews, killings, net blockade even phones will be disconnected
 
Stay safe [MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] and other Kashmiri brothers.
 
No wonder Modi is looking to divert people's attention with war hysteria, their auto sales have been experiencing double digit decline in the last three months. Unemployment is at 50 year high and there are voices emanating from India itself that government has repeatedly fudged growth figures claiming to be 7+ when infact the growth was near 4-5.
 
15th August is coming. It's a general safety that is taken in terrorist torn areas. Kashmir isn't the only state where these kind of safety is implemented.
 
Stay safe [MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] and other Kashmiri brothers.

Thanks.

I just came from outside. People are rushing enmasse to stock essential commodities for next couple of months. There is so much panic on the roads. Traffic jams everywhere. I could barely get hold of a bag of foodgrains myself.

Some of the sources are saying they want to start a small scale war with Pakistan. It has to do with Trump's planned visit to Pakistan. But these are just rumours as of now.
[MENTION=132658]m.shah[/MENTION] How are you holding up?
 
Rumours so far :

1) 35A will be removed.

2) Trifurcation of the state will take place with Jammu being made a seperate state while Kashmir and Ladakh will become union territories directly controlled by central government in India.

3) Delimitation will take place and number of seats in Jammu will be increased.

4) India is planning small scale war with Pakistan to divert attention from number of issues and also has to do with Trump's planned visit to Pak.
 
Rumours so far :

1) 35A will be removed.

2) Trifurcation of the state will take place with Jammu being made a seperate state while Kashmir and Ladakh will become union territories directly controlled by central government in India.

3) Delimitation will take place and number of seats in Jammu will be increased.

4) India is planning small scale war with Pakistan to divert attention from number of issues and also has to do with Trump's planned visit to Pak.

1 and 2 in combination seem plausible, hopefully in the end its not just for flag hoisting.
 
Thanks.

I just came from outside. People are rushing enmasse to stock essential commodities for next couple of months. There is so much panic on the roads. Traffic jams everywhere. I could barely get hold of a bag of foodgrains myself.

Some of the sources are saying they want to start a small scale war with Pakistan. It has to do with Trump's planned visit to Pakistan. But these are just rumours as of now.

[MENTION=132658]m.shah[/MENTION] How are you holding up?

Same here brother in pulwama so many rumors, hysteria is created . People are Rushing everywhere. There is so much rush everywhere that u can barely get hand at something. Hum kashmiryu k kitne gunah h☹️
 
*Airports Authority of India (AAI) spokesperson to ANI: Srinagar Airport Director has called a meeting of Special Airport Security Committee after security advisory issued by Government of Jammu & Kashmir.* _INPUTS FROM ANI_
 
1 and 2 in combination seem plausible, hopefully in the end its not just for flag hoisting.

It will be totally unconstitutional if it happens. By force India can do anything though.
 
Same here brother in pulwama so many rumors, hysteria is created . People are Rushing everywhere. There is so much rush everywhere that u can barely get hand at something. Hum kashmiryu k kitne gunah h☹️

Kya karav. Tawnas laig. We dont deserve this. We didnt ask for it.
 
It will be totally unconstitutional if it happens. By force India can do anything though.

Well Countries in Asia seen force work better, China and Pakistan do the same , was surprised to see even Bhutan do it to their Nepali citizens in 1998, guess somehow it doesn’t show up in media that much because of Gross domestic happiness index or some nonsense for em.

The bigot will not lose next election as well if he is able to do this , I hope you realize that.
 
Well Countries in Asia seen force work better, China and Pakistan do the same , was surprised to see even Bhutan do it to their Nepali citizens in 1998, guess somehow it doesn’t show up in media that much because of Gross domestic happiness index or some nonsense for em.

The bigot will not lose next election as well if he is able to do this , I hope you realize that.

Where has force worked better in a UN recognised dispute?
 
they appear to be preparing to commit an ethnic cleansing of the area. and then announce a referundum.
They are not preparing, but have already been carrying it out, modelled on 'Israeli style' settlement building and populating with radical Hindu elements from around India.
Eventually the referendum will award IOK to Delhi.
 
UN dispute occurred coz Nehru..diff between CPC and Congress..

UN dispute happened on merit based on ground realities and aspirations of people. You cannot brush aspirations of majority aside as easily. Nehru or no Nehru. It doesnt matter. What matters is that the dispute is a reality and is recognised by the world and was brought into effect without using force or unconstitutional means. If a solution based on aspirations of people is denied then that would paint a bad picture of India in history of the world. I cant believe a person like you is advocating inhuman measures. Perhaps nationalism is a virus which affects even the most sane.
 
UN dispute happened on merit based on ground realities and aspirations of people. You cannot brush aspirations of majority aside as easily. Nehru or no Nehru. It doesnt matter. What matters is that the dispute is a reality and is recognised by the world and was brought into effect without using force or unconstitutional means. If a solution based on aspirations of people is denied then that would paint a bad picture of India in history of the world. I cant believe a person like you is advocating inhuman measures. Perhaps nationalism is a virus which affects even the most sane.

You are probably right but isn’t Kashmiri in a bigger sense nationalism as well, also nationalism and religion debate Im sure we have gone through that.

And examples of aspiration - Catalonia, Tibet,Xinjiang
 
You are probably right but isn’t Kashmiri in a bigger sense nationalism as well, also nationalism and religion debate Im sure we have gone through that.

And examples of aspiration - Catalonia, Tibet,Xinjiang

Kashmiri is nationalism but we arent invading India and occupying it against wishes of Indians. Your nationalism is manifesting into colonialism. Dont forget, J&K was not a part of British India. Infact, ironically it was Akbar who brought J&K under mainland India.
 
Kashmiri is nationalism but we arent invading India and occupying it against wishes of Indians. Your nationalism is manifesting into colonialism. Dont forget, J&K was not a part of British India. Infact, ironically it was Akbar who brought J&K under mainland India.

Kashmir name itself is by the name of Indian yogi. It was always under bharat.
Many important temples, way older than even Islam, forget current kashmiris, has been or were present there.
 
Kashmir name itself is by the name of Indian yogi. It was always under bharat.
Many important temples, way older than even Islam, forget current kashmiris, has been or were present there.

Indonesia, Cambodia and Laos also have cities which have Indian names due to the cultural influence during the Chola Dynasty.

Doesn’t mean that they belong to India.
 
Kashmiri is nationalism but we arent invading India and occupying it against wishes of Indians. Your nationalism is manifesting into colonialism. Dont forget, J&K was not a part of British India. Infact, ironically it was Akbar who brought J&K under mainland India.

Ya, read somewhere that Kashmiris revolted against Akbar in 1586.
 
Mizoram, Himachal Pradesh, Mizoram, Nagaland all have article 370 bdw but i am sure 95% indians dont even know about it leave about creating such hysteria and removing it
 
Kashmir name itself is by the name of Indian yogi. It was always under bharat.
Many important temples, way older than even Islam, forget current kashmiris, has been or were present there.

Indian yogi? Lol nuff said. Every Hindu isnt an Indian. Get over yourself.
 
Indonesia, Cambodia and Laos also have cities which have Indian names due to the cultural influence during the Chola Dynasty.

Doesn’t mean that they belong to India.

Its stupidity of astounding proportions to suggest that because there are temples in J&K, it was always a part of India. I cant think how to even address such an argument due to the sheer stupidity of it.
 
They want to do in Kashmir what Israel is doing in the Gaza Strip. Secure the land first and then encourage settlement. This will give them greater leverage whenever actual talks start.
Modi seems very smitten by all things Israeli.
 
They want to do in Kashmir what Israel is doing in the Gaza Strip. Secure the land first and then encourage settlement. This will give them greater leverage whenever actual talks start.
Modi seems very smitten by all things Israeli.

Hindutva people have always admired Zionism, their leader Veer Savarkar loved Israel. Nothing new.
 
Indonesia, Cambodia and Laos also have cities which have Indian names due to the cultural influence during the Chola Dynasty.

Doesn’t mean that they belong to India.

So it belongs to Pakistan then, which itself belongs to bharat? People who have identity crisis should not teach histories to others.

Kashmir is named after rishi kashyap centuries back and kashmiri pandit should have this land, who were thrown back or killed by terrorists
 
Kashmiri is nationalism but we arent invading India and occupying it against wishes of Indians. Your nationalism is manifesting into colonialism. Dont forget, J&K was not a part of British India. Infact, ironically it was Akbar who brought J&K under mainland India.

Not disagreeing with anything you are saying, but all this what you and i have are biased towards religion, nation etc, lets not forget breaking up of Punjab, Sindh , Bengal.. the subcontinent coz wishes of the founders and Britain.

And now many Kashmiris wanna join Pakistan majority Punjabis jus coz religion, same Punjab which divided Punjabis based on religion and threw away others, Sindhis and Bengalis same.

I would had been happy if SC was based on regionalism than religion or nationalism but its not, India would erupt coz Kashmir has many religious places of Hindus not forgetting the name like Srinagar,Kashmir..
 
They want to do in Kashmir what Israel is doing in the Gaza Strip. Secure the land first and then encourage settlement. This will give them greater leverage whenever actual talks start.
Modi seems very smitten by all things Israeli.

Chinese did the same too, atleast wrt Israel people say stuff no one bats an eye lid wrt China..

If anything i would say Modi takes a leaf from CPC , similar style of functioning with power at top.
 
India is trying to Hindunise the valley. This will cause great anger and mayhem there no doubt about it.
 
Not disagreeing with anything you are saying, but all this what you and i have are biased towards religion, nation etc, lets not forget breaking up of Punjab, Sindh , Bengal.. the subcontinent coz wishes of the founders and Britain.

And now many Kashmiris wanna join Pakistan majority Punjabis jus coz religion, same Punjab which divided Punjabis based on religion and threw away others, Sindhis and Bengalis same.

I would had been happy if SC was based on regionalism than religion or nationalism but its not, India would erupt coz Kashmir has many religious places of Hindus not forgetting the name like Srinagar,Kashmir..

I dont understand your point or the equivalences that you are making here.

Your (or any Indian's) opinion on Kashmir doesnt matter at all. I know its hard to accept for you but it isnt hard to understand. We can join Pakistan, china or America based on religion , nationalism or fast food. You have nothing to do with what we choose as our fate. However, i get your point. You are saying if other countries are doing genocides, why not India? Thats fine. But then come out clear and say that you want India to commit genocide in Kashmir.
 
So it belongs to Pakistan then, which itself belongs to bharat? People who have identity crisis should not teach histories to others.

Kashmir is named after rishi kashyap centuries back and kashmiri pandit should have this land, who were thrown back or killed by terrorists

The name India itself comes from Sindh, Pakistan so how does Pakistan belong to India? :)

Pakistan belongs to Pakistanis. You’re once again showing your Hindutva colours by claiming that the entire South Asia rightfully belongs to you guys.

I don’t have an identity crisis, nor do the majority of Pakistanis.
 
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I dont understand your point or the equivalences that you are making here.

Your (or any Indian's) opinion on Kashmir doesnt matter at all. I know its hard to accept for you but it isnt hard to understand. We can join Pakistan, china or America based on religion , nationalism or fast food. You have nothing to do with what we choose as our fate. However, i get your point. You are saying if other countries are doing genocides, why not India? Thats fine. But then come out clear and say that you want India to commit genocide in Kashmir.

I prefer India pull out 90% troops , and Kashmiris protest and ask for plebiscite as much without stone fr how many years ever required and status quo remain..

Point of equivalence is imp here coz of your difference on opinion on topics..
 
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US/UK/Russia wont solve it, if not by talk, thn it will be resolve by war, and mind you the day Chinese think they need the land by hook or crook, there will be no stopping, China is going to interefer in the end. Mark it.
 
US/UK/Russia wont solve it, if not by talk, thn it will be resolve by war, and mind you the day Chinese think they need the land by hook or crook, there will be no stopping, China is going to interefer in the end. Mark it.

India is nuclear , China is nuclear, Pak is nuclear lol no one is interfering directly, indirectly China already does...
 
I prefer India pull out 90% troops , and Kashmiris protest and ask for plebiscite as much without stone fr how many years ever required and status quo remain..

Point of equivalence is imp here coz of your difference on opinion on topics..

But you would defend anything from your terrorist Army in the name of what ABC or XYZ has done before.
 
But you would defend anything from your terrorist Army in the name of what ABC or XYZ has done before.

I respect the army thats my personal bias, similar to your personal bias for ones you might have historically religious or current Pak ones ..defending or no defending are based on individual cases.
 
US/UK/Russia wont solve it, if not by talk, thn it will be resolve by war, and mind you the day Chinese think they need the land by hook or crook, there will be no stopping, China is going to interefer in the end. Mark it.

The Chinese are a very pragmatic people. I would caution our Pakistani friends to not take it for granted that China shall intercede on Pakistan's behalf, especially during an armed conflict with India. It NEVER has.

Even during the Kargil crisis, China adopted an hands off policy. In fact its position during Kargil was that any country whose forces ingressed into the territory of the neighboring country should unilaterally withdraw back into its own territory.

China understands its growing stature as a world power and from what I have observed it acts like a Senior Statesman when its own sovereignty and territorial integrity are not challenged.
 
I prefer India pull out 90% troops , and Kashmiris protest and ask for plebiscite as much without stone fr how many years ever required and status quo remain..

Thats your opinion. But your previous posts didnt suggest this because you kept bringing in other countries and how they kill people.

Point of equivalence is imp here coz of your difference on opinion on topics..
But the equivalence you are making is false. You are discounting numerous important factors to create equivalences which arent there.
 
[MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] do you see what is happening today? What India is doing? Asking tourists to get out ASAP, asking pilgrims to get out, asking non-muslim students in NITs and other institutions to get out of Kashmir? Reason, they are at risk, for safety, security etc. Providing them state transport corporation's buses to get them out. Airlifting them. The same was done by fear mongering 30 years ago when Pandits were taken out of Kashmir. This has been our stance eversince. You guys dont know because we didnt have social media back then so you could have been fed anything. I am quoting you instead of other Indian posters because you have a skeptic mind. I am not asking you to believe our stance 100% but just remember, there are always two sides to the story. And the side of the powerful will always be forced upon you.
 
[MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] do you see what is happening today? What India is doing? Asking tourists to get out ASAP, asking pilgrims to get out, asking non-muslim students in NITs and other institutions to get out of Kashmir? Reason, they are at risk, for safety, security etc. Providing them state transport corporation's buses to get them out. Airlifting them. The same was done by fear mongering 30 years ago when Pandits were taken out of Kashmir. This has been our stance eversince. You guys dont know because we didnt have social media back then so you could have been fed anything. I am quoting you instead of other Indian posters because you have a skeptic mind. I am not asking you to believe our stance 100% but just remember, there are always two sides to the story. And the side of the powerful will always be forced upon you.

Could be true maybe the PM then didn’t want to seem weak like the ones before and crush the movement before forming the base , from my standpoint the issue is the belief there is no militancy yet so many terrorist issues have occurred and i feel Kashmiri Pandits should have a say in this theory as well.

Now coming to armory, to give an example Maoists nd Naxalites are considered to be militants but have you checked their armory , most of the time it’s pretty tame to ones what is available in Kashmir, so the stance has been its an i grown movement, but where are the weapons and money coming from.

But as i said before my bias will always remain, Im from a family where grandparents have served the army, my issue with army is AFSPA which i want removed everywhere, Im good with removal of it, and going back to status quo.

You are right about two sides to story, and i would say there are much more sides to it Im not blaming anyone here but I know if I would had been a weak Army leader and probably caused Kashmir to break away long ago because of belief world might be fair.
 
Chinese did the same too, atleast wrt Israel people say stuff no one bats an eye lid wrt China..

If anything i would say Modi takes a leaf from CPC , similar style of functioning with power at top.

I don’t mean to imply that I pass moral judgment on it. But yes you could add China to the list as well
 
Hindutva people have always admired Zionism, their leader Veer Savarkar loved Israel. Nothing new.


It’s a complicated relationship; they love the Mein Kampf as well - seems to be a regular best seller
 
Hindutva people have always admired Zionism, their leader Veer Savarkar loved Israel. Nothing new.

If anything its the Muslim League that inspired him to create the bigot party he created, no Israel in 1905.. but Muslim league was there..
 
Just read up on the latest preparations on the border by both Pakistan and Indian armies. Sinister developments seem to be unfolding and media on both sides are either oblivious or under instructions to not report the ground realities.

I just pray that sanity prevails on both sides.
 
Leaves for the Army have been cancelled apparently, meaning no fresh ones will be entertained.
 
I think this is related to 35A and 370. The triple talaq bill was to show BJP isn't anti Muslim. That was a precursor to something big in Kashmir against Muslim majority. They will impose a curfew and I think article 370 will be up for debate in parliament. It's a temporary provision from the beginning and is vulnerable.
 
Nothing will happen. They pump up things once a while but their only aukat is to talk.
 
Just read up on the latest preparations on the border by both Pakistan and Indian armies. Sinister developments seem to be unfolding and media on both sides are either oblivious or under instructions to not report the ground realities.

I just pray that sanity prevails on both sides.

India can start by removing the excessive number of troops for containing citizens.
 
Looks like this has something to do with Article 35A and 370.

Deploying more troops might backfire on India like it backfired on us when our army conducted Operation Zarb-e-Azb.
 
India is nuclear , China is nuclear, Pak is nuclear lol no one is interfering directly, indirectly China already does...

China hasnot interfered to get Sikkim and Arunachal, but will interfere for Kashmir. Some thinking that.
 
India is nuclear , China is nuclear, Pak is nuclear lol no one is interfering directly, indirectly China already does...

The Chinese are a very pragmatic people. I would caution our Pakistani friends to not take it for granted that China shall intercede on Pakistan's behalf, especially during an armed conflict with India. It NEVER has.

Even during the Kargil crisis, China adopted an hands off policy. In fact its position during Kargil was that any country whose forces ingressed into the territory of the neighboring country should unilaterally withdraw back into its own territory.

China understands its growing stature as a world power and from what I have observed it acts like a Senior Statesman when its own sovereignty and territorial integrity are not challenged.

China hasnot interfered to get Sikkim and Arunachal, but will interfere for Kashmir. Some thinking that.

its not 70s or 90s anymore. China will interefer directly or indirectly by any means necessary. i am saying this becoz, what i have seen and heard from Islamabad after 27th Feb. i wont go into details, TGK can confirm it if he wants.
 
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its not 70s or 90s anymore. China will interefer directly or indirectly by any means necessary. i am saying this becoz, what i have seen and heard from Islamabad after 27th Feb. i wont go into details, TGK can confirm it if he wants.

PLAF went into war time alert and this is why India did not retaliate to their two planes being shot down.
 
Didn’t Indian media make a huge fuss about the Doklam Issue two years ago?

Well, that is the point he is making. Doklams happen, but talks prevail and back to the barracks the Chinese soldiers go. Meanwhile business contacts between China and India is thriving.
 
PLAF went into war time alert and this is why India did not retaliate to their two planes being shot down.

:) PLAF went into wartime alert and no international media reported it. You do know that PLAF formations are monitored every second by satellites. These things cannot be hidden. Stop making up stuff.
 
Well, that is the point he is making. Doklams happen, but talks prevail and back to the barracks the Chinese soldiers go. Meanwhile business contacts between China and India is thriving.

Really? I checked his comment again and he was clearly saying that China hasn't interfered in Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh which they clearly did in 2017 during the Doklam Issue.

The only reason China has backed down from a face-off with India is because of it's ongoing trade war with the US, otherwise the Doklam Issue would've escalated imo.
 
Didn’t Indian media make a huge fuss about the Doklam Issue two years ago?

Doklam is Bhutanese territory. India went into Bhutan to stop China from taking bhutanese land.

As per agreement, India is treaty bound to protect Bhutan.
 
Really? I checked his comment again and he was clearly saying that China hasn't interfered in Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh which they clearly did in 2017 during the Doklam Issue.

The only reason China has backed down from a face-off with India is because of it's ongoing trade war with the US, otherwise the Doklam Issue would've escalated imo.

You need to read up.Doklam territory that India defended is Bhutanese land.

There was no US China trade war then.
 
:) PLAF went into wartime alert and no international media reported it. You do know that PLAF formations are monitored every second by satellites. These things cannot be hidden. Stop making up stuff.

Every other poster here will claim to be a warrior with line to GhQ. Lol.
 
You need to read up.Doklam territory that India defended is Bhutanese land.

There was no US China trade war then.

I know that Doklam is a disputed territory claimed by both China and Bhutan. The whole point of gaining control of Doklam was that China wants to construct roads there which would give them access to the Siliguri Corridor and thus break Northeast India from the rest of India. China is interfering in Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh.
 

Only Indians would believe that.

Tried watching Indian news to see what these radicalized extremists nationalists Hindu government trying to do to legitimize killing of innocent Kashmiri and I had to switch the channel within next 30 second.

After feb 27th, nothing coming out of India Could be believed.
 
Really? I checked his comment again and he was clearly saying that China hasn't interfered in Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh which they clearly did in 2017 during the Doklam Issue.

The only reason China has backed down from a face-off with India is because of it's ongoing trade war with the US, otherwise the Doklam Issue would've escalated imo.

Good Lord, how difficult is it to understand simple statements, without getting caught up in semantics. As I read it, his comment implied that it is too presumptuous on the part of Pakistanis to expect China to interfere/intercede/fight to achieve Pakistan's objective of balkanizing Indian Kashmir, when China's own claims over territories within India (Sikkim/Arunachal) remain unachieved.

In other words, if China had to expend capital (Political/Military/Economic) on breaking loose Indian territories, won't it expend said capital to first free territories from India that China covets, instead of focussing first on cutting loose Indian territories that Pakistan covets.

Stop nitpicking words from someone's post. Well, if you want to dream on that the Chinese are going to spill the blood of their soldiers to achieve Pakistan's objective of getting Indian Kashmir, you are free to do so. I for one am yet to see evidence of such Chinese magnanimity for Pakistan, on the ground.

In 1962 India and China went to war. Three years later in 1965 Pakistan and India were at war. Did China interfere militarily, economically, or otherwise on Pakistan's behalf? NO. China maintained silence and equi-distance from Pakistan and India, letting them to fight it out among themselves. Ditto with the 1971 Indo-Pak war, when China's good friend Pakistan was being cut into two by the Indian Army, and China merely looked on. Various nations helped Pakistan. Various nations helped India. China remained neutral. Focussing instead on developing itself.

When Kargil happened, the Chinese again adopted a hands off policy. When they did make a statement it was an oblique critique of Pakistan's tactics. China asked forces who had stealthily entered into the other nation's territories to withdraw back into their own territories in the interest of world peace.

Even during the recent standoff between India and Pakistan, China adopted a neutral stance, and asked both countries to maintain peace.

But we are all free to draw conclusions that make us feel happy. Aren't we?

My friendly advice to my Pakistani friends is this. If you feel so strongly about Liberating Indian Kashmir, first try and become strong yourself so that you develop the ABILITY and the SELF CONFIDENCE to get the job done yourself.

As long as you keep indulging in 'khayali pulao banana' (living in a dream world) that one day uncle China or Uncle Amreeka will come galloping astride a dazzling white horse with a large sword in hand to carve out Indian Kashmir and lob it on your waiting lap, you will continue to remain disappointed. Don't expect some superpower to carve out Indian Kashmir and gift wrap it for you, like a benevolent uncle brings a lollipop to an undeserving little boy. Stop living in some 'Alice in wonderland' dreamworld.

Time to either man up, wear your big boy shorts, and achieve your objectives yourself. And if your dreams and desires and well beyond your capabilities, then either work on your capabilities till the little birdie's wings grow stronger, so she can fly away to her goals.

Else, if you hear a voice inside your head saying, 'Beta, yeh tum se nahin ho payega' ('Son, this is clearly beyond you'), then just give up and continue administering those little cross border pin ****** to India.

Just keep in mind that as the elephant keeps growing in size it shall feel those little pin ****** even less, and increasingly ignore the little prankster. Unless the day comes when the elephant has time on its hand to spare, with nothing else to do, and decides to squish away the little petulant prankster, before strolling away on its own merry way.
 
Good Lord, how difficult is it to understand simple statements, without getting caught up in semantics. As I read it, his comment implied that it is too presumptuous on the part of Pakistanis to expect China to interfere/intercede/fight to achieve Pakistan's objective of balkanizing Indian Kashmir, when China's own claims over territories within India (Sikkim/Arunachal) remain unachieved.

In other words, if China had to expend capital (Political/Military/Economic) on breaking loose Indian territories, won't it expend said capital to first free territories from India that China covets, instead of focussing first on cutting loose Indian territories that Pakistan covets.

Stop nitpicking words from someone's post. Well, if you want to dream on that the Chinese are going to spill the blood of their soldiers to achieve Pakistan's objective of getting Indian Kashmir, you are free to do so. I for one am yet to see evidence of such Chinese magnanimity for Pakistan, on the ground.

In 1962 India and China went to war. Three years later in 1965 Pakistan and India were at war. Did China interfere militarily, economically, or otherwise on Pakistan's behalf? NO. China maintained silence and equi-distance from Pakistan and India, letting them to fight it out among themselves. Ditto with the 1971 Indo-Pak war, when China's good friend Pakistan was being cut into two by the Indian Army, and China merely looked on. Various nations helped Pakistan. Various nations helped India. China remained neutral. Focussing instead on developing itself.

When Kargil happened, the Chinese again adopted a hands off policy. When they did make a statement it was an oblique critique of Pakistan's tactics. China asked forces who had stealthily entered into the other nation's territories to withdraw back into their own territories in the interest of world peace.

Even during the recent standoff between India and Pakistan, China adopted a neutral stance, and asked both countries to maintain peace.

But we are all free to draw conclusions that make us feel happy. Aren't we?

My friendly advice to my Pakistani friends is this. If you feel so strongly about Liberating Indian Kashmir, first try and become strong yourself so that you develop the ABILITY and the SELF CONFIDENCE to get the job done yourself.

As long as you keep indulging in 'khayali pulao banana' (living in a dream world) that one day uncle China or Uncle Amreeka will come galloping astride a dazzling white horse with a large sword in hand to carve out Indian Kashmir and lob it on your waiting lap, you will continue to remain disappointed. Don't expect some superpower to carve out Indian Kashmir and gift wrap it for you, like a benevolent uncle brings a lollipop to an undeserving little boy. Stop living in some 'Alice in wonderland' dreamworld.

Time to either man up, wear your big boy shorts, and achieve your objectives yourself. And if your dreams and desires and well beyond your capabilities, then either work on your capabilities till the little birdie's wings grow stronger, so she can fly away to her goals.

Else, if you hear a voice inside your head saying, 'Beta, yeh tum se nahin ho payega' ('Son, this is clearly beyond you'), then just give up and continue administering those little cross border pin ****** to India.

Just keep in mind that as the elephant keeps growing in size it shall feel those little pin ****** even less, and increasingly ignore the little prankster. Unless the day comes when the elephant has time on its hand to spare, with nothing else to do, and decides to squish away the little petulant prankster, before strolling away on its own merry way.

Lol did you really have to write an entire essay? I never implied that China would help Pakistan on Kashmir so stop assuming things. i merely responded to someone who claimed that China hasn't interfered in Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh which they clearly have done.

Looks like i unintentionally touched a nerve there otherwise you wouldn't have responded so passive aggressively and written an entire essay and calling me a "beta".
 
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China hasnot interfered to get Sikkim and Arunachal, but will interfere for Kashmir. Some thinking that.

its not 70s or 90s anymore. China will interefer directly or indirectly by any means necessary. i am saying this becoz, what i have seen and heard from Islamabad after 27th Feb. i wont go into details, TGK can confirm it if he wants.

PLAF went into war time alert and this is why India did not retaliate to their two planes being shot down.

:) PLAF went into wartime alert and no international media reported it. You do know that PLAF formations are monitored every second by satellites. These things cannot be hidden. Stop making up stuff.

Syed1 is telling you the half story, its not the details, PLAF was not on high alert but PAF was, with PLAF assets, again i am not going into details.

Our Pakistani friends need to get their story straight :). Did China/PLAF go into wartime alert or not? Lol...make up your minds Pakistani friends.

Friend Syed1 makes grandiose statements that PLAF went into wartime alert which is why India did not retaliate.

When pointed out that PLAF going on wartime alert would have made headlines as PLAF assets are monitored per second by satellites, soon we have Pakistani friend trying to do damage control and walking back Syed1's comments by modifying 'PLAF went into wartime alert' to: 'Syed1 is telling you the half story, its not the details, PLAF was not on high alert but PAF was, with PLAF assets'.

Is this 'Comedy central' or 'Saturday Night Live' or what? :)

That way even Uganda Air Force can go on wartime alert with US Air Force assets, and claim that USAF has gone on wartime alert.

Wow, see we learn new things every day.

Friend Syed1, instead of telling us 'the half story' as friend Lonewarrior clarified, maybe you should just tell us the 'full story' the first time round. I for one almost got my inner wear into a knot scared stiff that PLAF strike force was getting airborne, full on wartime mode against India on behalf of Pakistan Air Force.

Thank you Lonewarrior for clarifying, just so I can breathe easy again.
 
It could be the removal of article 35A, however it is also unlikely. If it is removing article 35A, India is following Pakistan's ally China's model on how the uighur muslims issue was crushed... Pakistan should be ok with this, Imran Khan recently dodged questions on uighur muslims, so something similar India does like Pakistan's ally should not be an issue to them.
 
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Our Pakistani friends need to get their story straight :). Did China/PLAF go into wartime alert or not? Lol...make up your minds Pakistani friends.

Friend Syed1 makes grandiose statements that PLAF went into wartime alert which is why India did not retaliate.

When pointed out that PLAF going on wartime alert would have made headlines as PLAF assets are monitored per second by satellites, soon we have Pakistani friend trying to do damage control and walking back Syed1's comments by modifying 'PLAF went into wartime alert' to: 'Syed1 is telling you the half story, its not the details, PLAF was not on high alert but PAF was, with PLAF assets'.

Is this 'Comedy central' or 'Saturday Night Live' or what? :)

That way even Uganda Air Force can go on wartime alert with US Air Force assets, and claim that USAF has gone on wartime alert.

Wow, see we learn new things every day.

Friend Syed1, instead of telling us 'the half story' as friend Lonewarrior clarified, maybe you should just tell us the 'full story' the first time round. I for one almost got my inner wear into a knot scared stiff that PLAF strike force was getting airborne, full on wartime mode against India on behalf of Pakistan Air Force.

Thank you Lonewarrior for clarifying, just so I can breathe easy again.

No, its Mann ki Baat..

some people knws who have connection in Islamabad and you wont find the details on internet or media.
it was hoax, so you dont need to believe on everything, especially coming from pakistani posters, we are liar, so chillax and have some tea. :)
 
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No, its Mann ki Baat..

some people knws who have connection in Islamabad and you wont find the details on internet or media.
it was hoax, so you dont need to believe on everything, especially coming from pakistani posters, we are liar, so chillax and have some tea. :)

Fantastic Tea.
 
It could be the removal of article 35A, however it is also unlikely. If it is removing article 35A, India is following Pakistan's ally China's model on how the uighur muslims issue was crushed... Pakistan should be ok with this, Imran Khan recently dodged questions on uighur muslims, so something similar India does like Pakistan's ally should not be an issue to them.

Except China never signed an agreement with the Uighurs promising them autonomy, China just annexed Xinjiang the way India forcefully annexed some of their other territories such as Hyderabad.
 
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