What should Pakistan do to get out of this mess?

[Bilal_103]

Let's be realistic guys india does not want peace with Pakistan and they need us to look bad to appeal all the loonies in their country. What do you think Pakistan should do to get out of this mess and focus on fixing our country? It seems pointless to waste more time and resources on a county who is very hostile towards us.

 

[emranabbas]

We are in war there has been constant shelling last night and we are on the winning side but the Indians won't report it as it will effect the results of election

Pakistan media will not report it as we are trying to build a good image infront of the world hence we released the videos of the pilot

It's working Imran khan a very cunning and politician

India have basically have shot them self in the foot.

There's alot going on in the background

 

[Stalin]

We are in war there has been constant shelling last night and we are on the winning side but the Indians won't report it as it will effect the results of election

Pakistan media will not report it as we are trying to build a good image infront of the world hence we released the videos of the pilot

It's working Imran khan a very cunning and politician

India have basically have shot them self in the foot.

There's alot going on in the background

No one is on the winning side. It's a lose-loss for everyone.

 

[a_tahir]

No one is on the winning side. It's a lose-loss for everyone.

But the fact is the situation is not deescalating like many said.

 

[slipcatch]

Diplomacy and defend its border against illegal aggression from India.

That’s pretty much Pakistan can do until sanity prevails in Indian general population.

 

[anand99]

It will never end until people let go of their egos and agree that religious division is the curse for both countries. Look at this forum, the minute someone says anything pro India everyone gets up in arms and completely shuts down that person's point of view. If you invite Indian members on the forum of course they will offer their perspective. If you want only one side of the story then ban all Indian members. I think the same is true on Indian forums that pakistanis participate in.

I am no longer an Indian citizen and lived in the US now for 30 years. I am from Chennai and a bit removed from all the acrimony that exists between Pakistanis and northern indians. I know that different Indian states ourselves have problems with each other. For example Karnataka and tamilnadu fight with each other for the silliest of reasons committing violence like burning buses and killing innocent civilians. Same is true even within Pakistan with the violence between Sunni and Shia and mohmedians.

Bottom line people who want to fight will always fight by focusing on the difference between us than the similarities. The only way for India and Pakistan to figure this out is if both sides get past the hangups they have with their respective religions. There is a bleak Outlook for that happening anytime soon unfortunately

 

[last_knight]

Best way for Indo-Pak goes through ICC.

Yes, ICC.

Let's be honest, CRICKET is "The Common" between Indo-Pak, amidst conflicts everywhere else.

Its in best interest,beyond sports, of both countries,if they resume bilateral cricketing ties.

 

[Bilal_103]

Best way for Indo-Pak goes through ICC.

Yes, ICC.

Let's be honest, CRICKET is "The Common" between Indo-Pak, amidst conflicts everywhere else.

Its in best interest,beyond sports, of both countries,if they resume bilateral cricketing ties.

How will playing cricket help in the Kashmir situation? I suggest we just completely cut off all ties with india.

 

[Pak Warrior]

Cricket solving this seems like a long shot, not impossible but it's not likely.

I said it before and I'll say it again. sooner or later both countries will end up in war. Pakistan's best strategy right now is to use diplomacy at every turn, while defending itself against any and all threats. We have to keep walking the peaceful way and try to get International countries to help india calm down.

 

[sjahmed23]

We knocked down their jets and the world now sees kashmir as a major issue we have gained everything in this skrimish and lost maybe a few trees. I think India is under pressure from US now to not do anything stupid because the world knows it will bring consequences.

 

[Bilal_103]

It will never end until people let go of their egos and agree that religious division is the curse for both countries. Look at this forum, the minute someone says anything pro India everyone gets up in arms and completely shuts down that person's point of view. If you invite Indian members on the forum of course they will offer their perspective. If you want only one side of the story then ban all Indian members. I think the same is true on Indian forums that pakistanis participate in.

I am no longer an Indian citizen and lived in the US now for 30 years. I am from Chennai and a bit removed from all the acrimony that exists between Pakistanis and northern indians. I know that different Indian states ourselves have problems with each other. For example Karnataka and tamilnadu fight with each other for the silliest of reasons committing violence like burning buses and killing innocent civilians. Same is true even within Pakistan with the violence between Sunni and Shia and mohmedians.

Bottom line people who want to fight will always fight by focusing on the difference between us than the similarities. The only way for India and Pakistan to figure this out is if both sides get past the hangups they have with their respective religions. There is a bleak Outlook for that happening anytime soon unfortunately

Mr Anand I agree with you that people are always looking to fight. I have met many Indians where I live and always talk about our issues back home. I think everyone knows the root cause of this whole problem is Kashmir. If india and Pakistan can find a way to solve the issue in Kashmir I guarantee you most of the hostility would vanish. India needs to try a different approach in Kashmir. Having hundreds of thousands of soldiers will not work, it will further motivate the people to resist india. I would also like to state that the Indians I meet here are very sensible and respect my opinions and likewise I respect them but it seems the online folks just come on these forums to chest thump.

 

[shaaik]

It will never end until people let go of their egos and agree that religious division is the curse for both countries. Look at this forum, the minute someone says anything pro India everyone gets up in arms and completely shuts down that person's point of view. If you invite Indian members on the forum of course they will offer their perspective. If you want only one side of the story then ban all Indian members. I think the same is true on Indian forums that pakistanis participate in.

I am no longer an Indian citizen and lived in the US now for 30 years. I am from Chennai and a bit removed from all the acrimony that exists between Pakistanis and northern indians. I know that different Indian states ourselves have problems with each other. For example Karnataka and tamilnadu fight with each other for the silliest of reasons committing violence like burning buses and killing innocent civilians. Same is true even within Pakistan with the violence between Sunni and Shia and mohmedians.

Bottom line people who want to fight will always fight by focusing on the difference between us than the similarities. The only way for India and Pakistan to figure this out is if both sides get past the hangups they have with their respective religions. There is a bleak Outlook for that happening anytime soon unfortunately

The hostility between the 2 countries will end the day Kashmir issue is resolved but India seems to be in no mood to even talk about it because India knows that she doesn't have a case in Kashmir .. all we Kashmiris want is for India and Pakistan to resolve the Kashmir issue and live peacefully as neighbours should. But , we all know who is running away from any negotiation on Kashmir.

 

[Bilal_103]

Cricket solving this seems like a long shot, not impossible but it's not likely.

I said it before and I'll say it again. sooner or later both countries will end up in war. Pakistan's best strategy right now is to use diplomacy at every turn, while defending itself against any and all threats. We have to keep walking the peaceful way and try to get International countries to help india calm down.

I agree with you brother. Pakistan should focus on protecting our country and completely cutting off all ties to India.

 

[sjahmed23]

It will never end until people let go of their egos and agree that religious division is the curse for both countries. Look at this forum, the minute someone says anything pro India everyone gets up in arms and completely shuts down that person's point of view. If you invite Indian members on the forum of course they will offer their perspective. If you want only one side of the story then ban all Indian members. I think the same is true on Indian forums that pakistanis participate in.

I am no longer an Indian citizen and lived in the US now for 30 years. I am from Chennai and a bit removed from all the acrimony that exists between Pakistanis and northern indians. I know that different Indian states ourselves have problems with each other. For example Karnataka and tamilnadu fight with each other for the silliest of reasons committing violence like burning buses and killing innocent civilians. Same is true even within Pakistan with the violence between Sunni and Shia and mohmedians.

Bottom line people who want to fight will always fight by focusing on the difference between us than the similarities. The only way for India and Pakistan to figure this out is if both sides get past the hangups they have with their respective religions. There is a bleak Outlook for that happening anytime soon unfortunately

We have been asking for talks, IK with new government was labelled army's lapdog with no evidence. In India it is unpatriotic to be pro Pakistani, until that changes I don't see the situation diffusing.

We know Pakistan made mistakes in past but we learned our lesson, things change and I can assure you if you ask any Pakistani now, they will not say we want war with India or India should give us Kashmir. What we do ask is that instead of blaming us you should try to resolve the situation in Kashmir so the rhetoric that is detrimental to peace does not spread on both sides. Just like Indians were enraged when they saw dead soldiers, Pakistanis are enraged when they see dead and blind kashmiris and fellow muslims.

 

[Pak Warrior]

I agree with you brother. Pakistan should focus on protecting our country and completely cutting off all ties to India.

I tell you one thing brother, india is more obsessed with Pakistan than we are with them. They have deep hate and grudge against us, while we are just living life and have chill program doing our own things, we dont even think about them.

We should all cut off ties with india, like it our consumption of their culture and media.

 

[Bilal_103]

We have been asking for talks, IK with new government was labelled army's lapdog with no evidence. In India it is unpatriotic to be pro Pakistani, until that changes I don't see the situation diffusing.

We know Pakistan made mistakes in past but we learned our lesson, things change and I can assure you if you ask any Pakistani now, they will not say we want war with India or India should give us Kashmir. What we do ask is that instead of blaming us you should try to resolve the situation in Kashmir so the rhetoric that is detrimental to peace does not spread on both sides. Just like Indians were enraged when they saw dead soldiers, Pakistanis are enraged when they see dead and blind kashmiris and fellow muslims.

I honestly think most Indians genuinely believe that all the unrest in Kashmir is caused by Pakistan. Have they not looked at how isolated they have made the kashmiris feel? India needs to keep feeding the rhetoric of Pakistan being the bad guy. They should change their strategy in Kashmir.

 

[Bilal_103]

I tell you one thing brother, india is more obsessed with Pakistan than we are with them. They have deep hate and grudge against us, while we are just living life and have chill program doing our own things, we dont even think about them.

We should all cut off ties with india, like it our consumption of their culture and media.

You are right. Have you ever seen the comment section on YouTube, Twitter or any other social media anything to do with Pakistan. You see a bunch Indians constantly talking about Pakistan it gets very annoying. I agree about completely cutting them off they need to find something else to be angry about.

 

[last_knight]

Cricket solving this seems like a long shot, not impossible but it's not likely.

I said it before and I'll say it again. sooner or later both countries will end up in war. Pakistan's best strategy right now is to use diplomacy at every turn, while defending itself against any and all threats. We have to keep walking the peaceful way and try to get International countries to help india calm down.

Capitalism has many side effects but it let us live atleast without fear of war between Indo-Pak. There are no wars in this world of Capitalism.

In any sense, Capitalism can't be compromised for a war.

Indo-Pak can not afford a war and have to diffuse the tension among them. Restoring Cricketing ties is the best way to start it. It helps generating contact between public and officails and effects go beyond cricket.

Being a doctor, I have seen thousands dying in front of my eyes. Believe me, EVERY LIFE is important. Indo-Pak are not the first group in history to have conflicts between them, they can learn from the history of world and can move on. Going to war for te sake of future peace and progress is an ironic delusion.

 

[Pak Warrior]

You are right. Have you ever seen the comment section on YouTube, Twitter or any other social media anything to do with Pakistan. You see a bunch Indians constantly talking about Pakistan it gets very annoying. I agree about completely cutting them off they need to find something else to be angry about.

Exactly, all the wahaly of india flock to the comments of social media to defend their arrogance and false bravado. In real life if they see Pakistani eye to eye they are quiet, this is nature of social media bafoons. Forget about them, let's improve our country, get economically strong, and let them search for new whipping boy, and new toilets. I hear they have shortage of toilets there

 

[Pak Warrior]

Capitalism has many side effects but it let us live atleast without fear of war between Indo-Pak. There are no wars in this world of Capitalism.

In any sense, Capitalism can't be compromised for a war.

Indo-Pak can not afford a war and have to diffuse the tension among them. Restoring Cricketing ties is the best way to start it. It helps generating contact between public and officails and effects go beyond cricket.

Being a doctor, I have seen thousands dying in front of my eyes. Believe me, EVERY LIFE is important. Indo-Pak are not the first group in history to have conflicts between them, they can learn from the history of world and can move on. Going to war for te sake of future peace and progress is an ironic delusion.

Brother you are missing one point, a cross the border you have one giant menace that doesnt care about capitalism. They care only to isolate and cripple and hurt Pakistan. It's only by Grace of God that we are still sovereign nation and whatever condition we are in, we are happy and progressing. They want only to see us suffer and die, economically and physically. They say we are insignificant to their capitalism endeavors, they can not bear to see us flourish. They are devoid of reason in their hindutva propaganda, and They keep crying for war

 

[last_knight]

Brother you are missing one point, a cross the border you have one giant menace that doesnt care about capitalism. They care only to isolate and cripple and hurt Pakistan. It's only by Grace of God that we are still sovereign nation and whatever condition we are in, we are happy and progressing. They want only to see us suffer and die, economically and physically. They say we are insignificant to their capitalism endeavors, they can not bear to see us flourish. They are devoid of reason in their hindutva propaganda, and They keep crying for war

India has been promoting religious fanatics and we know from our experience that at some stage these religious fanatics become uncontrollable. That's their problem. We need to foresee it and safeguard. I can see roles being reversed in coming years where I see India suffering at hands of Hindutva Groups, provided that Modi wins again. That's where Pakistan will have an upper hand.

But what I know is that an unstable India is not a favourable result for Pakistan. And I hope Modi loses and his follower control hidutva groups.
Not all hindus are hindutva. Exactly the same sentiments we express over every alleged muslim terrorist, and it's true. We have gone through this hell and surely we won't want anyone else going through this. At the end of the day, Its a loss-loss for everyone.

 

[Pak Warrior]

India has been promoting religious fanatics and we know from our experience that at some stage these religious fanatics become uncontrollable. That's their problem. We need to foresee it and safeguard. I can see roles being reversed in coming years where I see India suffering at hands of Hindutva Groups, provided that Modi wins again. That's where Pakistan will have an upper hand.

But what I know is that an unstable India is not a favourable result for Pakistan. And I hope Modi loses and his follower control hidutva groups.
Not all hindus are hindutva. Exactly the same sentiments we express over every alleged muslim terrorist, and it's true. We have gone through this hell and surely we won't want anyone else going through this. At the end of the day, Its a loss-loss for everyone.

I say Jo maza humne chaklia hai is extremism ka, wo b time k saath chaklay. I agree that an unstable india is not in our favor but they are blindly marching towards it thinking its progress.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Make LoC permanent boundary.

 

[warcry]

the only way to peace in the region is to resolve kashmir for good.
otherwise any de-escalation will only last until the next attack on troops in indian occupied kashmir , and the whole cycle repeats itself.

pakistan should press for a resolution on kashmir in the international forum, and this is the right time to do so.

 

[PakLFC]

We need to get on side with Iran and Afghaniistan in particular. These two countries are still generally against us that India is using to it's benefit. We need to make peace with these countries through diplomacy. Although I disagreed when we returned their soldier IK is more then holding his ground versus Modi. One foreign report on the current stand off I read using cricketing terminology said "Pakistan has won by an innings". Other then that we must continue supporting the Kashmiris on the point of principle,

 

[rhony]

Make LoC permanent boundary.

Is India really happy with that proposal?