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He is not quick enough, you dont select him for national team

Now you dont select him even for top domestic tournaments

IMO he should move away from PAkistan and focus on league cricket and try to get settled in UK.
 
retire , he still has time he is 26 move to uk or new zealand i guarantee you he will break through into their national team
 
have friendship with people who matter
and be in good books of people who handle domestic cricket
 
Asif321 said:
relax even Mukhtar Ahmed didnt got selected :P
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Mukhtar is nobody interms of domestic performances. This hasnt happened to SAdaf 1st time he should pack his bags and try to leave this unjust country ASAP
 
wish he'd been on the plane to England
 
so, just to be clear, none of the captains rank him?
I wonder what all us PPers know that these captains cant see.
 
Pete Rose said:
so, just to be clear, none of the captains rank him?
I wonder what all us PPers know that these captains cant see.
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None of the captains.

None of the selectors

None of the coaches

None of the regional associations
 
I refuse to believe the myth now that he is some super amazing bowler. It does seem if the guy probably did something to a PCB official, but overall, not a single one of the captain's picked him. It shows that they don't rate him either. If he was truly as good as his stats suggested, he'd be in the national team by now.
 
Sadaf Hussain needs to fix his weaknesses.

His bowling is okay, but they are countless left-arm quicks ahead of him in the queue - Amir, Wahab, Irfan, Junaid and Rahat for starters.

He will NEVER make the grade unless he stops being such a disgrace with the bat and in the field.

It is sloppy and unprofessional for him to allow his standards to be so low.
 
There must be a very good reason that no captain, player, coach, or selector seem impressed with him. If he was seriously that good, he wouldn't be ignored for this long. We've got to remember that Sadaf plays in the same domestic league as someone like Hammad Azam, averaging below 20.

My bet is that he's just another trundler who thrives on the low quality wickets in Pakistani domestic cricket.
 
AamirWarraich said:
I refuse to believe the myth now that he is some super amazing bowler. It does seem if the guy probably did something to a PCB official, but overall, not a single one of the captain's picked him. It shows that they don't rate him either. If he was truly as good as his stats suggested, he'd be in the national team by now.
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I dont think he will be a special bowler either

However the point is that regardless of how average he may be has done brilliantly year after year after year now. So lets say there is some problem and he isnt good enough for the national team. However i refuse to believe that he is not good enough to even make our domestic competitions like HAIER t20 or the Pentangular. I know the level of our second string fast bowlers so its not possible that he is poorer
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
Will be another imran Tahir case doing well for some other country

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Imran Tahir leaving didnt hurt us and he didnt deserve to play for us anyway as we had better options
 
Slog said:
I dont think he will be a special bowler either

However the point is that regardless of how average he may be has done brilliantly year after year after year now. So lets say there is some problem and he isnt good enough for the national team. However i refuse to believe that he is not good enough to even make our domestic competitions like HAIER t20 or the Pentangular. I know the level of our second string fast bowlers so its not possible that he is poorer
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Yeah I agree
 
Slog said:
wish he'd been on the plane to England
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And what would he do when he gets to England.

On paper his age is 26 - in reality he is probably closer to the 30 mark and people in England across the ranks will see right through that.

He played Division 1 cricket in the The North Staffs & South Cheshire league last year. Will he come back and try to see if he can play for a team in the The North Staffs & South Cheshire Premier League this year? Ok let's say he gets a contract with a premier league team. He plays with them for 4 months over the summer. He should be looking to do this regardless of if he is being picked for Pakistani teams or not to gain experience and improve his game.

The 4 month season finishes - it's not like he will be rushed straight to a county team by any means. What will he do for the rest of the year? Work as a taxi driver?

After a couple of successful seasons with a league team he may be called out by a 3rd or possibly 2nd XI county team if he is lucky. By that stage his papers may read he is 30 but it will be evident that he is closer to 34/35. How much money and/or experience would he have earned so far? How much money will he earn playing for these 2nd and 3rd string county teams and how long will he play for? How much will he make?

Will he really have enough time to then go on and play in the 1st XI of a county team or will the selectors see that actually this is someone who is getting on with his cricketing years and look to bring in new blood?

Is it really worth him leaving his family, home, friends, support structure etc. every thing he has in Pakistan for that life? In my opinion it's very easy to say "he should move to England", however, in reality the opportunities available in England are not particularly great either for him.

Forget all of that. Sure he has been hard done by in my opinion and in the opinions of many on this forum. It would have been good to see him in competitions like this. However, if he hasn't been rated by any captain, any selector, any coach and anyone of anyone of real importance really - how far do you think have a strong PP fan base will get him? How many of his PP fans know anything more than his stats about him?

What if in reality he has done well in Pakistani domestic and English Division 1 league cricket due to poor pitches and poor quality oppositions? Maybe in reality the coaches, the selectors and the captains are right and he is just a trudler who isn't good enough.

Maybe I am completely wrong and reality he is a bowler of pure class and has teh ability to be the best in the world, who has been screwed over by the corruption in the PCB.

All I am saying is that it is very easy for people to sit on an on line forum, look at a bunch of numbers and pass judgement & statements, when in reality they may be a number of other factors which influence what is happening.
 
Junaids said:
Sadaf Hussain needs to fix his weaknesses.

His bowling is okay, but they are countless left-arm quicks ahead of him in the queue - Amir, Wahab, Irfan, Junaid and Rahat for starters.

He will NEVER make the grade unless he stops being such a disgrace with the bat and in the field.

It is sloppy and unprofessional for him to allow his standards to be so low.
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How good is Irfan with the bat compared to him?
 
TalhaSyed said:
And what would he do when he gets to England.

On paper his age is 26 - in reality he is probably closer to the 30 mark and people in England across the ranks will see right through that.

He played Division 1 cricket in the The North Staffs & South Cheshire league last year. Will he come back and try to see if he can play for a team in the The North Staffs & South Cheshire Premier League this year? Ok let's say he gets a contract with a premier league team. He plays with them for 4 months over the summer. He should be looking to do this regardless of if he is being picked for Pakistani teams or not to gain experience and improve his game.

The 4 month season finishes - it's not like he will be rushed straight to a county team by any means. What will he do for the rest of the year? Work as a taxi driver?

After a couple of successful seasons with a league team he may be called out by a 3rd or possibly 2nd XI county team if he is lucky. By that stage his papers may read he is 30 but it will be evident that he is closer to 34/35. How much money and/or experience would he have earned so far? How much money will he earn playing for these 2nd and 3rd string county teams and how long will he play for? How much will he make?

Will he really have enough time to then go on and play in the 1st XI of a county team or will the selectors see that actually this is someone who is getting on with his cricketing years and look to bring in new blood?

Is it really worth him leaving his family, home, friends, support structure etc. every thing he has in Pakistan for that life? In my opinion it's very easy to say "he should move to England", however, in reality the opportunities available in England are not particularly great either for him.

Forget all of that. Sure he has been hard done by in my opinion and in the opinions of many on this forum. It would have been good to see him in competitions like this. However, if he hasn't been rated by any captain, any selector, any coach and anyone of anyone of real importance really - how far do you think have a strong PP fan base will get him? How many of his PP fans know anything more than his stats about him?

What if in reality he has done well in Pakistani domestic and English Division 1 league cricket due to poor pitches and poor quality oppositions? Maybe in reality the coaches, the selectors and the captains are right and he is just a trudler who isn't good enough.

Maybe I am completely wrong and reality he is a bowler of pure class and has teh ability to be the best in the world, who has been screwed over by the corruption in the PCB.

All I am saying is that it is very easy for people to sit on an on line forum, look at a bunch of numbers and pass judgement & statements, when in reality they may be a number of other factors which influence what is happening.
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This is a quality post. It should be favourite for POTW. All too easy for people to make flippant remarks about moving away from the country to pursue a career abroad. It will be supremely difficult for Sadaf to get anything substantial in England without having the right connections in league cricket either. Even then, it is a dark and ugly road. I've seen so many Pakistanis lose themselves on it.
 
Told ya guys before that he won't be selected, with current system you can't expect it. Our selectors don't know nothing, our captains, coaches e.t.c knows nothing.
 
AamirWarraich said:
I refuse to believe the myth now that he is some super amazing bowler. It does seem if the guy probably did something to a PCB official, but overall, not a single one of the captain's picked him. It shows that they don't rate him either. If he was truly as good as his stats suggested, he'd be in the national team by now.
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The fact that no one picked him doesn't mean he's overrated, it means thaf the selectors are ignorant and based their teams around nepotism. The funny thing is YK's team seems the most adventurous in terms of uncapped players yet most PPers didn't want him anywhere near that role.
 
Last Monetarist said:
This is a quality post. It should be favourite for POTW. All too easy for people to make flippant remarks about moving away from the country to pursue a career abroad. It will be supremely difficult for Sadaf to get anything substantial in England without having the right connections in league cricket either. Even then, it is a dark and ugly road. I've seen so many Pakistanis lose themselves on it.
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Thank you :)
[MENTION=138379]#GreenRoars[/MENTION] - t's been a while since I won POTW - hook me up bro! :msd Haha

But seriously though - I completely agree man - its much easier said than done and I it's not as if there is huge amounts of opportunity or money available by playing league cricket in the UK.
 
ok can you guys let me know one thing
he has been playing domestic matches for 7 years now, has he palyed for one team only or he has changed teams ? his team ever won domestic trophy ? or his team has gone winless during these years ?
If his team haven't win trophy then he need to change team, get into stronger team whose officials have some reach within PCB.

also what kind of attitude/body language this guy have? is he some kind of laid back chracter?
 
Junaids said:
Sadaf Hussain needs to fix his weaknesses.

His bowling is okay, but they are countless left-arm quicks ahead of him in the queue - Amir, Wahab, Irfan, Junaid and Rahat for starters.

He will NEVER make the grade unless he stops being such a disgrace with the bat and in the field.

It is sloppy and unprofessional for him to allow his standards to be so low.
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Yeah irfan and rahat Ali should show him to field
 
Funny how Pakistan's 2 top performers in domestic cricket in Sadaf and Fawad Alam are not being picked for the test side.

Averaging under 20 with the ball is exceptional and so is Fawad's batting average of 60 which no one has even come close to matching...
 
Asim2Good said:
ok can you guys let me know one thing
he has been playing domestic matches for 7 years now, has he palyed for one team only or he has changed teams ? his team ever won domestic trophy ? or his team has gone winless during these years ?
If his team haven't win trophy then he need to change team, get into stronger team whose officials have some reach within PCB.

also what kind of attitude/body language this guy have? is he some kind of laid back chracter?
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his team reached final of FC this year
 
hur rizvi said:
He is not quick enough, you dont select him for national team

Now you dont select him even for top domestic tournaments

IMO he should move away from PAkistan and focus on league cricket and try to get settled in UK.
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You seem to be a fan. Can I ask you, this guy was selected in Pak squad against touring Uk team in 2012 and he took wickets. I think he was in squad for Caribbean tour also around that time.

Now nobody wants to touch him. Not Waqar, not Misbah, no regional team. Even in Uk he plays for a very low division team like burselem. I know he has had family problems in the past.

Is there something up with this guy's attitude?? I know many junior uk clubs are averse to taking on Pak players as they all say their attitude is very bad. (Eg bilawal bhatti in todmorden) meaning they take what they want from their uk stints but don't help to develop the club and train juniors.

So I wondered what reason could there be for excluding Sadaf. I know there are many left armers in Pak squad but only AMIR AND perhaps wahab are automatic picks. If Sadaf was good enough don't you think he would be picked by now? If he was good enough wouldn't he be playing for a more higher grade county team?
 
hussain.r97 said:
There must be a very good reason that no captain, player, coach, or selector seem impressed with him. If he was seriously that good, he wouldn't be ignored for this long. We've got to remember that Sadaf plays in the same domestic league as someone like Hammad Azam, averaging below 20.

My bet is that he's just another trundler who thrives on the low quality wickets in Pakistani domestic cricket.
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He may be a trundler and not good enough

But he has out bowled all those who have been selected for 7 years straight

This is a domesic tourney where even likes of arsal sh. are playing, how can your top domestic wicket taker for so many seasons not good enough to play this competetion
 
Junaids said:
Sadaf Hussain needs to fix his weaknesses.

His bowling is okay, but they are countless left-arm quicks ahead of him in the queue - Amir, Wahab, Irfan, Junaid and Rahat for starters.

He will NEVER make the grade unless he stops being such a disgrace with the bat and in the field.

It is sloppy and unprofessional for him to allow his standards to be so low.
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Point is not his selection for national team

Point is he deserves to first name among domestic players to be chosen for this competetion
 
#GreenRoars said:
Told ya guys before that he won't be selected, with current system you can't expect it. Our selectors don't know nothing, our captains, coaches e.t.c knows nothing.
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Yep. All these guys who've played international cricket know nothing compared to a few keyboard warriors on this forum. Well said.

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anybody who bowls in Pakistan and has an average below 20 deserves a chance in the country's top odi tournament. Same with fawad. These guys are probably honest triers who have zero sifarish. The way the pcb have treated fawad is beyond pathetic! he could hit three double centuries and they still wouldn't pick him!!
 
the Great Khan said:
anybody who bowls in Pakistan and has an average below 20 deserves a chance in the country's top odi tournament. Same with fawad. These guys are probably honest triers who have zero sifarish. The way the pcb have treated fawad is beyond pathetic! he could hit three double centuries and they still wouldn't pick him!!
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each of the five/six captains is wrong?
 
Usman Chadda said:
Yep. All these guys who've played international cricket know nothing compared to a few keyboard warriors on this forum. Well said.

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We are spending our time on it, we use our eyes with the co-ordination of our brain, but unfortunately our selectors and former players aren't able to use these 2 blessings in a good way.

Has been proved for million times.
 
#GreenRoars said:
We are spending our time on it, we use our eyes with the co-ordination of our brain, but unfortunately our selectors and former players aren't able to use these 2 blessings in a good way.

Has been proved for million times.
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There must be a very good reason this guy isnt rated at all.

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The Last Of The Stars said:
We all know the performances of the so called rated and selected players, at international level.
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What do Pakistan fans know about Sadaf Hussain besides a few stats? Has anyone of you faced him on a cricket field? These guys have and they are unanimous in their thinking. Clearly he's not as good as he is made out to be or he is just an evil, little man who nobody likes.

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Plz plz if u can try someone like imran khalid, imran khan, ramoon raees or tried and tested y not him he performs every season wat else do u want him to do. People come here chat **** but statistics do prove a point y cant even irfan have the same statistics because his not that good his only picked cause his tall???
 
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Plz plz if u can try someone like imran khalid, imran khan, ramoon raees or tried and tested y not him he performs every season wat else do u want him to do. People come here chat **** but statistics do prove a point y cant even irfan have the same statistics because his not that good his only picked cause his tall???
 
another example of mistreated players but somehow our fans think changing the coach and shuffling players will solve our problems.
 
Can we stop hyping this player? Its gets annoying hearing of some bowler who has not been seen in any international league. People need to give up on him and Fawad Alam.
 
hur rizvi said:
He may be a trundler and not good enough

But he has out bowled all those who have been selected for 7 years straight

This is a domesic tourney where even likes of arsal sh. are playing, how can your top domestic wicket taker for so many seasons not good enough to play this competetion
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I'm not sure if he does deserve to play this domestic tourny. This tournament is for the best 60-70 players in the country. Yes, there may be some dodgy picks, but at the end of the day he's probably not good enough. I think we should trust the system on this one, you can't be overlooked by literally everyone if you're not good enough.

Numbers aren't the only selection criteria. We have to bear in mind the low standards of domestic cricket, and also the fact that he plays most his games in Islamabad (bowling paradise).
 
The shame is that these players with great domestic record who are written off almost always end up doing well when they do get their chances.

Lets take a few examples

Aizaz Cheema, Tanveer Ahmed and Fawad Alam had many years of good domestic records but were never given chances because selectors deemed that not to have the X-factor or whatever to do well in international cricket

After years of toil and successful domestic performances, Aizaz Cheema and Tanvir Ahmed were given debuts well after (good 2-3 years) the time they were past their peak. However they ended up doing okay to well in international cricket. Same with Fawad who does well whenever he gets chances
 
He needs to improve his speed, batting, fielding and overall fitness. In addition to this, be in the good books of those in power and he should be able to get picked for the national team. I think he's a bit complacent when it comes to batting and fielding, even though you're a tailender you should be able to have some sort of batting ability.
 
Slog said:
The shame is that these players with great domestic record who are written off almost always end up doing well when they do get their chances.

Lets take a few examples

Aizaz Cheema, Tanveer Ahmed and Fawad Alam had many years of good domestic records but were never given chances because selectors deemed that not to have the X-factor or whatever to do well in international cricket

After years of toil and successful domestic performances, Aizaz Cheema and Tanvir Ahmed were given debuts well after (good 2-3 years) the time they were past their peak. However they ended up doing okay to well in international cricket. Same with Fawad who does well whenever he gets chances
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cheema is still pretty good for most decent t20 leagues. at this peak there were other options available. fawad - he is not the answer in any format. still he should be looking forward to a comeback to the test team next year. he will be very lucky to miss the demolition that awaits us in england and australia: thereafter we will be playing mediocre opposition for the next few years and he has a chance to cement his place. Kinda like with Hafeez.
 
Pete Rose said:
cheema is still pretty good for most decent t20 leagues. at this peak there were other options available.
we have had some really mediocre bowlers play for us when he was topping domestic chars from 2006-2010 such as Rana Naved, Rao iftikhar, Sohail Tanvir, Abdur Rauf etc so surely he couldve been tried for a few games
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Slog said:
The shame is that these players with great domestic record who are written off almost always end up doing well when they do get their chances.

Lets take a few examples

Aizaz Cheema, Tanveer Ahmed and Fawad Alam had many years of good domestic records but were never given chances because selectors deemed that not to have the X-factor or whatever to do well in international cricket

After years of toil and successful domestic performances, Aizaz Cheema and Tanvir Ahmed were given debuts well after (good 2-3 years) the time they were past their peak. However they ended up doing okay to well in international cricket. Same with Fawad who does well whenever he gets chances
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To add to that there was a guy called Samiullah who had very impressive figures for many years and what little I saw of him was a lovely seam bowler but alas seems to have given up. Just comes down to the fact that you can only have a squad of about 20 players in contention at any one time including a balanced mix of right and left handers.

I think we also have to accept that the PCB or NCA is terrible at player development and unless somebody comes up with all their skills polished they are unable to get the best out of them. Just consider how Imran Tahir appeared so raw in his first international year after so many years of practice. Now he looks like a genuine threat every time he come on. CSA really look to have developed him.

Maybe the NCA feel that Sadaf doesn't have the ability to polish up further like amir or wahab have been doing on a consistent basis and happy to let him go.

He must be doing something very wrong when the likes of Rahat Ali are keeping him out of the squad. That said it is also true that barring Amir and maybe wahab none of our left arm seamers are automatic selections so Sadaf should still keep trying to push for a place.
 
Slog said:
Pete Rose said:
cheema is still pretty good for most decent t20 leagues. at this peak there were other options available.
we have had some really mediocre bowlers play for us when he was topping domestic chars from 2006-2010 such as Rana Naved, Rao iftikhar, Sohail Tanvir, Abdur Rauf etc so surely he couldve been tried for a few games
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if you look over a long enough period all of these guys are mediocre. But Rana Nanveed, Rao Iftikhar, and even Sohail Tanvir they all had peak that lasted a season or two....and that pretty much all it takes to rule the others out.
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Pete Rose said:
each of the five/six captains is wrong?
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Well tbh I just think it's a case of him not being friends with our current National team players he plays for KRL in which Rahat Ali is the only player who represents our national team and we all know how influential Rahat is.
 
please check statistics of sadaf hussain , usman salahuddin , umar siddiq , zia ul haq , shahzaib ahmed etc and compare them with sudaif mehdi , adnan ghous , awais zia , ramiz raja jr. and then talk
 
hussain.r97 said:
I'm not sure if he does deserve to play this domestic tourny. This tournament is for the best 60-70 players in the country. Yes, there may be some dodgy picks, but at the end of the day he's probably not good enough. I think we should trust the system on this one, you can't be overlooked by literally everyone if you're not good enough.

Numbers aren't the only selection criteria. We have to bear in mind the low standards of domestic cricket, and also the fact that he plays most his games in Islamabad (bowling paradise).
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You couldn't be more wrong than this he averages sub 20 in most of the grounds in Pakistan I shared the stats as well in another Sadaf Hussain thread.
 
I think he need to b more socially active and have "friends" within domestic teams
and need to change team as well and get in team where ppl in charge can present his case better.
for example couple of years back Awais Zia took Naveed ul hassan, Hammad Azam to his village just for tape ball cricket final match and now he is making come back in main domestic tournament.

in Pakistan, you just can't lay back and let things happen, you have to move around to get your chance.
 
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You couldn't be more wrong than this he averages sub 20 in most of the grounds in Pakistan I shared the stats as well in another Sadaf Hussain thread.
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Big deal. I just said, stats are not the only criteria. If stats were the sole criteria, Sadaf Hussain and Hammad Azam would be opening the bowling for Pakistan :facepalm:
 
Pete Rose said:
tell me about this, i am very interested.
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Haha...I just meant he can't Select Sadaf Hussain in any team as he is not the captain. Besides he could not himself get a PSL contract this just shows he is not a very popular choice himself.
 
hussain.r97 said:
Big deal. I just said, stats are not the only criteria. If stats were the sole criteria, Sadaf Hussain and Hammad Azam would be opening the bowling for Pakistan :facepalm:
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Well what you asserted in your previous post of him mostly playing in ISB that's why his stats are skewed was factually incorrect hence I pointed it out

Hammad Azam does not have equally good list A and FC stats so your argument on that part is also not comparable as well.
 
I have never watched him play so don't really have an opinion on him. What I must say his figures are exceptionally good. He can't be such a bad bowler with such terrific stats? Does anyone know what's actually going on with this young man?
 
I will say what I have always said on this matter. If one player has been ignored by every individual in any position of authority in Pakistan cricket (Chief Selectors, Coaches, Captains etc.) for 3-4 years, then he is probably not good enough.

I am not interested in conspiracy theories that he has rubbed a few key people the wrong way or has been victimized of all people, neither am I interested in his stats.

I am interested in the fact that no one has stood up for him since 2012. Absolutely no one.
 
Mamoon said:
I will say what I have always said on this matter. If one player has been ignored by every individual in any position of authority in Pakistan cricket (Chief Selectors, Coaches, Captains etc.) for 3-4 years, then he is probably not good enough.

I am not interested in conspiracy theories that he has rubbed a few key people the wrong way or has been victimized of all people, neither am I interested in his stats.

I am interested in the fact that no one has stood up for him since 2012. Absolutely no one.
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Exactly. You can't be completely ignored by literally everyone involved in cricket in Pakistan if you're really good enough. I think we should trust the selectors and PCB on this one.
 
Sometimes we should let the selectors do their job.

Not long ago, Fawad Alam (Limited Overs) and Mohmand were also victims of nepotism and injustice.

In 2013, there was also a conspiracy by the selectors against Irfan who supposedly did not want him to play Test cricket because they did not like him.
 
hussain.r97 said:
I'm not sure if he does deserve to play this domestic tourny. This tournament is for the best 60-70 players in the country. Yes, there may be some dodgy picks, but at the end of the day he's probably not good enough. I think we should trust the system on this one, you can't be overlooked by literally everyone if you're not good enough.

Numbers aren't the only selection criteria. We have to bear in mind the low standards of domestic cricket, and also the fact that he plays most his games in Islamabad (bowling paradise).
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You absolutely havent watched or followed his performances in recent List-A and FC tournaments where he has been the best bowler in all types of conditions.

Lets shut down our domestic cricket if a bowler who has been topping the charts for 6-7 years straight isnt even among top 60 players
 
hur rizvi said:
You absolutely havent watched or followed his performances in recent List-A and FC tournaments where he has been the best bowler in all types of conditions.

Lets shut down our domestic cricket if a bowler who has been topping the charts for 6-7 years straight isnt even among top 60 players
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I have watched him. He looks like your average trundler who's making good use of the crap conditions in Pakistani domestic cricket. Once again, stats should be taken very lightly in Pakistan because the conditions are now conductive to trundling in and letting the ball do something off the pitch (or in the air if they're the low quality variety of balls).

Someone performing at domestic level should definately be called up to the academy to be looked at (aka, looking at his overall potential as a bowler. Speed, fitness, movement, technique, etc). They should only be selected after being cleared at the academy. Sadaf was lucky enough to receive a national callup, but he clearly did not impress the management enough to get a game. Once again, we should trust the system on this one.
 
Frankly all this Sadaf talk is getting tiresome now. I really do hope that he gets a chance now so that we can come to a conclusion either way.

He will be either really good or really bad - both I will enjoy.

However, a lot of people would lose faith in domestic numbers if he turns out to be a failure at the international level. Similarly, plenty of people will have their egos damaged if he turns out to be a success.
 
hussain.r97 said:
I have watched him. He looks like your average trundler who's making good use of the crap conditions in Pakistani domestic cricket. Once again, stats should be taken very lightly in Pakistan because the conditions are now conductive to trundling in and letting the ball do something off the pitch (or in the air if they're the low quality variety of balls).

Someone performing at domestic level should definately be called up to the academy to be looked at (aka, looking at his overall potential as a bowler. Speed, fitness, movement, technique, etc). They should only be selected after being cleared at the academy. Sadaf was lucky enough to receive a national callup, but he clearly did not impress the management enough to get a game. Once again, we should trust the system on this one.
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But when he plays at the same time as our international players, his bowling figures are much more impressive

For example when Rahat Ali only took 8 wickets as an economy of 8.00 and sadaf took 22 wickets at economy of 4.5---same number of matches, same conditions, same place
 
Mahmood101 said:
But when he plays at the same time as our international players, his bowling figures are much more impressive

For example when Rahat Ali only took 8 wickets as an economy of 8.00 and sadaf took 22 wickets at economy of 4.5---same number of matches, same conditions, same place
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I think you have to consider the suitability of the attributes of the players to the pitches as well. It seems like Sadaf's bowling style is tailor-made for the terrible pitches that we have in domestic cricket.

For example, a very good County/Shield cricket batsman - who is better than most Pakistani batsmen and will do better than them in international cricket - might completely fail in our domestic cricket and fare worse than inferior domestic batsmen.

That is why it is important to pick players on their characteristics and skill-sets rather than just look at domestic numbers.

If we change our domestic pitches to very fast and bouncy ones, you will probably see a lot of performers struggle and non-performers doing well, simply because the pitches now would suit their style of play better.
 
Mamoon said:
I think you have to consider the suitability of the attributes of the players to the pitches as well. It seems like Sadaf's bowling style is tailor-made for the terrible pitches that we have in domestic cricket.

For example, a very good County/Shield cricket batsman - who is better than most Pakistani batsmen and will do better than them in international cricket - might completely fail in our domestic cricket and fare worse than inferior domestic batsmen.

That is why it is important to pick players on their characteristics and skill-sets rather than just look at domestic numbers.

If we change our domestic pitches to very fast and bouncy ones, you will probably see a lot of performers struggle and non-performers doing well, simply because the pitches now would suit their style of play better.
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Spot on.

I'm not saying domestic performance is not important, but it's certainly not the only means to judge a player. A player must be judged in every way possible before being selected. If we picked stat-gods in our team, then Fawad Alam would currently be our captain, and Hammad Azam would be opening the bowling with Sadaf Hussain, and Wahab, Asad, and Azhar would be nowhere in the picture.
 
Mamoon said:
I think you have to consider the suitability of the attributes of the players to the pitches as well. It seems like Sadaf's bowling style is tailor-made for the terrible pitches that we have in domestic cricket.

For example, a very good County/Shield cricket batsman - who is better than most Pakistani batsmen and will do better than them in international cricket - might completely fail in our domestic cricket and fare worse than inferior domestic batsmen.

That is why it is important to pick players on their characteristics and skill-sets rather than just look at domestic numbers.

If we change our domestic pitches to very fast and bouncy ones, you will probably see a lot of performers struggle and non-performers doing well, simply because the pitches now would suit their style of play better.
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It's hard to imagine that every pitch in Pakistan is to his favouring, no way do all pitches support his bowling. He does well everywhere, players similar to him [Ehsan Adil] don't have nearly as good stats as him, so if players like Adil can be on the team than why not this guy? Both have similar skill set and dimensions. He has even performed in a few small matches in UK, where he was averaging something like 5 runs a wicket. All signs point to him being decent.
 
Mahmood101 said:
It's hard to imagine that every pitch in Pakistan is to his favouring, no way do all pitches support his bowling. He does well everywhere, players similar to him [Ehsan Adil] don't have nearly as good stats as him, so if players like Adil can be on the team than why not this guy? Both have similar skill set and dimensions. He has even performed in a few small matches in UK, where he was averaging something like 5 runs a wicket. All signs point to him being decent.
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Of course my post is driven by the assumption that he is not very good by international standards. Based on social justice, he deserves a chance and like I said, this Sadaf mystery is getting tiresome now. I think people deserve to have the verdict either way.

It has been going on for years now and both sides have made their arguments.

As for as Adil is concerned, I think he's a decent option for Test cricket.

As hussain.r97 said, if we had to go by stats than Hammad Azam should have been opening the bowling for us in Test cricket, but in truth he is quite a poor bowler, and is actually better with the bat but his domestic numbers will tell you otherwise.
 
hussain.r97 said:
Spot on.

I'm not saying domestic performance is not important, but it's certainly not the only means to judge a player. A player must be judged in every way possible before being selected. If we picked stat-gods in our team, then Fawad Alam would currently be our captain, and Hammad Azam would be opening the bowling with Sadaf Hussain, and Wahab, Asad, and Azhar would be nowhere in the picture.
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I personally think Hammad he could have made a decent number 6 batsman, but he is a bit of a lost cause now because he hasn't made any progress in the last 3-4 years and wasn't given enough chances in spite of showing some clutch gene for Pakistan in the minimal chances that he got.

He won a tight match for the U-19 team vs India in the U-19 World Cup, steered us in the Asia Cup final, played a handy little knock under pressure vs England in a T20, weathered the storm in WI in an ODI in 2011 where we were like 3 down for nothing in difficult conditions and took us to a respectable total along with Misbah.

He has a cool head, but it is disappointing that skill-wise he has not made any progress in the last few years and perhaps has regressed.
 
Mahmood101 said:
It's hard to imagine that every pitch in Pakistan is to his favouring, no way do all pitches support his bowling. He does well everywhere, players similar to him [Ehsan Adil] don't have nearly as good stats as him, so if players like Adil can be on the team than why not this guy? Both have similar skill set and dimensions. He has even performed in a few small matches in UK, where he was averaging something like 5 runs a wicket. All signs point to him being decent.
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I personally have no knowledge of the conditions in which Pakistan Domestic Cricket is played, but listening to Bazid Khan suggests that most pitches are under prepared. Meaning military medium bowlers get full capacity out of the pitch. For example Mir Hamza, whom we all thought would turn out to be a wonder of a bowler. As soon as he jumped out of the wilderness i.e played the PSL he was absolutely rubbish and this is the same Mir Hamza who averages 19 or so in FC cricket. Sadaf Hussain was selected on the tour to the West Indies where Waqar Younis was coach and I am sure the reason he has not been selected is that he is mediocre at best.
Many of our international batsman have faced him, if he was anything special I am sure Misbah would have voiced his opinion the same way he did for Usman Khan Shinwari. There is a reason why all the captains disregard him in all competitions accept on FC where conditions are favourable to medium pacers.
 
Aslam&Khan said:
I personally have no knowledge of the conditions in which Pakistan Domestic Cricket is played, but listening to Bazid Khan suggests that most pitches are under prepared. Meaning military medium bowlers get full capacity out of the pitch. For example Mir Hamza, whom we all thought would turn out to be a wonder of a bowler. As soon as he jumped out of the wilderness i.e played the PSL he was absolutely rubbish and this is the same Mir Hamza who averages 19 or so in FC cricket. Sadaf Hussain was selected on the tour to the West Indies where Waqar Younis was coach and I am sure the reason he has not been selected is that he is mediocre at best.
Many of our international batsman have faced him, if he was anything special I am sure Misbah would have voiced his opinion the same way he did for Usman Khan Shinwari. There is a reason why all the captains disregard him in all competitions accept on FC where conditions are favourable to medium pacers.
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Well said.
 
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