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What went wrong with India's ICC T20 World Cup campaign?

RexRex said:
You don't want those three for ODI WC ? I think Kohli should be retained but not the other two.
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Kohli doesn't give me good vibes of being a good batsman anymore, notwithstanding the format he plays. That innings against Pakistan did more harm than good, i feel.
 
Besides these 3 are our top 3 during last 2 ODI WCs. All we have managed is a SF exit in both editions. And that was when these 3 were in their pomp.

Now how well these 3 will perform next year when they are well past their best is anybody's guess.
 
MP2011 said:
Besides these 3 are our top 3 during last 2 ODI WCs. All we have managed is a SF exit in both editions. And that was when these 3 were in their pomp.

Now how well these 3 will perform next year when they are well past their best is anybody's guess.
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We deserve this humiliation. :)))
 
MP2011 said:
Besides these 3 are our top 3 during last 2 ODI WCs. All we have managed is a SF exit in both editions. And that was when these 3 were in their pomp.

Now how well these 3 will perform next year when they are well past their best is anybody's guess.
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It being in India they'll make the final I think.

Probably play England or Pakistan I reckon.
 
Cric1234 said:
Chasing 116 in the last 10 overs is a fluke? Kohli is past his best but still produced a big innings in that match something a few Pakistani players even in their prime couldn’t do.
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Indeed. The win was no fluke. If anything you might be able to say Pakistan bottled it, but nothing can be taken away from Kohli and Pandya who were superhuman that day.
 
Many Senior Players In India's T20 Team May Be Dropped Next Year: Report

India's T20 squad will undergo a major transition in the next 24 months because senior players such as Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli and Ravichandran Ashwin will be gradually eased out, BCCI sources said on Thursday. While it appears that Ashwin and Dinesh Karthik have played their last games in the shortest format, the BCCI will leave it on Kohli and Rohit to decide on their T20I future. After team's humiliating defeat in the T20 World Cup semifinal, a visibly upset Rohit was consoled by head coach Rahul Dravid, who fronted the media after the match.

The next T20 World Cup is still two years away and if those privy to developments are to be believed, there will be a brand new team in place with Hardik Pandya being the long-term captaincy choice.

"The BCCI never asks anyone to retire. It is an individual decision. But yes, with just a handful of T20Is scheduled in 2023, most of the seniors will concentrate on ODIs and Test matches in that cycle," a BCCI source told PTI on conditions of anonymity.

"You don't need to announce retirement if you don't want to. You will not see most of the seniors playing T20 next year," the source added.

However, Dravid said it's too early to talk about transition when PTI asked him about future of senior players like Kohli and Rohit.

"It's too early to talk about it right now just after a semi-final game. These guys have been terrific performers for us. Like you said, we have a couple of years to reflect on it," Dravid said.

While some of the players have been contemporary greats of the game, Dravid doesn't want anyone to write them off in haste.

"There are some really good quality players here, so absolutely not the right time to talk about this stuff or think about this stuff right now.

"We'll have enough games, enough matches as we go on ahead, and India will try and build and prepare for the next World Cup,” the head coach added.

It is understood that for the next one year, the T20Is will take a back seat as India play at least 25 ODIs, going into next year's 50-over World Cup at home.

A look at India's FTP calendar shows that till the 50-over World Cup, the team will play only 12 T20Is in form of bilateral events (home and away), starting with three games in New Zealand next week.

With Shubman Gill included in the side and Rishabh Pant (vice-captain for tour) also a keen opener, the grammar of Powerplay batting might change.

Not to forget a phenomenally talented Prithvi Shaw, who has been repeatedly ignored in Dravid's stint as coach.

Rohit and Kohli are huge names and the BCCI is likely to leave it up to them to decide about charting the course for the next phase of their careers.

Rohit is 35 now and in two years at the age of 37, he is not expected to lead a T20I team in a global meet.

In case of Karthik's role as designated finisher, it was a short-term arrangement keeping in mind the T20 World Cup.

As far as Ashwin is concerned, there was no serious threat perception in minds of the opposition batters during the entire tournament. Three of his six wickets in six games came in the Zimbabwe match and an economy rate of 8.15 was nothing to write home about.

Washington Sundar, who before his plethora of injuries had cemented his place, will now get a longer rope.

The only tricky call will be on KL Rahul, whose strike-rate of 120.75 was a reflection of everything that was wrong with Indian team.

He is the only opener among top teams, who has played two maiden overs and has failed to get into double digits against any top side (4 vs Pakistan, 9 vs SA, 9 vs England) in big games.

Rahul has failed to change his game despite a lot of criticism and his non-performance has been so glaring that it will be difficult to ignore when the selectors meet to pick team for a T20 series against Sri Lanka.

Upton's contract ends

Mental conditioning coach Paddy Upton's contract with the Indian team has ended with the conclusion of India's T20 World Cup campaign.

Upton's second stint with the Indian team hasn't yielded desired results as the team came cropper at both Asia Cup and T20 World Cup.

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Indian bowling today, especially how Buttler charged in the first over reminded me of the times they had Kuruvilla, Mohanty, Sodhi type of bowlers consistently leading their attack.

Absolutely mediocre. And needs a complete revamp.
 
Nothing went wrong. Our team is ridiculously overrated by a lot of pundits. Heck even PP darling Nasser Hussain rates this side a lot for no reason whatsoever .

Maybe he likes to troll or just exposes what a poor analyst he is.


Indian side does not have the role coverage that the best sides have. If you are going in with a lineup where the top 5 are all right handers, no high quality wristspinner and no one to do the Maxwell/Iftikhar/Moeen role of batsman + match up spinner, you will have no chance to win T20 tournaments.

It doesn't matter. Even if you have the best right hand batsmen on the planet and the best offspinner ever , you will be taken apart by teams that have diverse skillsets and plan well.
 
Lol, leaving it to Rohit and Kohli to decide their own fate.

This is exactly the kind of thinking which has reduced our cricket into a rubble.
 
I can understand the Indian selectors wanting to give Kohli respect and to leave the T-20 format on his own terms but there is no reason to be this polite and formal to Rohit Sharma, the guy always goes missing on the big stage and his fitness levels as a captain are horrendous.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Nothing went wrong. Our team is ridiculously overrated by a lot of pundits. Heck even PP darling Nasser Hussain rates this side a lot for no reason whatsoever .

Maybe he likes to troll or just exposes what a poor analyst he is.


Indian side does not have the role coverage that the best sides have. If you are going in with a lineup where the top 5 are all right handers, no high quality wristspinner and no one to do the Maxwell/Iftikhar/Moeen role of batsman + match up spinner, you will have no chance to win T20 tournaments.

It doesn't matter. Even if you have the best right hand batsmen on the planet and the best offspinner ever , you will be taken apart by teams that have diverse skillsets and plan well.
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Vast majority of the Indian fans pretty much knew right of the bat after they announced the squad. A completely inept squad for Australian conditions.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rohit Sharma "It's pretty disappointing how we turned up today. We batted well at the end to get to that score but we weren't good enough with the ball. It was definitely not a wicket where a team can chase it down in 16 overs. We didn't turn up today with the ball" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvIND</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1590739279709319169?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2022</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rohit Sharma "When it comes to knockout stages, it's all about handling the pressure. It depends on the individual as well. You can't teach anyone to handle pressure" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/T20WorldCup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#T20WorldCup</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvsIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvsIND</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1590739695386136578?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2022</a></blockquote>
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jnaveen1980 said:
Vast majority of the Indian fans pretty much knew right of the bat after they announced the squad. A completely inept squad for Australian conditions.
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Not just I Australian conditions . They can only do so much anywhere. In fact , they'll do worse on slow Asisn wickets like UAE even now because left arm spin and wrist spin will tie them down

Asia Cup wasn't that long ago
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Not just I Australian conditions . They can only do so much anywhere. In fact , they'll do worse on slow Asisn wickets like UAE even now because left arm spin and wrist spin will tie them down

Asia Cup wasn't that long ago
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yes. There is no real analysis required here lol Everyone knew it already. Predicted accurately.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A coin has two sides, so does life.<br>If we celebrate our team’s success like our own then we should be able to take our team's losses too… <br><br>In life, they both go hand in hand.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvsENG?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvsENG</a></p>— Sachin Tendulkar (@sachin_rt) <a href="https://twitter.com/sachin_rt/status/1590732938626621440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
The lower order with tail starting too early has been a big problem for India. The top order apart from SKY and Hardik play with a lot of caution early on probably because of that concern.

Haven't followed both Rahul and Dhawan recently, but I am much more concerned about Dhawan than I am for Rahul.
 
Timid team with no pedigree, there was a time when we had Dhoni Yuvi Zaheer Bhajji Sehwag who would give it their best and perform with belief they can do it, even then Dravid(he was a very good player) was meek and now he is coaching us.

I have to say after today I actually like Hardik more, he wants to win he always believes that, that attitude of our players is missing. I don't think capability is an issue but self belief in the team isn't there.

Hardik Pant SKY Jaddu seem to play for the win whenever they play( Hardik's attitude sucks but I guess I need to just accept it).

Rohit thinks batting was not an issue today, that is so shocking to me as a fan and seems agenda driven.
 
cricketjoshila said:
That match in UAE was not significant unless we talk about the streak.

This was a semi so ofcourse more significant. But i believe that the team was not good enough. Even reaching the semis was overachievment.
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But you were favourites to beat Pakistan and you wasn't favourites to beat England.
 
The skipper blamed the bowlers today but he needs to look at his own form in the tournament - 116 runs at an average of 19 and strike-rate of 106.42.

KL Rahul was awful, Pant and Karthik both terrible, Axar Patel was rubbish too.

Too many players below par and not in form.

Sharma's captaincy was flat also.
 
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Winning a match against Pakistan courtesy Virat Kohli (which they should have lost) deluded India. Asia Cup knock out was not an accident.
They are not deserving at all scoring against minnows is not a benchmark for big teams. Pakistan and England qualified even after losing to Zimbabwe and Ireland.
 
ex-q-zit said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A coin has two sides, so does life.<br>If we celebrate our team’s success like our own then we should be able to take our team's losses too… <br><br>In life, they both go hand in hand.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvsENG?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvsENG</a></p>— Sachin Tendulkar (@sachin_rt) <a href="https://twitter.com/sachin_rt/status/1590732938626621440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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He didn't saying like this when India lost to Pakistan in CT17.
 
Today, the arrogance of the openers.

What were they thinking to just tuk tuk their way through most powerplays? It’s come back to haunt them massively!
 
Openers messed up India's chances. Their continues failures means middle order cannot play with required freedom to score at rapid pace.

KL Rahul should not be in the squad until he finds his confidence back and Rohit must retire from T20's ASAP.
 
Sack rohit. Appoint hardik. Drop Rahul.. get a new bowling lineup..surely you have two good spinners and four young fast bowlers? Just get a young team together and make them play for two years..its not hard..

But the issue is the media fans hype and all the off field nonsense.
 
We need a white ball coach that understands the need of todays game. BCCI can afford it and they should do it, there is no reason they can't.

Dravid being "rested" from NZ series seems to be a sign that BCCI might be going towards it but I hope their answer for replacement isn't Laxman.
 
I think Indian players are too exposed to everyone due to IPL and all the teams now know how to plan against them. Their strengths/weaknesses/skills/current form, etc is all public knowledge, its like posting that stuff on a bulletin board. They play together and against each other under highly qualified coaches who help extract every single weakness out of them. Thats my take on it.
 
Stewie said:
I think Indian players are too exposed to everyone due to IPL and all the teams now know how to plan against them. Their strengths/weaknesses/skills/current form, etc is all public knowledge, its like posting that stuff on a bulletin board. They play together and against each other under highly qualified coaches who help extract every single weakness out of them. Thats my take on it.
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Opposition teams know Risabh Pant is a slower starter. They have been minimizing his scoring areas by bowling full wide outside the off stump yorkers or in the block hole because he struggles to hit those deliveries effectively.

Pant has success in test cricket because he enjoys the fielders being up in the circle and not being pressurized for time. He hasn't done anything in ODI and T-20 Cricket.
 
Savak said:
Opposition teams know Risabh Pant is a slower starter. They have been minimizing his scoring areas by bowling full wide outside the off stump yorkers or in the block hole because he struggles to hit those deliveries effectively.

Pant has success in test cricket because he enjoys the fielders being up in the circle and not being pressurized for time. He hasn't done anything in ODI and T-20 Cricket.
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thats one example. there are a lot more. their batsmen seemed to know exactly what sort of line/length/ball their bowlers were going to bowl. Especially Hales seemed to know where Shami and Ashwin were going to pitch the ball. He showed more respect to Arshdeep probably because he is still relatively new.
 
Not because of the conditions It was the same for both. But when you want to indulge in battathon with England you would want to field first. If you bat first you will have no clue what target to set to these guys. Everyone saying par 168 par 168. There is no way 7 overs of spin would have gone unpunished. Those 7 overs went under 6 an over. That is where India's game lost. Seamers from both sides cartered around. Only one side had spinners failing as well.
 
I was chatting with an Indian friend today who was saying that he doesn't feel that Dravid is the right man to be coaching India in the T20 format.

Thoughts?
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A coin has two sides, so does life.<br>If we celebrate our team’s success like our own then we should be able to take our team's losses too… <br><br>In life, they both go hand in hand.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvsENG?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvsENG</a></p>— Sachin Tendulkar (@sachin_rt) <a href="https://twitter.com/sachin_rt/status/1590732938626621440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Looks like Sachin bhai is a beiever in Qudrat Ka Nizam :saqi
 
ex-q-zit said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A coin has two sides, so does life.<br>If we celebrate our team’s success like our own then we should be able to take our team's losses too… <br><br>In life, they both go hand in hand.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvsENG?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvsENG</a></p>— Sachin Tendulkar (@sachin_rt) <a href="https://twitter.com/sachin_rt/status/1590732938626621440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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LMAO Just like all of us, Sachin must have watched that Saqi's press conference again and again.
 
Saj said:
I was chatting with an Indian friend today who was saying that he doesn't feel that Dravid is the right man to be coaching India in the T20 format.

Thoughts?
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There is way too much blame being put on coaching staff these days which I don't agree with, but no doubt Dravid has not done well and seems to be confused all the time when it comes to his playing 11.

Rohit's no show as a batsman in this world cup has cost India big time.

It should have been either Rishabh or DK in the squad as you can't change your keeper again and again. My pick was Rishabh. Just throw him in there and forget about him for the next 20 to 30 games as all he needs is a one match winning knock to turn his career around in this T20 format. Rishabh also needs to improve his body language, which have been really pathetic as of late.

I am a huge Virat fan, but yesterday he played a very selfish innings as if he did not want Rohit to win the match or this world cup.

India missed Bumrah and Jadeja big time.

Not sure why Ashwin was playing every game. I would not have taken him to Australia for this T20 world cup.

Instead of drinking beers and lazing around in his balcony, Rohit should work on his fitness if he wants to continue playing for India in all three formats.
 
Biggest culprit are the openers, Rohit plays too slowly and Rahul never scores. The middle order consisting of Kohli, SKY and Panda is solid but the tail starts from Kartick - who has played almost all T20 WC matches despite ZERO performance. Bowling wise, there is nobody to blow the opposition away and certainly there are no quality spinners. India is really missing Bumrah!
 
saeedhk said:
Biggest culprit are the openers, Rohit plays too slowly and Rahul never scores. The middle order consisting of Kohli, SKY and Panda is solid but the tail starts from Kartick - who has played almost all T20 WC matches despite ZERO performance. Bowling wise, there is nobody to blow the opposition away and certainly there are no quality spinners. India is really missing Bumrah!
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Yup. Be it is tests or ODIS or T20s openers set the tone. Even England gets into a tangle whenever they lose their openers.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rohit Sharma "It's pretty disappointing how we turned up today. We batted well at the end to get to that score but we weren't good enough with the ball. It was definitely not a wicket where a team can chase it down in 16 overs. We didn't turn up today with the ball" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvIND</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1590739279709319169?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2022</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rohit Sharma "When it comes to knockout stages, it's all about handling the pressure. It depends on the individual as well. You can't teach anyone to handle pressure" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/T20WorldCup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#T20WorldCup</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvsIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvsIND</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1590739695386136578?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Poor comments from a poor player and captain.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Openers messed up India's chances. Their continues failures means middle order cannot play with required freedom to score at rapid pace.
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Everyone knows we lost due to our selfish and inept batsmen. Anyone who denies that does have an agenda just like Rohit.
 
Saj said:
I was chatting with an Indian friend today who was saying that he doesn't feel that Dravid is the right man to be coaching India in the T20 format.

Thoughts?
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Dravid isn't the right man to coach/manage senior team. Period. He might have been good with upcoming talent but he severely lacks depth when it comes to manage our senior cricket.

He is far too outdated for today's fast paced cricket.
 
saeedhk said:
Biggest culprit are the openers, Rohit plays too slowly and Rahul never scores. The middle order consisting of Kohli, SKY and Panda is solid but the tail starts from Kartick - who has played almost all T20 WC matches despite ZERO performance. Bowling wise, there is nobody to blow the opposition away and certainly there are no quality spinners. India is really missing Bumrah!
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Biggest problem for us is that Rohit still refuses to believe that he and Rahul are India's biggest problem and they are the ones who should cop lion's share of blame for our 2 successive debacles in WT20s.
 
The mental scars from this game will follow India like a shadow best thing would be to axe Ashwin Rohit etc, also BCCI should apologize to Sir Jadejs
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Dhawan is way more clutch than KL Rahul can ever be.
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Dhawan is last century. Next WC is in India in 12 months. Give someone like Samson or Shaw chances to open. Or Gill.

Problem is that TM and Selectors are very resistant to change.
 
"Bohot Ganda Khela Hai": Shoaib Akhtar Rips Into Indian Team After Semi-Final Loss To England
Former Pakistan pacer, Shoaib Akhtar, ripped into the Indian team after their defeat to England in the semi-final of the T20 World Cup 2022.

The Indian cricket team's semi-final defeat to England in the T20 World Cup 2022 semi-final dampened the cricketing mood in the Asian sub-continent as many fans were looking forward to a potential Indo-Pak final. Shoaib Akhtar, one of the greatest Pakistani cricketers to ever play the sport, posted a video on social media criticising the Indian team after Rohit Sharma & Co. were handed a humiliating defeat by England. Akhtar even said that Pakistan were looking forward to facing India in the summit clash but that won't be possible anymore.

Akhtar, in his assessment of the Indian team for the way they played against England, lambasted the quality of cricket the team produced at the Adelaide Oval. Akhtar also questioned why Yuzvendra Chahal didn't play a single game for the team in the T20 World Cup.

"It's a very embarrassing loss for India. They played terribly and they deserved to lose. They didn't deserve to qualify for the finals. India were beaten very badly. Their bowling was exposed very badly. These conditions are helpful for fast bowling and India don't have an express pacer. I don't know why they didn't play Yuzvendra Chahal in a single match. The team selection for India is confusing," he said.

Akhtar even said that the Indian team lacked the aggression required to win matches on the day.

"It was a really bad day for India as their heads went down after they lost the toss. When England batted their first five overs, the Indians had their arms up in the air. At least, India should have tried to fight, maybe the bowlers could've bowled round the wicket and delivered a few bouncers. There was no aggression from the Indian side," he added.

To conclude, Akhtar said that Hardik Pandya could soon become the captain of the Indian team in the shortest format.

"There is a lot to think about for Indian cricket and now Hardik Pandya is an emerging captain for New Zealand and he has a chance of being permanent," the retired pace bowler concluded.

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India "Seem To Freeze In Knockout Games": Sunil Gavaskar On Rohit Sharma-led Side's T20 World Cup Exit
India last won an ICC title way back in 2013, when they triumphed against England in the Champions Trophy final.

What was a dream going into Thursday's T20 World Cup semi-final against England, soon turned into a nightmare for the Rohit Sharma-led Team India. First, they put up a 168-run total and then saw the target being chased down in just 16 overs. Jos Buttler (80*) and Alex Hales (86*) batted with brilliance as Indian bowlers lacked any response. England will now play Pakistan in the final on Sunday. For India, it was yet another loss in a knockout game of an ICC event. The defeat meant India's search for a T20 World Cup title, since winning the maiden event in 2007, continued. India last won an ICC title way back in 2013, when they triumphed against England in the Champions Trophy final. Since then, India have lost in two ICC World Cup semifinals (2015 and 2019), one Champions Trophy final (2017) and two T20 World Cup semifinals (2016 and 2022) and one T20 World Cup final (2014).

Former India captain Sunil Gavaskar pointed out that losing in knockout games seem to be becoming a trend now. "I just think, they just seem to freeze in the knockout games, particularly with the batting. It's the batting which has been the strength of the Indian team. In the semi-finals, the batting hasn't contributed as much as they should," Sunil Gavaskar said on Star Sports after India's loss.

"At that stage you face much powerful attacks, than may be in the group stages. Maybe that is understandable. Batting hasn't really got the runs that the bowlers can defend. India have always been a good chasing side but the moment Buttler won the toss and elected to bowl first, I though India must get 180 runs on board. But they were 170 for no loss, even 180 would not have been enough. But it gives that little bit of cushion which they didn't have this time."

Talking about the match, chasing 169 for victory in the second semi-final in Adelaide, Hales smashed seven sixes in his 86* and Buttler, who made 80*, hit three in a spellbinding batting performance to cruise into Sunday's final in Melbourne with four overs to spare. It was a far cry from earlier in the tournament when England were shocked by Ireland.

"That feels a long time ago now," said Buttler. "The character we've shown to get through the tournament since then, and put in our best performance today, has been amazing."

Hardik Pandya's 33-ball 63 guided India to 168-6, but the total proved inadequate for an inspired opening pair, as England chase their second T20 crown after their 2010 triumph.

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India lost due to a poor batting strategy and bowlers with no pace.

India's batting strategy was basically, KL and Virat will bat slow, while Hardik, Surya Kumar will strike the ball out of the park. Infact, this team was relying on Surya to do all the work for this team.

This strategy was working well in batting, but the issue was, no one had thought that if Surya fails, than what is the next option? Surya performing in all group stage games except for against Pakistan, had shadowed the flaw in Indias plan.

This is the mistake that Pakistan did in 2011 world cup. We had a strategy in place where the openers would attack, than Asad Shafiq, Misbah and Younis would anchor, and Afridi, Razzaq, along with Umar Akmal would strike the ball. When this plan failed in the semis, we were exposed.

Pakistan almost made the same mistake in this world t20 aswell, where they were relying on Asif and Khushdil to strike the ball at the end, thankfully, they had a plan B, by bringing in Shan, Harris and moving Nawaz and Shadab according to situation.

Than another issue was India's bowling. Atleast Pakistan always had the bowlers to defend a low total.

Many Indian posters were happy with Arshdeep and Bhuvi bowling in 130kph speeds and saying that speed doesnt matter as they are still swinging the ball. India got exposed in the bowling department as well, as there bowling was so fragile. Not a single wicket was lost.

Even the Indian spin attack was a joke. Bishnoi should had been in the team as he gets good amount of spin, but they took Ashwin with them, a right arm off spinner in Australia.

India were exposed against Pakistan, but Kohlis brilliance over shadowed everything. Except for Pakistan, they couldn't beat any good team.

This is why when you win against Bangladesh, Netherlands, or Zimbabwe, you need to not get over excited and be aware of your problems.

Pakistan has been playing B teams where our Asif Ali or Khushdil shah would perform. Yet Pakistan would take a flexible team with them in case something happens. Shan Masood and Harris were last minute additions. The lost against Zimbabwe was a blessing in disguise for us, as this forced Babar to go with 4 pacers, something that pulled off the SA game and NZ game.

Sometimes, losing to minnows could be a blessing and winning against a minnow could be a curse.
 
Only the three last overs against Pakistan went wrong and the rain delay against Bangladesh.

They are a poor side. Better than Zimbabwe and Netherlands and they won against them.
They are on par with Bangladesh so the tight win helped with the rain.
They were comprehensively beaten by SA and England because these sides are better. Just fluke a win against Pakistan in the last three overs. So that's the only abnormality for them in this world cup.
Poor side with not so good players, deserved a first round exit, but helped having an easy pool and luck.
 
Mobashir said:
Only the three last overs against Pakistan went wrong and the rain delay against Bangladesh.

They are a poor side. Better than Zimbabwe and Netherlands and they won against them.
They are on par with Bangladesh so the tight win helped with the rain.
They were comprehensively beaten by SA and England because these sides are better. Just fluke a win against Pakistan in the last three overs. So that's the only abnormality for them in this world cup.
Poor side with not so good players, deserved a first round exit, but helped having an easy pool and luck.
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But you got beaten by Zimbabwe. Had to depend on a fluke win of Netherlands to go to semis.

Its hilarious that pakistanis have the gall to talk about luck and fluke.
 
cricketjoshila said:
But you got beaten by Zimbabwe. Had to depend on a fluke win of Netherlands to go to semis.

Its hilarious that pakistanis have the gall to talk about luck and fluke.
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Because India only won one game against a big team and that too they would had lost had it not been for Kohli.

Pakistam lost a marginal game and won against two big teams to be in the final.

The Zimbabwe lost helped us in fixing our team, India would had been better off losing to a minnow as it would had helped you guys fix your issues, like Pakistan did.

You can find hilarity all you want. Its the trophy that matters
 
cricketjoshila said:
But you got beaten by Zimbabwe. Had to depend on a fluke win of Netherlands to go to semis.

Its hilarious that pakistanis have the gall to talk about luck and fluke.
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Not surprised by your post. It has nothing to do with the thread.
This is how the the students who don't have any clue answer in tests.

But I am here to help people like you. This thread is about India's world cup campaign and not about Pakistan's.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Reports of lots of tears in India, afraid we can't help with this...</p>— Specsavers (@Specsavers) <a href="https://twitter.com/Specsavers/status/1590662345876918273?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
The Indian cricket team's elimination from the T20 World Cup 2022 came at the semi-final stage. While reaching this far in a tournament of the stature of a World Cup is a respectful achievement but the manner of India's exit has given birth to a plethora of questions among fans and experts. Some are even branding the Indian team 'chokers' for their repeated failures to win ICC titles. Even former India captain Kapil Dev, who had helped the country won its first-ever World Cup in 1983, admitted that the team can be branded 'chokers' for their failure to go the distance in the T20 World Cup in Australia.

While Kapil admitted that there isn't much wrong in putting the 'chokers' label on the Indian team, he also said that this is not the time to be too harsh as these are the same players who have brought laurels to the country with their performances over the years.

"Yes, we can call them chokers. That's okay. They come close and then choke.", Kapil told in a show on ABP News.

He also urged people to not come down too heavily on the Indian team after this defeat.

"But don't be too harsh. I agree, India played bad cricket, but we cannot be overly critical based on just one game," he said.

Speaking of India's defeat to England, Kapil said that England, on the day, assessed the conditions better and outplayed the Indian team.

A number of Indian players underperformed in the T20 World Cup. The likes of KL Rahul, Rohit Sharma, Dinesh Karthik, Mohammed Shami, Rishabh Pant, Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Ravichandran Ashwin and Axar Patel, all struggled to play up to their potential as India were eliminated from the tournament in the semi-final stage once again.

https://sports.ndtv.com/t20-world-c...p-failures-3509993#pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We leave Australian shores short of achieving our dream and with disappointment in our hearts but we can take back a lot of memorable moments as a group and aim to get better from here on. <a href="https://t.co/l5NHYMZXPA">pic.twitter.com/l5NHYMZXPA</a></p>— Virat Kohli (@imVkohli) <a href="https://twitter.com/imVkohli/status/1590928986150174720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 11, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
When a beloved one passes away, people often go into a phase of deep grief and sadness. However, that's meant exclusively for the passing away of people and other such sorrowful happenings, but the Asian teams - barring Sri Lanka and Afghanistan - adopt the same approach in T20 cricket at the fall of a wicket. The word "selfish" gets thrown around far too often for my liking and, since it questions the very intention of the batsman and his commitment to the team, I'm most reluctant to use such terms. Therefore, how I would describe it is as "cowardice." Yes, it's simply cowardly to bat in such a manner in a game of just 120 balls and most foolish to expect different results despite not addressing the underlying issue. India scored 38 in the powerplay, England, on the other hand, pummeled more than 60 in the same phase of the game. This old-fashioned strategy of batting slowly in the initial overs and then aiming to go big in the final few overs is an idiotic approach which will never yield good results, regardless of how many times it´s tried. It´s a well documented fact here on the forum that I´ve been saying this since a number of years that India are way, way, behind Australia and England in Limited-Overs cricket, and each time that they´ll happen to face them in big games, they´ll get taught a lesson most of the times on how to play the shorter formats, especially in T20 cricket. When India lost to England in the ODI World Cup match in 2019, Nasser Hussain was literally screaming in the commentary box that India´s slow approach in the powerplay lost India the game, as that then left them with either close to or over 300 to get in the next 40 overs. "It was game over right there", he said, and how right he was! The Indian think-tank, on the other hand, though, doesn´t quite seem to be seeing this as an issue.

I´ve also been saying that Kohli is not a T20 player, but one is forced to be lenient on him, given the astonishing success that he has had in the World Cups of this format. Without him, India wouldn´t have made it to the World T20 Final in 2014, neither to the Semi-Final in 2016 and in this year´s edition, and nor beaten Pakistan on so many occasions that they´ve. Alright, one can afford one anchor in the team, perhaps, but what are Rohit and KL Rahul doing there at the top except for wasting overs in the powerplay? To begin with, I´m not sure what category to assign Rahul to. Is it the issue that he´s not a T20 player, or is he just a simple minnow-basher who seems to get his act together with much passion for weak bowling attacks? The reason why India won the inaugural edition of the tournament in 2007 was because they had guys like Sehwag, Uthappa, and Yuvraj batting at the top. Pakistan too promoted Afridi to number three in 2009, and it produced great results, and even now Mohammad Haris has immediately made a huge difference to the current Pakistan team. Fast forward to 2022, Australia have guys like Warner and Mitchell Marsh batting at the top, guys who take the game away from the opposition within a matter of just few overs, and England have game-changers like Buttler, Hales, and Stokes at the top, but India have Rohit, Rahul, and Kohli! Even New Zealand have brought in a dangerous hitter at the top in Finn Allen! Ideally, guys like Suryakumar and Hardik should be given the maximum number of overs to bat in this format, but they walk to bat when barely 10 overs are left.

Rohit´s 27 off 28 balls, on that batting paradise of a pitch, was an absolute criminal offence! I was literally scratching my head and wondering what the guy was doing. A nobody like Livingstone conceded 21 in three overs! Again, cowardly batting cost India the game. Guys like Rohit, KL Rahul etc. will help you qualify for the Semi-Final, at most, they´ll help you beat teams below India but will never help you get past Australia or England. India must change their brand of cricket before the next T20 World Cup in a couple of years´ time.
 
"Why Can't They Be...": India Great On Youngsters Not Getting Chances In World Cup

Team India's journey in the 2022 T20 World Cup ended on a forgettable note on Thursday, after they lost to England in the semi-final clash by 10 wickets. The fiery form of Jos Buttler and Alex Hales helped England to chase down the target of 169 in just 16 overs. With this loss, the Rohit Sharma-led side bowed out of the prestigious event, inviting a lot of backlash from the fans and experts. Former India batter Virender Sehwag slammed the team's selection procedure and stated that many young players who featured in the bilateral series are not getting any chances in big tournaments like the World Cup.

"You are winning the bilateral series at home, but you need to see how many of your top players are playing there. They usually take a break, and new players get in who also taste victory in bilateral series. So, if they are winning there, then why can't they be tried here (in the World Cup). You never know. There are players who play the kind of fearless cricket we're talking about. Be it Ishan Kishan, Sanju Samson, Prithvi Shaw, or Ruturaj Gaikwad. All of them are international players and score runs," said Sehwag on Cricbuzz.

"As the seniors have been rested, several youngsters are set to tour New Zealand; what reward will they receive if they win in New Zealand? So, the pressure has to be there on seniors. They should be told that there are boys who are scoring well. And if the seniors don't perform well, they might be told, ‘thank you, very much' by the board," he added.

In the past 11 months, Team India has played nine bilateral T20I series, in which they went up against top-teams like New Zealand, Australia, West Indies, South Africa, and England.

Coming to the semi-final clash, England openers Jos Buttler (80*) and Alex Hales (86*) made a mockery of the 169-run target as they took their side across the line in just 16 overs and ten wickets in hand.

Put to bat first, the Rohit Sharma-led side lost three wickets in 12 overs, with only 75 runs on the board. Later, Hardik Pandya, along with Virat Kohli, took charge and completely changed the momentum of the game. Pandya smashed 63 runs off 33 balls and Kohli scored 50 off 40 balls, to take the team's score to 168/6 in 20 overs.

Later, no Indian bowler was spared by the English openers – Jos Buttler and Alex Hales -- as the target of 169 runs was chased in just 16 overs. For England, Chris Jordan became the star bowler as he scalped three wickets while Chris Woakes and Adil Rashid took one wicket each.

England will now be facing Pakistan in the final clash of the T20 World Cup 2022 on Sunday at the Melbourne Cricket Ground.

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"T20 Team Needs More Batters Who Can Bowl": India Great After World Cup Exit

Power hitting will rule T20 cricket going forward and the Indian team needs to play a brand of cricket where big-hitting batters contribute with the ball for the balance of the side, former India coach Anil Kumble has suggested. The Indian team was blown away by England's power hitters Alex Hales and Jos Buttler in the T20 World Cup semifinal in Adelaide on Thursday. India's timid batting approach invited criticism from all quarters as it led to a heavy defeat that spelt the ouster of the side from the premier ICC event.

"...what I see as something that certainly needs to be done is, how we keep talking about bowlers need to bat. But I think in Indian cricket, you need batters to bowl too for the balance of the team," Kumble was quoted as saying by ESPNcricinfo.com.

"That's exactly what England have. They had too many choices. They used Liam Livingstone. Moeen Ali has hardly bowled in this tournament. So those are the choices that you need." Kumble found fault with the selection of Indian teams, saying the current trend needs to change.

"Unfortunately even in the India A team that gets picked, it's mostly batters who don't bowl. It's important to create that brand of cricket and say that this is how the Indian team is going to do it and it should follow right through the system.

"I think the more and more you play T20s, it's going to be like this, where you just come and show your power. So that's exactly how I think T20 is going to go forward," he said.

Kumble is of the view that every player should understand the specific role assigned to him and once that's finalised the team should stick to that.

He went to the extent of saying that that role should not be restricted just to the national team and the players must go back to domestic cricket with the same mindset.

"One is of course having that brand of cricket and then choosing the players to do that but I think it's also important that these players play their specific roles wherever they play.

"Because it's not about just playing that role for India and then going back to your domestic cricket and franchise cricket and then changing the way you're going to go about it. For example, Pant today (Thursday) batted for India at No. 6, he walked in in the 19th over. He never does that in domestic cricket," he said.

"So you need some kind of role definition as well there and that's something I think is very critical if you're going to build a potent team where you need a back-up for those roles and not necessarily your six best players whatever role they can. It's very difficult to do that in a World Cup."

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Negative approch of openers and injury to some main players are the main factors.
R Jadeja is the biggest loss for India in thsi world cup, even bigger than Bumrah IMO.
 
"Words Don't Matter...": Ex-Pakistan Player Slams Rohit Sharma After India's Exit From T20 World Cup

India's exit from the ongoing T20 World Cup has invited a lot of criticism on their performance and the team selection. After getting thrashed by England in the semi-final clash by 10 wickets on Thursday, the Rohit Sharma-led side bowed out of the tournament. Following their defeat, many questions on Rohit Sharma's captaincy and form have been raised as the skipper failed to deliver a strong performance in the World Cup. The opening batter could only manage 116 runs in 6 matches.

Former Pakistan cricketer Salman Butt slammed Rohit over his fitness and stated that he should focus on his game to set a good example for the rest of the players in the team.

"There is no better player than Rohit Sharma. But fitness is also a very important aspect. When you command the team and expect 100 percent from them but you, yourself are slow then players must be discussing and complaining about you behind your back. You keep getting out to big shots in the air and advise others to play ground strokes and not play risky shots. Words don't matter, you have to show through your actions," said Butt on his YouTube channel.

"I think this is something (fitness) which is badly missing in their team. The youngsters coming in are outstanding cricketers but not all of them have outstanding fitness. On the other side, look at England players, they're super fit. They don't just hit sixes but run fast between the wickets too. Look at their fielding, you will see the difference," he added.

Coming to the semi-final clash, England openers Jos Buttler (80*) and Alex Hales (86*) made a mockery of the 169-run target as they took their side across the line in just 16 overs and 10 wickets in hand.

Put to bat first, the Rohit Sharma-led side lost three wickets in 12 overs, with only 75 runs on the board. Later, Hardik Pandya, along with Virat Kohli, took charge and completely changed the momentum of the game. Pandya smashed 63 runs off 33 balls and Kohli scored 50 off 40 balls, to take the team's score to 168/6 in 20 overs.

Later, No Indian bowler was spared by the English openers Jos Buttler and Alex Hales as the target of 169 runs was chased in just 16 overs. For England, Chris Jordan was the star bowler as he scalped three wickets while Chris Woakes and Adil Rashid took one wicket each.

England will now be facing Pakistan in the final clash of the T20 World Cup 2022 on Sunday at the Melbourne Cricket Ground.

NDTV
 
Unbiased-Fan said:
Negative approch of openers and injury to some main players are the main factors.
R Jadeja is the biggest loss for India in thsi world cup, even bigger than Bumrah IMO.
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lol at Jadeja being the biggest loss!

Jadeja is strictly average in T20s. If he was that good as he is being touted to be, we didn't we win even a single WT20? After all, he has participated in all WT20s since 2009, save this one!

Check his stats in all those WT20s he played till date. He was lucky that he got injured in time and got saved from censure from all and sundry.
 
There just seemed no intensity when batting It was old fashioned cricket template of the 90s where they sat back and allowed to be dictated to

India were never gonna do an england and go at 10 an over and blast away but they couldve tried to take more risks

Dot ball percentage was high, there was no sharp singles, the spinners and part timers werent targetted, a lack of twos and boundaries

Nobody apart from pandya tried to take the initiative They couldve tried something different in the batting positions ie like bringing in pant at 3 to take on the spinners

Considering pant came in with an over and two left it was a waste of resources which showed not enough risk was taken during the middle overs You cant be 3-4 wkts down at 16-17 over phase and still be going at 6-7 an over Thats alone shows some batters played too safe

In the bowling it was too samey samey medium pace, no 90mph plus bowler, no wrist spinner no part timer like.dhoni wouldve used to break the partnership

Indias t20 template needs changing and modernising
 
It's the openers. Who have been bad all year in 2022. Rahul looks worse every year somehow.

Bowling has been poor, but they haven't exactly been at full strength with Bumrah and Jadeja out.

They don't have a wicketkeeper who is a reliable batsman, but they've had this problem for a long time. Both Pant and Khartik have never reached their potential.
 
Over confidence. They took England for granted thinking winning was a formality. I feel their mind was on Pak thereby disrespecting England thinking a win over them was a done deal. Prior to the match versus Eng the Indian media seemed ready for a final with Pak. Complacency and under estimating England rightfully lead to their elimination. Also remember that they won two rather very close and controversial matches versus Pak and Bangla where strange decisions went their way. There luck rightfully ran out...there overrated team were exposed for what they are, average.

Ultimately the arrogance of the Indian media and fans was shoved down their throats.
 
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If Kohli didn’t bat out of his skin against Pak they would’ve lost. Close win.

If play wasnt forced on a wet outfield against Ban they would’ve lost. Close win.

Thrashed by South Africa

Thrashed by England

Comfortable wins only against Netherlands and Zimbabwe.

They aren’t good enough, too many players who should make way for younger players, Rohit,Rahul,Shami etc.

1 word on why they failed: Overhyped.

The management/selection needs to grow a pair to drop big names from the XI otherwise they will continue to decline.
 
The bowling was absolutely toothless. All this talk of not having enough on the board (that might be true), but you can't seriously tell me that under any circumstances your bowling conceding 170-0 in 16 overs is okay.

Even if they had 190, all it would have taken is 12 more balls at best.
 
Shoaib Akhtar's "Shami Ko Utha Ke Le Aye" Comment Goes Viral After 'Karma' Tweet From India Pacer
Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammed Shami indulged in a social media altercation after Pakistan's defeat in T20 World Cup final. After Shami's "Karma" tweet, an old video of Akhtar has gone viral.

Two of the finest pacers in their own eras, Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammed Shami, were involved in a bit of an altercation on Twitter after Pakistan's defeat to England in the T20 World Cup 2022 final. While Akhtar shared a 'heartbroken' emoji after the match ended in Pakistan's loss, Shami reacted with a 'Karma' tweet. Akhtar also responded to the Indian pacer, sharing a Harsha Bhogle tweet while calling it 'sensible'. The duel between the two on social media left many fans wondering what really transpired between the two. As the search for the reason goes on, a video where Akhtar had criticised Shami has gone viral.

After the Indian team's elimination from the T20 World Cup, Akhtar shared an extensive video, pointing out what went wrong for Rohit Sharma's men in the tournament. In the video, the Rawalpindi Express even said that Shami shouldn't have been a part of the team's campaign in Australia.

"India ko apni captaincy dekhni hogi. Management has to take the blame. Bowling department main confusing selection ke saath 'Shami ko uthake le aaye' achanak hi. Ache fast bowler hai but banta nahi tha. (India need to look at their captaincy. The management also has to take the blame. There were a few confusing selection calls in the bowling unit. Shami was brought into the team all of a sudden. Though he is a good bowler, but he didn't fit into the side)," Akhtar had said in that video.

Team India did really well in the Super 12 stage of the tournament, winning 4 of the 5 matches to qualify for the semi-finals as Group 2 leaders. In the semi-final, however, they were comprehensively beaten by England.

As for Shami, he had a mixed tournament with the ball, picking up 6 wickets in 6 matches. While he did fairly well in the group matches, Shami was taken apart by England batters in the semi-final, conceding 39 runs without picking a single wicket.

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BleedGreen said:
If Kohli didn’t bat out of his skin against Pak they would’ve lost. Close win.

If play wasnt forced on a wet outfield against Ban they would’ve lost. Close win.
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It helps to learn a bit about cricket before coming up with delusions rants.

Wet outfield/conditions help the batting side a lot more. It is difficult to grip the ball and hold onto catches.

Bangladesh needed 85 from 54 balls with 10 wickets in hand. It should have been a walk in the park but they bottled as they always do against India and India bowled and fielded exceptionally well.

Secondly, Kohli “batting out of his skin” is part of India’s success. He is a legendary batsman and miles better than anyone Pakistan has produced and will produce in the future.

Kohli’s superhuman efforts are a credit to Indian cricket culture.
 
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