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What were the Positives and Negatives from Asia cup 2025?

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I'll only talk about Pakistan in the OP.

Positives

1) Farhan played decently well and is a decent opener. He isn't world class or anything but idI'd prefer it if he were to replace Abdullah Shafique in all formats atleast.

2) Fakhar once again proving that he is Pakistan's best batsmen regardless of formats.

3) The bowling clicked excluding Rauf and the tailenders typically pull their weight from a batting stand point.

4) Agha as a captain utilises his bowlers well far better then babar and rizwan logically could.

5) Pakistan went unbeaten excluding India and gave India a minor fright in the final as well. Not easy to do given how difficult it is to beat the world's best t20 side especially on slow spin surfaces.

6) Shaheen and Faheem were the MVP's of the tournament.

Negatives

1) Pakistan didn't beat any side convincingly and struggled from all fronts.

2) Barring the openers the batting was atrocious. Saim, Haris, Agha, Talat are an embrassment to watch.

3) While Agha is good from a bowling standpoint he + Hesson's squad selections dont make much sense. While Hasan Nawaz wasn't performing what was the purpose of Talat who can't hit a boundary for the life of him to feature in the squad let alone play in the final 11?

4) No one in the squad really showcased that they were ushering in a so called New era. The trend was still the same during Ba/Riz era aka babar and rizwan, provide us a slow but steady start followed by a horrible collapse in the middle and lower order.

To top it off the middle order actually feels worse off then it was during Ba/Riz era primarily due to fakhar being promoted to opening and not at no 4.

5) While fakhar was the best batsmen, as an opener he showed no improvements as a batter over no 4 position. It seemed like he batted equally well at both positions hence promoting him clearly crippled the middle order.

6) Rauf and saim are a tragedy and a comedy. Nuff said. Its time to end this Saim Ayub nonsense.
 
farhan was the only positive, we know paks bowling is okay, but theres just nothing after the top 2, its shambolic, so either u go back to the go slow approach where ull still lose but not as badly, or u keep with this and hope for a miracle to find two middle orders batsmen from somewhere.
 
The focus of Pakistan on solely T20 batting will kill there T20 cricket team also. You need players till the age of 19-20 in domestics drilled with 4 day cricket playing as much as possible. But PCB is PCB..
 
I make a thread and the first 3 comments are troll comments 🤦🏻.

Can't believe PP has fallen so low
 
We need to understand how to accommodate so many all rounders and if its really necessary.

Saim ( all rounder for now)
Nawaz
Faheem
Talat
Agha ( cant bat doesn't bowl)
Haris ( can't bat, and judging on today can't keep)

It's a lot of bits and pieces to accommodate on one side.

Faheem has been good. But the rest, the jury is out.

Yes we want to grow and move on as a team, and these players should feature in squads, but playing all at the same time is stretching the team very thin.
 
farhan was the only positive, we know paks bowling is okay, but theres just nothing after the top 2, its shambolic, so either u go back to the go slow approach where ull still lose but not as badly, or u keep with this and hope for a miracle to find two middle orders batsmen from somewhere.
Shaheen was a pretty decent man, and Faheem was surprisingly very intelligent in the conditions.
 
I'll only talk about Pakistan in the OP.

Positives


5) Pakistan went unbeaten excluding India and gave India a minor fright in the final as well. Not easy to do given how difficult it is to beat the world's best t20 side especially on slow spin surfaces.

6

It was definitely more than ‘minor’. You could see it in the Indian players’ responses post the game, and the demeanour of Indian fans throughout.
 
Positive: Bowling has been very good (minus Rauf). Pakistani T20 bowling is world class.

Negative: Batting is complete opposite. Pakistan's batting is very poor currently. Some player need to be dropped.
 
As an Indian this Pakistan looks much weaker without Babar and Rizwan. Bowling is still heavily dependent on Shaheen who himself is average at best, Rauf has become even more brainless, top order bat cosplaying as main spinner, the less said about the batting the better. At least Rizbar brought some sort of stability in that mediocre bunch, currently it is downright horrendous under Agha, who himself is worse than district level.

Also the cricketing IQ of these new-age fans seems perfectly aligned with the performance of their team. Losing 3 times to your arch-rivals in the same tournament and still looking for positives, I mean come on!
 
As an Indian this Pakistan looks much weaker without Babar and Rizwan. Bowling is still heavily dependent on Shaheen who himself is average at best, Rauf has become even more brainless, top order bat cosplaying as main spinner, the less said about the batting the better. At least Rizbar brought some sort of stability in that mediocre bunch, currently it is downright horrendous under Agha, who himself is worse than district level.

Also the cricketing IQ of these new-age fans seems perfectly aligned with the performance of their team. Losing 3 times to your arch-rivals in the same tournament and still looking for positives, I mean come on!
IKR, it's almost like this isn't a cricket forumn made for topics and discussions 🤡.
 
Problem is you drop Babar and Rizwan because they are accumulators/anchors, but then you still play accumulators/anchors in Salman and Talat.

Babar and Rizwan are better batsman than Agha and Talat will ever be, and while you shouldn't be opening with them, you can absolutely play one of the two in the middle order so at least this sorry batting line up can last 20 overs.
 
Playing so many half baked (fake ) all rounders will not work -- only Farhan -Fakhar- Abrar- Faheem - Shaheen makes into the team.

half baked players lose it in pressure situation. we gave a good fight with this team, just need couple of mentally strong good players, and we will be back on the track.
 
Positives:

Farhan, the spinners and Shaheen Shah Afridi’s bowling.
 
I'll only talk about Pakistan in the OP.

Positives

1) Farhan played decently well and is a decent opener. He isn't world class or anything but idI'd prefer it if he were to replace Abdullah Shafique in all formats atleast.

2) Fakhar once again proving that he is Pakistan's best batsmen regardless of formats.

3) The bowling clicked excluding Rauf and the tailenders typically pull their weight from a batting stand point.

4) Agha as a captain utilises his bowlers well far better then babar and rizwan logically could.

5) Pakistan went unbeaten excluding India and gave India a minor fright in the final as well. Not easy to do given how difficult it is to beat the world's best t20 side especially on slow spin surfaces.

6) Shaheen and Faheem were the MVP's of the tournament.

Negatives

1) Pakistan didn't beat any side convincingly and struggled from all fronts.

2) Barring the openers the batting was atrocious. Saim, Haris, Agha, Talat are an embrassment to watch.

3) While Agha is good from a bowling standpoint he + Hesson's squad selections dont make much sense. While Hasan Nawaz wasn't performing what was the purpose of Talat who can't hit a boundary for the life of him to feature in the squad let alone play in the final 11?

4) No one in the squad really showcased that they were ushering in a so called New era. The trend was still the same during Ba/Riz era aka babar and rizwan, provide us a slow but steady start followed by a horrible collapse in the middle and lower order.

To top it off the middle order actually feels worse off then it was during Ba/Riz era primarily due to fakhar being promoted to opening and not at no 4.

5) While fakhar was the best batsmen, as an opener he showed no improvements as a batter over no 4 position. It seemed like he batted equally well at both positions hence promoting him clearly crippled the middle order.

6) Rauf and saim are a tragedy and a comedy. Nuff said. Its time to end this Saim Ayub nonsense.
I think Rauf failed in this match, but he was pivotal in the match against BD. I think he was the joint highest wikut taker for Pak alongside Abrar before this match. It's just that he has constant brainfades against India for some reason.
 
Saiim: This guy opened the floodgates. Dude just can’t handle an off-side pitched ball, he has fallen for the same delivery so many times.

Mohammad Haris: Senseless shot. He’s not fit to play against top teams, just a minnow basher.

Fakhar Zaman: Always chasing that one shot. Washed-up player.

Hussain Talat: Absolute garbage batting. Played a senseless shot in that situation, can’t even read the match.

Salman Agha: This so-called modern T20 hero got out twice to the same shot against India, doesn’t fit in the T20 format.

Shahid Afridi: Forever hunting for that cow-corner slog—beyond that, he’s got nothing. However, he did his job as a blower and took early wickets.

I don’t see any positives in this team except opener Farhan, who himself is just a blind slogger with those ugly cross-batted shots. It’s fine for T20s, but with that flawed technique he won’t last long.

Rauf is always garbage.
And Faheem… lol, this guy is half-baked and nowhere near international standards.
 
You started it by sneaking in Fakhars name and calling him your best batsman.

Average of 30 and strike rate of 120 is something which you would have crucified Rizbar for, not called them the best.
Oh be quiet and stop peddling around nonsense conspiracy theories you ****. Watch yourself
 
I think Rauf failed in this match, but he was pivotal in the match against BD. I think he was the joint highest wikut taker for Pak alongside Abrar before this match. It's just that he has constant brainfades against India for some reason.
His wicket tally is usually high in tournaments yes. But he's basically a bootleg version of Wahab Riaz.

And wahab himself was a massive thorn
 
Positives:

0 IQ clowns on PP got exposed for their 0 cricket knowledge. Hopefully they will shut up now.
You also got exposed..btw what happened to your prediction..Shaheen motm and MOT.. Shaheen taking wicket of Abhishek..all failed..
 
You also got exposed..btw what happened to your prediction..Shaheen motm and MOT.. Shaheen taking wicket of Abhishek..all failed..
I am sorry. The tulla really cemented his credentials today by throwing his wicket away to Faheem. I apologize to him, I thought only Shaheen was good enough to take his wicket but I was clearly wrong.
 
Only positive was Sahibzada Farhan and Shaheen. Rest of them are garbage

Agha is by no means a good captain , he is extremely lucky and has been exposed against good teams
 
The last Asia cup exposed and ended the overhyped Babar Azam’s career, this one probably did the same to Saim?

Really impressed by Sahibzada Farhan though. Good fearless cricket.
 
The last Asia cup exposed and ended the overhyped Babar Azam’s career, this one probably did the same to Saim?

Really impressed by Sahibzada Farhan though. Good fearless cricket.
Saim will bounce back.

He is a decent all rounder in these conditions.

Players reinvent themselves all the time. Perhaps he will be more suited in the Mohammed Nawaz role?

He is a good talent.
 
Saim will bounce back.

He is a decent all rounder in these conditions.

Players reinvent themselves all the time. Perhaps he will be more suited in the Mohammed Nawaz role?

He is a good talent.
Mental midget though. Needs a mental conditioning coach.
 
Babar and Rizwan in the XI wouldn’t have made a difference in the result today.
But we were told that Pakistan would play fearless and modern cricket without them?

Fun fact: Pakistan would have posted a similar total today with their outdating and selfish batting.
 
But we were told that Pakistan would play fearless and modern cricket without them?

We were looking at 180+ after 10 overs, thanks to the partnership between Fakhar and Farhan. If we had Rizwan and Babar opening, we would’ve probably had around 60-65 after 10 overs.

Fun fact: Pakistan would have posted a similar total today with their outdating and selfish batting.

we probably would’ve, and most of the runs would’ve came from the middle and lower order batsmen.

Let’s not forget the amount of times Rizbar have been bailed out by Nawaz, Shaheen, Naseem, Asif Ali etc
 
We were looking at 180+ after 10 overs, thanks to the partnership between Fakhar and Farhan. If we had Rizwan and Babar opening, we would’ve probably had around 60-65 after 10 overs.



we probably would’ve, and most of the runs would’ve came from the middle and lower order batsmen.

Let’s not forget the amount of times Rizbar have been bailed out by Nawaz, Shaheen, Naseem, Asif Ali etc

Brother we could have scored 120 in 10 overs, doesnt matter if you're finishing on 146.

Problem isn't Babar and Rizwan being in the team, its the fact that they were opening the batting and wasting the powerplay.

With a Babar or a Rizwan batting in the middle overs today I don't think we are losing 9 wickets in 10 overs.
 
With a Babar or a Rizwan batting in the middle overs today I don't think we are losing 9 wickets in 10 overs.

Babar has been out of form for years.

Rizwan only wants to open, we need players that’ll play in whatever position the team requires them in.

Imo, the decision to bring in Haris ahead of Mo Nawaz when we all know Mo Nawaz can take on the spinners was the reason why we couldn’t get to 170+.
 
Not many positives

Sahibzada is a good t20 basher

Shaheen looked good in last two matches. Maybe he’s finding his old form

Abrar and Saim are good spin options

Faheem is okish for t20s

Negatives:
Your captain is the worst player in the team

Benching Hasan Nawaz for Talat

Non existent middle order
 
I am sorry. The tulla really cemented his credentials today by throwing his wicket away to Faheem. I apologize to him, I thought only Shaheen was good enough to take his wicket but I was clearly wrong.
If Shaheen was so good enough why he didn't take him in the first over itself..🤣btw what about your other predictions..are you sorry for that too and ready to apologise??
 
Positives

Faheem proves to be the best allrounder available yet again

Sahibzada taking down Bumrah consistently

Saim's bowling form

Shaheen's death overs hitting


Negatives

Saim's batting form

Completely useless middle order

Agha inferior to even Rizwan

Rauf and controlled pace will never happen. Either can bowl cutters with control or wayward rubbish at high pace. Time to retire
 
Only positive I can think of is that in the near upcoming future, a PAK-SL-BD tri-series would be a banger if it were to happen. All 3 are pretty much in the same +/- proximity in batting/bowling and are very close to each other's strength/weakness.

I would like to forget this asia cup from my memory and hope these type of things does not happen ever again.
 
If Shaheen was so good enough why he didn't take him in the first over itself..🤣btw what about your other predictions..are you sorry for that too and ready to apologise??
Shaheen dominated him in the first over and had a couple of close calls. Abhishek was in fact lucky not to get out to him.

Shaheen was Pakistan’s stand out bowler today. Bowled with a lot of venom and zip. Sometimes, you don’t bowl well and take wickets while other times, you bowl really well for no reward.

It is pretty clear you didn’t watch the match.
 
Shaheen dominated him in the first over and had a couple of close calls. Abhishek was in fact lucky not to get out to him.

Shaheen was Pakistan’s stand out bowler today. Bowled with a lot of venom and zip. Sometimes, you don’t bowl well and take wickets while other times, you bowl really well for no reward.

It is pretty clear you didn’t watch the match.
Abhishek Sharma scored a total of 35 runs off 19 balls against Shaheen Shah Afridi across all matches in the Asia Cup 2025 without being dismissed

:kp
 
Pakistan in these conditions (will be similar in SL) are a contender for the T20 world cup!

Asian teams have the best spin attack and Pak managed to beat majority of the Asian teams (getting closer to Ind as well)

Just need to sort out the middle order

Ideally, Saim should be dropped to no. 4 and Haris promoted to no. 3, with Salman and Hassan Nawaz interchanging between 5 and 6 (depending on the scenario)

Only two negatives - the middle order batsmen and Haris Rauf

Need to identify a pacer who is adept at bowling at the death (not many options sadly)
 
Positives:

Farhan
Nawaz
Faheem
Shaheen
Abrar

Well done you boys! Every game they fought hard for Pakistan one way or another.


Pass:

Rauf
Agha (leadership)
Harris (decent batting in some games)
Fakhar (not his fluent best but decent)

Negatives:

Saim (horrendous tournament with the bat and a lot depended on him)

Hassan Nawaz (confidence completely down the drain and he was supposed to be Pakistan’s spin basher. Lost his spot after 2 games).

Hussain Talat (abandoned his team in two crucial matches. He was brought in to build partnerships but failed)

Salman Agha the batter (same as Talat, he abandoned his side in their time of need on multiple occasions. Particularly the final, the first game v India and Sri Lanka. You were supposed to be the guy who kept the scoreboard ticking at least against quality spin. Not end up exposing yourself as one who cannot read it.)
 
Not a single convincing win!

Scraped through to victories against both both Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.

Minnow wins do not count; even there we were not as dominant as we should have been.

Batting in the middle overs was a persistent weakness.

Mental block against India in the middle phase in two games after a blistering start

Rauf expensive as always (apart from one game). Showing attitude on a cricket field looks good only if you are also winning.

Salman Agha has no place in this T20 team. Hopelessly out of form with the bat. Some of his on-field decisions highly questionable. Cost us the the final.

Haris the hack has no place in this team

Faheem punched above his weight. Packing the side with bits and pieces cricketers does not work. Need one or two specialist batsmen to negotiate the middle overs against spin.

Only 4 quality players in this team - Farhan, Fakhar, Abrar and SSA.

The rest need to do serious introspection
 
Abhishek Sharma scored a total of 35 runs off 19 balls against Shaheen Shah Afridi across all matches in the Asia Cup 2025 without being dismissed

:kp
But that won’t change the fact that Abhishek at this stage of his career is a nobody compared to Shaheen.

Come back when Abhishek wins an ICC player of the year award like Shaheen did in 2021.
 
But that won’t change the fact that Abhishek at this stage of his career is a nobody compared to Shaheen.

Come back when Abhishek wins an ICC player of the year award like Shaheen did in 2021.
Comeback when Pakistan win a Asia cup Forget about ICC event's in Next 10 year's. :klopp :kp
 
Shaheen dominated him in the first over and had a couple of close calls. Abhishek was in fact lucky not to get out to him.

Shaheen was Pakistan’s stand out bowler today. Bowled with a lot of venom and zip. Sometimes, you don’t bowl well and take wickets while other times, you bowl really well for no reward.

It is pretty clear you didn’t watch the match.
Not taking credit from his bowling..my question is more to do with your predictions which absolutely failed..he bowled well but not impactful..he failed with bat too..
 
Comeback when Pakistan win a Asia cup Forget about ICC event's in Next 10 year's. :klopp :kp
Abhishek won the tournament because he played for a superior team. As a player, Shaheen has achieved more. You don't have the ability to understand such a simple thing.
 
ABHISHEK has won the player of the tournament in his first tournament. :shh :kp
Shaheen’s achievements are still greater and both are the same age. It’s foolish not to see that Shaheen is Pakistan’s best player while Abhishek is currently just a one format player. So even if Abhishek isn’t at Shaheen’s level yet, it doesn’t reflect badly on Indian cricket. The problem is that your ego and low IQ won’t let you accept this simple thing.
 
Shaheen’s achievements are still greater and both are the same age. It’s foolish not to see that Shaheen is Pakistan’s best player while Abhishek is currently just a one format player. So even if Abhishek isn’t at Shaheen’s level yet, it doesn’t reflect badly on Indian cricket. The problem is that your ego and low IQ won’t let you accept this simple thing.
First win a trophy until then Keep quite:klopp :kp
 
Positives
Farhaan
Shaheen (obviously)
Abrar

Pass
Nawaz
Fahim
Saim (bowling)
Fakhar

Negatives
Hussain
Agha
Rauf
Muhammed Haris
 
Shaheen’s achievements are still greater and both are the same age. It’s foolish not to see that Shaheen is Pakistan’s best player while Abhishek is currently just a one format player. So even if Abhishek isn’t at Shaheen’s level yet, it doesn’t reflect badly on Indian cricket. The problem is that your ego and low IQ won’t let you accept this simple thing.
good god another WKK.
 
The last Asia cup exposed and ended the overhyped Babar Azam’s career, this one probably did the same to Saim?

Really impressed by Sahibzada Farhan though. Good fearless cricket.
The guy has heart...the innings he played yestreday babar wouldn't have played in million years against india...
 
Pakistan in these conditions (will be similar in SL) are a contender for the T20 world cup!

Asian teams have the best spin attack and Pak managed to beat majority of the Asian teams (getting closer to Ind as well)

Just need to sort out the middle order

Ideally, Saim should be dropped to no. 4 and Haris promoted to no. 3, with Salman and Hassan Nawaz interchanging between 5 and 6 (depending on the scenario)

Only two negatives - the middle order batsmen and Haris Rauf

Need to identify a pacer who is adept at bowling at the death (not many options sadly)
This pakistan batting line up will not work in Asian conditions....
 
But that won’t change the fact that Abhishek at this stage of his career is a nobody compared to Shaheen.

Come back when Abhishek wins an ICC player of the year award like Shaheen did in 2021.
People on social media comparing him brain lara and chris gayle and you say he is not on level of shaheen?
 
Abhishek won the tournament because he played for a superior team. As a player, Shaheen has achieved more. You don't have the ability to understand such a simple thing.
Shaheen won man of match in 2022 wc semi final...if he was playing for superior team he would have won in final also..
 
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