What's going wrong with India's bowling?

[MenInG]

From 2nd ODI



Does this seem like the performance of a world-class line-up?

IPL fatigue? Or Australian batsmen that good?

 

[Rana]

Fast bowlers are completely burned out.

They need to throw in all the jobbers for the last ODI and the T20s if they want these bowlers to put in proper shifts in the Test series

 

[Junaids]

They just aren’t very good.

Bumrah is not the bowler he was pre-injury.

Shami is just a right-arm Neil Wagner.

Chahal makes Shadab Khan look like Shane Warne.

Jadeja has never been a real bowler, he just bowls well in Tests on doctored wickets.

Pandya is just not fit.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Fast bowlers are completely burned out.

They need to throw in all the jobbers for the last ODI and the T20s if they want these bowlers to put in proper shifts in the Test series

India will grind them out because these are marketable players. They bring in crowds so all these bacchas have to play.

I hope they get rested for T20.

 

[Rana]

They just aren’t very good.

Bumrah is not the bowler he was pre-injury.

Shami is just a right-arm Neil Wagner.

Chahal makes Shadab Khan look like Shane Warne.

Jadeja has never been a real bowler, he just bowls well in Tests on doctored wickets.

Pandya is just not fit.

But they can still perform better than this, however they will not if they worked into the ground here.

Would be insane if Bumrah plays another game until the First Test. It’s only 18 days away

 

[Hasan123]

Bumrah and Shami are top class bowlers, they will bounce back. Chahal is a good LO bowler. Saini seems like a red ball bowler.

I think Australia know how to score big on these pitches regardless of the bowlers. India have not bowled at their best but Smith,Finch, Maxwell,and Warner have batted really well.

 

[Ab Fan]

Problem is that Bumrah over past 12 months seems to have lost his new bowl skill. He is not getting it right consistently and that is because of too much of IPL going around. He is happy after mastering the death over bowling.

Saini has pace but he is just spraying it, started off the first ball in both games with short wide delivery. He had a completely off series and we don't have a backup option. Siraj is not an option for white ball cricket.

Jadeja is an economical bowler and not wicket-taker.

Shami is good with new bowl but not as good in death overs. If he is creating some pressure on one end, it's getting released at the other end. Also, I don't understand why changing the bowlers after 2-3 overs spell. This is ODI cricket. Give atleast 4 overs each to both.

Of all though, Chahal is our biggest problem. He has been poor in both games and seem to be happy sticking with T20 format.

Too much of T20 format is killing Bumrah and Chahal. We need to ban Bumrah from IPL and just pay him the IPL $$$ depending on how he performs in longer format.

One good news now is that Pandya can bowl when we need him to bowl and there we fixed the 6th bowler problem. But if three of your four main bowlers are doing poorly, not much can be done in that case.

 

[Titan24]

- Bumrah has been struggling post injury (Back injuries force bowlers to ball short as fuller length takes a lot out of back), not sure if its physical or mental as of now. His overall zip, accuracy and confidence is not there.

- Saini has been gun barrel straight since the time he came onto the scene without much progress

- Shami at this age and stage lf his career needs better workload management. Since Bhuvneshwar’s injury struggles he has been bowling much more than he did initially post his back recovery.

- Chahal has not been as effective since WC 19 economy deteriorated from well under 5 in his first 3 three years to 5.74 and 6.47 in year 2019 and 2020 respectively. He is not a big spinner of the ball and the novelty factor has worn of. He has some good subtle pace and length variations but, batsmen are better prepared now and any err in length becomes easy for them. Needs to work more on his accuracy now to survive. Same thing happened to his spin partner Kuldeep to an extent.

- Jadeja has been okish I guess. Despite averaging 50+ in last two years with the ball which is ordinary, he still has better economy than the leggies of India.

 

[angrypathan]

Shami is the only one who's actually looked like taking wickets. Saini is one of the worst bowlers I've seen on Australian soil in the recent past.

 

[hitthestump]

It's the Indian inferiority complex which is costing the team in the field right now.

At the end of the first ODI we saw Kohli cracking jokes about how "Finchy" doesn't want to get out to him. The guy has just seen his team receive a phainty and he's talking about the opposition captain emphasising that they're best buds.

In the 2nd ODI, "Finchy" accidentally recieves a nasty beamer from Saini who'd previously been carted all over. Instead of using the opportunity to gee up his poor bowler or just simply stay out of it, KL Rahul runs sees an opportunity to start joking around with Finch like it's a practice game.

I can't quite believe what i'm seeing, but it's quite clear that the kid who was once bullied in the playground is now hoping that Daddy's money will cause that same bully to see him as an equal.

The Indians simply cannot concentrate on the field. They can't play hard. They are too desperate to find out whether the IPL has bought them the approval of their former masters or not.

India - Forget the IPL. You're in Australia now. And like a nephew meeting his weird uncle at Thanksgiving, unless you're opening your wallet they don't care about you.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Poor tactics. Saini is being played despite back spasms. They bowled the wrong lengths. Short and pace off was the way to go. A good length is too floaty on this pitch. But ultimately they were bowling first to a side with batsmen in terrific touch and backed by, arguably, the best bowling lineup in the world. Australia simply was marginally better at batting and bowling and had the rub of the green in terms of luck as well.

 

[KoyoAli]

Poor tactics. Saini is being played despite back spasms. They bowled the wrong lengths. Short and pace off was the way to go. A good length is too floaty on this pitch. But ultimately they were bowling first to a side with batsmen in terrific touch and backed by, arguably, the best bowling lineup in the world. Australia simply was marginally better at batting and bowling and had the rub of the green in terms of luck as well.

Yeah we definitely saw different games. Hamara Phainta, Phainta aur apka Phainta bad luck? Lagge raho

 

[bilawal666]

I don't understand why India don't play that Chinaman bowler.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

These pitches are absolute phatta flat tracks and Australia will always run amock on them. I wouldn't read too much into it. If India had batted first they would also have scored big and won.

 

[Xoib]

Poor tactics. Saini is being played despite back spasms. They bowled the wrong lengths. Short and pace off was the way to go. A good length is too floaty on this pitch. But ultimately they were bowling first to a side with batsmen in terrific touch and backed by, arguably, the best bowling lineup in the world. Australia simply was marginally better at batting and bowling and had the rub of the green in terms of luck as well.

Aus was not marginally better they drop intentisty once they have the game in the bag hence the results look bit respectable. Not Once in two games India looked like with winning chance above 10%.
They have not been hammering but still been two walk in the parks in two games.

 

[Mesozoic]

It's the Indian inferiority complex which is costing the team in the field right now.

At the end of the first ODI we saw Kohli cracking jokes about how "Finchy" doesn't want to get out to him. The guy has just seen his team receive a phainty and he's talking about the opposition captain emphasising that they're best buds.

In the 2nd ODI, "Finchy" accidentally recieves a nasty beamer from Saini who'd previously been carted all over. Instead of using the opportunity to gee up his poor bowler or just simply stay out of it, KL Rahul runs sees an opportunity to start joking around with Finch like it's a practice game.

I can't quite believe what i'm seeing, but it's quite clear that the kid who was once bullied in the playground is now hoping that Daddy's money will cause that same bully to see him as an equal.

The Indians simply cannot concentrate on the field. They can't play hard. They are too desperate to find out whether the IPL has bought them the approval of their former masters or not.

India - Forget the IPL. You're in Australia now. And like a nephew meeting his weird uncle at Thanksgiving, unless you're opening your wallet they don't care about you.

Lollolllolooololol. )

What a ridiculous post! Did you just write this all down with a serious face?

These guys have all played two months of IPL together in a bubble. Finch was Kohli's teammate just a couple of weeks ago. Also played with Rahul at KXIP. Why are you getting your knickers in a twist over this?

So if Indians act all friendly with Pakistani cricketers gifting bats to them before games, having a chat with them during and laughing with them after getting thrashed by them, they are great sportsman and Kohli suddenly becomes a "likeable" guy but when they do the same with Aussies, they are trying to please their "former masters" (whatever that means) out of "inferiority complex".

Looks like you are projecting a lotta things out there stumpy. Relax. It's not worth it.

 

[KoyoAli]

These pitches are absolute phatta flat tracks and Australia will always run amock on them. I wouldn't read too much into it. If India had batted first they would also have scored big and won.

Yeah I don't see Ifs and Buts. What proof do you have that they would have won if they batted first apart from your imagination?

 

[King_Kohli]

Players like Bumrah are need to rest properly, no need to play all matches in IPL.
We already lost Bhuvi.

Wakeup BCCI

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Yeah I don't see Ifs and Buts. What proof do you have that they would have won if they batted first apart from your imagination?

No proof, it's just a hypothesis of course. If it helps, I am a Pakistan fan who doesn't support Indian cricket at all. I just don't think a bowling attack can be judged on Aussie pitches anymore.

 

[MMHS]

Apart from age, injury, quality and other staffs written here most posters are missing the big white elephant in the room - they are playing against a full strength Australia, in Australia; the most daunting task in the game for bowlers. More than the bowling, I think Indian fielding was atrocious in both games.

Also, the wickets are absolute roads - despite defending 375+, twice Aussie bowlers also conceded 300+ and their show wasn’t much better either - Aussies batted first and put mammoth totals both times, then buried Indian batting under scoreboard; but with new ball, their pacers were equally horrible. The game needs more balance - this is becoming inhuman for bowlers.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Hopefully Bhuvi gets fit soon.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

They just aren’t very good.

Bumrah is not the bowler he was pre-injury.

Shami is just a right-arm Neil Wagner.

Chahal makes Shadab Khan look like Shane Warne.

Jadeja has never been a real bowler, he just bowls well in Tests on doctored wickets.

Pandya is just not fit.

Genuine question, why do you rate Shadab so much? I do too, but I typically expect non-Pakistanis to write him off.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Players like Bumrah are need to rest properly, no need to play all matches in IPL.
We already lost Bhuvi.

Wakeup BCCI

Have been saying this for the past few years but you guys only realize and bring this up whenever India gets a phainta. Why should BCCI wake up? I thought market forces and public want to see Bumrah play each and every game of IPL lol? Now please don't give these excuses.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

I don't understand why India don't play that Chinaman bowler.

Because Jadeja is Kohli's best friend.

To be honest, Kuldeep Yadav deserves a permanent spot in XI. He can be a wicket taking option in middle overs.

Jadeja's only advantage over Yadav is fielding and friendship with Kohli

This test series gonna be a long one for India. Their bowlers better find lost rhythm before the 1st test.

 

[Rana]

Because Jadeja is Kohli's best friend.

To be honest, Kuldeep Yadav deserves a permanent spot in XI. He can be a wicket taking option in middle overs.

Jadeja's only advantage over Yadav is fielding and friendship with Kohli

This test series gonna be a long one for India. Their bowlers better find their rhythm before the 1st test.

Aussies will slog sweep Yadav into the southern Indian Ocean right now.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Aussies will slog sweep Yadav into the southern Indian Ocean right now.

True, but he might get wickets in the process.
Plus, a leggie is always more entertaining than a left arm spinner. Although, as Warne was saying, some bowlers are not spinners, they're just slow bowlers. I think Jadeja or Imad Wasim are glorified darters, nothing more.

They're already conceding 370+. How worse can Kuldeep bowl?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

India's bowling no longer has the depth it had when Pandya was bowling full-time. On top of that their strike bowler has had an atrocious year which has meant no wickets upfront and more pressure on the other bowlers, who have responded to that responsibility poorly. Shami who is probably the oldest guy in the squad seems like the only one who is even a remote threat.

Also, I question the inclusion of Saini. Does not seem like anything impressive. Has pace but that pace has only been useful in sending the ball to the boundary even quickly.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Apart from age, injury, quality and other staffs written here most posters are missing the big white elephant in the room - they are playing against a full strength Australia, in Australia; the most daunting task in the game for bowlers. More than the bowling, I think Indian fielding was atrocious in both games.

Also, the wickets are absolute roads - despite defending 375+, twice Aussie bowlers also conceded 300+ and their show wasn’t much better either - Aussies batted first and put mammoth totals both times, then buried Indian batting under scoreboard; but with new ball, their pacers were equally horrible. The game needs more balance - this is becoming inhuman for bowlers.

Yes, this exactly. 21 years ago in a tri-series final, a Pakistani attack comprising Wasim/Waqar/Shoaib/Saqlain/peak Razzaq conceded 337 at the SCG and that was when there was only 1 ball with a better seam, inferior bats, and the outfields were not as quick. Very difficult to gauge the quality of bowling based on the scores alone.

 

[Amjid Javed]

ODIs are already to favoured now towards the batsmen, and balance needs to be adressed. Who whole 2 new ball thing may work in some conditions but it doesnt in others. The white ball rarely offers much assistance in Australia.

In saying that india have been poor at start of inns and warner and finch will just pummel quick runs all time and Aussies will continue to score big totals if games are like this. Indias fielding is normal pretty good but in these two games its been as bad as you use to see 30 years ago.

Whilst india are down in dumps here the WC will be in different conditions so they have time to gain better results and prep for world cup when they start playing odis at home.

On a side note i see mamoon hasnt made any comment here, if this was pakistan bowlers being pasted like this he would be berating pakistani cricket left right and centre.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

They are missing B.kumar. He can swing the ball

Shami and Bumrah are not swinging the ball upfront, both matches they couldn’t take a wicket till 150 runs scored or 20 overs bowled.


No early wickets, then always have to do catchup which they did and couldn’t control the flow of runs.

Chahal has become toothless, probably should try k.yadav in the next game. Also should drop saini and bring the one or both of the newbies in siraj or natarajan for the the next game.

 

[Rana]

ODIs are already to favoured now towards the batsmen, and balance needs to be adressed. Who whole 2 new ball thing may work in some conditions but it doesnt in others. The white ball rarely offers much assistance in Australia.

In saying that india have been poor at start of inns and warner and finch will just pummel quick runs all time and Aussies will continue to score big totals if games are like this. Indias fielding is normal pretty good but in these two games its been as bad as you use to see 30 years ago.

Whilst india are down in dumps here the WC will be in different conditions so they have time to gain better results and prep for world cup when they start playing odis at home.

On a side note i see mamoon hasnt made any comment here, if this was pakistan bowlers being pasted like this he would be berating pakistani cricket left right and centre.

Mamoon wrote somewhere that we Pakistanis do not have the Privilege to criticise Indian cricket team because we are a rubbish cricket team

 

[Imy]

Burmah is still a wonderful bowler, but does not seem like the same bowler 2 years ago, which makes sense after stress fractures. Look at Waqar etc they might claim otherwise but they were never the same ( even though they were still very good)

 

[Amjid Javed]

Mamoon wrote somewhere that we Pakistanis do not have the Privilege to criticise Indian cricket team because we are a rubbish cricket team

All fans are allowed to speak there minds and opinions no matter how well or bad pakistan is doing. Mamoon must be licking his wounds at fact india have been given a pasting here in both games.

 

[andy0204]

Someone who has ability to take wickets with a new ball which Bumrah,Shami doesn't have.
Bhuvi is an injury prone for last 2 years,Only option remains is Deepak Chahar as he can swing the ball at decent pace.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Nothing is wrong. India has the best all-round bowling attack in world cricket by a country mile. Saini has mad potential and bowls express pace, not sure what anyone is about on this forum.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

“India can win matches with this bowling” - Inzamam ul Haq

 

[aloo paratha]

Have been saying this for the past few years but you guys only realize and bring this up whenever India gets a phainta. Why should BCCI wake up? I thought market forces and public want to see Bumrah play each and every game of IPL lol? Now please don't give these excuses.

Rohit also missing out due to IPL.

 

[aloo paratha]

it's funny whenever somebody says it's because Bhuvneshwar Kumar is missing. He averages 34.6 not 20.6

 

[Savak]

When have India been a superior ODI bowling line up, they failed against England in England in 2018, don't be fooled by showings against a mentally weak Pakistani side in the Asia Cup and a once in a lifetime showing against the weakest Australian team in history in 2018-19.

 

[Shah]

Indian bowling sucks. It was never right for it to go wrong.

 

[Savak]

Indian's bowling attack got hyped when they had 2 spinners in Kuldeep and Chahal, they can't afford to play them in the same team anymore because it apparently weakens the batting

 

[Mrhandsome]

Nothing 'happened'. They never really were 'it' to begin with. India has always been carried by its wonderful batting and now when the talent is not coming up to replace Sachin, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Dravid etc they are failing.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Flat pitches. Same reason why Starc is flopping. Struggling to name a bowling unit that won’t get spanked here.

Also, Saini is just bad.

 

[tyron_woodley]

it's funny whenever somebody says it's because Bhuvneshwar Kumar is missing. He averages 34.6 not 20.6

He averages 25 vs Pakistan and he has finch's number. 5 in 7 games..

 

[tyron_woodley]

When have India been a superior ODI bowling line up, they failed against England in England in 2018, don't be fooled by showings against a mentally weak Pakistani side in the Asia Cup and a once in a lifetime showing against the weakest Australian team in history in 2018-19.

Flattest patta pitches..
Indian bowling is till top quality. Let's see how Aussies do when they hat second on these pancakes under lights.

No attack can bowl in these condtions. Not Aussies not India and definitely not Pakistan.

 

[moghul]

I still think Saini is one to keep faith on, he will learn from this . He will be India's top bowler in 2 years.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Excuses but legit excuses.
1) IPL. Yes you need a huge break after a gruelling comp. Desis are too dumb to realise workload management. Money talks I guess
2) no Rohit. Imagine Rohit on these flat decks
3) bowling is harder during the day. Australia had better bowling conditions under lights and still conceded over 300 too.
4) no Bhuvi who would be useful with the new ball. His record says 34. But 34 > saini's 60. Also Bhuvi can bat.
Bhuvi also is very underrated. One of those players wher stats don't do him enough justice.
Saini will learn though. Shouldn't discard him. Needs to know what lengths and variations to bowl.

 

[Bewal Express]

Flattest patta pitches..
Indian bowling is till top quality. Let's see how Aussies do when they hat second on these pancakes under lights.

No attack can bowl in these condtions. Not Aussies not India and definitely not Pakistan.

And when they do, you will find another excuse.

 

[aloo paratha]

He averages 25 vs Pakistan and he has finch's number. 5 in 7 games..

Who cares what he averages against us, you're not playing us.

Sure Finch may have been his bunny, it's not necessary he'd remain his bunny. Even if he did, what about Smith, Warner, Labuschagne, Maxwell?

 

[Thomaskutty]

Good points by tyrone. Losing Rohit and the toss is a valid excuse. This pitch is unforgiving for bowlers.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Who cares what he averages against us, you're not playing us.

Sure Finch may have been his bunny, it's not necessary he'd remain his bunny. Even if he did, what about Smith, Warner, Labuschagne, Maxwell?

Watch Australia play? I watch them as I live in Australia. If finch doesn't fire they always lose. When finch is out early it's over.

Also replace Saini who averages 60 with Bhuvi who average 30 vs Australia. You don't think that would make a difference as Saini is still new and learning to bowl in overseas condtions. C'mon man. Get real.

 

[tyron_woodley]

And when they do, you will find another excuse.

We are not at full strength though. And boys just played IPl. You have to be fair. They are still humans not bloody machines. They need rest.

Aussies can still win as they know the condtions well even if they bat second but it would be a lot lot harder under lights.

 

[angrypathan]

I still think Saini is one to keep faith on, he will learn from this . He will be India's top bowler in 2 years.

He's already 28 years old. If he doesn't deliver soon he'll likely be dropped and replaced by someone younger

 

[aloo paratha]

Watch Australia play? I watch them as I live in Australia. If finch doesn't fire they always lose. When finch is out early it's over.

Also replace Saini who averages 60 with Bhuvi who average 30 vs Australia. You don't think that would make a difference as Saini is still new and learning to bowl in overseas condtions. C'mon man. Get real.

Yeah he'll obviously be better than Saini, I'm just saying it's funny when people act like him being back would greatly change India's fortunes. He's not Glenn McGrath or Wasim Akram to where he can change the whole outcome of a match with his 10 overs.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Yeah he'll obviously be better than Saini, I'm just saying it's funny when people act like him being back would greatly change India's fortunes. He's not Glenn McGrath or Wasim Akram to where he can change the whole outcome of a match with his 10 overs.

He can also bat. He can make a difference. I never said he is McGrath. Odi and even tests is all about balance. He adds perfect balance to the Indian team. Either way we dint play at full strength though.
Well Saini blew the game away. Bhuvi may have got wickets early as he is more than capable with the new ball. He is a fine exponent of swing bowling.

India's issue in flat pitches is we don't have good swing bowlers who can take wickets with the new ball. That's why Bhuvi is important for balance. Doesn't mean he is a better bowler than bumrah or Shami.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

He can also bat. He can make a difference. I never said he is McGrath. Odi and even tests is all about balance. He adds perfect balance to the Indian team. Either way we dint play at full strength though.
Well Saini blew the game away. Bhuvi may have got wickets early as he is more than capable with the new ball. He is a fine exponent of swing bowling.

India's issue in flat pitches is we don't have good swing bowlers who can take wickets with the new ball. That's why Bhuvi is important for balance. Doesn't mean he is a better bowler than bumrah or Shami.

Balance or not you still need to bowl economically and score runs. Bhuvi is much better than Saini in both respects, but I hope he returns to full form first.

 

[MMHS]

Long back in 90s, there were couple of pacers from India, and quite fast as well - one had WY like run-up and another one Jeff Thommo like action - Dodda Ganesh and David Johnson.

This guy Saini purane din ko yaad dila dia .....

 

[Usman Chadda]

This thread is utterly disrespectful. Watch Saini take a five wicket haul with his blistering pace next game, and let the bhangras start. You armchair critics have no clue about true greatness after following an average team like Pakistan.

 

[Bewal Express]

We are not at full strength though. And boys just played IPl. You have to be fair. They are still humans not bloody machines. They need rest.

Aussies can still win as they know the condtions well even if they bat second but it would be a lot lot harder under lights.

They didnt have to- on the one hand you boast about the prowess of the IPL and on the other, you hide behind it, when you lose. Surely, if the BCCI have these billions, then where do they go.

 

[silentkiller187]

This is what happens when you believe the pinnacle of cricket is the IPL. When it comes to real intensity there's no cheerleaders to hide behind.

 

[tyron_woodley]

They didnt have to- on the one hand you boast about the prowess of the IPL and on the other, you hide behind it, when you lose. Surely, if the BCCI have these billions, then where do they go.

BCCI have billions. Players don't buddy.
iPL is a gruelling format. You play every second day against some good level of talent. you need a break after a competitive tournament.
I blame our management more than anything.

 

[Bewal Express]

BCCI have billions. Players don't buddy.
iPL is a gruelling format. You play every second day against some good level of talent. you need a break after a competitive tournament.
I blame our management more than anything.

The job of the BCCI is to look after the Ind cricket team and if it has billions, who are they for? Compensate the players and let them rest

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

We are not at full strength though. And boys just played IPl. You have to be fair. They are still humans not bloody machines. They need rest.

Aussies can still win as they know the condtions well even if they bat second but it would be a lot lot harder under lights.

Lol what a dumb excuse. Do you remember your reply when I said 'aur khelo IPL' when Bumrah got injured? You said 'ofcourse, they will play IPL lol'. Now why are you giving this silly excuse now? That too for a useless ODI match?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

They didnt have to- on the one hand you boast about the prowess of the IPL and on the other, you hide behind it, when you lose. Surely, if the BCCI have these billions, then where do they go.

They were enjoying IPL few weeks ago and were laughing at me and calling me jealous for pointing these same things. I wanted Bumrah to not play in IPL before an important tour like Australia.

These lollipop fans were trying to convince me that IPL is the top most priority for Indian cricket and australian series is just another series even if we lose. Now look at how they are giving excuses after every loss. Aur khelo IPL.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

This is what happens when you believe the pinnacle of cricket is the IPL. When it comes to real intensity there's no cheerleaders to hide behind.

Exactly. But may be that is why they prefer IPL. These pyjama league fans are too sensitive for top class international cricket. They can't take a loss sportingly hence they prefer a league where all teams are Indian and all players are bhai bhai even if they lose. They want to sleep without feeling bad. There is no loyality in IPL.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Long back in 90s, there were couple of pacers from India, and quite fast as well - one had WY like run-up and another one Jeff Thommo like action - Dodda Ganesh and David Johnson.

This guy Saini purane din ko yaad dila dia .....

Yeah lol. I think Johnson only played one match under Azharuddin's captaincy. He had long hair back then like Akhtar. His run up was faster than his bowling. I think he got injured or something after that match and didn't play for India again.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Lol what a dumb excuse. Do you remember your reply when I said 'aur khelo IPL' when Bumrah got injured? You said 'ofcourse, they will play IPL lol'. Now why are you giving this silly excuse now? That too for a useless ODI match?

Err I wouldn't even play our key players for pointless bilaterals. But our dumb management does. Besides IPl is where players make big money. It's natural to expect them to play.

Money talks mate. More money in IpL so it's expected to see Top players play. Management should have rested them better for the Australia series. That's all

No excuses. Just stating facts. Why risk playing these pointless games when you have a major test series to play for.

 

[silentkiller187]

Err I wouldn't even play our key players for pointless bilaterals. But our dumb management does. Besides IPl is where players make big money. It's natural to expect them to play.

Money talks mate. More money in IpL so it's expected to see Top players play. Management should have rested them better for the Australia series. That's all

No excuses. Just stating facts. Why risk playing these pointless games when you have a major test series to play for.

This kind of mentality is the reason why India has been struggling in ICC tournaments recently, bilaterals are pointless but IPL pyjma party isn't?

I would question why the player had to play the whole IPL rather than international fixtures, aussies hardly play the whole BBL season, english players hardly play in their t20 blast. Yet indian players have to fulfill their contracts and play every game to please the marketeers, BCCI has billions why cant they subsidies this for the franchises if this is an issue.

 

[Ab Fan]

My bowling attack for next ODI Vs Australia will be:-

Shardul Thakur ( high quality new bowl bowler)
Mohammad Shami ( high quality new bowl and old bowl bowler)
T Natarajan( high quality old bowl bowler)
Kuldeep Yadav ( high quality Chinaman spinner)
Ravindra Jadeja ( high quality economical bowler)
Hardik Pandya ( high quality unfit bowler)

Bumrah will be rested while Shami can be rested for 1st T20. After that, play the warm-ups.

 

[Bewal Express]

My bowling attack for next ODI Vs Australia will be:-

Shardul Thakur ( high quality new bowl bowler)
Mohammad Shami ( high quality new bowl and old bowl bowler)
T Natarajan( high quality old bowl bowler)
Kuldeep Yadav ( high quality Chinaman spinner)
Ravindra Jadeja ( high quality economical bowler)
Hardik Pandya ( high quality unfit bowler)

Bumrah will be rested while Shami can be rested for 1st T20. After that, play the warm-ups.

Because you put the words high quality doesn't make them high quality They are good solid bowlers but none of these guys are top notch. Yadav looked destined to go places but looks a shadow of the bowler he was, lacking both confidence and control

 

[Thunderbolt14]

My bowling attack for next ODI Vs Australia will be:-

Shardul Thakur ( high quality new bowl bowler)
Mohammad Shami ( high quality new bowl and old bowl bowler)
T Natarajan( high quality old bowl bowler)
Kuldeep Yadav ( high quality Chinaman spinner)
Ravindra Jadeja ( high quality economical bowler)
Hardik Pandya ( high quality unfit bowler)

Bumrah will be rested while Shami can be rested for 1st T20. After that, play the warm-ups.

What does high quality unfit bowler mean?

 

[OldWarHorse]

He can also bat. He can make a difference. I never said he is McGrath. Odi and even tests is all about balance. He adds perfect balance to the Indian team. Either way we dint play at full strength though.
Well Saini blew the game away. Bhuvi may have got wickets early as he is more than capable with the new ball. He is a fine exponent of swing bowling.

India's issue in flat pitches is we don't have good swing bowlers who can take wickets with the new ball. That's why Bhuvi is important for balance. Doesn't mean he is a better bowler than bumrah or Shami.

Bhuvi has lost his swing a while back, he is no wicket taker either. Truth is we have no quality as a bowling unit left once the Chahal-Kuldeep duo stopped performing. Bumrah has been figured out as well, though I expect him to do better in T20s

 

[OldWarHorse]

Because you put the words high quality doesn't make them high quality They are good solid bowlers but none of these guys are top notch. Yadav looked destined to go places but looks a shadow of the bowler he was, lacking both confidence and control

Apart from Shami, nobody else in that line up deserves the word quality associated with them, let alone "high quality"

 

[tyron_woodley]

Bhuvi has lost his swing a while back, he is no wicket taker either. Truth is we have no quality as a bowling unit left once the Chahal-Kuldeep duo stopped performing. Bumrah has been figured out as well, though I expect him to do better in T20s

Uhm we just beat full strength Aussies in India this year.

Stop overreacting. It's flat Pattas. No top bowler is able to perform well on such pitches s

 

[tyron_woodley]

Bhuvi has lost his swing a while back, he is no wicket taker either. Truth is we have no quality as a bowling unit left once the Chahal-Kuldeep duo stopped performing. Bumrah has been figured out as well, though I expect him to do better in T20s

Bhuvi is a quality player and he is actually good in Australia in short formats. He also has finch's number.

 

[shamaan]

This thread is utterly disrespectful. Watch Saini take a five wicket haul with his blistering pace next game, and let the bhangras start. You armchair critics have no clue about true greatness after following an average team like Pakistan.

Let us criticise his performance like you critcise our young bowlers

 

[shamaan]

I still think Saini is one to keep faith on, he will learn from this . He will be India's top bowler in 2 years.

Hes already 28 in 2 years hes going to be 30 great talent aint he

 

[OMB]

Chahal has lost management's confidence, Kuldeep out of sorts: Laxman calls declining spin quality alarming


Former India cricketer VVS Laxman recently shared his views on India's increasing woes in the spin department as he urged the team to look for new personnel ahead of the ODI World Cup in 2023.

Former India cricketer VVS Laxman had termed the 'steady decline' in the quality of India's bowling attack as alarming. Laxman feels both Yuzvendra Chahal and Kuldeep Yadav have failed to impress consistently and the team management should start looking for other options ahead of the T20 World Cup this year followed by another one next year and the ODI World Cup in 2023.

Chahal and Kuldeep known as the 'Kulcha' pair were once lynchpins of India's bowling attack in white-ball cricket. However, they have both massively struggled in the past couple of years across all formats. Laxman feels the decline in the spin quality for India in ODIs is particularly more alarming with the next ODI World Cup scheduled to take place in India in 2023.

"With three World Cups lined up over the next two and a half years, there is a pressing need to ensure the presence of a sixth bowling option at all times. More alarming is the steady decline in the quality of spin bowling in the 50-over format, specifically. Lack of skillsets will be exposed more damningly in this variant," Laxman wrote in his column for Times of India.

"Yuzvendra Chahal seems to have lost the confidence of the team management and Kuldeep Yadav has been out of sorts for a while. With the 50-over World Cup more than two years away, it is imperative that the net is cast far and wide and personnel capable of taking wickets in the middle overs identified and persisted with so that they grow into their roles by the time of the mega event," he added.

Chahal was part of the India squad in both ODIs and T20Is in the recently-concluded series against England. The leggie managed to play just three games in the T20I series before being dropped for the final two games. He was made to warm the bench in the ODIs where India decided to go with Kuldeep, who also disappointed as he returned wicket-less in two matches.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports/cricket/article/chahal-has-lost-managements-confidence-kuldeep-out-of-sorts-laxman-calls-declining-spin-quality-alarming/739363

 

[King_Kohli]

Chahal has lost management's confidence, Kuldeep out of sorts: Laxman calls declining spin quality alarming


Former India cricketer VVS Laxman recently shared his views on India's increasing woes in the spin department as he urged the team to look for new personnel ahead of the ODI World Cup in 2023.

Former India cricketer VVS Laxman had termed the 'steady decline' in the quality of India's bowling attack as alarming. Laxman feels both Yuzvendra Chahal and Kuldeep Yadav have failed to impress consistently and the team management should start looking for other options ahead of the T20 World Cup this year followed by another one next year and the ODI World Cup in 2023.

Chahal and Kuldeep known as the 'Kulcha' pair were once lynchpins of India's bowling attack in white-ball cricket. However, they have both massively struggled in the past couple of years across all formats. Laxman feels the decline in the spin quality for India in ODIs is particularly more alarming with the next ODI World Cup scheduled to take place in India in 2023.

"With three World Cups lined up over the next two and a half years, there is a pressing need to ensure the presence of a sixth bowling option at all times. More alarming is the steady decline in the quality of spin bowling in the 50-over format, specifically. Lack of skillsets will be exposed more damningly in this variant," Laxman wrote in his column for Times of India.

"Yuzvendra Chahal seems to have lost the confidence of the team management and Kuldeep Yadav has been out of sorts for a while. With the 50-over World Cup more than two years away, it is imperative that the net is cast far and wide and personnel capable of taking wickets in the middle overs identified and persisted with so that they grow into their roles by the time of the mega event," he added.

Chahal was part of the India squad in both ODIs and T20Is in the recently-concluded series against England. The leggie managed to play just three games in the T20I series before being dropped for the final two games. He was made to warm the bench in the ODIs where India decided to go with Kuldeep, who also disappointed as he returned wicket-less in two matches.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports/cricket/article/chahal-has-lost-managements-confidence-kuldeep-out-of-sorts-laxman-calls-declining-spin-quality-alarming/739363

These experts demands more opportunities for out of form batsmen.
But they want to sack bowlers straight away.

 

[UzmanBeast]

These experts demands more opportunities for out of form batsmen.
But they want to sack bowlers straight away.

Both Kuldeep and Chahal are quality spinners no doubt, but they are desperately out of form.

Chahal is perhaps one of the most expensive wrist spinners in T20Is right now, and he doesn't pick up enough wickets to make it seem reasonable.

Kuldeep too is out of form, but India have some reliable options in Sundar, Axar, and Rahul Chahar. If not, it might be time to introduce Ashwin into the white-ball setup, because if he keeps it tight, that's good enough for the middle overs.