What's so special about Sohail Tanvir? | Tanvir vs Akhtar vs Anybody Else

[kaalakawaa]

He reminds us how English must have started to learn how to bowl in the 19th century. Just take a few steps and bowl some dollies with guile and smarts. No need to worry about seam or swing.

 

[flawed_genius]

His bowling action makes it seem like he has dislocated his shoulders while delivering the ball.

 

[sanakazmi]

he's good at the death.

 

[WithLoveFromCanada]

he's good at the death.

but how come? 'only' through slower balls? i dont think too many slow balls will work against India / Australia etc.

 

[kkmix]

His hairstyle and Micheal Jackson look?

 

[Strike!]

He started bowling well in his last spell, I think he needs to stop bowling round the wicket and stay conventional.

 

[WithLoveFromCanada]

He started bowling well in his last spell, I think he needs to stop bowling round the wicket and stay conventional.

but my question is when he has ball in his hand what kind of deliveries would you expect him to bowl?...ex from umar gul you'd expect a yorker at death...tanvir doesnt have pace...

 

[Mobashir]

I really like Sohail as a one day cricketer but i admitt he was not that good today.

But, don't forget he is playing international cricket after some time.
If the balls swings, he is very good with the new ball (gul and riaz aren't) and at the death he is also good through slow balls but also with yorkers... He can bowl some very good yorkerS. I will play him this series and then see how good he is.

 

[zimran72]

He used to be a brilliant opening bowler back a couple of years. Used to get a lot of swing and was actually able to swing it both ways. A better version of Praveen Kumar if you will but in the two games he has played here he has looked atrocious because it appears that he has lost his swing. Without swing he is an exceptionally useless player because he has got nothing but a slower ball as his variation.

 

[Desire]

i was his biggest fan but he has let me down. there is nothing special i have seen so far in this series.

 

[Ironcat]

Gul's yorkers only work against tailenders these days. Gul's ODI bowling is more than just yorkers.

If Tanvir can notch his fastest delivery up to 135K, he can have just as much guile in ODIs. He can still be handy in the WC cuz almost every team will face him only once.

 

[Ironcat]

That said, Tanvir's fielding is atrocious.

 

[Rizz Khan]

Replace Him With Shoaib.

 

[Ryw]

Can anyone tell me what to expect from Sohail Tanvir in World Cup? What's his top delivery? What variety he brings to the attack which Rana/Arafat/Rao or even Gul/Wahab/Aamer/Asif cant?

For example in a tight situation where 40 runs is required from 30 balls, you'd expect Gul to bowl yorkers..but what do you expect Sohail Tanvir to bowl?...his top delivery? how will he contain runs?

My dear friend He is the key bowler for afridi in powerplay at the depth look at him bowling in powerplay all batsman were strugling to hit him inspite fielders were inside the circle PATA NAHI KAHAN KAHAN say log aa jatay hain stupid qism ki thread lay k CONGRAULATION TEAM PAKISTAN

 

[ads101]

I'm a fan of Riaz but I'm starting to think Tanvir is a better option. Yes he's slower than the other quicks Riaz, Gul, Akhtar (who are all pretty fast). But he's much more of a different bowling option than the other three. He provides something different which will unsettle the batsmen, and will likely lead to wickets.

Having said that, from what I've seen of him I don't rate him too highly. Rana Naved may have been a better option. But you have to work with the bowlers we have in the squad. While I may think Riaz is a better bowler than Tanvir, I think Gul, Akhtar, Tanvir combination offers more variety.

 

[emclub]

He's got variations at death Slowers, Yorkers

 

[Genghis]

Personally I would rather have Rana in the side as I think he offers more with the bat and is a smarter bowler with better variation. I would assume it is Rana's past disciplinary record which worked against him making it into the squad, because his form once again this year for the KFC Big Bash has been spectacular.

 

[Genghis]

Personally I would rather have Rana in the side as I think he offers more with the bat and is a smarter bowler with better variation. I would assume it is Rana's past disciplinary record which worked against him making it into the squad, because his form once again this year for the KFC Big Bash has been spectacular.

Actually just as I say so, my 4 year old son who is watching highlight of the KFC Big Bash now just said "Yeh motu kaun hain" pointing at Rana.

 

[hamzie]

sohail tanvir sucks.. dont even know why he is in the squad.

 

[umar_headingly]

he's not good enough for the squad .. id rather have shoaib.... he cant balll... cant bat ... cant field this guys a joke ... when he first burst on the sceane he was unplayable now hes been figured out and injured he looks like the crapper and ugliest player to play for pakistan ... painfull to watch him bowl and look at him

 

[pakistandiehardfan]

He was bowling those slower bowls quite well I guess, good change of pace.

But in reality, on the subcontinent, this guy is gunna be sent to the cleaners. (lack of pace and swing nowadays)

 

[Sledger]

Nothing. He is very average, always has been.

Bits and pieces player tbh, good for Mickey Mouse tournaments like the IPL - won't be consistent with bat, ball or in the field. Now that people are used to his action and even those who haven't faced him have discussed how to best tackle that, the second half (i.e. the ball coming down) is pretty easy to hit. Very floaty 70mpher, can't swing the ball back in, can't trouble people with yorkers/bouncers etc.
Wahab is basically a better version of him.

 

[Down2Earth]

rubbish bowler, for some reason afridi has a thing for him, just like he does for shahzaib

 

[Prince_Pathan]

nothing

hes rubbish lol
this series they should have tried a young bowler...junaid khan has dissaperd from the face of the earth by the looks of things

 

[sully3]

the weakest link in the current line up.

i actually can not believe he is keeping shoaib akthar out... anyone who is above us in the ranking table would quiet literally slaughter him in the world cup.

 

[Rizwan25]

Actually just as I say so, my 4 year old son who is watching highlight of the KFC Big Bash now just said "Yeh motu kaun hain" pointing at Rana.

)

 

[Rizwan25]

the weakest link in the current line up.

i actually can not believe he is keeping shoaib akthar out... anyone who is above us in the ranking table would quiet literally slaughter him in the world cup.

:kami

WC maay tou Allah hi hafiz ho gaa if Afridi picks him over Akhtar..

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

Sohail is not valid of a place in the squad

(Rizwan, what's the name of your friend that was in WI for 20-20 that's from Coventry- am working there as GP during WC, am hoping to watch some parts of a Pak match w/a Pak fan there during breaks)

 

[SAF]

He is crap. One of the worst, a little better than Sami. But still he is crap.

I would much rather have Rana over him in the WC.

 

[Theo_14]

What has he done to deserve a side in the ODI series, infact... how on EARTH is he in the World cup squad?

He clearly lacks match fitness - lacks consistency when it comes to line and length and I don't feel too confident when it comes to Tanvir fielding.

I don't know why he celebrated the wickets he took - the wicket taking deliveries were awfull and I guess the luck on his side will soon be gone.

 

[*sallu*]

the weakest link in the current line up.

i actually can not believe he is keeping shoaib akthar out... anyone who is above us in the ranking table would quiet literally slaughter him in the world cup.

Relax, no one is keeping anyone out

They are just rotating the bowlers

No need to get so emotional

 

[Cricket_MN]

Sohail Tanvir was an average bowler and always will be. When he first came other batsmen were not used to his action, so, he succeeded in taking wickets.

 

[pakistan_pride1]

suks like crap

 

[yadunoe]

I really like Sohail as a one day cricketer but i admitt he was not that good today.

But, don't forget he is playing international cricket after some time.
If the balls swings, he is very good with the new ball (gul and riaz aren't) and at the death he is also good through slow balls but also with yorkers... He can bowl some very good yorkerS. I will play him this series and then see how good he is.

agreed i got very angry with him but i realized he hasnt played for a long time so give him some time we will see after this series

 

[blinding light]

Used to be a great fan of the guy, but looks like his injuries have gotten the better of him. Until and unless he gets his swing back, he's a nothing bowler. Slow balls alone would get him nowhere. He's not an express pace bowler, has a lot of trouble bowling yorkers (his attempted yorkers often turn into full toss pies that are smashed around everywhere). Waqar needs to work with him specially since he'll be going to the WC.

Praying Aamer gets back.

His hairstyle and Micheal Jackson look?

Michael would be shifting in his grave.

 

[Energy]

The guy is not as bad as people here are making him look. The only drop I see with him is his ability to produce the yorkers at the death. Apart from that he has dropped in pace but that will gradually pick up as he plays more and more.

Not the greatest of bowlers in the squad but definitely deserves his place in there.

 

[Stewie]

we really dont need him in the world cup... too many death bowlers.. arafat would have been a better choice

 

[Awesome_Username]

You can't see what's special about this guy?

Seriously?

 

[Down2Earth]

You can't see what's special about this guy?

Seriously?

 

[Obeid]

I don't think Tanvir has a role in this world cup, because in our best XI team, we would have Akhtar in over Tanvir.

So really, he's just the waterboy.

 

[786warrior]

Nothing, absolutely nothing special!

Stock delivery - juicy half volley on leg stump, regularly too!!

 

[WithLoveFromCanada]

My dear friend He is the key bowler for afridi in powerplay at the depth look at him bowling in powerplay all batsman were strugling to hit him inspite fielders were inside the circle PATA NAHI KAHAN KAHAN say log aa jatay hain stupid qism ki thread lay k CONGRAULATION TEAM PAKISTAN

lol maybe you should see what other 10-20+ people have said before opening your mouth ...anyways, I'm not against him but rather learning about him.

 

[PakWC'11Champs]

Nothing, but he balances out the team.

Just like for months so many were complaining about Hafeez and what he brought to the side, the same should eventually turn out with Tanvir if he can gain some consistency and confidence through match play.

You need an opening bowler who doesn't do the same redundant things other bowlers do. I mean if PP'ers had their way, we'd have 4 fast bowlers bowling 95 mph for 40 overs of the game. What good teams have is a variety of bowlers to use.

Tanvir is no match winner, but he brings a bowling style that compliments our quicker attacking bowlers. We have plenty of them in Gul, Akhtar, Riaz.

Truth is, if not for Amir being suspended, Tanvir would not be needed. Since Amir is out, we have to replace him. I don't see a better left handed option with experience at the national level. Junaid Khan hasn't played a game and obviously didn't impress the coaching staff enough to get even 1 game when he was with the team. For now, Tanvir was the best choice to replace Amir's spot.

I mean not like our bowling has been weak in either game. 3 wickets for him in 17 overs of play. Shoaib has gone wicket less in 4 overs being smacked around. Razzaq hasn't taken a wicket in 2 games. I mean, say what you want about Tanvir, but he's a decent bowler who seems to be able to take wickets. I rate him behind Gul, Riaz and Akhtar, but he compliments Gul and Riaz more than an Akhtar would. Plus he can hit the bat a bit.

Only reason I want to drop him is atrocious fielding.

I'd combine our specialist bowlers as follows.

Lineup 1: Gul, Tanvir, Riaz, Ajmal
Lineup 2: Akhtar, Tanvir, Gul, Rehman
Lineup 3: Akhtar, Tanvir, Riaz, Ajmal

When you pick a team you have to think about the entire team and not just individual talent. Tanvir is far less of an individual talent than Shoaib Akhtar, but thus far I see him compliment our team well. He hasn't even played international cricket at this format for 2 years. In 2 matches, 3 wickets and less than 6 runs an over. I'm not saying he's great, but he certainly isn't awful either.

 

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Nothing. He is very average, always has been.

Bits and pieces player tbh, good for Mickey Mouse tournaments like the IPL - won't be consistent with bat, ball or in the field. Now that people are used to his action and even those who haven't faced him have discussed how to best tackle that, the second half (i.e. the ball coming down) is pretty easy to hit. Very floaty 70mpher, can't swing the ball back in, can't trouble people with yorkers/bouncers etc.
Wahab is basically a better version of him.

Nothing, absolutely nothing special!

Stock delivery - juicy half volley on leg stump, regularly too!!

he's a nothing bowler. Slow balls alone would get him nowhere. He's not an express pace bowler, has a lot of trouble bowling yorkers (his attempted yorkers often turn into full toss pies that are smashed around everywhere). Waqar needs to work with him specially since he'll be going to the WC.

Going by that and other comments, one can read along the lines that there's nothing quality about him (average at best) and probably doesnt deserve a place in the side.

 

[786warrior]

Going by that and other comments, one can read along the lines that there's nothing quality about him (average at best) and probably doesnt deserve a place in the side.

He's what you recover when you scrape the barrel of our bowling resources!!!

I think he was awesome and novel when he first came on the intl scene and in IPL - it's been all down hill since then!!

If I'm not mistaken he was in the last 20/20 WC during the prelim games and he got seriously whupped everywhere - served regular legside half volleys that if the batsmen hadn't connected they would probably have gone for 4 wides!!

 

[*syed59*]

Yasir Arafat to Tanvir

Better batsman
Better fieldsman
Equal bowler ?

Should have been Arafat for me.

 

[786warrior]

Yasir Arafat to Tanvir

Better batsman
Better fieldsman
Equal bowler ?

Should have been Arafat for me.

I don't know syed - last time yasir played for Pak (I think it's a long time now??) he didn't set the game alight either??!!

 

[iHammad]

The fact that he doesn't even look at the batsman, when delivering the ball -

 

[imshally81]

replace him with shoaib.

+1

 

[chui_kadoo]

Hes nothing special but hes always in the right place at the time.
He was lucky to play in the T20 world cup in 2007 since he was a last minute replacement for Shoaib Akhter.
Seems like yet again he will play in the starting 11 in the world cup instead of Shoaib Akhter.
He such a lucky guy. I feel sorry for Shoaib.
Afridi seems to be praising Tanvir after every game.
I am pretty sure Tanvir will get the nod ahead of Shoaib in the world cup.

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

he seems like he lost a lot of weight.Seems a bit loss on confidence as well.I remember during Wc t20 how he would stare the batsmen down and be aggressive generally.Been missing that flair.he's never been express pace but has always had the attitude of an express pace bowler.i guess you develop this attitude when rubbing shoulders with so many express pace bowlers like shoaib , waqar etc.He is missing that attitude now.Maybe thats why?

 

[*syed59*]

I don't know syed - last time yasir played for Pak (I think it's a long time now??) he didn't set the game alight either??!!

Neither of them have at any time in their int'l careers.

Arafat has a brilliant domestic/county record to show while Tanvir has his few wickets and runs in the FPL(fun premier league).

And by knowing their abilities, capacities and potential, I think its common sense in believing as to who has a better chance to better help this current squad to win matches.
Thats the point I think.

 

[osee_bhai]

As everyone is saying, he is our definite 4th seamer. We will probably play three or maybe even two seamers out of akhtar/gul/wahab, and then have afridi/ajmal bowl 20, with hafeez/razzaq bowling 10.
I agree he adds some variety, but end of the day I thought he bowled rubbish yesterday, and the wickets he got were fairly lucky in my opinion too. He definitely needs alot more match practice, and with his fitness, it would not surprise me if he gets injured before the world cup.

 

[the saint]

Is Sohail Tanvir Pakistan's Spearhead?

This is a rhetorical question where the answer is a big no. Sohail Tanvir is a supplementary bowl whose utility wears down once people get used to his action. Tanvir greatest asset is his action which in my opinion is his biggest indictment. He swings the ball away from the right hander with no control. He can't swing the ball back in. Wahab Riaz doesn't swing the ball, but he bowls with pace and bounce. Jacket boy also has a little something about him. Tanvir's biggest weakness is his lethargic attitude. Saeed Ajmal and Mohammad Yousuf look quick in the field compared to the young Tanvir because simply enough he doesn't try. Sohail Tanvir is not a spearhead and his lethargy brings the team down. In my opinion his quality of bowling is poor as well I would pick at least 6 to 7 other bowlers before I would pick him even without Aamir and Asif.

Waqar Younis wake up, leaving Shoaib Akhtar on the sidelines for this is a big mistake.

 

[ads101]

He's a real hard-head. So I guess he'd do the job.

 

[the saint]

Sohail tanvir is not a top bowler.

 

[Ryw]

This is a rhetorical question where the answer is a big no. Sohail Tanvir is a supplementary bowl whose utility wears down once people get used to his action. Tanvir greatest asset is his action which in my opinion is his biggest indictment. He swings the ball away from the right hander with no control. He can't swing the ball back in. Wahab Riaz doesn't swing the ball, but he bowls with pace and bounce. Jacket boy also has a little something about him. Tanvir's biggest weakness is his lethargic attitude. Saeed Ajmal and Mohammad Yousuf look quick in the field compared to the young Tanvir because simply enough he doesn't try. Sohail Tanvir is not a spearhead and his lethargy brings the team down. In my opinion his quality of bowling is poor as well I would pick at least 6 to 7 other bowlers before I would pick him even without Aamir and Asif.

Waqar Younis wake up, leaving Shoaib Akhtar on the sidelines for this is a big mistake.

well if he does nt perform i will be agree with you at the moment he is performing brillianly so no way shoaib 4 overs 46 runs aap is ko apnay sath khila lo 4 over main 46 runs hamain nahi chayay

 

[WithLoveFromCanada]

I think this thread should be merged with this

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=117136

 

[the saint]

u don't drop a player who has averaged 24 in 150 matches. 1 match and drop. This policy has killed our cricket.

 

[Ryw]

What has he done to deserve a side in the ODI series, infact... how on EARTH is he in the World cup squad?

He clearly lacks match fitness - lacks consistency when it comes to line and length and I don't feel too confident when it comes to Tanvir fielding.

I don't know why he celebrated the wickets he took - the wicket taking deliveries were awfull and I guess the luck on his side will soon be gone.

YOU have no sence if a bowler takes wickets he has the right to celeberate You have made a stupid comment

 

[yadunoe]

i thought shoaib was just being rested

 

[saeed-sohail]

If Churail Tanvir is our bowling spearhead then God help us.

 

[Savak]

Akhtar needs to replace him.

 

[sully3]

any team higher then us in the rankings table in a sub content pitch would humiliate tanvir, guptil was giving him a treatment imagine shewag or ghambir

 

[Rana]

Sohail Tanvir only has one weapon now.....his ugly, scarey hair!

 

[sully3]

the worrying thing was his speeds, he was slower then razzaq. for a specilaist bowler that is awful unless its a asif kind of bowler.

drop him for akthar or ajmal

 

[zakoota]

what wrong has he done guys to be dropped? This guy can bowl decent death overs, bat, catch cleanly. Pak fans are really obsessed with big names. Performance does matter for us, only big names we want to see. Drop the guys who r not glamorous like sohail tanvir , rao iftikhar no matter how well they perform. We need big names like akhtar, moyo, malik no matter how bad their form is.

 

[Down2Earth]

he's not even rawal pindi's spearhead and that's with aamer suspended

 

[pakistanbest]

Please stop the pain and next match replace him with Akhtar and then wd got our best possible ODI team

 

[IM NOT YOU]

its a disgrace that this clown made it into our world cup 15.

shameful.

 

[sunny_155]

Sohail Tanvir VS Shoaib Akhter



I have observed sohail tanvir bowling, his pace is down, it looks he is not bowling on correct line or length too, (he bowl a lot of balls on leg stump), his action is awkward, not very pleasing on eye, he doesnt look where he's pitching the ball (so there is no control in his bowling), you cant hope for any swing either (because ball doesnt come straight from his hand). All he does is use angle to get the edge of the bat, proper batsman won't have trouble picking him, (they can tell where the ball is going from the angle).

VS​

Now you have man (Shoaib Akhter) who is out of form, but still capable of bowling quick, he bowl straight, so their might be some swing (although its sub continent), he didnt ball too many bowls on leg compared to Sohail, with his aggression he in my opinion is better bowler, and should be used as new bowl bowler in WC.

Shoiab Akhter just needs to bowl on outside off stump on good length every time, with his pace, he can be important prospect in WC.

 

[Fallen King]

I would love to watch Shoaib Akhtar in action especially the WC, but considering his current performance doesn't really give confident to captain and the team/PCB. Sohail Tanveer, on the other hand, excel in death overs which is exactly what we need in World Cup especially in flat track, and Tanveer does fine job with new ball sometimes he is playing after a very long time, and managed to perform fine so far. Our new bowling attack may not decent, but Wahab/Gul/Tanveer especially their expertise in death overs, and any team play against Pakistan will struggle to chase less than 250. That's good bowling attack especially for the death over. Razzaq is not that bad in new ball. At least, he has a role now which was bothering us for a while.

 

[emclub]

Rana Naved and Arafat are better than him.....better bowlers, fielders, batsmen, but they are not in the squad so lets not talk about them......what I dont understand is why do you guys want to replace him with Shoaib Akhtar.....he went for nearly 50 runs in 4 overs in 1st game......the game before that he went for 77 runs in 7 overs.....and he aint getting any younger either.....its not like he's keeping out Shoaib Akhtar of 5 years ago......Sohail is a rubbish bowler agreed but both games check his record was fairly reasonable and way batter than Akhtar so why replace them......and Akhtar is as terrible fielder as Tanvir so no improvement there either....if anything Tanvir's a better batsman.....plus look at his Zulfain

 

[Fallen King]

Sohail Tanveer doesn't need pace. I guess people have failed to figure out why his lack of pace, still manage to excel in death overs, and always has been consistent in death overs and good bowler in T20. Shoaib Akhtar pace is vital, but at what expense? It appears his pace only help the opposition and especially in death overs which he really is horrible.

It's because of Sohail Tanveer, with his mix of slower, yorkers, awkward lines/angles, ..etc, which is why he is still the best business in death overs. If it wasn't for Shoaib Akhtar, people would be praising Sohail Tanveer performance. We have to understand that Shoaib Akhtar is no longer what he is used to be, and also played all the ODI series in 2010, and did okay, but remained liability because of his death overs, and Pakistan is yet to win ODI series in spite of his presence since the last year.

I like Shoaib Akhtar, but we also need expert of death bowlers. Having one death bowler is not enough, and just imagine, Gul/Wahab/Tanveer in death overs, and many teams will struggle to chase against Pakistan in less than 250. He just came back after a long time, and already in the squad for WC, and the best thing to do is to play him for the entire series and that way he will regain his rhythm before the WC and his batting can provide useful sometimes.

 

[Ironcat]

Tanvir played his first ODI after so many years, so you need to give him a few games before delivering a verdict.

Akhtar, on the other hand, is getting more unfit and no younger by the day. I'd much rather have Aamer back - but between Akhtar and Tanvir in the subcontinental ODIs, Tanvir seems to be winning the contest ATM.

 

[emclub]

Sohail Tanvir

 

[Theo_14]

YOU have no sence if a bowler takes wickets he has the right to celeberate You have made a stupid comment

sense* I guess you haven't got the sense either for a spelling error.

The deliveries of the 2 wickets he took were poor - 2 of them were heading towards the leg side (likely to hit the pads) and the batsmen should have easily punished those poor deliveries but instead they failed to do so and threw their wicket away.

Yes he should have a smile on his face (relief more like) for taking the wickets, but your not going to get wickets all the time by bowling on the leg side and it's that the 'line and length' of the wicket taking deliveries were poor, but the variation he had to offer may have been the answer to the wickets.

It's obvious Tanvir lacks match fitness, line and length is all over the place and fielding is also a slight concern, the only thing that has impressed me is the variation..

Which is why I believe that he COULD be a key player in the World cup towards the end but if PCB selected him because of that reason than why not go for someone like Rana, who is a better death bowler than Tanvir, handy with the batt and quite good when it comes to fielding.

 

[Ryw]

my dear friend he has set a fielder there and he was bowling according to the field set and he takes a catch everything was planned by afridi and sohail have you seen last powerplay bowling everything was planned infact afridi has said himself that he has the powerplay bowler now who he was looking now sohail wahab gulla powerplay job done

 

[Theo_14]

my dear friend he has set a fielder there and he was bowling according to the field set and he takes a catch everything was planned by afridi and sohail

You may be right but Tanvir bowled on the leg side more than once and got punished by the openers on may occasions.

I guess the so called plan only worked once then but I will still stick to my post and say that he seriously needs to improve his line and length because he is yet to take a wicket from a 'good' delivery.

have you seen last powerplay bowling everything was planned infact afridi has said himself that he has the powerplay bowler now who he was looking done

Hence why I posted that he 'could' be a important bowler towards the end of the opponents batting innings.

 

[Ryw]

i agreed to your point he has the ability to bring back the ball into right handers just give him little time he is coming back after a while