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What a rediculus captaincy by Misbah today. you have 443 runs in the first inngs and yet Yasir bowling with 6-3 field. Come on Misbah you'r much better then this.
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What's the logic behind Misbah-ul-Haq's field settings for Yasir Shah?
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He's been atrocious in this whole series as a captain. The way he is using Yasir makes me want to pull my hair out. Everyone from Warne to Bill Lawry are literally begging for a sane field set. You would think they are ahead
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Feel so sorry for Yasir. Misbah gifting them the game
What's the logic behind Misbah's field setting for Yasir?
Can anyone enlighten me because I'm in the same boat as the commentators... completely baffled by this 6-3 field.
No offside protection at all against the left handers and surprise surprise it's easy pickings for the pair in no time. We do realise we have to bowl the Aussies out twice right?
Looks like a tactical mess and its wound me up even more being a leg spinner myself. Is there any sound logic behind it that I'm missing?
Can anyone enlighten me because I'm in the same boat as the commentators... completely baffled by this 6-3 field.
No offside protection at all against the left handers and surprise surprise it's easy pickings for the pair in no time. We do realise we have to bowl the Aussies out twice right?
Looks like a tactical mess and its wound me up even more being a leg spinner myself. Is there any sound logic behind it that I'm missing?
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Absolutely baffling, awful stuff. Yasir got hit for a couple of boundaries and back to those rubbish tactics. Why can't he put 4 men on the off side. Commentators are puzzled too
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They're missing Mushy in the backroom staff imo. Atleast he could guide Yasir and Misbah regarding how to go about things. Both bowler and captain look clueless.
Yasir hasn't been that great since Mushy went back to the NCA. His performance dropped in the WI series and is now being taken to the cleaners out in Australia.
Yasir hasn't been that great since Mushy went back to the NCA. His performance dropped in the WI series and is now being taken to the cleaners out in Australia.
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What is arthur doing? He can at least suggest something to captain clueless.
Mickey has a lot of strengths, but a South African cannot tell a Pakistani how to set a field for leg-spin.
Misbah really has lost it. Bigly.
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To be fair, Yasir has been all over the place... Doesn't matter what the field is if you're bowling full tosses, long hops, you are going to be hit all day.
It's all very well moaning about the captain but like Swann is saying on BT Sport, Yasir is bowling some "garbage". He's got to start showing the control that made him the leader of the attack otherwise there's nothing you can do with just eleven players in the field.
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Field placing has been poor with packed leg side. Weird to see so defensive in this kind of match situation.
Having said that Yasir can surely ask or even insist for different field. He should have enough confidence by now to demand something like that.
Having said that Yasir can surely ask or even insist for different field. He should have enough confidence by now to demand something like that.
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He is the coach. He should give some inputs. Or is he the one actually suggesting these field placings?
It would be one thing if he was bowling negative lines in accordance with the field but he's not even managing that. He's spraying the ball all over the place, wide half-volleys and full tosses all throughout that spell. Yasir is simply bowling very poorly right now.
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He started fine so criticism about packed leg side is valid. But I think posters are giving a free pass to Yasir here. Yasir can ask for certain field for sure. Misbah surely got it wrong with all this defensive field, but how come bowler will not ask for change?
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Let's not ignore the fact that Yasir has been rubbish as well and has showed that he's not good enough overseas unless he gets considerable assistance from the surface.
No point in putting all the blame in Misbah's lap. This is fan boyish behavior.
No point in putting all the blame in Misbah's lap. This is fan boyish behavior.
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Bishoo looked more threatening than him in UAE. I think he is just out of form.
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So what's the hypothetical average of Yasir with better captaincy, has anyone done calculations.
The best part of all of this whinging is the implication that Misbah doesn't know how to handle spinners.
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One of his biggest strengths has now become his weakness because his fans are falling over each other to prove that he is the reason why Yasir 'better than ashwin' Shah has been bowling utter tripe.
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Bishoo is more skilled. Yasir's biggest weapon is his accuracy, if it is not there he doesn't look very threatening.
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Bad captaincy or just bad bowling?
Its a flat pitch and all but cannot ignore the fact that aussies have scored freely at a runrate which can be considered okay for even ODIs.
Is it just bad captaincy or plain bad bowling or a combo of both?
Imo this free flowing run scoring by aussies is due to a combo of both of the afore mentioned factors but more due to bad bowling.
Yasir has been looking like a spray gun, wahab looks completely lost with all the noballs. Only Amir has looked fine and not a complete disaster.
Thoughts?
Its a flat pitch and all but cannot ignore the fact that aussies have scored freely at a runrate which can be considered okay for even ODIs.
Is it just bad captaincy or plain bad bowling or a combo of both?
Imo this free flowing run scoring by aussies is due to a combo of both of the afore mentioned factors but more due to bad bowling.
Yasir has been looking like a spray gun, wahab looks completely lost with all the noballs. Only Amir has looked fine and not a complete disaster.
Thoughts?
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150+ runs in 30-32 overs is simply bad bowling specially after Aus is batting under huge scoreboard pressure.
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Few tight overs are needed from both ends.
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Good flat wicket.......... hard to see 20 wickets being taken on this
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It is a flat pitch. Edges haven't carried. Wahab is always a poor selection imo. I wouldn't blame the captaincy too much.
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Forget taking wickets. They can atleast keep it tight by bowling tight lines. They have been all over the place.
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Bowling has been rubbish and the captaincy has also been negative.
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Flat pitch excuse is not valid.
Its not just about taking wickets, at least dont allow them to score at 4.5 runs per over by bowling tight lines.
All bowlers have bowled like spray guns.
Its not just about taking wickets, at least dont allow them to score at 4.5 runs per over by bowling tight lines.
All bowlers have bowled like spray guns.
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Abay usse turn ho rahi hai kia jo aggressive field set kare?
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Yasir getting the Tahir treatment in Australia and only he is responsible for it.
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Need to find a leg spinner who can actually turn the ball , Shadab can surely turn it big.
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Yah, Yasir bowls magic deliveries on non-turning tracks and Misbah makes sure that those deliveries are useless.
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I said this when yasir was playing only domestic cricket. He can't survive if he cant even turn the leg spinner which is supposed to be his primary skill. Azhar turns the ball more than him. No spinner can survive without turning the ball, atleast turn it a little. If u dont turn it, you will be found out because the batsmen will begin to play you as a right arm slow medium.
He just needs to find his control again and he'll be OK, even if he doesn't turn the ball a lot. When he's in form he bowls wicket to wicket at a good pace which brings bowled and LBW into play. Today he showed no control whatsoever over his line or length which made him a liability.
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Misbah does not know how to use Yasir Shah honestly.
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Yes control was his biggest weapon but if he has to consistently challenge batsmen in all conditions he needs to start turning the ball just to put doubts in their minds.
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No, I would put major blame on Misbah here. This legside tactic failed in the first test and he is repeating it again.
Yasir bowled pretty well in his first spell if you recall. He was asking questions and the batsmen werent reading him well. But against two left-handers, and with almost all your fielders located on the legside and a wide open space on the off-side, his margin for error of bowling around the wicket is too small to bowl consistently tight and be threatening. He didnt even have a bat pad on the off after taking a wicket! These types of fields neuter all the pressure and advantages the bowler has IMO on a 3rd day good batting surface.
Yasir bowled pretty well in his first spell if you recall. He was asking questions and the batsmen werent reading him well. But against two left-handers, and with almost all your fielders located on the legside and a wide open space on the off-side, his margin for error of bowling around the wicket is too small to bowl consistently tight and be threatening. He didnt even have a bat pad on the off after taking a wicket! These types of fields neuter all the pressure and advantages the bowler has IMO on a 3rd day good batting surface.
What nonsense. He fell apart once Warner hit him for a couple of boundaries. Field placings don't make you bowl full tosses and long-hops.
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when choosing 11 for the 2nd test in this thread post #33 http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...e-2nd-Test-in-Melbourne&p=9012877#post9012877
i wanted to try asghar instead of Yasir. if pitch not helping Spin, wanted a four men pace attack...
reason because Yasir cannot spin outside asia , asghar is a left arm spinner, new bowler that aussies havent faced would be a worthy gamble...
i wanted to try asghar instead of Yasir. if pitch not helping Spin, wanted a four men pace attack...
reason because Yasir cannot spin outside asia , asghar is a left arm spinner, new bowler that aussies havent faced would be a worthy gamble...
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It is a combo of both bad bowling (70%) and captaincy(30%)..
It's clear that a combination of poor captaincy, lack of mentor in Mushtaq and generally some pretty harsh conditions is troubling Yasir. However at the end of the day you can only come up with so much excuses for bowling pure garbage, half volleys and full tosses. The primary reason is Yasir himself, but my post is more so defending the fact that it's not that Yasir is incapable to bowl overseas as some people are suggesting.
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It's been a disappointing match for yasir because of poor control. Usually he keeps it tight and that's where his wickets come from: the left handed batsmen have really made his life difficult. He has a chance to get some control tomorrow and of course in Sydney they will need nawaz to help him.
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That was ridiculous captaincy by Misbah.
Yasir Shah lost it completely after that.
In all seriousness it looked as if Yasir's Blood pressure got high, he was fumimg inside and than he lost his line, his length.
Yasir Shah lost it completely after that.
In all seriousness it looked as if Yasir's Blood pressure got high, he was fumimg inside and than he lost his line, his length.
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Yasir Shah was not bowling to any plan anyways.
It would be hard to blame Misbah for the way Yasir was bowling.
He was bowling pies right, left and centre and could have had 7 fielders at the boundary and would still find a way to concede runs.
Don't you question Yasir's mental strength if bowling to a legside field for a handful of overs is enough to ruin his bowling for the rest of the day?
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He started of fine. After 3-4 overs he lost it completely. One of the physical factors cannot be ruled out aswell. His back doesn't look flexible enough and kamar nahi lag rai ball pe poori tarah and sir bhee ghoom gaya tha sahi field na milne pe.
Bowled terribly I agree.
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That is a good point. But we have to consider these things :
1. Either it was a case of poor mental strength + poor back
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2. Just poor back
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3. Just poor mental strength with emotions getting hold of him.
In all fairness Allah knows the best but as far as i see from cricketing side that I will pick option 1.
My Champion Captain has dissapointed me aswell :-(
I was wondering about whether his back injury has affected him more than we realise, he missed the warm-up game after a back spasm and iirc he had some trouble with his back when we played England last year?
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Leg spinners are very sensitive and need to be handled with great care, it's a combo of poor bowling and management that has resulted in a bad performance. The same duo of Misbah and Yasir have worked quiet well in the past, when they click 9 times out of 10 we win. Too much mud slinging which isn't required tbh.
Misbah's field placements have not helped so the criticism is warranted but Big Mac is correct in stating that, irrespective of field placements, Yasir bowled very poorly. His strength up to now has been his control, but there has not been much evidence of this on this tour. I am not quite sure why this should be. Perhaps he is struggling to adjust to Australian conditions? Or could it be that when successfully attacked he loses control - his ODI performances have been under-whelming. Perhaps the back injury has impacted him? Perhaps it is the cumulative impact of the workload - he has bowled a lot since debuting.
I am not sure what it is, but it is a massive problem for Pakistan. In a 4 man bowling attack, at his best he provides control as well as wickets. With neither, Pakistan are going to be punished.
I am not sure what it is, but it is a massive problem for Pakistan. In a 4 man bowling attack, at his best he provides control as well as wickets. With neither, Pakistan are going to be punished.
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Worst captaincy by Misbah in a Test series?
I know misbah was never a great tactician and was always defensive but he did a fine job most of the time but his captaincy in this test series against Australia is proving to be the worst in his career don't know why he is acting so defensive and clueless here.
I know misbah was never a great tactician and was always defensive but he did a fine job most of the time but his captaincy in this test series against Australia is proving to be the worst in his career don't know why he is acting so defensive and clueless here.
Not defending Misbah here but there is only so much a captain can do when your bowlers are absolute rubbish. The leader of our pace attack and by far the most overrated bowler on PP keeps wasting new ball every match. Then the other guy who is all talk abut no substance still doesn't know how to ball a legal delivery. And then the leg spinner who can't spin the ball. Misbah captaincy has been poor since the England series but his bowlers aren't helping him and the team either.
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He was always a very poor captain. The only reason he's been exposed now is because his defensive mindset does not work beyond UAE. It was Saeed Ajmal who won him Tests in UAE and Yasir Shah did the same in England. Misbah should be forced retired if he doesn't leave himself.
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Misbah has been never been tactically a great captain but he can not be blamed alone for this.
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Sometimes I'm really shocked at people still not understanding Misbah the captain. Misbah has never been a good captain to begin with. He has never had that tactical brilliance or sharp brain and have innovative thinking. All of his plans were pre planned even a kid knew how he will operate the proceedings.
Misbah has always waited for things to happen..once some batsmen took agressive approach he would soon spread the field and wait for batsman to make a mistake irrespective of our best bowler bowling.
He was a defensive captain has always been which reflects his batting mindset also. all of his success has been mainly on UAE tracks where our spinners (first ajmal,hafeez,Rehman and recently Yasir) were making English and Aussie players look clueless on a turning pitch.
Misbah has always waited for things to happen..once some batsmen took agressive approach he would soon spread the field and wait for batsman to make a mistake irrespective of our best bowler bowling.
He was a defensive captain has always been which reflects his batting mindset also. all of his success has been mainly on UAE tracks where our spinners (first ajmal,hafeez,Rehman and recently Yasir) were making English and Aussie players look clueless on a turning pitch.
Misbah is a conservative captain, but he usually employs sound logic. But he has got it horribly wrong with the 6-3 field for Yasir. Yasir looked early on more threatening around off stump - he was getting a bit of drift - but he did not have the protection on the off side.
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well he did presisted with them all along so far so yes he should get the blame when they fail to deliver. Wahab should have been long discarded with his awful inconsistency but he was presisted and not only that we also managed to bring another 30+ trundler into our line up. and plus playing Nawaz against WI which should have been a series for a genuine off spinner which we are missing since Ajmal and Hafeez ban. A captain builds a great team and he has a lot of blame to share if his players do not perform especially when that captain has a lot of powers in selections etc
Lol they're coming in waves to attack Misbah.
Such a nashukri awaam, the guy who is responsible for making us a top team respected world-wide AND making us THE top Asian team overseas.
Horrible and embarrassing attacks above. Go do your armchair fantasy criticism at specific stuff done in a match. But brushing aside his achievements and greatness is something else.
Such a nashukri awaam, the guy who is responsible for making us a top team respected world-wide AND making us THE top Asian team overseas.
Horrible and embarrassing attacks above. Go do your armchair fantasy criticism at specific stuff done in a match. But brushing aside his achievements and greatness is something else.
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Team wins, Misbah did it. Team struggles and loses, Misbah has such a rubbish bowling attack. Misbah lobby zindabad.
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That's the thing, there is no logic behind it.
Misbah is as clueless as some of our worst captain's ever, and you lot were putting him in the same league as Imran Khan MASSIVE LOL.
The only reason Misbah took us to the coveted number one position was due to a fortunate bit of weather pattern and years of playing on the dead and docile pitches of UAE where FTBs like YK and Hafeez could bat the opposition out of the game.
Misbah is as clueless as some of our worst captain's ever, and you lot were putting him in the same league as Imran Khan MASSIVE LOL.
The only reason Misbah took us to the coveted number one position was due to a fortunate bit of weather pattern and years of playing on the dead and docile pitches of UAE where FTBs like YK and Hafeez could bat the opposition out of the game.
Big Misbah fan here, but alot of people are really shocked at the captaincy here, its like he has planned it out on himself to make a meal of the good position we have been.. I dunno its just surprising to have a 6-3 leg side field to Yasir.. I didn't watch the game but Yasir's figures tell me everything..
Is he trying to bowl a middle stump line so that the pitch deteriorates more in there..? I am baffled as anyone as to what can be the reason for this plan..
Maybe he is trying to make the batsmen sweep.. or play across the line to score on the offside.. I dunno man I am at a loss of words..
Is he trying to bowl a middle stump line so that the pitch deteriorates more in there..? I am baffled as anyone as to what can be the reason for this plan..
Maybe he is trying to make the batsmen sweep.. or play across the line to score on the offside.. I dunno man I am at a loss of words..
Completely agree. Makes me laugh when people think he is better then Imran lol.
The grounds in Australia are too large and the bounce is too predictable for a bowler to get away with a negative line and length, especially once the Kookaburra goes soft.
The only pressure which works is that of a dangerous attack outside off-stump.
The Aussie ex-players all agree that Yasir Shah and Mohammad Amir have bowled well, but to their fields which require completely the wrong line.
I wrote after 7 overs of this innings that Australia would reach 280-2 tonight. But it was a 210-4 wicket.
Pakistan missed Asif terribly: he would have taken 8-3-16-2 with the new ball and probably 10-2-30-0 afterwards just by bowling a better and more consistent line and length. But instead Misbah is using his attacking weapons to defend, which takes away the ability of Wahab to attack and it seems that Sohail Khan is virtually a specialist batsman.
The only pressure which works is that of a dangerous attack outside off-stump.
The Aussie ex-players all agree that Yasir Shah and Mohammad Amir have bowled well, but to their fields which require completely the wrong line.
I wrote after 7 overs of this innings that Australia would reach 280-2 tonight. But it was a 210-4 wicket.
Pakistan missed Asif terribly: he would have taken 8-3-16-2 with the new ball and probably 10-2-30-0 afterwards just by bowling a better and more consistent line and length. But instead Misbah is using his attacking weapons to defend, which takes away the ability of Wahab to attack and it seems that Sohail Khan is virtually a specialist batsman.
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Disagree on Asif, he does not have a good record in Australia, barring that green top in Sydney in 2009-10, he has done nothing of note in Australia and did not look threatening at all. Plus he is short of match fitness and cannot be blindly rushed back in.
Right now the abscence of a respected, competent bowling coach seems to be hurting the bowlers who are just operating without a plan.
Wahab is the only one who is attacking and bowling just like how you should be bowling in Australia. Sohail Khan is a wasted selection in Australia.
I half-agree.
As soon as Australia picked a batting line-up of so many left-handers it was obvious that Yasir Shah could not have the role that Misbah wanted. The 1983-84 tribulations of Abdul Qadir told us that.
I have been writing for many months about how hard it would be to take 20 wickets at the MCG. Three of the members of this attack are the right players, but Misbah doesn't know how to set their fields or which lines they should bowl.
The Channel Nine commentators are all equally frustrated - and don't forget, Waqar Younis lives in Sydney and understands that Misbah is trying to play as if Melbourne is Lords against a team of right-handers.
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Example of Qadir hardly prove much because he averaged around 50 outside of home. Doing poorly in Aus can't be attributed to him for not bowling well against left handers. He was just poor outside of Pakistan.
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Have you ever seen a leggie (who doesn't have a googly) succeed against so many left-handers?
As soon as Renshaw, Maddinson and Wade were added to Warner and Khawaja in the Top Seven, Pakistan needed to rethink the balance of the attack.
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Not disagreeing with your point here in this post. Seeing all left handers in the first test was more weird to me. I would have still played Yasir, but used him differently. I would have played one all rounder, but I am not that familiar with all bowling options for Pakistan so can't pick a name here.
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Field setting was brainless but why yasir did not get those changed? Also, lets say yasir gave it a shot for a few overs, i do not remember him landing it on the middle and off. With that field he was consistently bowling outside the off and on the off. Its a chicken and egg situation, field setting were bad but at the same time yasir did not try to change them and he did not even bowl to the 'bad' field.
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Yea Misbah has not handled him very well this series but also I am beginning to believe that Yasir is somewhat overrated. He lacks turn, a good googly & flipper. Those that are blaming Misbah- what happened to Yasir in 2nd & 3rd Test vs Eng? He was completely blunted. Same question vs WI. Yasir is not consistent enough.
I repeat that Asghar should be brought in for the 3rd Test.
I repeat that Asghar should be brought in for the 3rd Test.
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I feel his work load is catching up, he has bowled a lot of overs from the England series onwards and he is beginning to burn out.
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