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What's the solution to the CAB troubles in India?

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I have seen lots of discussion going on in CAB thread but i think let's have a separate thread for solutions.

I have 2 questions, 1st one is that which solutions can you posters give in order to end all the riots e.t.c in India and to solve the grievances of people?

Question 2: Are you in favor of this Bill or not, state the reason also.
 
Lol why are you concerned that much that you’re actually putting in thought

Just sit back and enjoy the show
 
Indian muslims should be concerned about it. not us . from decades we were hearing thre abuses on social media about pakistan for no reasons. now who has the last laugh ? ....

I think they are more in trouble now... modi have seen there strength and numbers .... once the dust settles down ... hes going to crackdown one them one by one at night .... mark my words ...
 
CAA is not a perfect Bill but its in the right way and it should include more minorities, the issue is NRC which all of a sudden Mr.Modi is now blaming it on media that he never said nationwide implementation eventhough Rajnath Singh said he will.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/countrywide-nrc-inevitable-rajnath-singh/articleshow/72642068.cms

So unless Rajnath Singh is fired from his position , would refuse to believe Mr.Modi didn't know about NRC implementation that his party men want.
 
Just turn a blind eye to all illegals and give them citizenship.

There is no right solution for this problem. Every country is dealing with illegals. It depends on how badly the illegals are affecting the native population.

One more thing is that native population do not want to be over run by illegals where they can become a minority in their own lands. There is always 2 sides to the story. You do not want Indian Muslims to suffer because of some illegals who happen to share the same religion.
 
I don't want a solution to CAB. I want a sequel to this car crash movie.

Thoroughly entertaining viewing.
 
Solution is tough. Indian government should initiate NRC soon so that everyone gets clarity regarding documents required. Government should also handle any sort of violent protests with more clarity. There should be clear instructions to the protesters that if they do any violence it will result in a very strict action against them.

There will alot of troublemakers so government should be ready to make arrests in big numbers. The procedure of removing tumor from the body is tough and painful but it is necessary for the survival.
 
India and Bangladesh should come to an agreement about the illegals in India.

India should issue a work visa type to all Bangladeshi citizens who are illegally in India.
Bangladeshi citizens should pay taxes to Indian Government. In return, Bangladeshis will not be harassed and any Bangladeshi who wants to become an Indian citizen should follow rules by applying for citizenship. Bangla citizens will also be able to travel to their homeland without bribing both BSF and Bangla border patrol.

Basically a H1B visa type scheme should be given to all Bangla citizens who are illegally in India. Win-Win for both.

Entering freely into India and state governments treating them as vote banks and giving them ration cards is not going to work. There will be backlash from natives of this already over populated country.
 
Solution is tough. Indian government should initiate NRC soon so that everyone gets clarity regarding documents required. Government should also handle any sort of violent protests with more clarity. There should be clear instructions to the protesters that if they do any violence it will result in a very strict action against them.

There will alot of troublemakers so government should be ready to make arrests in big numbers. The procedure of removing tumor from the body is tough and painful but it is necessary for the survival.

Tumor is religion, remove religion tumor is removed.
And NRC where ? Mr. Modi has already chickened out on nationwide ones eventhough Shah and Rajnath said something else.
 
Tumor is religion, remove religion tumor is removed.
And NRC where ? Mr. Modi has already chickened out on nationwide ones eventhough Shah and Rajnath said something else.

Once religion is removed, half of India's troubles will be gone. The other half is over population.
 
As Protests Flare in India, Modi Plays a New Position: Defense

With unrest over a divisive new citizenship law sweeping the country, the prime minister is losing some support, even in his strongholds.

Updated Dec. 25, 2019, 4:46 a.m. ET

VARANASI, India — Nidhi Tiwari is an upper-caste Hindu. She voted for India’s prime minister, Narendra Modi, in the last election. She lives in Mr. Modi’s constituency, Varanasi, a holy Hindu city. She was, up until last week, one of the millions of bricks in his base.

But Ms. Tiwari, a university student, has turned against Mr. Modi, joining the growing protests sweeping this country after he pushed through a contentious citizenship law that more and more Indians see as anti-Muslim and a blow to India’s foundation of tolerance and secularism.

“I used to see Modi as a strong leader, as the person India had been waiting so long to get,” Ms. Tiwari said. “Now, I see him as a monster.”

Until this outpouring of anger, Mr. Modi seemed unstoppable. Riding a populist wave, he was pushing ahead with plans to bring India closer to becoming a Hindu homeland, a divisive dream harbored by his political party whose roots lie deep in a Hindu-centric worldview that poses an existential threat to India’s large Muslim minority.

Now some of his support is beginning to crack, even in strongholds like Varanasi. For the first time, Indians are standing up to Mr. Modi in a widespread and forceful way. How this plays out in the next few weeks could have a seismic impact on India.

The protests are jumping from city to city. They are drawing in an increasingly broad cohort of Indian society, including former Modi fans and many non-Muslims.

If they succeed in slowing him down or changing his course, it could be a lasting victory for the secular version of India that the founders envisioned as a multicultural nation encompassing a dizzying diversity of languages, religions and geographic identities. If the protests fizzle, Mr. Modi’s vision of a Hindu nation could draw closer.

“This is undeniably the biggest pushback Modi has faced from civil society since coming to power in 2014,” said Milan Vaishnav, the director of the South Asia Program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

Varanasi, a city of temples along the banks of the Ganges River that Mr. Modi repeatedly returns to for spiritual strength — and for votes — reflects his challenge. He still has a lot of support, but parts of the city have erupted beneath him.

Muslims, students, left-leaning professionals, and lower- and upper-caste Hindus have poured into the narrow, brick-walled lanes yelling, “Down with Modi!”

The police have responded by beating people up, kicking in doors, shutting down the internet, arresting scores, and in one incident charging into a crowd and setting off a stampede that crushed a 9-year-old boy who was out riding his red bicycle.

As the protests have swelled across the country, hundreds of thousands have joined. Thousands have been arrested and more than 20 killed.

The demonstrations are still mostly confined to the new citizenship law that fast-tracks Indian citizenship for migrants from neighboring countries who are Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Sikh, Parsee or Jain — all of South Asia’s major religions bar one: Islam.

But the broader context is an India whose star is not quite as shiny as it was a few years ago. Grumbles are growing about the weakening economy, which the protests are not helping. Mr. Modi had promised to create millions of new jobs; he has not. Across northern India’s industrial heartland, people are feeling the pinch.

Varanasi may be a sacred city, where countless bodies are cremated along the banks of the Ganges, but it is also a modern city where countless saris are made in factories.

“I’m hearing it all over town: People are fed up with this regime,” said Vishwambhar Nath Mishra, an electrical engineering professor and the head of an important temple. “Why did he push this? Was this really the need of the time?’’

Even at this divisive and turbulent moment, much of India is solidly behind Mr. Modi. He has deeper and broader support than any Indian figure has generated in decades, which has enabled him to pursue an agenda that alienates minorities and frightens progressives.

His government and its allies have been changing place names to Hindu from Muslim, rubbing out historic Muslim figures from textbooks and celebrating lynch mobs who murdered Muslims.

After Mr. Modi’s overwhelming re-election in May, the Hindu nationalist campaign reached a fever pitch. His government stripped statehood from Kashmir, India’s only Muslim-majority state, and then passed the new citizenship law.

Mr. Modi’s popularity cannot be chalked up only to the fact that Hindu nationalist ideology plays well in a country that is 80 percent Hindu. The Modi administration has also done a better job than previous governments in pushing big anti-poverty initiatives, such as building 100 million toilets to help stop open defecation and the spread of deadly disease.

His Bharatiya Janata Party and its allies control nearly two-thirds of the lower house of Parliament. These past weeks, opposition politicians have shown once again how fractured they are, by not capitalizing on the protests.

There has been nothing close to a coordinated strategy, and as students and intellectuals are dragged away by riot police officers, many opposition leaders have been cheering on the protesters — from Twitter.

Politically, analysts say, Mr. Modi is safe. But these protests pose a threat to his ideological agenda.

“Modi is not a normal politician who measures his success only by votes,” said Kanchan Chandra, a political scientist at New York University. “He sees himself as the architect of a new India, built on a foundation of technological, cultural, economic and military prowess, and backed by an ideology of Hindu nationalism.”

The effects are already being felt. Mr. Modi’s party lost state elections in Jharkhand this week. And he and party leaders have shelved plans to plow ahead with a national citizenship review.

The process could have forced all Indians to produce documentary proof that they were citizens, a difficult task in a developing country where countless people do not have such records. The widespread suspicion was that the administration was pushing this review, in combination with the citizenship law, to disenfranchise Muslims, though Mr. Modi has vehemently denied that.

It has been a long time since Mr. Modi, 69, has had to play defense. He began his career from humble roots — first wandering solo through the Himalayas as a young preacher, then becoming a ground-level party operative, then chief minister, then prime minister.

He knows, intimately, the perils of Hindu-Muslim tensions. In 2002, when he was chief minister of Gujarat State, he was accused of allowing more than 1,000 people, most of them Muslims, to be slaughtered in communal violence. He was never charged, though suspicions remained.

Mr. Modi radiates intensity, but lately he seems a little less self-assured.

At a huge outdoor rally on Sunday afternoon, in the winter chill and in front of a crowd roaring, “Modi Modi Modi!” he looked tight, distracted, distant, even a bit angry.

He lashed out at what he called a “conspiracy” by opposition politicians and expressed little sorrow, or even acknowledgment, for those killed. He gave the impression that he thrived on the controversy, thundering, “The more they hate me, the more the love of this country’s public rains on me.”

At the same time, Mr. Modi has been trying to act as if, somehow, everything is normal. He went to a meeting on the Ganges River one day and spoke at an investment conference on another. Within his administration he has expressed confidence that the storm will soon pass. He believes that the discontent is simply naysayers upset about how fast he is moving with policies that previous Indian politicians struggled to carry out.

Though protests have erupted in virtually every Indian state, the violence has been the most intense — and the most people have been killed — in the states controlled by Mr. Modi’s political party, such as Uttar Pradesh.

Witnesses say that police forces under the command of Yogi Adityanath, the state’s chief minister, a Hindu monk and a Modi acolyte, have systematically swept through Muslim neighborhoods, breaking into houses, hauling off Muslim men and destroying Muslim families’ property.

Mr. Adityanath’s police have also been widely accused of firing live ammunition into crowds.

In Varanasi, which is in Uttar Pradesh, the Muslim quarter feels under occupation. Life goes on — children fly kites from rooftops, people fry balls of dough in piping hot skillets, half of the markets are open — but it all happens under a thick tension coiled with violence.

Police officers in riot gear and helmets prowl the lanes, some carrying submachine guns. The residents glare at them.

“What would I tell Mr. Modi?" said Vakil Ahmed, whose son was the one trampled last week. “I’d ask: ‘Why are you doing these atrocities to us?’”

The crowds at the protests usually run in the thousands, and for them to expand they would have to draw in other groups. The Dalits and members of other lower castes, for example, have been complaining for years about discrimination under Mr. Modi.

Many protesters have been young progressives like Ms. Tiwari, a 20-year-old political science student whose family are longtime Modi supporters. She believes Mr. Modi’s recent moves are threatening India’s “soul.”

“Every day I argue with my dad,” she said.

And even though her father will not give her logical arguments, she says, he still supports Mr. Modi.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/24/world/asia/india-protests-modi.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes
 
Indian muslims should be concerned about it. not us . from decades we were hearing thre abuses on social media about pakistan for no reasons. now who has the last laugh ? ....

I think they are more in trouble now... modi have seen there strength and numbers .... once the dust settles down ... hes going to crackdown one them one by one at night .... mark my words ...

If you are not concerned about this then why you are making thread on this in first place.
You should have ignored it just like you are ignoring china muslims.
 
International sanctions/pressure - Only hope for liberals and minorities of India in 2019

Government of India through police, army and judiciary has very successfully crushed all resistance to its fascist policies.

Local politicians put under home arrest.

Students are threatened not to protest or they will be expelled from their campus.

Ordinary muslims and liberal hindus who took part in protests have all been booked under various charges, their shops have been locked down, their bank accounts freezed and their property attached for recovery against dake or exaggerated claims of loss of public property by the state police/govt.

While the fascist Modi government is getting away with crushing all resistance, the ordinary people can only now be saved from inevitable doom if the international community intervenes urgently and threatens to put India under serious economic and diplomatic sanctions.

Otherwise we are all helping creating a monster here.
 
No other country wants to poke their nose in someone's internal matters unless situation goes out of control. Classic example: J & K after aug 5th , they controlled situation without killing a single kashmiri , hence modi has no pressure.

I voted for BJP in 2019 & will vote again for BJP in 2024
 
Nothing - the government will just let the protests fizzle out and (I hope) pick up lessons from this as they continue implementing the agenda from their election manifesto.
 
Indian muslims should be concerned about it. not us . from decades we were hearing thre abuses on social media about pakistan for no reasons. now who has the last laugh ? ....

I think they are more in trouble now... modi have seen there strength and numbers .... once the dust settles down ... hes going to crackdown one them one by one at night .... mark my words ...

Bro, Indian muslims or chinese muslims, muslims are muslims and if a muslim is hurt you should feel the pain, no matter what those muslims have said about Pakistan in past. Everyone makes mistakes. Let’s just pray for them and hope things get better for them. They need to stay steadfast.
 
Let Indian Muslims worry about it after all they are the ones who will be made homeless. Now they know how great the Quaid who they call kafir-e-azam was when forming Pakistan. I care about all Muslim's but not Indian ones who have always opposed Pakistan and supported India on Kashmir. Now let them face the same oppression that those in IoK have been doing so for decades. In opposing Pakistan they abuse and attack the country that was formed in the name of Islam. Their Hindu brethren are not listening to their screams of "we're Indian by choice!" even if it's not true. This because it's the Pakistanis who are that by choice, our ancestors not theirs left the comfort of their homes when moving to a new country not knowing what was awaiting them. Indian Muslim's chose not to immigrate for which they will now pay a massive price when the detention centre's open.
 
Majority of the Indians are happy to see what Modi is doing, so why would Indians except affected minority need a solution?

Modi is getting elected again by the same people who put them in power to do exactly what he is doing.
 
Sadly it’s a mess. Best would be allow asylum seekers in on the basis of their case but then India isn’t a super power like many Indians like to believe. It’s a country that doesn’t have the resources to evaluate every single case. Neither can it afford to accommodate illegal immigrants.
 
Allow any religiously persecuted people from the three mentioned countries to India to get Indian citizenship if they are already in india before 2015. The courts can decide whether the person is religiously persecuted or not.
 
ISI should start recruiting Hindu's and Christians and then have them apply for asylum in India
 
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