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What's your opinion on bans on PIA pilots

  • Not fair to punish PIA pilots without proof

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I will admit that being a member of an Air Force family, I have a huge affinity with the flying community and its very tough for me to accept that Pakistani pilots who were the toast of the flying fraternity are now being branded as frauds by anyone who has access to a keyboard.

But the fact is that there is some underlying issue but are blanket bans etc the way to handle this - is it fair to do that?
 
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Clearly fair, until there is a complete audit of the pilots quals and the 'fake' pilots are kicked out and prosecuted which needs to start ASAP
 
Unfortunately, lives have been lost and in this case, further lives must not be put under danger until, it is clear that there are no unqualified/bad apples in the lot.
 
I find it hard to believe that the colleagues of some of these 'fake' pilots were not aware of their licences being dubious. If they were aware then it was highly irresponsible of them not to report them.
 
Banning people without adequate qualifications is completely fair but the way this was handled was a PR disaster. Govt officials should be very careful about the statements they make. Unfortunately, one irresponsible statement has irreparably damaged the reputation of Pakistani pilots irrespective of whether they have real or fake qualifications. The aviation minister has thrown away the baby with the bathwater.
 
Also if this issue was known then why wasnt it brought to light before?
 
Thankfully govt doing something about this.

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ISLAMABAD, Jul 01 (APP):The Federal Cabinet was informed on Wednesday that the government had initiated reforms in the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA), including the process for issuing licenses to pilots, while all the airlines in the country had been directed to ensure transparency in procedures.

Briefing newsmen about the decisions taken by the cabinet meeting chaired by Prime Minister Imran Khan, Minister for Information and Broadcasting Senator Shibli Faraz said the pilots now operating the planes of Pakistani airlines had 100 percent authentic degrees as all identified suspects have been grounded.

He said five employees of the CAA had also been suspended till the whole process of reforms was completed. It had been directed to take further action on fast-track basis, where the degrees of the staff of all airlines, including pilots, engineers and ground staff. would be verified.

He said the prime minister strongly believed in merit and transparency in all sectors.

The minister read out a statement for the media, which said: “On the instructions of the Prime Minister of Pakistan, the process of reforms has been initiated in the Civil Aviation Authority and all Pakistani airlines to ensure the sanctity of proper licensing and fulfillment of all requirements by the pilots.

A thorough forensic review has identified various instances where licensing requirements were suspect, not fully adhering to the requirements of all examinations. To ensure highest safety requirements, and meet professional criteria, all identified suspects have been grounded.

“This grounding has been in effect since June 25, 2020. Due to certain instances of administrative lapses, five officials concerned of Civil Aviation Authority has been placed under suspension and an inquiry has been initiated against them. This process of professional upgradation and overall reforms will continue in all Pakistani airlines and CAA. On this the cabinet also instructed the CAA to pursue further actions in line with due process on a fast track basis.

“It expressed confidence in the overall capability and performance of the fully licensed and well experienced and professional pilots of Pakistani airlines. The government also asked the relevant government departments to work with international partners to facilitate travel and avoid any difficulty for passengers.”

Senator Shibli Faraz said the cabinet deliberated on the report of the Auditor General and expressed satisfaction that remarkable improvement had been made in procedures during the past 20 months.

He said it accorded approval to three agreements of hydro power projects, including Kohala Power Project.

The cabinet, the minister, also took into consideration the renewable energy options for power production, including solar and wind energy. The prime minister issued directives to remove hurdles and bottlenecks in the way of alternative sources to encourage cheap energy production,.

The cabinet also discussed sustainable development goals and on the suggestion of Minister for Information Technology Aminul Haq, the prime minister directed to reallocate development funds within a month before their lapse.

Shibli Faraz said the prime minister also directed to activate provincial finance commission in order for equitable development in all parts of provinces in an organized way and without any undue political influence. It would also help remove a sense of deprivation among the residents of backward areas in a province, he remarked.

He said after deliberations on the performance of Pak PWD, a committee under the leadership of Federal Minister of Economic Affairs Khusro Bakhtiar was constituted, on the directives of the prime minister, to look into public sector projects to be undertaken on reduced costs and improved quality. The committee would submit its report in 90 days’ time.

The minister said the cabinet discussed the potential of IT (information technology) exports and how to increase Pakistan’s share in the international market. The sector had the potential to increase exports to $ 5 billion dollars from the present $ 1 billion.

The cabinet also approved the appointment of Usman Nasir as Managing Director of Pakistan Software Export Board.

While discussing the issue of evacuee properties and their optimal use for income generation, it was decided that education and health related properties could be offered to private parties to not only generate their business but also provide facilities to the public.

Shibli Faraz said presently in the energy mix some projects were producing one unit at the cost of Rs 34 which were needed to be replaced by the cheaper power generation ones to provide relief to the consumers.

The cabinet, he said, discussed the draft of Zaireen policy to regulate the visit to Iran, Iraq and Syria, and avoid unnecessary rush at Quetta and Taftan in certain seasons. After discussion it was deferred till the next meeting with the directives to remove the shortcomings and preparation of a legal fretwork .

The cabinet accorded approval to appoint an auditor for the Security Exchange Commission of Pakistan (SECP).
 
Ministers of the ruling Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) on Thursday defended the government's decision to make the public the inquiry into ‘dubious licences’ issued to pilots by the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA), in the aftermath of an investigation into a Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) plane crash in Karachi.

Speaking at a press conference in Islamabad alongside Information Minister Shibli Faraz and PM's aide Shahzad Akbar, Minister for Maritime Affairs Ali Haider Zaidi said when the PTI government came into power, it discovered some "irregularities" in the CAA.

"We verified the charges and immediately 54 people were grounded and a detailed forensic inquiry was initiated under wraps of the whole organisation," he said.

He said that the inquiry found that a new licensing system was introduced in 2010. Out of all the licenses granted till 2018, the inquiry found that there were 236 which had irregularities, he said, adding that the pilots were then grounded and suspended.

He reiterated that all those pilots that had irregularities in their records have been grounded.

"Our target is safety first. We will prioritise safety so that all the question marks that have been raised can be addressed."

He added that the CAA is now taking steps to strengthen its IT systems, adding that those officials found guilty of being involved have been suspended pending an investigation.

"Everyone involved will be taken to task. By the time this inquiry is finished, which will be in a few months, the CAA will become the top authority when it comes to safety and PIA will become one of the region's top airlines," he said, adding that this was inevitable once all the "bad eggs" were removed from the system.

Defending the government's decision to make the information public, the minister said that the current government was "of the people".

"This is an issue of safety and about improving institutions. When you take the public on board, you change public perception.

"I will give you a simple example. When parents see their child being administered an injection, they feel pain but they know that it is necessary for their child's future. So, this is necessary for our future [...] we have to bear the pain so that we can see an improvement."

Meanwhile, the information minister attempted to assuage public concern, saying that all pilots currently flying airplanes have successfully gone through the scrutiny process.

"Anyone travelling right now should know that pilots flying right now have gone through the scrutiny process [...] they shouldn't worry."

https://www.dawn.com/news/1566574
 
The difference between this government and the previous ones have been the outcome of every inquiry , the result is made public, good or bad, first time.

There have been plane crashes in Pakistan in the past, unfortunately, but what happened, was there any accountability, anyone was punished, never. I know , it was not possible when the corruption was the culture and norm and the owner of the airline was one of the man in power, Khaqan Abbassi.
 
The difference between this government and the previous ones have been the outcome of every inquiry , the result is made public, good or bad, first time.

There have been plane crashes in Pakistan in the past, unfortunately, but what happened, was there any accountability, anyone was punished, never. I know , it was not possible when the corruption was the culture and norm and the owner of the airline was one of the man in power, Khaqan Abbassi.
Even though I have my biases but I have to admit you're right on this one and I honestly liked the fact that something happened but what I didn't like was publicly talking about the issue by the minister he could've handled it better by carrying out the reforms, sackings privately
 
Ministers of the ruling Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) on Thursday defended the government's decision to make the public the inquiry into ‘dubious licences’ issued to pilots by the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA), in the aftermath of an investigation into a Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) plane crash in Karachi.

Speaking at a press conference in Islamabad alongside Information Minister Shibli Faraz and PM's aide Shahzad Akbar, Minister for Maritime Affairs Ali Haider Zaidi said when the PTI government came into power, it discovered some "irregularities" in the CAA.

"We verified the charges and immediately 54 people were grounded and a detailed forensic inquiry was initiated under wraps of the whole organisation," he said.

He said that the inquiry found that a new licensing system was introduced in 2010. Out of all the licenses granted till 2018, the inquiry found that there were 236 which had irregularities, he said, adding that the pilots were then grounded and suspended.

He reiterated that all those pilots that had irregularities in their records have been grounded.

"Our target is safety first. We will prioritise safety so that all the question marks that have been raised can be addressed."

He added that the CAA is now taking steps to strengthen its IT systems, adding that those officials found guilty of being involved have been suspended pending an investigation.

"Everyone involved will be taken to task. By the time this inquiry is finished, which will be in a few months, the CAA will become the top authority when it comes to safety and PIA will become one of the region's top airlines," he said, adding that this was inevitable once all the "bad eggs" were removed from the system.

Defending the government's decision to make the information public, the minister said that the current government was "of the people".

"This is an issue of safety and about improving institutions. When you take the public on board, you change public perception.

"I will give you a simple example. When parents see their child being administered an injection, they feel pain but they know that it is necessary for their child's future. So, this is necessary for our future [...] we have to bear the pain so that we can see an improvement."

Meanwhile, the information minister attempted to assuage public concern, saying that all pilots currently flying airplanes have successfully gone through the scrutiny process.

"Anyone travelling right now should know that pilots flying right now have gone through the scrutiny process [...] they shouldn't worry."

https://www.dawn.com/news/1566574

A pathetic analogy. I have a better one compared to this nonsense.

PTI is the father and PMLN/PPP is the mother.

They broke up and their son (PIA) lived with PMLN/PPP previously before PTI got the custody.

PIA failed his exams and PTI publicized the result in front of the entire family and told them that he failed because he did not get good care and attention from his mother.

As the self-righteous and narcissistic parent, PTI claimed that he will start producing better results now that PTI is in charge.

This revelation in front of the family was done in order to make PTI look like the better parent and also protect him from accountability in the future.

But this was done at the expense of the reputation of his son in front of the family, who is now humiliated and ashamed, and about to be banned from meeting his cousins because he is considered a bad influence.

So PTI proved what a terrible father he is. In order to make himself look good and protect himself, he had no problem in destroying the reputation of his son in front of the family, something that would have long-term repercussions.

If PTI was a genuine and a sincere parent, he would not have told his family that his son failed and would have protected his image and reputation while working hard with him behind closed doors to improve his grades.

So how does PTI make himself look good here and how does he protect his image?

It is simple. If the son becomes a high achiever, PTI will take all the credit, gloat in front of the family and say that it is the result of his hard work.

However, if the son continues to fail, PTI will protect himself by stating that well he tried his best but his mother messed him up too much and now he is beyond repair.

In fact, protecting himself from accountability is the major reason. PTI knows deep down that he is an incompetent father who is only good at making big claims, make accusations and abuse his former partner, so it is quite likely that the son will produce even worse results in the future.

So it is quite obvious that this is not about the well-being and the future of the son; this is about PTI making itself look good even if it is at the expense of his son’s reputation.

A truly disgraceful father indeed.
 
I have said this before too. This may be a case of fake degree of pilots . But Looks like there is corruption deep rooted in Pakistan education system. As responsible citizens of Pakistan you should start talking and questioning the government to act. This will have massive ramifications for future generations if not dealt with. You are not achieving anything just casually discussing on a forum.
 
A pathetic analogy. I have a better one compared to this nonsense.

PTI is the father and PMLN/PPP is the mother.

They broke up and their son (PIA) lived with PMLN/PPP previously before PTI got the custody.

PIA failed his exams and PTI publicized the result in front of the entire family and told them that he failed because he did not get good care and attention from his mother.

As the self-righteous and narcissistic parent, PTI claimed that he will start producing better results now that PTI is in charge.

This revelation in front of the family was done in order to make PTI look like the better parent and also protect him from accountability in the future.

But this was done at the expense of the reputation of his son in front of the family, who is now humiliated and ashamed, and about to be banned from meeting his cousins because he is considered a bad influence.

So PTI proved what a terrible father he is. In order to make himself look good and protect himself, he had no problem in destroying the reputation of his son in front of the family, something that would have long-term repercussions.

If PTI was a genuine and a sincere parent, he would not have told his family that his son failed and would have protected his image and reputation while working hard with him behind closed doors to improve his grades.

So how does PTI make himself look good here and how does he protect his image?

It is simple. If the son becomes a high achiever, PTI will take all the credit, gloat in front of the family and say that it is the result of his hard work.

However, if the son continues to fail, PTI will protect himself by stating that well he tried his best but his mother messed him up too much and now he is beyond repair.

In fact, protecting himself from accountability is the major reason. PTI knows deep down that he is an incompetent father who is only good at making big claims, make accusations and abuse his former partner, so it is quite likely that the son will produce even worse results in the future.

So it is quite obvious that this is not about the well-being and the future of the son; this is about PTI making itself look good even if it is at the expense of his son’s reputation.

A truly disgraceful father indeed.
What a pathetic post. You don't 'quietly' deal with hundreds of pilots with fake degrees flying airliners around the world, endangering the passengers,endangering those living under flight paths, and anyone and everyone else at a destination airport as the flight lands or takes off.

How long before the word gets out, and the govt gets accused of hiding the problem and brushing it under the carpet?

If I recall correctly, some time (a few years) back, you admitted that your families business pays all sorts of bribes as it's 'necessary' to conduct business in Pakistan.

Well my friend, that is corruption!!
. And yet, time and again, you have the gall to rant about the endemic corruption in Pakistan. Which is hypocrisy.

You should start by cleaning up your own house first before lecturing others.
 
What a pathetic post. You don't 'quietly' deal with hundreds of pilots with fake degrees flying airliners around the world, endangering the passengers,endangering those living under flight paths, and anyone and everyone else at a destination airport as the flight lands or takes off.

How long before the word gets out, and the govt gets accused of hiding the problem and brushing it under the carpet?

When did PTI come into power? July 2018.

Why did it take the government 2 years and a plane crash to be aware of the fact that they have several pilots with fake licenses?

PTI have been talking about PIA reforms since day 1. So what type of reforms are these? even a layman would tell you that the two most critical aspects of reforming an airline are the safety of the planes and the the training of the pilots flying those planes.

For months, PIA have been gloating over the increased profits and how the new PIA CEO (a PAF Air Marshal) has turned things around for PIA.

What credible and competent airline management gloats over increased profits when they have several pilots with fake licenses flying the planes?

The weak justification provided by PTI brainwashed supporters is that they have tried to deal with these pilots but they took stay orders in court. That is a nonsense excuse.

Why wasn’t this issue publicized the way it has been done now? Why didn’t the aviation minister declare it in the parliament and made it clear that there are fake pilots in PIA who have been given legal protection?

If they would have done what they have done now, it would have put pressure on the judiciary and it would have made international news. PTI have no problem abusing the judiciary whenever it feels like, but for some reason, they quietly accepted the stay orders and allowed the pilots to fly without licenses.

Where was this attitude of not endangering people’s lives? Was it not a problem them?

This so-called new and competent PIA leadership had no idea about the fake license issues and there laughable reforms over the 2 years were focused on making themselves look good instead of making PIA better. The reason why they have immediately gone public is for the reasons I mentioned previously.

If these people cared about performance and safety they wouldn’t have taken 2 years and a crash to wake up.

Furthermore, there needs to be a comprehensive report on what percentage of PIA crashes in the last X number of years have happened because of pilots with fake licenses?

These pilots with fake licenses have skipped/failed theoretical exams but they have undergone the complete practical training program. A lot of these pilots have considerable hands-on experience and have flown to the gulf and Europe several times without any issues.

Thus, instead of firing these pilots right away, it would be more prudent - cost & time efficient - to identify the pilots who have demonstrated comprehensive flying capabilities and make them retake the exams and obtain genuine licenses.

The comprehensive report that I mentioned above would show the severity of this problem. If the vast majority of crashes have happened because the pilots had fake licensing, it will prove that these pilots need to be removed immediately.

However, if very few or perhaps no crashes have happened because of fake licensing, then instead of getting rid of them, it would be more sensible to complete their training and grant them real licenses instead of going through the entire process with completely new individuals.

For example, the latest crash happened due to a pilot error, but this particular pilot had a genuine license and vast flying experience.

If I recall correctly, some time (a few years) back, you admitted that your families business pays all sorts of bribes as it's 'necessary' to conduct business in Pakistan.

Well my friend, that is corruption!!
. And yet, time and again, you have the gall to rant about the endemic corruption in Pakistan. Which is hypocrisy.

You should start by cleaning up your own house first before lecturing others.

It is easy to take the moral high ground when you do not live in Pakistan. It is always easy to act moral and give lectures on what is corruption and what isn’t when you have not been tested.

Everyone thinks he/she is moral and will not do corruption until they are in a position to do so. Everyone criticized a 17 year old Amir for accepting £££ in exchange for bowling no-balls, but none of them were in Amir’s position where they were offered a life-changing amount for bowling a couple of no-balls.

Overseas Pakistanis who left the country generations ago are out of touch with reality and make tall claims against corruption very easily. Unfortunately, these people do not have an ounce of credibility.

I don’t need lectures from you on corruption because you have not worked in the public sector in Pakistan. Heck, how many days have you spent in Pakistan in the last 20 years?

If I were a brown angraiz with identity crisis, I would have held similar views.

Also, I do not rant about endemic corruption. On the contrary, my viewpoint is that corruption is a systematic reality in third world countries. It is the oil that keeps the system moving. If you eliminate bribes, kickbacks, commissions etc. from countries like Pakistan, India and Bangladesh etc., nothing will get done.

Corruption exists in Pakistan and it still exists under Imran Khan regardless of all the unrealistic promises and claims that he makes.

Pakistan as a country will only progress if it focuses on building competencies rather than corruption. The notion that everything will fall in place and the country will progress if you eliminate corruption is false. The country will only progress when you employ competent, knowledgeable people.

Looking at the unique assortment of idiots and morons that Imran has collected in his government and given them ministries, it is obvious that he does not understand the concept of competency.

And the irony is that these idiots and morons are also corrupt. Their only expertise, and why they are ministers in the first place, is that they are very good at abusing the opposition.
 
When did PTI come into power? July 2018.

Why did it take the government 2 years and a plane crash to be aware of the fact that they have several pilots with fake licenses?

PTI have been talking about PIA reforms since day 1. So what type of reforms are these? even a layman would tell you that the two most critical aspects of reforming an airline are the safety of the planes and the the training of the pilots flying those planes.

For months, PIA have been gloating over the increased profits and how the new PIA CEO (a PAF Air Marshal) has turned things around for PIA.

What credible and competent airline management gloats over increased profits when they have several pilots with fake licenses flying the planes?

The weak justification provided by PTI brainwashed supporters is that they have tried to deal with these pilots but they took stay orders in court. That is a nonsense excuse.

Why wasn’t this issue publicized the way it has been done now? Why didn’t the aviation minister declare it in the parliament and made it clear that there are fake pilots in PIA who have been given legal protection?

If they would have done what they have done now, it would have put pressure on the judiciary and it would have made international news. PTI have no problem abusing the judiciary whenever it feels like, but for some reason, they quietly accepted the stay orders and allowed the pilots to fly without licenses.

Where was this attitude of not endangering people’s lives? Was it not a problem them?

This so-called new and competent PIA leadership had no idea about the fake license issues and there laughable reforms over the 2 years were focused on making themselves look good instead of making PIA better. The reason why they have immediately gone public is for the reasons I mentioned previously.

If these people cared about performance and safety they wouldn’t have taken 2 years and a crash to wake up.

Furthermore, there needs to be a comprehensive report on what percentage of PIA crashes in the last X number of years have happened because of pilots with fake licenses?

These pilots with fake licenses have skipped/failed theoretical exams but they have undergone the complete practical training program. A lot of these pilots have considerable hands-on experience and have flown to the gulf and Europe several times without any issues.

Thus, instead of firing these pilots right away, it would be more prudent - cost & time efficient - to identify the pilots who have demonstrated comprehensive flying capabilities and make them retake the exams and obtain genuine licenses.

The comprehensive report that I mentioned above would show the severity of this problem. If the vast majority of crashes have happened because the pilots had fake licensing, it will prove that these pilots need to be removed immediately.

However, if very few or perhaps no crashes have happened because of fake licensing, then instead of getting rid of them, it would be more sensible to complete their training and grant them real licenses instead of going through the entire process with completely new individuals.

For example, the latest crash happened due to a pilot error, but this particular pilot had a genuine license and vast flying experience.



It is easy to take the moral high ground when you do not live in Pakistan. It is always easy to act moral and give lectures on what is corruption and what isn’t when you have not been tested.

Everyone thinks he/she is moral and will not do corruption until they are in a position to do so. Everyone criticized a 17 year old Amir for accepting £££ in exchange for bowling no-balls, but none of them were in Amir’s position where they were offered a life-changing amount for bowling a couple of no-balls.

Overseas Pakistanis who left the country generations ago are out of touch with reality and make tall claims against corruption very easily. Unfortunately, these people do not have an ounce of credibility.

I don’t need lectures from you on corruption because you have not worked in the public sector in Pakistan. Heck, how many days have you spent in Pakistan in the last 20 years?

If I were a brown angraiz with identity crisis, I would have held similar views.

Also, I do not rant about endemic corruption. On the contrary, my viewpoint is that corruption is a systematic reality in third world countries. It is the oil that keeps the system moving. If you eliminate bribes, kickbacks, commissions etc. from countries like Pakistan, India and Bangladesh etc., nothing will get done.

Corruption exists in Pakistan and it still exists under Imran Khan regardless of all the unrealistic promises and claims that he makes.

Pakistan as a country will only progress if it focuses on building competencies rather than corruption. The notion that everything will fall in place and the country will progress if you eliminate corruption is false. The country will only progress when you employ competent, knowledgeable people.

Looking at the unique assortment of idiots and morons that Imran has collected in his government and given them ministries, it is obvious that he does not understand the concept of competency.

And the irony is that these idiots and morons are also corrupt. Their only expertise, and why they are ministers in the first place, is that they are very good at abusing the opposition.
In other words you are not denying that your own family pays bribes and therefore is deeply mired in corruption. From that it's also fair to assume that your expensive education, in Pakistan as well as outside Pakistan, was the product of corrupt practices in so far as the resources required to finance it all stemmed from bribery and corruption. And yet you pontificate and try to claim the moral high ground by ranting against alleged corruption by others. That is pure and utter hypocrisy. Clean up your own house first.
 
In other words you are not denying that your own family pays bribes and therefore is deeply mired in corruption. From that it's also fair to assume that your expensive education, in Pakistan as well as outside Pakistan, was the product of corrupt practices in so far as the resources required to finance it all stemmed from bribery and corruption. And yet you pontificate and try to claim the moral high ground by ranting against alleged corruption by others. That is pure and utter hypocrisy. Clean up your own house first.

You seem to have trouble understanding plain English. As I stated earlier, I do not believe that corruption is a major stumbling block on the path to development. It is very much possible to achieving economic growth in spite of corruption, and we have seen that in India since their economic liberalization in 1991.

People who have an idealistic understanding of corruption and believe that getting rid of corruption will solve everything are usual overseas Pakistanis who are out of touch with reality, and they are the ones who claim the moral high ground even though their morality has not been tested yet.

I don’t claim any moral high ground over corruption. My issue with the self-righteousness of PTI. Imran Khan has repeatedly stated that corruption is the root of all problems but yet he has no problem associating himself with corrupt people and benefiting from their corruption when it suits him.

His political campaign was funded by the “mafias” with black money that he is now supposedly going to target.

This is what you would call pure and utter hypocrisy.

If Imran and PTI supporters did not have such a strong stance against corruption, people wouldn’t have the need to criticize their corrupt practices.

In truth, Imran and his government are failing spectacularly not because they are corrupt but because they are spectacularly incompetent.
 
The Public Procurement Regulatory Authority (PPRA) has barred the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) from entering into a negotiated deal with England’s aviation regulator to train Pakistani pilots, advising it to instead float an international tender for training the pilots in line with global standards.

The Pakistan CAA (PCAA) wants to hire the UK Civil Aviation Authority International for training Pakistani pilots after an inquiry report pointed out serious anomalies in its examination systems, which led to the grounding of dozens of pilots and cancellation of licences of many others.

“The PCAA is recommended to engage in open competitive tendering process for selection of International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) compliant organisation for conduct of examinations of pilots, and signing any framework agreement if necessary,” advised PPRA to the air industry regulator.

It added that till such time the PCAA enters into a contract or framework agreement with the ICAO-compliant organisation subsequent to open competitive tendering process, it may require the candidates to pass the examination on their own from any of the ICAO-complaint organisations.

PPRA also suggested that the PCAA may consider recognition of those examination systems as accredited examination systems, subject to approval of the competent forum of the PCAA.

In April this year, the CAA had sought advice from PPRA regarding negotiated tendering with the single party - the UK Civil Aviation Authority-International (UK CAA) - by invoking certain PPRA rules that allow such negotiated tendering.

The CAA had sought relaxation from the competitive bidding process on the grounds that the contract was technical or artistic in nature and was connected with the protection of exclusive rights or intellectual property, and also due to extreme urgency of the matter.

PPRA did not agree to these grounds.

“The PCAA desires to sign a contract with the UK CAA for conduct of examination, as per the recurrent fee at the rate of £90 quoted by the UK CAA in addition to the one-time examination fee of £69,600.”

PPRA said that the contract nature was more of a “Framework Agreement” than a service provider agreement.

In June last year, Aviation Minister Ghulam Sarwar Khan jolted the world and said that more than 30% of civilian pilots in Pakistan had fake licences and were not qualified to fly.

Khan had said 262 pilots in the country “did not take the exam themselves” and had paid someone else to sit on their behalf.

Then in December last year, the Supreme Court was informed that the national flag carrier had cleared 110 pilots out of the 141 whose licences to fly had been suspended in the backdrop of the fake degree controversy.

The PCAA informed PPRA that there were serious anomalies in the examination system of pilots, pointed out in July last year by the high-level inquiry.

The CAA said that ICAO and European Commission had imposed Significant Safety Concerns (SCCs) regarding PCAA examination system, and the concerns would only be removed after the validation audit of Corrective Action Plan (CAP).

An official of PPRA said that the CAA provided very limited information and PPRA was of the view that negotiated tendering was only possible where “technical solution that is non-obvious for others, and hence not available anywhere”, otherwise there could be no reason to avoid the competitive process.

Secondly, the exclusive rights are granted for such patentable inventions having novel and unique technical solutions for industrial applications.

“For any examination system for the pilots, there are many ICAO compliant organisations in the world, which can be engaged through competitive tendering process,” said PPRA while denying the permission to enter into a negotiated deal with the UK aviation regulator.

It added that since a high-level inquiry has highlighted serious anomalies in the PCAA examination system, so, if someone considers it as an unforeseeable event, it would be considered as attributable to the PCAA. The PPRA management further underlined that PCAA had sufficient time after publishing of the inquiry report or the issuance of the advice of the ICAO, for engagement in competitive tendering process.

Moreover, the provisions of extreme urgencies (if meet all the requirements) can only be invoked for the short-term basis rather than engaging in the long-term framework agreements, for which there was separate provision in Rule 16-A titled as procurement of common use items, services and commodities through framework agreement.

Published in The Express Tribune, July 7th, 2021.
 
Amid scenes of uncertainty, this Pakistani pilot successfully brought PIA plane from Kabul to Isb.

Must watch what PIA Pilot and crew members had to face at Kabul Airport. I think a movie can be made about what was going on at the Airport.

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smart move, especially the fact that he took off after the military planes. If the plane had stayed, there could had been some anti-Pakistan rocks being thrown or people trying to hold on to it. Any death through our PIA would had reflected bad on us.

Kudos to the PIA captain for smart thinking, but didnt have to come out and make a video on social media and telling his own heroics lol

Im surprised how the people at the control tower just ran away.
 
Remember he did not have air traffic support. He was technically blind without the ATC.
 
RAWALPINDI: Pakistan Internat*ional Airlines (PIA) Chief Executive Officer Arshad Malik has praised Captain Maqsood Bajrani for bringing a PIA flight from Kabul during a crisis-like situation on Sunday.

“In a crisis situation, the use of understanding, experience and skills is a sign of a real professional,” the PIA CEO said.

He said as soon as the situation in Kabul deteriorated, the captain contacted PIA management.

Captain Bajrani of Airbus A320 was waiting to get clearance from Air Traffic Control when the Taliban took control of Afghanistan on Sunday. “Take your own decision,” one of the cabin crew said following which Captain Bajrani of PIA flight PK6252 chose to take off for Islamabad.

While emergency had been declared at the airport as thick black smoke emitting from the surrounding hills could be seen from the plane, the PIA Airbus A320 was kept on hold.

A crew member said the captain promptly decided to take off after making a surprise announcement that they were ready to take off for Islamabad. She said soon afterwards the plane started moving with high speed to take off, it was because the captain was following two fighter planes running ahead of the PIA plane as he thought it better to follow them.

The crew took a sigh of relief when the captain informed them that they had entered into the territory of Pakistan. The plane landed at Islamabad International Airport at about 7.10pm on Sunday.

As the plane landed at the airport and its door opened, a PIA staff member came on to the plane and told the crew that he had an important note for the captain from the CEO.

In his message, the CEO praised Captain Bajrani for bringing the flight from Kabul after the situation deteriorated, as he flew safely in adverse conditions after informing the PIA management.

DAWN
 
In a bid to address the concerns of the global aviation industry on the issue of alleged fake licences of Pakistani pilots, Pakistan’s Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) on Wednesday decided to outsource the process of holding licensing exams to the United Kingdom’s aviation authority.

An agreement has been reached between the civil aviation authorities in Pakistan and United Kingdom for three years after the cabinet approved a framework agreement between the two entities.

The British aviation authority will conduct exams for licenses of Flight Operations Officer (FOO), private pilot license (PPL), and commercial pilot license (CPL).

The pilots will have to pay the exam fee in pounds, as per the agreement. The fee for appearing in exams for the first year is set at 90 pounds per paper while 95 pounds per paper will be charged for the second year.

The pilot would be liable to pay the entire fee for appearing in the exam for the third time.

Meanwhile, Pakistan’s aviation authority would pay 75 per cent for the first time and 25 per cent for the second time.

Pilot licence scandal

In June last year, Aviation Minister Ghulam Sarwar Khan had made a startling revelation that 262 pilots, out of a total of 860 in the country, had "suspicious flying licences" and would be grounded immediately.

Later, the PIA announced that it would ground a third of its 434 pilots.

Later, the PIA sacked 17 pilots for having 'dubious' flying licences on the order of the federal cabinet. They included 12 captains and five first officers.

In the wake of the fake licence scandal, the European Union Air Safety Agency (EASA) has suspended PIA’s authorisation to operate in EU member states for six months expressing concerns over the minister’s statement.

Following the EASA’s move, the UK Civil Aviation Authority said it was withdrawing PIA’s permit to operate from three of its airports. “PIA flights from Birmingham, London Heathrow and Manchester airports are suspended with immediate effect,” a spokesperson for the authority told Reuters. The three were major flying destinations for the airline.

Later, the United States also imposed a ban on flights of the national flag carrier for six months citing dubious licences.

On June 25 the same year, Chief Justice Gulzar Ahmed took notice of the matter and the apex court issued directions for the registration of criminal cases against the officials involved in the issuance of fake licences to pilots.

The court also ordered the relevant authorities to immediately conclude the proceedings against pilots with fake licences. It also expressed its dissatisfaction over the reports submitted to the court by the CAA and the PIA

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2332079/caa-to-outsource-pilots-licensing-exams-to-uk
 
ISLAMABAD:The Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) has banned the cockpit crew of its fleet from working while fasting.

A safety bulletin was issued for the cockpit crew, according to which they have been banned from working while fasting for medical reasons. Those who do not want to skip a fast would be given the required leave.

According to a spokesperson of the national flag-carrier, the orders were issued in accordance with international law, and fasting captains may avail leaves instead of operating flights.
 
The losses suffered by the national flag carrier since the controversy of fake pilot degrees erupted has run into billions of rupees amid fears that the downward trend will continue into the next year as well.

The controversy, which continues to haunt the state entity, was set in motion after an inquiry into a PIA crash that killed 97 people in Karachi resulted in the stunning revelation that 260 of 860 pilots in Pakistan had cheated on their pilots exams but were still given licences by the Civil Aviation Authority.

Later, in July 2020, the European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) suspended the third country operator authorisation of the national flag carrier, PIA, to operate flights in the EU member states for six months due to safety concerns against the backdrop of the plane crash and the subsequent damning statement of the aviation minister that 40 per cent of Pakistani pilots possessed dubious licences.

PIA has suffered a loss of Rs100 billion during the past two-and-a-half years. According to the state airline sources, by the end of this year, the loss might soar to Rs150 billion.

They said that in the past two and a half years, the state airline’s flights to Britain and Europe were minimal. Only 73 flights were operated against the annual average of 1,080 flights to Britain. In the past two and a half years, a total of 150 flights were operated against the usual figure of 2,000 flights.

The ban limited flights to France, Barcelona, Copenhagen and Milan, as only 24 flights out of the annual average of 192 flights were operated.

Sources said that due to the ban PIA lost Rs85 billion on the UK route while it lost Rs16 billion on the route of European countries.

They further said that an online audit of the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) and PIA is expected by the European Union Air Safety Agency (EASA) in October this year, following which experts will come to Pakistan for a physical audit.

However, they added, it is unlikely that the ban will end this year, due to which the total loss is expected to increase to Rs150 billion.

Meanwhile, PIA has announced a relief package for passengers going to China.

The decision was taken in view of the difficulties faced by passengers due to the fluctuation in the value of the dollar.

Passengers will now be able to avail 10 percent discount through the national airline while students will be able to get a 22 percent discount by getting their tickets from the PIA’s offices.

Apart from this, students will also be given a 40 percent discount on luggage, and the limit has been increased from 40kg to 80kg. This discount ranges between Rs50,000 to Rs100,000.

The fare of the state airline to the city of Xi’an in China is Rs519,000 while the one-way fare to Chengdu is fixed at Rs508,000.

Express Tribune
 
According to sources from Karachi, planes going to Saudi Arabia are constantly malfunctioning. The APU of PIA flight PK-760 from Jeddah to Lahore developed a technical problem. The pilot stopped the plane by applying emergency brakes and took safety measures.
 
Pakistan International Airline (PIA) flight operations have been disrupted as five Boeing aircraft were grounded.

As per details, three Boeing 777 aircraft were grounded because of maintenance while two others were permanently grounded as they had no engine.

Currently, out of 12 PIA Boeing aircraft seven are operational as one aircraft is dysfunctional in Jeddah. The national airline needs $60 million for the maintenance of aircraft.

Earlier, it was reported that due to the lack of maintenance and repair work, several Boeing 777 aircraft of the national flag carrier Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) developed technical faults during international flights.

The technical faults in PIA aircraft are continuously rising due to the lack of maintenance and repair works by the airline’s engineering department, sources told ARY News.

The technical faults have not only increased the flight safety risks but they also caused difficulties for passengers and financial troubles for the airline.

According to sources, several Boeing 777 aircraft developed technical faults during Saudi Arabia flights and millions of dollars were spent on their repair.

It is pertinent to mention here that in May this year, the Civil Aviation Authority report revealed that a total of eight Pakistan International Airline (PIA) aircraft are grounded.

As per details, the report submitted to National Assembly Standing Committee stated that out of eight aircraft seven are repairable while one aircraft is not usable. Three Boeing 777, two airbuses, and three ATRs are grounded because of no service and one PIA aircraft is unusable.

Source:ARY
 
It sounds really strange. Peshawar and Karachi are at the opposite ends of Pakistan. Surely he did not fly south instead of going north?


Flights are diverted for many reasons

The dirt these pti are slinging on pia they and they leader are wholly responsible for pia being banned

How can someone be a fake pilot , how would someone with no training or education even fly a complicated machine like a jumbo jet .

It's ridiculous

If someone can't drive and got into a car there is a very high chance they will crash the car and if it's manual stall or burn the clutch out.
 
This is unacceptable. He took a different flight path which could be dangerous? How the hell does this happen? What was ATC and Ground Control doing?

It's fairytale by pti mainly from kpk province they like playing victims.

How can he be a pilot if he can't even navigate plus wouldn't the air traffic controllers alerted because flight is off course and they would have alerted the military incase the plane has been hijacked
 
It's fairytale by pti mainly from kpk province they like playing victims.

How can he be a pilot if he can't even navigate plus wouldn't the air traffic controllers alerted because flight is off course and they would have alerted the military incase the plane has been hijacked
yeah this is a very weird case and if a flight is off path, it is a national security threat.
 
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