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When British colonials used to hunt Indians for fun or mistaking them for "monkeys, birds, buffalos"

One of the least reported aspects of colonial oppression - these peoples are really evil, and don't think that they're not doing it now in countries like Iraq or Afghanistan, like they did in Vietnam, etc few decades ago.


As I have argued throughout this book, white violence was not exceptional but an everyday part of British rule in the subcontinent.
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In the late nineteenth century, Europeans were routinely acquitted in cases where the evidence against them was more than compelling. In 1885, two British planters in Assam (Hext and Bragg) were acquitted in the murder of an Indian boy who enraged them by failing to dismount from his horse as their carriage approached. Hext and Bragg horsewhipped and kicked the boy and then ran him over with their carriage, killing him on the spot. In court, death was determined to be an accident and Hext and Bragg were released. As Pataka remarked, “Beasts are killed for the sport of Englishmen, and natives are killed for the pacification of their anger.

Between 1880 and 1900, there were eighty-one reported “shooting accidents” in which European defendants claimed to have mistaken their Indian victims for animals such as monkeys, birds, and buffalos. Som Prakashnoted that “Anglo-Indians now hunt natives under the mistaken impression that they are birds or beasts.” Samvad Purnachandrodaya remarked that: “shooting natives has become something like a disease with them. They are tried by their own countrymen, so they are generally acquitted after shooting natives.” And Karnatak Patra wondered how the courts could let them get away with this: “Has the Government not heard that a Native is made to assume the form of a beast or a bird in order to be murdered with impunity by his European conqueror? Has it not been sufficiently public that blood stains on the clothes and person of a European charged with the murder of a native constitute no evidence to prove his crime?”

Indian-killing was likened by critics to other violent colonial sports such as pig-sticking and tiger-hunting. In reference to a case where a European boy shot an Indian dead and was fined Rs. 10, Sulabh Dainik remarked: “The English are the ruling race in this country and India is their sporting ground. Englishmen come to India to make money and to make themselves merry. Here shooting of tigers and bears is not sufficient sport; there can be no full sporting without occasional indulgence in native shooting.” In 1885, Amrita Bazar Patrikasarcastically compared the plethora of European shooting accidents to the total absence of Indian accidents, “it is strange that natives, many of whom use guns, so rarely shoot at people by accident. The reason doubtless is that, while natives fear the punishment prescribed by law for such offenses, Europeans are quite free from such fear.”
 
You can fill libraries what Brits did wrong to Indians
However, you can also fill libraries about the benefits Indians got from the rule of East Indian Company.
 
You can fill libraries what Brits did wrong to Indians
However, you can also fill libraries about the benefits Indians got from the rule of East Indian Company.

You can fill libraries with the benefits India would've got without the rule of the East India Company. Only one involves the systematic genocide of a people though.
 
You can fill libraries what Brits did wrong to Indians
However, you can also fill libraries about the benefits Indians got from the rule of East Indian Company.

You're at it again taking the pseudo contrarian position out of crypto intellectuality.

I have stopped arguing with apologists of colonialism with dozens of statistics on de-industrialization and so on (spoiler : building roads in parallel to de-industrialization is like breaking a man's legs then giving him "the chance" to run), so I generally limit myself to few lines which I think resumes everything.

If the history of British rule in India were to be condensed into a single fact, it is this : there was no increase in India's per capita income from 1757 to 1947. Indeed, in the last half of the nineteenth century, income probably declined by more than 50 percent. There was no economic development at all in the usual sense of the term.
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These dismal trends vindicate the often derided claim of nineteenth-century nationalists that British "Progress" was Indian ruin. Yet India's economic stagnation under the Raj has puzzling aspects. Where were the fruits of modernization, of the thousands of miles of railroad track and canal? And where were the profits of the great export booms that transformed the subcontinent's agriculture in the second half of the nineteenth century?

Mike Davis, "Late Victorian Holocausts", pp. 311-312
 
Same with Jules Verne, Five Weeks in a Balloon. It used to be the theme that anything non-European was barbaric and savage. I think it grew from an inferiority complex as most of these things tend to do.
 
For information purposes it's interesting, but is it of any relevance today? India has presumably moved on, although what direction has still to be established. Whatever is going on in Iraq or Afghanistan is not really their problem.
 
You're at it again taking the pseudo contrarian position out of crypto intellectuality.

I have stopped arguing with apologists of colonialism with dozens of statistics on de-industrialization and so on (spoiler : building roads in parallel to de-industrialization is like breaking a man's legs then giving him "the chance" to run), so I generally limit myself to few lines which I think resumes everything.



Mike Davis, "Late Victorian Holocausts", pp. 311-312


Why should I be appologist in this case?
Do apologists say that one can fill libraries with the wrongdoings?

Let me start with that East India caused 10M deaths in bengal (which was one of the richest provinces in india at that time). And at that time, world population was significantly less.

But I cannot be one sided and ignore the (unintended mostly) benefits of the colonization.
 
[MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] said in a previous thread.

Every action has a reaction. Newton's third Law or something.

Whatever atrocities were committed, I am sure that they were purely a reaction to whatever the natives did first.
 
For information purposes it's interesting, but is it of any relevance today? India has presumably moved on, although what direction has still to be established. Whatever is going on in Iraq or Afghanistan is not really their problem.

I think it's important for the likes of Black Zero who believes everything was worth it because rail tracks were built.

History is also important which is why in UK schools were are taught about the World Wars and how the good defeated the bad. We were never taught such information as in the OP.
 
Will these past atrocities be the bond that will unite India and Pakistan?Will they realise that divided they suffer and together they are a super power?

United i mean united as allies.
 
Will these past atrocities be the bond that will unite India and Pakistan?Will they realise that divided they suffer and together they are a super power?

United i mean united as allies.

Im sure they would have but India seems to be continuing a similar tradition in Kashmir.
 
[MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] said in a previous thread.

Every action has a reaction. Newton's third Law or something.

Whatever atrocities were committed, I am sure that they were purely a reaction to whatever the natives did first.

In fact the author quotes an Indian journalist at the time who said something like "it's interesting that Indians don't shoot British civilians mistaking them for animal". He was, of course, sarcastic, because he knew the reason : the thing is that these peoples were shielded by "legalism", the same way an American drone operator can kill civilians at will and get away with it. In a French documentary there was a controversy some years ago because few French soldiers were not only bombing a village but making joke ("look, some children fresh meat", etc). Why do you think they can ? Because there's no law against them - in the same way a British colonial could "hunt" an Indian with the same ease as a tiger, buffalo, ... because through British colonialism that was the worth/value of a "native".

We're still waiting for a true "reaction" to that, but as a believer, I think that the suicide rates, abortions, mass immigration, ... are just that.

Will these past atrocities be the bond that will unite India and Pakistan?Will they realise that divided they suffer and together they are a super power?

United i mean united as allies.

There's too much ego. Ideally Afghans, Pakistanis, Indians, Iranians, Chinese, etc should be allies already. What they miss that what the British did in India was no different than what American do in Iraq and Afghanistan : it's the same "software", of which "we" are all "potential victims".

If there was no collaboration and exchange of culture in this part of the world, there would have been no Buddhism in China, no Islamic civilisation, etc, etc

Even if I'm 26 I don't bank on the current/my generation to change that equation, sadly.
 
Even if I'm 26 I don't bank on the current/my generation to change that equation, sadly.

You're just 26!?!

The vast knowledge about history that you possess and your impressive vocabulary made you seem like a much older person,to me.
 
You're just 26!?!

The vast knowledge about history that you possess and your impressive vocabulary made you seem like a much older person,to me.

@enkidu has the weirdest collection of books for his age. I think at that age it takes one good book and author to spark your curiosity and before you know it you're a specialist of sorts
 
Who should take credit that we are discussing this topic on a cricket centric forum?
 
You can fill libraries what Brits did wrong to Indians
However, you can also fill libraries about the benefits Indians got from the rule of East Indian Company.
Yes, every slavish uncle Tom found good things being slaves of others. You are welcome to be slave of others and get the benefits
 

@Rajdeep

I specifically remember you among the group of Indians on here, who insist on how India benefitted from the British Empire.

Do you still maintain this view?
Yes Britain had done a lot that had benefitted India. Those benefits may came as a byproduct but it is no doubt modern India is reaping those benefits now - Railways, Infrastructure, Modern education system, Codified laws, civil services, political unification etc etc.

The best thing however they have done is dividing the country and gave Muslims separate Pakistan. Imagine we all are still one country...that thought itself is scary. It is not Britishers fault that likes of Nehru and Ghandhi couldn't cease the opportunity during partition like the way Jinnah had done for Pakistan.
 
When British colonials used to hunt Indians for fun or mistaking them for "monkeys, birds, buffalos"

One of the least reported aspects of colonial oppression - these peoples are really evil, and don't think that they're not doing it now in countries like Iraq or Afghanistan, like they did in Vietnam, etc few decades ago.
desis who say we were better off before independence need to read this
 
desis who say we were better off before independence need to read this
There are still lots of Indians and Desi who will side with right wing in America and Europe because they genuinely believe that they can become one of them or can cozy up to them for benefits

They don't realize that they look down on all brown people and consider them beneath them.

See how many people loved Trump, etc.

Typical slave mentality people.
 
desis who say we were better off before independence need to read this
No one says they were better pre independence but British colonislism was way better than other rulers that ruled India like Mughals, Sultanates etc etc.
 
There are still lots of Indians and Desi who will side with right wing in America and Europe because they genuinely believe that they can become one of them or can cozy up to them for benefits

They don't realize that they look down on all brown people and consider them beneath them.

See how many people loved Trump, etc.

Typical slave mentality people.
So what do you want us to do? Side up with desis like Anjem Chaudhary and blast ourselves in London Bridge? No thanks.
 
So what do you want us to do? Side up with desis like Anjem Chaudhary and blast ourselves in London Bridge? No thanks.
You can be slaves of as many white people as you want. But please don't drag rest of humanity and Indians with you.

I would rather fight with people I have disagreement with as a free human being than lick the boots of racists who despise us and look down upon us as slaves.
 
You can be slaves of as many white people as you want. But please don't drag rest of humanity and Indians with you.

I would rather fight with people I have disagreement with as a free human being than lick the boots of racists who despise us and look down upon us as slaves.
No one licks any boot or act as slave. You may be talking about things that happen in your household. We all act independently, see the things with open eyes and ears and act accordingly. You are spending too much time in Pakistani forum and getting influenced by them. Hopefully you will course correct yourself.
 
So what do you want us to do? Side up with desis like Anjem Chaudhary and blast ourselves in London Bridge? No thanks.

BTW, this is exactly mentality British cultivated to divide and conquer india. Good to see that many generations afterwards we shall have brainwashed Indians who still fall for the same tactics.

If people ever wonder why we had so many traitors like jaichand and Mir Jafar in the subcontinent, this is the example of their thinking, this exact kind of thinking where they sided with the invaders and went against their own.

Which is why right wingers laugh behind our backs so much.
 
No one licks any boot or act as slave. You may be talking about things that happen in your household. We all act independently, see the things with open eyes and ears and act accordingly. You are spending too much time in Pakistani forum and getting influenced by them. Hopefully you will course correct yourself.
We know for a fact what Trump and his supporters think about brown people. We have his quotes, his actions over many many decades. We still have his supporters blasting indians all over social media. Trump has forever loathed brown people and makes no distinction between Indians or pakairanis or any other brown person.

If you still cozy up to those who think of you as beneath them, yes yes, you are a brown uncle Tom with slave mentality

Before lecturing me on my time, pick up a history book and see how the idea you are parroting is exactly what traitors used to support British over their own people. Learn why British used this technique, the same technique trump and others use too. Because we have gullible, low IQ, slave mentality people who will lick the same boots who look down on them as insects.
 
No one licks any boot or act as slave. You may be talking about things that happen in your household. We all act independently, see the things with open eyes and ears and act accordingly. You are spending too much time in Pakistani forum and getting influenced by them. Hopefully you will course correct yourself.
Raju, tu bahut change ho gela hai re. :yk :inti
 
BTW, this is exactly mentality British cultivated to divide and conquer india. Good to see that many generations afterwards we shall have brainwashed Indians who still fall for the same tactics.

If people ever wonder why we had so many traitors like jaichand and Mir Jafar in the subcontinent, this is the example of their thinking, this exact kind of thinking where they sided with the invaders and went against their own.

Which is why right wingers laugh behind our backs so much.
You have no clue what you are talking about. You think we dont know where white right wingers like MaGa supporters stand? Ofcourse they wont like brown skin people like us. However, people act according to their own idelogy and not to appease any group. We all know who real traitors and jaichands are in India....all of them are out of power now. I am a Modi Bhakt, patriotic Indian who strongly believe everything that right wingers in western world stands for is totally correct. Just because I dont slide with your disgusting leftist ideology doesnt make me a boot licker.
 
We know for a fact what Trump and his supporters think about brown people. We have his quotes, his actions over many many decades. We still have his supporters blasting indians all over social media. Trump has forever loathed brown people and makes no distinction between Indians or pakairanis or any other brown person.

If you still cozy up to those who think of you as beneath them, yes yes, you are a brown uncle Tom with slave mentality

Before lecturing me on my time, pick up a history book and see how the idea you are parroting is exactly what traitors used to support British over their own people. Learn why British used this technique, the same technique trump and others use too. Because we have gullible, low IQ, slave mentality people who will lick the same boots who look down on them as insects.
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You have no clue what you are talking about. You think we dont know where white right wingers like MaGa supporters stand? Ofcourse they wont like brown skin people like us. However, people act according to their own idelogy and not to appease any group. We all know who real traitors and jaichands are in India....all of them are out of power now. I am a Modi Bhakt, patriotic Indian who strongly believe everything that right wingers in western world stands for is totally correct. Just because I dont slide with your disgusting leftist ideology doesnt make me a boot licker.

Of coure you will align with the racists, bigots, facists who hate lgbt, hate people of different colors. Of course you will find them totally correct.

Whenever humanity has couple of decades of peace and prosperity, fascist bigots and their supporters have always risen up. People get too complacent, they don't care what's happens in politics. This allows fascist bigots to spread their ideology of hatred across the world.

People like trump and Hitler rise in power during that period. They spread hatred against those who are different, they spread fear among their own supporters, encouraging them to hate others who are different, based on their skin or religion or sexual orientation or any other characteristics. They don't look for similarities, they feed hatred based on differences.

But you have to remember what happens next. Once the common people are fed up, they rose up and samsh the fascist bigots and drive them back to the holes they were hiding in

Hateful fasicts bigots have always been the losers of history and always will be. Every Trump supporter will be as reviled in history as Hitler supporters are today.
 
Of coure you will align with the racists, bigots, facists who hate lgbt, hate people of different colors. Of course you will find them totally correct.

Whenever humanity has couple of decades of peace and prosperity, fascist bigots and their supporters have always risen up. People get too complacent, they don't care what's happens in politics. This allows fascist bigots to spread their ideology of hatred across the world.

People like trump and Hitler rise in power during that period. They spread hatred against those who are different, they spread fear among their own supporters, encouraging them to hate others who are different, based on their skin or religion or sexual orientation or any other characteristics. They don't look for similarities, they feed hatred based on differences.

But you have to remember what happens next. Once the common people are fed up, they rose up and samsh the fascist bigots and drive them back to the holes they were hiding in

Hateful fasicts bigots have always been the losers of history and always will be. Every Trump supporter will be as reviled in history as Hitler supporters are today.
Again....using big words like Raycists and Fascists has no meaning. I dont stand up nor support any form of racism. If this is your come back arguement...it sounds lame. Not sure where you live but atleast here in Britain problem is not the white British public. Just because I am a brown skinned person, I cannot blindly support them even though I can see in my own eyes what is happening.

It is never about brown community anyway. We are Indians...they are Pakistanis or Bangladeshis. We have no common connection. So dont bring this skin colour crap.

1. When they attacked Indian embassy in London in Aug 15 2019...did they ever thought about brown connection? I was present there and have seen things in my own eyes.

2. Do you want to take the blame for Rotheram rape gangs as Asian gangs?

3. Should I close my eyes and blindly support how Palestine groups do blockade every weekend in Central London?

And LGBT? LOL

You are that typical leftist fool who thinks they like LGBT. I remember a fellow fool like you went into one of these Palestine March wearing LGBT flag. Fellow brown Islamists with Balakava started throwing stones. That guy shouted ' Stop it man...you are ruining it for everyone...we are all one in this fight'. That guys response was 'No we are not'.
 

@Rajdeep

I specifically remember you among the group of Indians on here, who insist on how India benefitted from the British Empire.

Do you still maintain this view?


To be fair, I can respect someone who admits colonianlism some benefits to India. That is why they have often been labeled the British Raj by anglophile Indians.

But it is difficult to respect @Rajdeep because even in this thread he won't give the same plaudits to the Mughal Empire which not only unified India, but made it the richest nation on the planet.
 
To be fair, I can respect someone who admits colonianlism some benefits to India. That is why they have often been labeled the British Raj by anglophile Indians.

But it is difficult to respect @Rajdeep because even in this thread he won't give the same plaudits to the Mughal Empire which not only unified India, but made it the richest nation on the planet.

Mughals and Delhi Sultanates were barbaric evil rulers who plundered and killed millions of Indians. They forcefully change the demographics, killed men, made women widows, plundered places of religion etc. They basically did what Israel is doing now in Palestine with 10 times more intensity. So you can write as much plaudits about them you want but for me they were much of Islamic terrorist organizations like Al Qaeda, ISIS. Aurangazeb was the biggest terrorist in human history.

Comparing them with British colony is funny whataboutery.
 
Mughals and Delhi Sultanates were barbaric evil rulers who plundered and killed millions of Indians. They forcefully change the demographics, killed men, made women widows, plundered places of religion etc. They basically did what Israel is doing now in Palestine with 10 times more intensity. So you can write as much plaudits about them you want but for me they were much of Islamic terrorist organizations like Al Qaeda, ISIS. Aurangazeb was the biggest terrorist in human history.

Comparing them with British colony is funny whataboutery.


How did they plunder India? All the wealth stayed in the country. Rewriting history because they didn't adopt Hindu religion is not going to change any of that.
 
A case could be made that the French in Indo-China and the Dutch in East Indies were even more violent and repressive than the British in India. One recalls the quip from Hi Chi Minh in 1922: “The Gandhis and the De Valeras would have long since entered heaven had they been born in one of the French colonies.” For the Prime Minister of Netherlands from 1940 to 1945, Pieter Sjoerds Gerbrandy, “all Muslims were fuel for the fires of hell.”

But when push came to shove, the British too could resort to ferocious measures. The actions in the aftermath of the Indian mutiny and the Jallianwallah Bagh massacre are obvious examples. Lesser known, but illustrative, was the suppression of the ‘Kooka outbreak’ in 1872, when 65 Sikh were blown away from the mouths of artillery guns. Here is an an striking painting of the event by Vasily Vereshchagin:

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Of course the foundations of British rule did not simply rest on violence. It also relied on alliances with Indian intermediaries and on a framing of the British sovereign as one that stood for benevolence and neutrality.
 
A case could be made that the French in Indo-China and the Dutch in East Indies were even more violent and repressive than the British in India. One recalls the quip from Hi Chi Minh in 1922: “The Gandhis and the De Valeras would have long since entered heaven had they been born in one of the French colonies.” For the Prime Minister of Netherlands from 1940 to 1945, Pieter Sjoerds Gerbrandy, “all Muslims were fuel for the fires of hell.”

But when push came to shove, the British too could resort to ferocious measures. The actions in the aftermath of the Indian mutiny and the Jallianwallah Bagh massacre are obvious examples. Lesser known, but illustrative, was the suppression of the ‘Kooka outbreak’ in 1872, when 65 Sikh were blown away from the mouths of artillery guns. Here is an an striking painting of the event by Vasily Vereshchagin:

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Of course the foundations of British rule did not simply rest on violence. It also relied on alliances with Indian intermediaries and on a framing of the British sovereign as one that stood for benevolence and neutrality.


I wonder why there is not more made of the Sikh resistance against the British Raj? I can understand that the hindutvas don't wish to draw too much attention to the Muslim jihad against the British, but this is the first time I have even heard of this punishment of Sikh rebellions in 1872.
 
Yes Britain had done a lot that had benefitted India. Those benefits may came as a byproduct but it is no doubt modern India is reaping those benefits now - Railways, Infrastructure, Modern education system, Codified laws, civil services, political unification etc etc.

The best thing however they have done is dividing the country and gave Muslims separate Pakistan. Imagine we all are still one country...that thought itself is scary. It is not Britishers fault that likes of Nehru and Ghandhi couldn't cease the opportunity during partition like the way Jinnah had done for Pakistan.

Spoken like a true uncle Tom. @Sachin fan is 100% correct about you and I salute him for calling you out because people like you give Desis a terrible image.

I have no problem with Indians who despise the Muslim rulers, who came before the British.

Selective outrage is one thing but to bow down to the British, after everything they did, because of your inferiority complex sums why you’re hands down the biggest uncle Tom on PP. People like you don’t deserve any respect because you’re quite clearly a self loathing Desi, who has no self-respect whatsoever.
 
Spoken like a true uncle Tom. @Sachin fan is 100% correct about you and I salute him for calling you out because people like you give Desis a terrible image.

I have no problem with Indians who despise the Muslim rulers, who came before the British.

Selective outrage is one thing but to bow down to the British, after everything they did, because of your inferiority complex sums why you’re hands down the biggest uncle Tom on PP. People like you don’t deserve any respect because you’re quite clearly a self loathing Desi, who has no self-respect whatsoever.

@Rajdeep Why are you hiding in the cricket forum? Please enlighten us as to why you decided to live your life as the biggest uncle Tom.
 
Yet they haven't moved on from what the Mughals did for them despite becoming the richest nation on earth under their stewardship. :unsure:
No one glorifies British rule and puts down natives like they do with Mughals. But the leftie secularists and communists do that in India.
At least Brits brought modern education and tech to India. What did Mughals do? Both are evil and never assimilated with local traditions. They remained an occupying force till they died.
 
No one glorifies British rule and puts down natives like they do with Mughals. But the leftie secularists and communists do that in India.
At least Brits brought modern education and tech to India. What did Mughals do? Both are evil and never assimilated with local traditions. They remained an occupying force till they died.


Thanks bro, keep saluting your British Raj. We appreciate it!

:salute
 
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