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When British colonials used to hunt Indians for fun or mistaking them for "monkeys, birds, buffalos"

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When British colonials used to hunt Indians for fun or mistaking them for "monkeys, birds, buffalos"

One of the least reported aspects of colonial oppression - these peoples are really evil, and don't think that they're not doing it now in countries like Iraq or Afghanistan, like they did in Vietnam, etc few decades ago.


As I have argued throughout this book, white violence was not exceptional but an everyday part of British rule in the subcontinent.
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In the late nineteenth century, Europeans were routinely acquitted in cases where the evidence against them was more than compelling. In 1885, two British planters in Assam (Hext and Bragg) were acquitted in the murder of an Indian boy who enraged them by failing to dismount from his horse as their carriage approached. Hext and Bragg horsewhipped and kicked the boy and then ran him over with their carriage, killing him on the spot. In court, death was determined to be an accident and Hext and Bragg were released. As Pataka remarked, “Beasts are killed for the sport of Englishmen, and natives are killed for the pacification of their anger.

Between 1880 and 1900, there were eighty-one reported “shooting accidents” in which European defendants claimed to have mistaken their Indian victims for animals such as monkeys, birds, and buffalos. Som Prakashnoted that “Anglo-Indians now hunt natives under the mistaken impression that they are birds or beasts.” Samvad Purnachandrodaya remarked that: “shooting natives has become something like a disease with them. They are tried by their own countrymen, so they are generally acquitted after shooting natives.” And Karnatak Patra wondered how the courts could let them get away with this: “Has the Government not heard that a Native is made to assume the form of a beast or a bird in order to be murdered with impunity by his European conqueror? Has it not been sufficiently public that blood stains on the clothes and person of a European charged with the murder of a native constitute no evidence to prove his crime?”

Indian-killing was likened by critics to other violent colonial sports such as pig-sticking and tiger-hunting. In reference to a case where a European boy shot an Indian dead and was fined Rs. 10, Sulabh Dainik remarked: “The English are the ruling race in this country and India is their sporting ground. Englishmen come to India to make money and to make themselves merry. Here shooting of tigers and bears is not sufficient sport; there can be no full sporting without occasional indulgence in native shooting.” In 1885, Amrita Bazar Patrikasarcastically compared the plethora of European shooting accidents to the total absence of Indian accidents, “it is strange that natives, many of whom use guns, so rarely shoot at people by accident. The reason doubtless is that, while natives fear the punishment prescribed by law for such offenses, Europeans are quite free from such fear.”
 
You can fill libraries what Brits did wrong to Indians
However, you can also fill libraries about the benefits Indians got from the rule of East Indian Company.
 
You can fill libraries what Brits did wrong to Indians
However, you can also fill libraries about the benefits Indians got from the rule of East Indian Company.

You can fill libraries with the benefits India would've got without the rule of the East India Company. Only one involves the systematic genocide of a people though.
 
You can fill libraries what Brits did wrong to Indians
However, you can also fill libraries about the benefits Indians got from the rule of East Indian Company.

You're at it again taking the pseudo contrarian position out of crypto intellectuality.

I have stopped arguing with apologists of colonialism with dozens of statistics on de-industrialization and so on (spoiler : building roads in parallel to de-industrialization is like breaking a man's legs then giving him "the chance" to run), so I generally limit myself to few lines which I think resumes everything.

If the history of British rule in India were to be condensed into a single fact, it is this : there was no increase in India's per capita income from 1757 to 1947. Indeed, in the last half of the nineteenth century, income probably declined by more than 50 percent. There was no economic development at all in the usual sense of the term.
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These dismal trends vindicate the often derided claim of nineteenth-century nationalists that British "Progress" was Indian ruin. Yet India's economic stagnation under the Raj has puzzling aspects. Where were the fruits of modernization, of the thousands of miles of railroad track and canal? And where were the profits of the great export booms that transformed the subcontinent's agriculture in the second half of the nineteenth century?

Mike Davis, "Late Victorian Holocausts", pp. 311-312
 
Same with Jules Verne, Five Weeks in a Balloon. It used to be the theme that anything non-European was barbaric and savage. I think it grew from an inferiority complex as most of these things tend to do.
 
For information purposes it's interesting, but is it of any relevance today? India has presumably moved on, although what direction has still to be established. Whatever is going on in Iraq or Afghanistan is not really their problem.
 
You're at it again taking the pseudo contrarian position out of crypto intellectuality.

I have stopped arguing with apologists of colonialism with dozens of statistics on de-industrialization and so on (spoiler : building roads in parallel to de-industrialization is like breaking a man's legs then giving him "the chance" to run), so I generally limit myself to few lines which I think resumes everything.



Mike Davis, "Late Victorian Holocausts", pp. 311-312


Why should I be appologist in this case?
Do apologists say that one can fill libraries with the wrongdoings?

Let me start with that East India caused 10M deaths in bengal (which was one of the richest provinces in india at that time). And at that time, world population was significantly less.

But I cannot be one sided and ignore the (unintended mostly) benefits of the colonization.
 
[MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] said in a previous thread.

Every action has a reaction. Newton's third Law or something.

Whatever atrocities were committed, I am sure that they were purely a reaction to whatever the natives did first.
 
For information purposes it's interesting, but is it of any relevance today? India has presumably moved on, although what direction has still to be established. Whatever is going on in Iraq or Afghanistan is not really their problem.

I think it's important for the likes of Black Zero who believes everything was worth it because rail tracks were built.

History is also important which is why in UK schools were are taught about the World Wars and how the good defeated the bad. We were never taught such information as in the OP.
 
Will these past atrocities be the bond that will unite India and Pakistan?Will they realise that divided they suffer and together they are a super power?

United i mean united as allies.
 
Will these past atrocities be the bond that will unite India and Pakistan?Will they realise that divided they suffer and together they are a super power?

United i mean united as allies.

Im sure they would have but India seems to be continuing a similar tradition in Kashmir.
 
[MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] said in a previous thread.

Every action has a reaction. Newton's third Law or something.

Whatever atrocities were committed, I am sure that they were purely a reaction to whatever the natives did first.

In fact the author quotes an Indian journalist at the time who said something like "it's interesting that Indians don't shoot British civilians mistaking them for animal". He was, of course, sarcastic, because he knew the reason : the thing is that these peoples were shielded by "legalism", the same way an American drone operator can kill civilians at will and get away with it. In a French documentary there was a controversy some years ago because few French soldiers were not only bombing a village but making joke ("look, some children fresh meat", etc). Why do you think they can ? Because there's no law against them - in the same way a British colonial could "hunt" an Indian with the same ease as a tiger, buffalo, ... because through British colonialism that was the worth/value of a "native".

We're still waiting for a true "reaction" to that, but as a believer, I think that the suicide rates, abortions, mass immigration, ... are just that.

Will these past atrocities be the bond that will unite India and Pakistan?Will they realise that divided they suffer and together they are a super power?

United i mean united as allies.

There's too much ego. Ideally Afghans, Pakistanis, Indians, Iranians, Chinese, etc should be allies already. What they miss that what the British did in India was no different than what American do in Iraq and Afghanistan : it's the same "software", of which "we" are all "potential victims".

If there was no collaboration and exchange of culture in this part of the world, there would have been no Buddhism in China, no Islamic civilisation, etc, etc

Even if I'm 26 I don't bank on the current/my generation to change that equation, sadly.
 
Even if I'm 26 I don't bank on the current/my generation to change that equation, sadly.

You're just 26!?!

The vast knowledge about history that you possess and your impressive vocabulary made you seem like a much older person,to me.
 
You're just 26!?!

The vast knowledge about history that you possess and your impressive vocabulary made you seem like a much older person,to me.

@enkidu has the weirdest collection of books for his age. I think at that age it takes one good book and author to spark your curiosity and before you know it you're a specialist of sorts
 
Who should take credit that we are discussing this topic on a cricket centric forum?
 
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