"When they will come to India, we will show them" : Virat Kohli to teammates during New Zealand loss

[Aman]

If Kane or McCullum said this I would be ******. It's a pathetic loser's attitude to have.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

If Kane or McCullum said this I would be ******. It's a pathetic loser's attitude to have.

Rohit said the same to Steyn. It seems to be a mindset.

 

[Aman]

Kohli after losing the 2023 WC semi final to England -

" When they'll come to India for the all important Paytm odi trophy , we'll show them. "

Is there anyone outside Kohli fans who actually want him to continue? He's sending Indian cricket years back. Loser mentality on the field, two faced and can't get the balance right for his team. His tactics aren't anything great either.

 

[MP2011]

His dictatorship is pushing India years back.

Makes you really appreciate someone like Dhoni who actually led Indian cricket exceptionally well and had the results.

Kohli will never touch an inch of what Dhoni did for Indian cricket no matter how hard he tries, he just doesn't have the personality or leadership to do so. He's got more Ls coming in Aus and then then the big one with the WC at home. He will be forced out because he isn't the type to relinquish captaincy.

I know. Have said it before as well, we've already got whatever we could out of Kohli, the test captain. Kudos to him to start pace bowling culture in our team team, something which Dhoni could never do despite being our test captain for what 8 years?

However, Kohli the LoI captain is as useless as they come. Should've been sacked post our CT loss in '17. Thats how bad his decision was to field first in an ICC trophy final.

 

[Aman]

Rohit said the same to Steyn. It seems to be a mindset.

There's actually some defending this nonsense. If your captain said this, any fan should be ******.

You got your ***** kicked and you're talking about getting revenge at home?

What kind of attitude is that to have, that too for the number 1 ranked team in the world

That on top of his other antics and behavior which came out once his team really started to feel the heat.

 

[Aman]

The good thing is Kohli being Indian captain is that he handicaps the team and they never play at their full potential because he has no clue how to pick a balanced side nor is he effective on the field.

All he's good for is over the top celebrations which the ICC does nothing about and screaming Ben Stokes name every second ball.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

There's actually some defending this nonsense. If your captain said this, any fan should be ******.

You got your ***** kicked and you're talking about getting revenge at home?

What kind of attitude is that to have, that too for the number 1 ranked team in the world

That on top of his other antics and behavior which came out once his team really started to feel the heat.

I fully agree. This is very embarrassing for Kohli, ICC and India. The funny part is, Kohli didn't even get a slap on the wrist. The hypocrisy is insulting.

 

[MP2011]

As for Dhoni as a leader, he was a great captain for LoI formats, one of ATGs but a pathetic captain in tests. That we couldn't and didn't sack him post our 0-8 in '11-12, shows how spineless BCCI has been in front of really strong Indian cricketers.

 

[Aman]

I fully agree. This is very embarrassing for Kohli, ICC and India. The funny part is, Kohli didn't even get a slap on the wrist. The hypocrisy is insulting.

Dude Rabada actually got cited for his celebration of Root's wicket while Kohli is swearing at hte top of his lungs and being a massive idiot and he gets nothing. That's not including abusing the crowd. He really was embarrassing this Test but you know what they say about a person's true character being shown when under pressure.

It's laughable that the ICC haven't said anything about it. Kohli's behavior has been front page news here. This isn't psychological warfare or anything because the series is over and there's nothing to gain, he's just been that bad.

 

[Mamoon]

If Kane or McCullum said this I would be ******. It's a pathetic loser's attitude to have.

I would argue that NZ could do with a figure like him to spur them to greater heights. NZ have very talented and skilled cricketers, but they underachieve because of the “good guy” image.

It is a major reason why they always tend to lose to arrogant Australians even if there is little to separate between the two sides on paper.

Unlike the All Blacks, the Black Caps are too soft.

 

[MP2011]

The good thing is Kohli being Indian captain is that he handicaps the team and they never play at their full potential because he has no clue how to pick a balanced side nor is he effective on the field.

Had Gill been of any other nationality, he might have been a regular by now. But under Kohli, he has played just 2 international games and those 2 as well I believe, weren't under Kohli.

In the meanwhile, we've gone ahead and played every tom, dick and harry in our XIs but not Gill in any format for over an year now....

 

[Aman]

I would argue that NZ could do with a figure like him to spur them to greater heights. NZ have very talented and skilled cricketers, but they underachieve because of the “good guy” image.

It is a major reason why they always tend to lose to arrogant Australians even if there is little to separate between the two sides on paper.

Unlike the All Blacks, the Black Caps are too soft.

We've done quite well, remember this is the team that knocked a Kohli led team out of the WC in a game they were massive underdogs and have swept India at home in ODIs and Tests.

If Kohli was our captain we wouldn't have made the SFs, Kane's batting is hit and miss but he's million times a better leader than Kohli can ever hope to be.

 

[Aman]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] if Kohli was NZ captain he would have been forced out by the rest of the players.

It's not like the Indian players who are afraid of saying anything to Kohli because of the power he possess.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

I would argue that NZ could do with a figure like him to spur them to greater heights. NZ have very talented and skilled cricketers, but they underachieve because of the “good guy” image.

It is a major reason why they always tend to lose to arrogant Australians even if there is little to separate between the two sides on paper.

Unlike the All Blacks, the Black Caps are too soft.

The All Blacks have the same good guy attitude. It's the NZ way. It has never stopped them from winning 3 WCs. Here is a picture of their GOAT captain congratulating our captain for playing his 100th test, even after winning a brutal match. Their head coach, Hansen, would go to family dinner with the oppositions coach, Heyneke Meyer. They truly are good guys all-round.

 

[Mesozoic]

Is there anyone outside Kohli fans who actually want him to continue? He's sending Indian cricket years back. Loser mentality on the field, two faced and can't get the balance right for his team. His tactics aren't anything great either.

In tests, we don't have any better option. Rahane looked a good captain when given a chance, but his batting these days is tailender-esque. Pujara isn't captaincy material. So, we have to continue with him.

But in LOIs, many wanted Rohit to take over even before the WC. And now those noises have only grown in numbers and rightfully so. But we know how Indian cricket works. So, we have to be prepared for more disappointments coming our way.

 

[Hawkeye]

He's just a bit emotional.

Nothing wrong in admitting too that they're home track bullies, like all the other top Test teams today.

Aus loses in Asia
IND loses outside Asia (except one Aus fluke, no Smith/Warner)
Pak loses outside Asia (except England - just like IND does good in one SENA country)


So, all the major Test sides are pretty even today. Ignore the fake rankings.

You can rely on them to win their home Tests.

90% chance they'll lose their Tests overseas.

Kohli is getting all the stick because his team and even their media plus fans portrayed that team as some great team.

Heck, their coach even started comparisons with the great West Indies side.

And then the lame comparisons with the great Imran Khan Test side.

If you accept the reality that they're a great home track team, then there's nothing wrong in that.

There will always be some questions as they haven't beaten Pak in Asia and that competition likely can go in any direction. With Pak's rising pace attack, Pak looks to have the upper hand here.

Sadly both sides won't meet in near future.

 

[Mamoon]

The All Blacks have the same good guy attitude. It's the NZ way. It has never stopped them from winning 3 WCs. Here is a picture of their GOAT captain congratulating our captain for playing his 100th test, even after winning a brutal match. Their head coach, Hansen, would go to family dinner with the oppositions coach, Heyneke Meyer. They truly are good guys all-round.

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You can find a dozen such pictures of Kohli as well, and his attitude after losing the CT Final was exemplary.

The spoiled and arrogant brat was all praise for Pakistan, and even said in an interview later that some times you just have to be happy for the opposition who outplay you.

The point is that ABs are clearly more competitive, aggressive and arrogant. This arrogance is often derived by success. I don’t think it is possibly to the best in the world without a tinge of arrogance.

Maybe the BCs don’t think they can be the best, bud unfortunately they need a bit of arrogance to be the best.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION]

You are not doing well. When was the last time you were number 1 in any format and how many World Cups have you won?

And if a captain like Kohli would get sacked in NZ, then it says more about the meek culture of NZ cricketer rather than the attitude of a Kohli-like captain.

NZ cricket needs to set loftier aims and not settle for minimal success because they are a small country.

Pakistan is the second biggest cricket country and still awful.

 

[Aman]

You can find a dozen such pictures of Kohli as well, and his attitude after losing the CT Final was exemplary.

The spoiled and arrogant brat was all praise for Pakistan, and even said in an interview later that some times you just have to be happy for the opposition who outplay you.

The point is that ABs are clearly more competitive, aggressive and arrogant. This arrogance is often derived by success. I don’t think it is possibly to the best in the world without a tinge of arrogance.

Maybe the BCs don’t think they can be the best, bud unfortunately they need a bit of arrogance to be the best.

Please don't speak on something you don't know anything about.

The ABs are as far from arrogant as it gets, their humility and class is something they're reknown for. ABs are famous for their team culture and have none of the super star drama a lot of successful teams have.

 

[Aman]

[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION]

You are not doing well. When was the last time you were number 1 in any format and how many World Cups have you won?

And if a captain like Kohli would get sacked in NZ, then it says more about the meek culture of NZ cricketer rather than the attitude of a Kohli-like captain.

NZ cricket needs to set loftier aims and not settle for minimal success because they are a small country.

Pakistan is the second biggest cricket country and still awful.

We were number 1 in T20s a few years ago and we would be world champions right now if it weren't for bad luck and dumb rules.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Lol India can win series in India even without any captain. Kohli is a great batsman but hasn't achieved anything special in LOI's as a captain.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Did anyone watch his Press Conference after the match? Can never imagine Sachin/Dravid acting like that.

 

[Robert]

He is not dealing with pressure well. Tendulkar was more gentlemanly and statesmanlike.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

He is not dealing with pressure well. Tendulkar was more gentlemanly and statesmanlike.

He is lucky that he didn't play in Sachin's era.

 

[Mobashir]

You can find a dozen such pictures of Kohli as well, and his attitude after losing the CT Final was exemplary.

The spoiled and arrogant brat was all praise for Pakistan, and even said in an interview later that some times you just have to be happy for the opposition who outplay you.

The point is that ABs are clearly more competitive, aggressive and arrogant. This arrogance is often derived by success. I don’t think it is possibly to the best in the world without a tinge of arrogance.

Maybe the BCs don’t think they can be the best, bud unfortunately they need a bit of arrogance to be the best.

What have you to say about his (Kohli's) comment in itself?
Maybe I have missed your point if view on it?

 

[Rellu_Katta]

I didnot expect that from Kholi.... I always hated him ( as an opposition) but loved him for his cricket and passion but this statement, he has lost all his respect....

i dont know how indian fans would react to this, and how that garbage human (the sorry insecure inferiority complex guy) would live after this, but litrally, the worst possible statement a captain could give ...

track it back to a WI tour that Imran Khan did with a very young Wasim Akram and Imran asked Wasim to go harrdddd at ViV Richard and when Viv came back, Imran asked Wasim to fight his own fights

A true leader vs a coward ... unfortunate to see kholi fall down to this level

 

[tyron_woodley]

He's just a bit emotional.

Nothing wrong in admitting too that they're home track bullies, like all the other top Test teams today.

Aus loses in Asia
IND loses outside Asia (except one Aus fluke, no Smith/Warner)
Pak loses outside Asia (except England - just like IND does good in one SENA country)


So, all the major Test sides are pretty even today. Ignore the fake rankings.

You can rely on them to win their home Tests.

90% chance they'll lose their Tests overseas.

Kohli is getting all the stick because his team and even their media plus fans portrayed that team as some great team.

Heck, their coach even started comparisons with the great West Indies side.

And then the lame comparisons with the great Imran Khan Test side.

If you accept the reality that they're a great home track team, then there's nothing wrong in that.

There will always be some questions as they haven't beaten Pak in Asia and that competition likely can go in any direction. With Pak's rising pace attack, Pak looks to have the upper hand here.

Sadly both sides won't meet in near future.

shut it with your ridiculous drivel about imran khan's team being the best Asian team of all time with his 14 wins and 50 thousand draws. They aren't. Deal with it or go cry to your mumma. There are only 2 great Asian teams.

Virat's india for being GOAT home bullies.

india of 2005-2011 are the GOAT Asian travelling team.

 

[Mamoon]

Please don't speak on something you don't know anything about.

The ABs are as far from arrogant as it gets, their humility and class is something they're reknown for. ABs are famous for their team culture and have none of the super star drama a lot of successful teams have.

Look, I will not argue with your on ABs. You are a New Zealander and you know more rugby than me. If you say that the ABs also play the good guy act then perhaps you are right.

However, I know cricket and I can see that the root-cause of NZ underachieving in spite of having some top quality cricketers is largely down to their meek attitude.

Over the last 15-20 years, you have even achieved less than Pakistan. Don’t worry about sacking a captain like Kohli because NZ does not have the capacity to produce a player and a character like him unless it changes its culture.

If you are happy with your gracious losers then so be it.

 

[Mamoon]

What have you to say about his (Kohli's) comment in itself?
Maybe I have missed your point if view on it?

As the greatest Asian Test captain of all time, he should not have made this comment. It is indeed true that his team is invincible at home, but he should not be satisfied with simply being the GOAT Asian Test team. He needs to aim higher.

I am sure that is actually the case and he made this comment out of disappointment over losing to an inferior side. He is probably not proud of what he said.

Nevertheless, he is an emotional player and these emotions have helped him become the giant that he is today. You have to take the good with the bad. I would have rather him a captain like him lead Pakistan than a robot like Williamson.

 

[Hawkeye]

shut it with your ridiculous drivel about imran khan's team being the best Asian team of all time with his 14 wins and 50 thousand draws. They aren't. Deal with it or go cry to your mumma. There are only 2 great Asian teams.

Virat's india for being GOAT home bullies.

india of 2005-2011 are the GOAT Asian travelling team.

Throwing a tantrum like that only shows your cricketing IQ.

Imran's team is in contention for being THE GOAT Test team, let alone being the greatest from Asia.

Deal with it.

 

[Aman]

As the greatest Asian Test captain of all time, he should not have made this comment. It is indeed true that his team is invincible at home, but he should not be satisfied with simply being the GOAT Asian Test team. He needs to aim higher.

I am sure that is actually the case and he made this comment out of disappointment over losing to an inferior side. He is probably not proud of what he said.

Nevertheless, he is an emotional player and these emotions have helped him become the giant that he is today. You have to take the good with the bad. I would have rather him a captain like him lead Pakistan than a robot like Williamson.

Unlike Kohli, Kane is actually a leader.

There's a reason why he led an inferior team to a WC Final and would be world champions right now if it weren't down for some of the dumbest rules in cricket history.

 

[Mesozoic]

Imran's team is in contention for being THE GOAT Test team, let alone being the greatest from Asia.

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I mean how ?

He has a grand total of one series win outside Pakistan. Couldn't win even against a below average Indian side and a minnow level Sri Lankan team. Got thrashed in Australia.

Lol at being the GOAT Asian team let alone the GOAT test team. Indian team of 2007-11 is the undisputed GOAT Asian test team.

Deal with it .

 

[Mamoon]

Unlike Kohli, Kane is actually a leader.

There's a reason why he led an inferior team to a WC Final and would be world champions right now if it weren't down for some of the dumbest rules in cricket history.

Kohli is only behind 3 captains in history when it comes to winning Test matches. By the time he is done, he will overtake G. Smith as the most prolific Test captain of all time by no of wins.

I would rather be led by a non-leader like Kohli who can take keep my team to the top of the Test rankings for 4 years and counting, rather than be led by a gentlemen “leader” like Williamson who isn’t half the player Kohli is and will never take NZ to the top of the Test rankings.

It appears that New Zealand fans, like Pakistani fans, have embraced mediocrity.

 

[Aman]

Kohli is only behind 3 captains in history when it comes to winning Test matches. By the time he is done, he will overtake G. Smith as the most prolific Test captain of all time by no of wins.

I would rather be led by a non-leader like Kohli who can take keep my team to the top of the Test rankings for 4 years and counting, rather than be led by a gentlemen “leader” like Williamson who isn’t half the player Kohli is and will never take NZ to the top of the Test rankings.

It appears that New Zealand fans, like Pakistani fans, have embraced mediocrity.

What medicority are you on about? NZ fans are realistic of their ability.

2015 we had a good team but ran into a better team in their home conditions, 2019 we were in awful touch and yet never lost the Final. Really lost the WC because of bad luck and the ICC's incompetence.

 

[Aman]

Usually passion and emotion spurs teams, but all Kohli's passion and emotion has brought him is big time Ls. He's got plenty of that but he's a child. No one follows an overgrown child into battle or truly buys in.

Those Ls are likely to continue against a full strength Aus team, the WT20 and the big grand daddy at home which will likely result in him being kicked to the curb.

 

[TalhaSyed]

It's fascinating to see someone who handles the pressure so well with the bat, completely unable to handle it as a captain/leader.

 

[Aman]

It's fascinating to see someone who handles the pressure so well with the bat, completely unable to handle it as a captain/leader.

Some desis think this is leadership when to normal people it comes off really petty and weak.

India aren't going to go far if they have someone with this attitude leading them. Imagine an Aussie or SA captain saying something like this to his team? Their media and public would have eaten them alive.

 

[Noman]

It's fascinating to see someone who handles the pressure so well with the bat, completely unable to handle it as a captain/leader.

It is - Kholi is all heart. People are jealous because of his succes and really like it when he fails

 

[Rana]

[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION]

You are not doing well. When was the last time you were number 1 in any format and how many World Cups have you won?

And if a captain like Kohli would get sacked in NZ, then it says more about the meek culture of NZ cricketer rather than the attitude of a Kohli-like captain.

NZ cricket needs to set loftier aims and not settle for minimal success because they are a small country.

Pakistan is the second biggest cricket country and still awful.

Why are you bringing the World Cup argument into this when you yourself have no value for World Cups?

Pakistan is a 1 time WC winner, yet you would argue that Pakistan has lost all important matches to Bangladesh in recent history (ignoring the Wc 2019 win).

 

[Mamoon]

Usually passion and emotion spurs teams, but all Kohli's passion and emotion has brought him is big time Ls. He's got plenty of that but he's a child. No one follows an overgrown child into battle or truly buys in.

Those Ls are likely to continue against a full strength Aus team, the WT20 and the big grand daddy at home which will likely result in him being kicked to the curb.

Kohli’s passion and emotion has spurred his team to the number 1 ranking in Tests for 4 years and counting.

It has helped him become one of the greatest Test captains ever. In spite of 5-6 years left, he is only behind 2-3 captains in terms of number of wins and W/L ratio.

By the time he is done, he will have more Test wins than any captain in history.

Every team would love a captain like him. He is a fierce competitor and a born winner. Maybe New Zealand wouldn’t want someone like him because they would rather lose nicely than win arrogantly.

 

[Mamoon]

Why are you bringing the World Cup argument into this when you yourself have no value for World Cups?

Pakistan is a 1 time WC winner, yet you would argue that Pakistan has lost all important matches to Bangladesh in recent history (ignoring the Wc 2019 win).

Pakistan historically is a bigger and better team than New Zealand. Not sure what your point is.

 

[Mamoon]

Some desis think this is leadership when to normal people it comes off really petty and weak.

India aren't going to go far if they have someone with this attitude leading them. Imagine an Aussie or SA captain saying something like this to his team? Their media and public would have eaten them alive.

They have already gone far. This is one of the longest reigns as number 1 in history.

Kohli took a weak Indian Test team that was ranked 6th/7th with a poor bowling attack, and took them to number 1 and is now only behind 2-3 captains in terms of number of wins and W/L ratio.

This is what you call great leadership, not smiling in defeat and applauding the opposition.

 

[andy0204]

Doctor sahab itna jazbaa kahase laate ho aap,tablet dijiye zara humko.

 

[Aman]

They have already gone far. This is one of the longest reigns as number 1 in history.

Kohli took a weak Indian Test team that was ranked 6th/7th with a poor bowling attack, and took them to number 1 and is now only behind 2-3 captains in terms of number of wins and W/L ratio.

This is what you call great leadership, not smiling in defeat and applauding the opposition.

Congrats to being world number 1 in a world where majority of the teams boards are reluctant to play Test cricket.

 

[TalhaSyed]

It is - Kholi is all heart. People are jealous because of his succes and really like it when he fails

Some desis think this is leadership when to normal people it comes off really petty and weak.

India aren't going to go far if they have someone with this attitude leading them. Imagine an Aussie or SA captain saying something like this to his team? Their media and public would have eaten them alive.

Yea in my opinion from a Sports Phycology point of view it's really interesting.

I am no expert but I think Kohli is someone who is - rightfully - extremely confident in his batting ability and is, therefore, able to keep his composure and stay calm when batting in high-pressure situations.

However, his outburst against the journalists, outbursts against the crowds and now petty comments like this really highlight his insecurities he has when it comes to captaincy and leadership. As a captain, he is really struggling to handle the pressure when the going gets tough.

 

[Aman]

They have already gone far. This is one of the longest reigns as number 1 in history.

Kohli took a weak Indian Test team that was ranked 6th/7th with a poor bowling attack, and took them to number 1 and is now only behind 2-3 captains in terms of number of wins and W/L ratio.

This is what you call great leadership, not smiling in defeat and applauding the opposition.

You're going about Test rankings lol.

Test rankings mean little given the state of teams for the past 4-5 years. Aus will take that ranking from India soon enough regardless.

India were fortunate to hold that ranking that long because of performances at home and Aus banning their two best players otherwise they would have got to #1 earlier. It's kinda like Kohli getting to #1 in the Test rankings because Smith was banned, a few months after he returned he regained his #1 ranking.

 

[Danyaalr01]

Look, I will not argue with your on ABs. You are a New Zealander and you know more rugby than me. If you say that the ABs also play the good guy act then perhaps you are right.

However, I know cricket and I can see that the root-cause of NZ underachieving in spite of having some top quality cricketers is largely down to their meek attitude.

Over the last 15-20 years, you have even achieved less than Pakistan. Don’t worry about sacking a captain like Kohli because NZ does not have the capacity to produce a player and a character like him unless it changes its culture.

If you are happy with your gracious losers then so be it.

Maybe it's not an act. Being nice is just part of our culture and is deeply entrenched into our society. Being aggressive just isn't the kiwi way.

 

[Aman]

It's funny that Mamoon's barometer for success is rankings for a format which are heavily favored towards Aus, India and England.

I'm sure that most Indian's have that 2019 SF etched into their minds and not however long they've been #1 given how weak they are outside India.

The other teams do not play enough Test cricket, most of it is against each other and when they get a rare tour to Aus, India or Eng they're easy pickings due to the lack of Test cricket and tours to those countries.

 

[Aman]

I hope Kohli is captain in 2023, it will ensure India's balance is off and they're carrying players who have no right to be in the XI.

Kohli is allowing the rest of the world to see a sub optimal Indian team.

 

[Mamoon]

Congrats to being world number 1 in a world where majority of the teams boards are reluctant to play Test cricket.

You're going about Test rankings lol.

Test rankings mean little given the state of teams for the past 4-5 years. Aus will take that ranking from India soon enough regardless.

India were fortunate to hold that ranking that long because of performances at home and Aus banning their two best players otherwise they would have got to #1 earlier. It's kinda like Kohli getting to #1 in the Test rankings because Smith was banned, a few months after he returned he regained his #1 ranking.

It's funny that Mamoon's barometer for success is rankings for a format which are heavily favored towards Aus, India and England.

I'm sure that most Indian's have that 2019 SF etched into their minds and not however long they've been #1 given how weak they are outside India.

The other teams do not play enough Test cricket, most of it is against each other and when they get a rare tour to Aus, India or Eng they're easy pickings due to the lack of Test cricket and tours to those countries.

Summary: the format where India and Kohli are doing better than others is irrelevant.

 

[Aman]

Summary: the format where India and Kohli are doing better than others is irrelevant.

Are we going to act like everyone plays the same amount of Test cricket - especially quality cricket.
That's bull jive and we all know it.

India are purely #1 because of what they've achieved at home and external factors such as Aus banning their two best players or they would have lost that ranking a couple of years ago.

The formats where things are more balanced, India are just another team, not even a top team tbh.

 

[Rudi hater]

Kohli is a meathead, he would never mature till may be he is in his 70s then it will be too late. He uses gutter language not a good advert for Indians I am afraid. India got thrashed by a better side full stop.

 

[Pakhs]

[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION]

You are not doing well. When was the last time you were number 1 in any format and how many World Cups have you won?

And if a captain like Kohli would get sacked in NZ, then it says more about the meek culture of NZ cricketer rather than the attitude of a Kohli-like captain.

NZ cricket needs to set loftier aims and not settle for minimal success because they are a small country.

Pakistan is the second biggest cricket country and still awful.

Stop your hero worshipping - NZ is smaller than Mumbai alone and its not even their No.1 sport and have just whitewashed India and reduced their captain to this LOL. They are doing far better than India in every measure in this World.

 

[silentkiller187]

Are we going to act like everyone plays the same amount of Test cricket - especially quality cricket.
That's bull jive and we all know it.

India are purely #1 because of what they've achieved at home and external factors such as Aus banning their two best players or they would have lost that ranking a couple of years ago.

The formats where things are more balanced, India are just another team, not even a top team tbh.

Just like Pakistan were number 1 because of their flukey wins in UAE (Home) . But certain posters love to bring up certain facts only when it suites their agenda. I totally agree in formats like t20 were there is a more even playing field even with home conditions, india are not the best side. That is the different between ATG sides like australia who would have comfortably dominated all formats including t20 if it was around in that era. India is a good team but not full of legends and gods as some would have you believe, i actually don't think the gulf between pak and india is that huge, even though we are the worst team ever to play the game.

 

[tyron_woodley]

You're going about Test rankings lol.

Test rankings mean little given the state of teams for the past 4-5 years. Aus will take that ranking from India soon enough regardless.

India were fortunate to hold that ranking that long because of performances at home and Aus banning their two best players otherwise they would have got to #1 earlier. It's kinda like Kohli getting to #1 in the Test rankings because Smith was banned, a few months after he returned he regained his #1 ranking.

yea because india will just bend over and let aussu3s dominate india at home. rofl. india will spank them at home.

Until they beat india in India they aint no number 1.


They did all the practice they could, even borrowed some soil and toiled hard in u.a e. Still with smith and warner got their was kicked by india in 2016.

 

[Saurav]

I again ask,any video of the incident?

Otherwise its just fake news

 

[Junaids]

yea because india will just bend over and let aussu3s dominate india at home. rofl. india will spank them at home.

Until they beat india in India they aint no number 1.


They did all the practice they could, even borrowed some soil and toiled hard in u.a e. Still with smith and warner got their was kicked by india in 2016.

To be precise, whoever wins the World Test Championship Final at Lords with a Dukes Ball in 15 months will be Number 1.

If Kohli keeps on with this self-pitying “they have to beat us in India” message he basically ensures that the Aussies or Kiwis are even more overwhelmingly likely to win the Final against India.

The World has changed. The rankings are dead - all that counts is the World Test Championship.

 

[Junaids]

They have already gone far. This is one of the longest reigns as number 1 in history.

Kohli took a weak Indian Test team that was ranked 6th/7th with a poor bowling attack, and took them to number 1 and is now only behind 2-3 captains in terms of number of wins and W/L ratio.

This is what you call great leadership, not smiling in defeat and applauding the opposition.

To be precise......

As you say, Kohli inherited an India team with poor bowlers - Ishant, Shami, Yadav and Ashwin.

What you forgot to write is that his Trevor Bayliss-style “positive intent” culture has reduced the batting to a joke, while Bumrah has lifted the bowling from “trash” level to “mediocre”.

India has failed to develop at all outside Asia. They are a bunch of flat-track bullies who think they are better than they are because they beat a demoralised and under strength Australia which had just managed to lose to Bilal Asif and Pakistan.

 

[Slog]

I would argue that NZ could do with a figure like him to spur them to greater heights. NZ have very talented and skilled cricketers, but they underachieve because of the “good guy” image.

It is a major reason why they always tend to lose to arrogant Australians even if there is little to separate between the two sides on paper.

Unlike the All Blacks, the Black Caps are too soft.

How would a loser and defeatist attitude like Kohli has here spur NZ to greater heights?

 

[Junaids]

Kohli’s passion and emotion has spurred his team to the number 1 ranking in Tests for 4 years and counting.

It has helped him become one of the greatest Test captains ever. In spite of 5-6 years left, he is only behind 2-3 captains in terms of number of wins and W/L ratio.

By the time he is done, he will have more Test wins than any captain in history.

Every team would love a captain like him. He is a fierce competitor and a born winner. Maybe New Zealand wouldn’t want someone like him because they would rather lose nicely than win arrogantly.

No.

India, as I wrote in 2015, was one of six equals along with Australia, England, New Zealand, South Africa and Pakistan.

Australia lost Smith and Warner.

England lost Cook having just lost Swann and Pietersen and Trott and Prior.

South Africa lost De Villiers and Morkel and Steyn.

Pakistan lost Younis and Misbah and Yasir lost form.

All that has happened is that India and NZ are only ageing now, whereas the other four equals had older teams and entered a transitional phase earlier.

 

[Ab Fan]

No.

India, as I wrote in 2015, was one of six equals along with Australia, England, New Zealand, South Africa and Pakistan.

Australia lost Smith and Warner.

England lost Cook having just lost Swann and Pietersen and Trott and Prior.

South Africa lost De Villiers and Morkel and Steyn.

Pakistan lost Younis and Misbah and Yasir lost form.

All that has happened is that India and NZ are only ageing now, whereas the other four equals had older teams and entered a transitional phase earlier.

Australia lost Smith and Warner after 2015?? What are you saying man? At that time, they lost Clarke and MJ and S.W actually hit the peak. S.W weren't there only for 1 year.

 

[Mamoon]

How would a loser and defeatist attitude like Kohli has here spur NZ to greater heights?

A loser and defeatist attitude does not give you 20,000+ runs and 70 international hundreds by the age of 31, nor does it help you win 33 Test matches as captain.

Simply put, you cannot be one of the greatest of all time in any sport with a loser or a defeatist attitude.

Kohli is very much like Ronaldo - very fierce competitor, obsessed with being the best and will throw tantrums out of sheer disappointment when things don’t go his way.

You call it loser attitude but I call it extreme hatred for losing. A personality like him (with his individual quality) would definitely stir things up for New Zealand cricket.

I don’t think they can fulfill their true potential in cricket until they shed their good guy image.

 

[minamino]

This is an overreaction tbh. People say a lot of things when they are losing and trying to motivate the team. People here are acting as if he has committed a crime.

 

[khan_aa]

I would argue that NZ could do with a figure like him to spur them to greater heights. NZ have very talented and skilled cricketers, but they underachieve because of the “good guy” image.

It is a major reason why they always tend to lose to arrogant Australians even if there is little to separate between the two sides on paper.

Unlike the All Blacks, the Black Caps are too soft.

It’s interesting you call them underachievers, when they are a nation that punches way above their weight.

They just decimated India yet they are soft. Interesting.

Please seek help. You are unable to distinguish between hard fair play and clown behavior.

They should have won the WC final. It was a bad call that went against them. Please don’t call them soft. They beat India in SF comprehensively as well by playing smart cricket on a tricky pitch and setting a score then bowling their top order out for 3. Definitely not underachievers, quite the opposite actually.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

I agree with you, it is very easily to devalue the achievements of any team.

Let me do it for the GOAT Asian Test team led by Imran Khan who won a Mickey Mouse total of 14 Test wins and 3 matches outside Asia.

They basically lucked out on the following factors:

- Australia were at their lowest ebb in the 80s

- India were struggling after the retirement of the quartet

- South Africa were banned

So basically, it was a weak that just got lucky. Now please name any successful team and I will do the same for them.

 

[Mamoon]

It’s interesting you call them underachievers, when they are a nation that punches way above their weight.

They just decimated India yet they are soft. Interesting.

Please seek help. You are unable to distinguish between hard fair play and clown behavior.

They should have won the WC final. It was a bad call that went against them. Please don’t call them soft. They beat India in SF comprehensively as well by playing smart cricket on a tricky pitch and setting a score then bowling their top order out for 3. Definitely not underachievers, quite the opposite actually.

When New Zealand decimate teams at home, we sing their songs. When India decimate teams at home, they are home bullies.

New Zealand are definitely underachievers. They have had the talent and quality of players to achieve greater things but they always fall short.

Also, let’s not talk about the World Cup. The same Pakistani fans who threw tantrums and called New Zealand “lucky” for qualifying for the semifinals at Pakistan’s expense due to NRR ended up calling New Zealand “unlucky” after the final.

New Zealand were not lucky or unlucky. They got what they deserved. They deserved to make the semifinals but not win the World Cup.

 

[Mobashir]

Yea in my opinion from a Sports Phycology point of view it's really interesting.

I am no expert but I think Kohli is someone who is - rightfully - extremely confident in his batting ability and is, therefore, able to keep his composure and stay calm when batting in high-pressure situations.

However, his outburst against the journalists, outbursts against the crowds and now petty comments like this really highlight his insecurities he has when it comes to captaincy and leadership. As a captain, he is really struggling to handle the pressure when the going gets tough.

Kohli loose it under pressure even in batting. That's why he fails in world cup knocks out and even in general his world cup record is quite inferior to other players of the same generation.

Even in test cricket, you can see the high number of 200/300 chases he has failed in. Never he has chased successfully in test cricket.

Chasing 300+ with hundred from either Sharma or Dhawan or both on batting tracks against mediocre bowling attacks is not performing under pressure.

 

[Junaids]

Bottom line remains.

The World Test Chanpionship Final will be at Lords, with a Dukes Ball.

Comments like Kohli’s really won’t help India.

In the last five English summers:

Australia have Won 4 Lost 5 Tests in England.

Pakistan have Won 3 Lost 3 Tests in England.

New Zealand have Won 1 Lost 1 Test in England.

India have Won 2 Lost 7 Tests in England.

 

[TeamPak95]

This kinda reminds me of when Sehwag responded to a question, regarding the whitewash India received vs Aus in 2011 as well as the whitewash vs England before that, with 'We also won 2-0 in India'.

 

[Slog]

A loser and defeatist attitude does not give you 20,000+ runs and 70 international hundreds by the age of 31, nor does it help you win 33 Test matches as captain.

Simply put, you cannot be one of the greatest of all time in any sport with a loser or a defeatist attitude.

Kohli is very much like Ronaldo - very fierce competitor, obsessed with being the best and will throw tantrums out of sheer disappointment when things don’t go his way.

You call it loser attitude but I call it extreme hatred for losing. A personality like him (with his individual quality) would definitely stir things up for New Zealand cricket.

I don’t think they can fulfill their true potential in cricket until they shed their good guy image.

I call it so because this is defeatist attitude when you can't aim to win unless conditions are favorable and familiar to you.

I am not saying Kohli has this attitude always but in this case it definitely is so.

Cannot ever imagine Ronaldo saying to an opposition let us get back to Bernebeau or Juventus Stadium and then I'll show you so the comparison doesn't nold

 

[Aman]

I call it so because this is defeatist attitude when you can't aim to win unless conditions are favorable and familiar to you.

I am not saying Kohli has this attitude always but in this case it definitely is so.

Cannot ever imagine Ronaldo saying to an opposition let us get back to Bernebeau or Juventus Stadium and then I'll show you so the comparison doesn't nold

Don't bother this guy likes arguing for the sake of arguing and does not see reason.

He's set in his mind about Kohli and will do anything and everything to defend him even when Kohli is in the wrong and taking Ls left and right and his own countrymen want him gone.

 

[Aman]

I call it so because this is defeatist attitude when you can't aim to win unless conditions are favorable and familiar to you.

I am not saying Kohli has this attitude always but in this case it definitely is so.

Cannot ever imagine Ronaldo saying to an opposition let us get back to Bernebeau or Juventus Stadium and then I'll show you so the comparison doesn't nold

Ronaldo would throw his teammates under the bus to deflect blame from himself. He's actually done that several times in the past. So atleast Kohli isn't that bad.

Both are similar in that they have great work ethics but both are PR robots whose true self shows when under the pump.

 

[MenInG]

Former India batsman VVS Laxman believes India must confront the glaring issues which came to light during the 0-2 loss in the Test series against New Zealand, saying he was glad to see skipper Virat Kohli accepting the defeat instead of offering excuses. A blatant Kohli opened up on India’s loss, taking its responsibility and accepting that his unit was outperformed by a better team, although India don’t believe New Zealand is their bogey team.

India’s next Test series is a long time away and Laxman has warned the side to address the batting of they are to succeed in Australia during the year end.

“It was refreshing to hear Virat Kohli offer no excuses for the 2-0 loss in New Zealand and stress on acceptance of the outcome, but I hope India do address the issues that hurt them badly in probably one of their worst overseas outings of late,” Laxman wrote in his column for Times of India. “The next Test series isn’t until December, so the temptation to write this off as a one-off could be overwhelming. But if India wants to avoid a repeat of this display in Australia later in the year, they can’t afford to gloss over what transpired in New Zealand.”

Of all aspects, batting remained India’s biggest letdown with the team crossing 200 just once in four innings. Alarmingly, the batting collapsed in all the four innings with the Indian batsmen struggling to cope the swing. Laxman said that although conditions weren’t easy to bat, there should have been better application shown by India’s batsmen.

“I am sure the batting group would be hurting, especially, since they take a lot of pride in preparation but were caught napping by New Zealand’s game-plans for two Test matches in a row.” Laxman said. “I agree the conditions were tricky and challenging, but that’s no reason why there shouldn’t have been a greater application from the batsmen. New Zealand’s plans were straightforward enough to get swing with the new ball and make use of the lateral movement and, should that fail to produce wickets, to resort to the liberal use of the short ball.

“The other aspect that stood out was a repetition of mistakes from the same batsmen. Virat was trapped leg before to the ball coming in twice in the second Test, Mayank Agarwal fell in similar fashion in both innings in Christchurch to Trent Boult’s inswingers, Prithvi Shaw was cramped up and dismissed fending balls following him in the second innings of both Tests. Test cricket is an unforgiving cauldron where there is no room for tentativeness. India’s technical and mental frailties were badly exposed by a New Zealand side that looked out for the count during the T20s, but that knows how to win at home better than most other teams.”

Laxman explained how Ajinkya Rahane’s struggle in the second innings of the Christchurch best highlighted India’s find in tough grappling with New Zealand’s bowlers. Rahane found himself battling against the likes of Neil Wager and Co, often ending up dazed against the bouncers. Losing patience, Rahane played an off shot to get out for a painstaking 43-ball 9.

“Ajinkya Rahane’s tortured stint in the second innings in Christchurch best illustrated India’s confusion. For an experienced and accomplished batsman who has scored runs all around the world, Rahane seemed all at sea against Neil Wagner and Kyle Jamieson’s short-ball barrage, and tried to hit his way out of trouble. On that surface, it was a method never designed to succeed,” he said.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...i-offer-no-excuses-for-loss-vvs-laxman-920397

 

[Robert]

To be precise......

As you say, Kohli inherited an India team with poor bowlers - Ishant, Shami, Yadav and Ashwin.

What you forgot to write is that his Trevor Bayliss-style “positive intent” culture has reduced the batting to a joke, while Bumrah has lifted the bowling from “trash” level to “mediocre”.

India has failed to develop at all outside Asia. They are a bunch of flat-track bullies who think they are better than they are because they beat a demoralised and under strength Australia which had just managed to lose to Bilal Asif and Pakistan.

You’re coming in off your long run today.....

 

[Babu Bhaiya]

As someone asked for a proof above..

Can somebody post a video or a link where Kohli has been heard saying this? I searched for it and couldn’t find anything. Surely there must be some video if he is heard by people saying whatever he said.

All i can see is some articles in this thread and endless rant of this Aman Guy.

 

[Junaids]

You’re coming in off your long run today.....

India really frustrate me.

They chop and change when they need stability.

They fail to arrive and play enough red ball cricket before Test series outside Asia start.

They reduce Test cricket to a Win or Lose scenario, so they endlessly lose Tests they should draw by chasing targets like 450 or 500 when they need to just bat out time.

The lack of preparation means the quicks always waste their potential by bowling too short (apart from Ishant). And Kohli’s “positive intent” nonsense means the batsmen never survive 80 overs.

And then, after all this, a team which could be world beaters (but which loses so often that if it was a racehorse it would have been euthanised and turned into dogfood) fails to accept that its endless away defeats outweigh cheap home wins and they consider themselves to be bona fide champions.

They remind me of a boxer who has won 40 fights on home turf against Mexican Roadsweepers but also lost 5 against decent fighters, whose victories make him Number One contender for a World Title. Then they have to face a proper boxer and surprise surprise, now it’s 6 defeats.

I don’t know why Kohli and Indian fans don’t understand that you get your legacy from difficult away performances. The England of a decade ago is fondly remembered by us for winning an Ashes in Australia and an away Test series in India. I don’t measure them by what Jimmy did to the opposition at an overcast Edgbaston with a Dukes Ball. It was all about those away victories, and it ended when we lost to Mitchell Johnson in Australia the following time.

 

[Ahmed216]

He thinks he's bigger than the game thts why he gets humiliated in tournament knock outs

 

[Robert]

India really frustrate me.

They chop and change when they need stability.

They fail to arrive and play enough red ball cricket before Test series outside Asia start.

They reduce Test cricket to a Win or Lose scenario, so they endlessly lose Tests they should draw by chasing targets like 450 or 500 when they need to just bat out time.

The lack of preparation means the quicks always waste their potential by bowling too short (apart from Ishant). And Kohli’s “positive intent” nonsense means the batsmen never survive 80 overs.

And then, after all this, a team which could be world beaters (but which loses so often that if it was a racehorse it would have been euthanised and turned into dogfood) fails to accept that its endless away defeats outweigh cheap home wins and they consider themselves to be bona fide champions.

They remind me of a boxer who has won 40 fights on home turf against Mexican Roadsweepers but also lost 5 against decent fighters, whose victories make him Number One contender for a World Title. Then they have to face a proper boxer and surprise surprise, now it’s 6 defeats.

I don’t know why Kohli and Indian fans don’t understand that you get your legacy from difficult away performances. The England of a decade ago is fondly remembered by us for winning an Ashes in Australia and an away Test series in India. I don’t measure them by what Jimmy did to the opposition at an overcast Edgbaston with a Dukes Ball. It was all about those away victories, and it ended when we lost to Mitchell Johnson in Australia the following time.

Right.

India has always been aggressive in chasing totals, which made them attractive to watch and they always seemed like good eggs too. But they seem to have lost professionalism and gained a sulky arrogance. I’d much prefer Kapil’s team of 1986 who came and beat a side featuring the three Gs to the crew who lost 1-4 to a very weak England side. The eighties mob were more humble but they knew how to bat outside India.

 

[Junaids]

Right.

India has always been aggressive in chasing totals, which made them attractive to watch and they always seemed like good eggs too. But they seem to have lost professionalism and gained a sulky arrogance. I’d much prefer Kapil’s team of 1986 who came and beat a side featuring the three Gs to the crew who lost 1-4 to a very weak England side. The eighties mob were more humble but they knew how to bat outside India.

This is why I keep arguing that Kapil Dev and Jimmy Amarnath need to take Kohli behind the pavilion and knock some sense into him.

Kohli keeps losing because his batting gets out in less than 70 overs in Australia, England, New Zealand and South Africa.

They need to take less risks, leave more balls outside off-stump, duck under the bouncers and slow the scoring rate.

They need to be 340 all out in 110 overs instead of 220 all out in 65 overs.

But so many misguided people lionise Kohli for his mountain of cheap and meaningless home victories that he feels like he has achieved something. We see that India are first amongst equals in a really really weak era, and that if you beat an opponent 4-0 at home and then lose 2-0 away you are a deeply flawed team with no legacy.

But India’s fans don’t appear to see this. They just say “we win twice as many as we lose”.

And Kohli, bizarrely, has come to the opposite conclusion from Imran Khan in 1986.

In reality, outside Asia, both need to do the same thing.

1. Discard the flamboyant - and risky - strokeplayers like Shaw and Pant.

2. Shorten the tail by picking Pandya at 8 and Jadeja at 9.

3. Bat out time - every innings needs to go 100 overs. Forget about aggression, prioritise attrition.

4. Stick to a stable starting eleven outside Asia.

5. Tell Jadeja and Pandya that they both need to score 60 runs in every SENA Test.

You need to learn to walk before you try to run.

And you need to learn to draw away before you try to win.

Kohli’s legacy will be to remain a serial loser unless he learns how to save overseas Tests.

(And I am referring to his captaincy only. I recognise him as the greatest ever Asian batsman).

 

[Ab Fan]

For me, the best Indian team remains the one below. They knew how to win games which are considered harder to win or the games for which they have to walk through the hard yards to win.

Sehwag
Gambhir
Dravid
Tendulkar
Laxman
Ganguly
Dhoni
Kumble
Harbhajan
Zaheer
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Even with a non-existent pace attack, they have won and drawn test series away from home.

Kohli's team is very good as well but much of their legacy is ruthlessly dominating teams at home.

Imran's Pakistan team gets too much overhyped over here as well. India and Australia both were mediocre teams yet Imran's team couldn't win a series in Australia or New Zealand and couldn't beat a decent Indian side in 1989.

That Indian team didn't had any world class batsmen bar Azharudin and Kapil who was getting past his peak. We had likes of Sidhu, Srikkant and Sanjay Manjarekar who in India are considered vastly inferior batsmen to Gautam Gambhir. The bowling lesser said the better.

Windies and Australia are by far the two best sides of all-time and their W/L suggests the same( it's 5+ for WI in 80s and 4+ for Aus in 00s). For India and Pakistan, it never got past 2 over a decade.

SA's Smith is the third while India of 00s and Pak of 80s are about same with India of 00s being ahead slightly. England of 2009-2012 was brilliant as well.