"When they will come to India, we will show them" : Virat Kohli to teammates during New Zealand loss

[Heisenberg111]

For me, the best Indian team remains the one below. They knew how to win games which are considered harder to win or the games for which they have to walk through the hard yards to win.

Sehwag
Gambhir
Dravid
Tendulkar
Laxman
Ganguly
Dhoni
Kumble
Harbhajan
Zaheer
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Even with a non-existent pace attack, they have won and drawn test series away from home.

Kohli's team is very good as well but much of their legacy is ruthlessly dominating teams at home.

Imran's Pakistan team gets too much overhyped over here as well. India and Australia both were mediocre teams yet Imran's team couldn't win a series in Australia or New Zealand and couldn't beat a decent Indian side in 1989.

That Indian team didn't had any world class batsmen bar Azharudin and Kapil who was getting past his peak. We had likes of Sidhu, Srikkant and Sanjay Manjarekar who in India are considered vastly inferior batsmen to Gautam Gambhir. The bowling lesser said the better.

Windies and Australia are by far the two best sides of all-time and their W/L suggests the same( it's 5+ for WI in 80s and 4+ for Aus in 00s). For India and Pakistan, it never got past 2 over a decade.

SA's Smith is the third while India of 00s and Pak of 80s are about same with India of 00s being ahead slightly. England of 2009-2012 was brilliant as well.

Pakistan's best period was from 1986-1994. During this period Pakistan achieved the following.

2 series wins in England (1987 and 1992)
2 series wins in New Zealand (1992 and 1994)
1-1 drawn series in the West Indies (1988)
A series win in India (1987)

Add to this they were unbeaten at home too and lost only 2 matches at home from 86-94. Their W/L ratio in this period (2.44) is slightly behind West Indies's W/L ratio of 2.69

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...1986;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

This is better than what the Indian team achieved from 2006-11.

 

[Titan24]

Pakistan's best period was from 1986-1994. During this period Pakistan achieved the following.

2 series wins in England (1987 and 1992)
2 series wins in New Zealand (1992 and 1994)
1-1 drawn series in the West Indies (1988)
A series win in India (1987)

Add to this they were unbeaten at home too and lost only 2 matches at home from 86-94. Their W/L ratio in this period (2.44) is slightly behind West Indies's W/L ratio of 2.69

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...1986;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

This is better than what the Indian team achieved from 2006-11.

Extraordinary performance.

 

[Junaids]

Pakistan's best period was from 1986-1994. During this period Pakistan achieved the following.

2 series wins in England (1987 and 1992)
2 series wins in New Zealand (1992 and 1994)
1-1 drawn series in the West Indies (1988)
A series win in India (1987)

Add to this they were unbeaten at home too and lost only 2 matches at home from 86-94. Their W/L ratio in this period (2.44) is slightly behind West Indies's W/L ratio of 2.69

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...1986;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

This is better than what the Indian team achieved from 2006-11.

I have to be consistent here.

Pakistan lost 2-9 in the West Indies in 92-93, eight months after Imran Khan was dumped for the England tour, and they also lost a one-off Test at Johannesburg in 94-95 (even though they drew their next full series in South Africa 1-1).

As such, I cannot consider the Pakistan team after 1992 to match Imran’s. To me you can have one narrow away Series defeat in a five year span, but lose any more than that and you have no legacy.

 

[Heisenberg111]

I have to be consistent here.

Pakistan lost 2-9 in the West Indies in 92-93, eight months after Imran Khan was dumped for the England tour, and they also lost a one-off Test at Johannesburg in 94-95 (even though they drew their next full series in South Africa 1-1).

As such, I cannot consider the Pakistan team after 1992 to match Imran’s. To me you can have one narrow away Series defeat in a five year span, but lose any more than that and you have no legacy.

2-9 ? I guess you meant 0-2. As for your post, Pakistan only lost 2 series from 1986-1994.

0-1 in Australia (1989)
0-2 in West Indies (1993)

Losing 2 series in the span of 9 years is not bad. In comparison India from 2006-11 lost 3 series in a span of 6 years.

Lost 1-2 in South Africa 2006-2007
Lost 1-2 in Australia (2007-2008)
Lost 1-2 in Sri Lanka (2008)

 

[Junaids]

As I have started to observe in the other Kohli thread, I’m increasingly starting to think that intelligence underpins all of this.

Imran Khan was smart enough to analyse his team’s weaknesses and to correct them before they played the West Indies.

Suddenly Wasim Akram takes over and Salim Malik and Shoaib Mohammad are dropped for a tour of the West Indies, which Imran would never have done.

Much of what went right for Steve Smith’s Australia was related to extraordinary reverse swing. But Smith was actually a dull and unintelligent leader who couldn’t strategise like Michael Clarke had.

I’m not saying that a captain needs a university degree - clearly Clarke was from the western suburbs of Sydney, and uneducated, but he was much smarter than Smith or Kohli.

But I am increasingly concluding that India’s underperformance overseas now is because Kohli is incapable of identifying the problem, let alone fixing it.