Where do you stand in the Russia-Ukraine conflict?

[MenInG]

The Russia-Ukraine conflict will undoubtedly ignite a lot of debate but where do you stand on this and why?

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

War is never the answer. Russia is in the wrong here for invading a sovereign country.

 

[James]

My first instinct would be to oppose the invasion.

 

[sweep_shot]

Generally speaking, invading a sovereign state for no good reason is wrong.

So, I am with Ukraine (for now at least).

 

[Stewie]

I honestly do not know what to make of it. Someone asked me the other day how would USA feel if some other country decided to set up bases and arm Mexico or some other central American or neighboring country.

The answer is: well it has happened before. In response to US setting up shop in Turkey, the Soviet Union did it in Cuba and we all know what happened then. US did not take kindly to that and well slapped them with sanctions and whatnot. In the end the SU ended up rolling their missile back.
https://www.wionews.com/world/1962-...uclear-war-like-it-is-now-over-ukraine-455806

The stories are similar, except in the case of the USA they did not openly invade Cuba (already they had tried the ridiculous Bay of Pigs invasion the year before, so its failure might have something to do with openly invading the country)
Here we have Russia going full invasion mode on.

Wars and invasions like that should be avoided at all cost. But where US has the economic and diplomatic might to arm twist other nations into doing their bidding, Russia does not have the same pull and their only option, perhaps was to go all in to Ukraine. Hard to say, I am no expert on their viable options but the point is the picture is not entirely black and white here. There is a lot of gray here and its not very easy to pick a side.

 

[Technics 1210]

NATO/West is to blame.

Also we can all condemn Russia for its actions but the West have no moral ground to point fingers at Russia.

NATO promised not to expand towards Eastern Europe close to Russian border, but again, renaged.

Of course USA parked Nukes in Turkey, USSR responsed by parking nukes in Cuba, and the world was at the brink. Funny that, USA think it's ok to do as they please, but have a hissy fit when others do the same.

I hope Putin teaches NATO a lesson. Enough of Western agression and hypocrisy. Oh I hope the East start to dump the USD and disband from SWIFT. Enough of Amreekan control.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Pretty sure this is not about Ukraine, but more about dominance of global resources and power games. Good luck to whoever wins, just hope I don't end up paying massive gas and petrol prices as a result.

 

[irfan]

Pretty sure this is not about Ukraine, but more about dominance of global resources and power games. Good luck to whoever wins, just hope I don't end up paying massive gas and petrol prices as a result.

you will, that was already baked in; now they have good excuse to blame all the high prices & inflaton on Russia.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Russia asked for a simple demand, guarantee Ukraine will never be Nato. Ie. No Nukes on its borders.

West refused.

Russia has a right to self defence and defend Russians in Eastern Ukraine who have been attacked since 2014 after the western coup which installed their puppet.

 

[dildilpak]

Putin is trying to reestablish the USSR. Its not just about Ukraine, once he is done with it he will attack more former USSR colonies. This will also provide impetus for China to attack Taiwan. Hence needs to be stopped!

Also the Ukrainian President is an idiot - kept denying Russia’s intentions which the US intelligence called correctly. He will now pay the price for it.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Putin is trying to reestablish the USSR. Its not just about Ukraine, once he is done with it he will attack more former USSR colonies. This will also provide impetus for China to attack Taiwan. Hence needs to be stopped!

Also the Ukrainian President is an idiot - kept denying Russia’s intentions which the US intelligence called correctly. He will now pay the price for it.

USSR were communist athiests. Putin is an Orthodox Christian. He is not trying to bring back the Soviet era but merely ensuring Nato missiles or Nato puppets do not destablise or risk his nation.

If Russia put missiles in Ireland or Cuba, would the western nations accept this as they are demanding of Russia?

 

[dildilpak]

USSR were communist athiests. Putin is an Orthodox Christian. He is not trying to bring back the Soviet era but merely ensuring Nato missiles or Nato puppets do not destablise or risk his nation.

If Russia put missiles in Ireland or Cuba, would the western nations accept this as they are demanding of Russia?

Call it as you like - but this is just Putin trying to reestablish the USSR in his sunset years. Ukraine was never going to join the NATO - if they really wanted that they would have done that long back. Russia is just using that as a pretence to attack Ukraine because he always considered it a part of Russia. It started with his stooge Yanukovich who imposed Russia on the democratic Ukrainian population & ultimately led to annexation of Crimea. A peaceful Russia is irrelevant on the world stage so Putin wants the limelight again on himself.

 

[realitygaf]

Russia asked for a simple demand, guarantee Ukraine will never be Nato. Ie. No Nukes on its borders.

West refused.

Russia has a right to self defence and defend Russians in Eastern Ukraine who have been attacked since 2014 after the western coup which installed their puppet.

Lol. Does an independent nation need to ask russia if it should or should not join nato. What a statement lol

 

[JaDed]

Don’t understand why UK is scrambling though, Boris’ speech in the Parliament seems to be off different tone to this forum, noticing how UK citizens in this forum are supporting Russia I would assume Boris would rather align with Russia than putting sanctions.

 

[dildilpak]

Lol. Does an independent nation need to ask russia if it should or should not join nato. What a statement lol

Yeah, this is like Pakistan needing permission from India to allay with China or get nukes

 

[KingKhanWC]

Call it as you like - but this is just Putin trying to reestablish the USSR in his sunset years. Ukraine was never going to join the NATO - if they really wanted that they would have done that long back. Russia is just using that as a pretence to attack Ukraine because he always considered it a part of Russia. It started with his stooge Yanukovich who imposed Russia on the democratic Ukrainian population & ultimately led to annexation of Crimea. A peaceful Russia is irrelevant on the world stage so Putin wants the limelight again on himself.

The same was said of other nations such as Poland many years ago but they are now Nato.

If Ukraine was NEVER going to join, why didnt it along with the Yanks agree to Putin's simple demand of this guarantee. They would rather get beat up instead?

Lol. Does an independent nation need to ask russia if it should or should not join nato. What a statement lol

No it doesnt but then it must defend itself along with its allies if Russia feels threatned. I assume Nato will be sending to troops to fight the evil President as it did against Saddam and Gaddafi?

Ukraine are asking for miliatry support , boots on the ground. Lets see if Nato is just a coward attacking poor nations or nations with small army or they are will defend Ukraine?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Don’t understand why UK is scrambling though, Boris’ speech in the Parliament seems to be off different tone to this forum, noticing how UK citizens in this forum are supporting Russia I would assume Boris would rather align with Russia than putting sanctions.

Boris and his party have large donations from Russians. The sanctions are weak because of this. Regardless the UK is too weak to go to war with Russia who can wipe us out in a single attack.

 

[Noman]

Putin is trying to reestablish the USSR. Its not just about Ukraine, once he is done with it he will attack more former USSR colonies. This will also provide impetus for China to attack Taiwan. Hence needs to be stopped!

Also the Ukrainian President is an idiot - kept denying Russia’s intentions which the US intelligence called correctly. He will now pay the price for it.

Spot on - west is to blame. Putin is defending his country because west is covertly playing dirty geo games

 

[LaLoco]

The big powers lecturing each other on invading smaller and weaker nations on falls pretext is like Bill Cosby lecturing Harvey Weinstein on sexual harassments and rape.


Hilarious

 

[Lego20]

Ukraine had a choice to avoid this - stay out of NATO. They chose to confront Russia by wanting to join and align with NATO which is an alliance/front against USSR/Russia - a direct threat to Russia.

From a Russian perspective, this is a defensive invasion.

 

[JaDed]

Ukraine had a choice to avoid this - stay out of NATO. They chose to confront Russia by wanting to join and align with NATO which is an alliance/front against USSR/Russia - a direct threat to Russia.

From a Russian perspective, this is a defensive invasion.

Defensive-Invasion what is this an Oxymoron?

 

[Lego20]

Defensive-Invasion what is this an Oxymoron?

In geo-strategic lingo there is something called as "defensive offense" Its the same thing China is trying to do with India by creating border tensions.

 

[JaDed]

In geo-strategic lingo there is something called as "defensive offense" Its the same thing China is trying to do with India by creating border tensions.

Hmm you think China will attack Kolkata,Patna or Dehradun?

 

[Lego20]

Hmm you think China will attack Kolkata,Patna or Dehradun?

They will/are intruding along the LAC & Arunachal Pradesh. 7 steps in, 4 steps out.

Their conditions:
1. Stay away from Quad/USA
2. Adhere and accept One China including Tibet, Hong Kong, Taiwan, territorial waters in SCS & ECS
3. No infra development along border areas.
India has decided to thumb their nose on all of these purely based on principles without enough military and economic preparedness. The result is not going to be pretty.

 

[PetroDollars]

Putin has had a wet dream of reestablishing the USSR since 30 years, he will put the whole world in war to fullfill his fantasies of becoming a world dictator.

 

[PakLFC]

Don't think any sane person can support Russia here. Ukraine hasn't done anything to Russia here that it's citizens should suffer like they are. Putin like a bully is just throwing his weight around. Ukraine though should have known that wanting to join NATO would prompt an action from Putin.

 

[moghul]

Invasion of any country and killing of civilians should be condemned in strongest words , whether its Ukraine , Iraq, Afghanistan or any country.

 

[James]

Invasion of any country and killing of civilians should be condemned in strongest words , whether its Ukraine , Iraq, Afghanistan or any country.

This is essentially my position as well.

 

[Zaz]

Invasion of any country and killing of civilians should be condemned in strongest words , whether its Ukraine , Iraq, Afghanistan or any country.

why isnt it called an invasion n the same admonishment by the media and sanctions applied when theres invasions of the likes of iraq, afghanistan, libya and co?

 

[Zaz]

Israel has every right to defend itself

Isnt that what boris and co said when israel was bombing gaza to smithereens, killing dozens of kids and stealing land in palestine?

 

[Noman]

Israel has every right to defend itself

Isnt that what boris and co said when israel was bombing gaza to smithereens, killing dozens of kids and stealing land in palestine?

Spot on - I agree with you
USA, Israel and the NATO is the problem. I feel for innocent people. What Putin is doing is wrong, problem is he hate to get bullying. He did offer solution, But USA weapon Industry want to benefit and Europe We have to pay for all this mess because USA and dummy politicians and media. Who is right and who wrong is not simple -

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Don’t understand why UK is scrambling though, Boris’ speech in the Parliament seems to be off different tone to this forum, noticing how UK citizens in this forum are supporting Russia I would assume Boris would rather align with Russia than putting sanctions.

Forum members have emotional ties to the east. Boris is part of the Five Eyes network which is western led and Anglo Saxon culturally. It's a complex scenario and far beyond judging by what people say on a forum.

 

[James]

Don’t understand why UK is scrambling though, Boris’ speech in the Parliament seems to be off different tone to this forum, noticing how UK citizens in this forum are supporting Russia I would assume Boris would rather align with Russia than putting sanctions.

The UK public opinion at large by my observation is in favour of Ukraine.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The UK public opinion at large by my observation is in favour of Ukraine.

Agreed, although most of them have no idea about Ukraine or Russia, we know far more about Aussies, Americans and black history at this point. Russia, China, Hwuawei etc is all a bit of mystery.

 

[MenInG]

Seems some opinions have changed?

 

[Zaz]

The UK public opinion at large by my observation is in favour of Ukraine.

Isnt the opinion tho based on the media spin and the uk policy towards these issues tho? that dicates how the public perceives these issues

The uk public as a whole have no idea on the real complexities of the issues n events that have led us to this point

Heck most wouldnt even be able to point out ukraine on a map

 

[JaDed]

Forum members have emotional ties to the east. Boris is part of the Five Eyes network which is western led and Anglo Saxon culturally. It's a complex scenario and far beyond judging by what people say on a forum.

To east yes but not to Russia, if anything 20-30 years ago Pakistani-Brits were against USSR, so the east ties doesn’t hold that much value as say current hatred for NATO-Israel.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

To east yes but not to Russia, if anything 20-30 years ago Pakistani-Brits were against USSR, so the east ties doesn’t hold that much value as say current hatred for NATO-Israel.

What does that tell you? Pakistani Brits don't like invading armies wherever they come from. The war on terror has been terrible for Pakistan, but yes 20-30 years ago we loved NATO. Not so much Israel.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Seems some opinions have changed?

Supporting Russia is not a crime. Only the west are insisting Russia is evil etc.

 

[Zaz]

Would boris, the media and fifa et all put the same spin on this if usa were fighting ukraine or any other country?

I dont think so...

 

[James]

Isnt the opinion tho based on the media spin and the uk policy towards these issues tho? that dicates how the public perceives these issues

The uk public as a whole have no idea on the real complexities of the issues n events that have led us to this point

Heck most wouldnt even be able to point out ukraine on a map

All true. It’s a bit embarrassing how ignorant most British people are, not just on Ukraine but on a wide variety of topics tbh.

But my point still stands.

 

[PetroDollars]

Putin is basically toast now, apart from some conspiracy thoery loving nut jobs thinking russia is going to come as an ameer ul momin to save muslims and then revert to islam themselves, the russians have been isolated everywhere, even china is totally ignoring them now.

Putin is a madman but he completely underestimated the sanctions will go so far as removing them from swift payments to killing there oligarchs. Now his own oligarchs are turning on him. Soon Russia will be hit with sky high inflation, turning every russian against him, even if he takes over Ukraine and kills everyone, there is nothing there for him to gain, its a loss-loss scenario for him everywhere he looks because his economy has been crippled and now theres no way around it. The only place he will find salvation after this is probably in some ghetto in bradford or yorkshire with taliban loving brit pakistanis.

 

[Zaz]

Putin is basically toast now, apart from some conspiracy thoery loving nut jobs thinking russia is going to come as an ameer ul momin to save muslims and then revert to islam themselves, the russians have been isolated everywhere, even china is totally ignoring them now.

Putin is a madman but he completely underestimated the sanctions will go so far as removing them from swift payments to killing there oligarchs. Now his own oligarchs are turning on him. Soon Russia will be hit with sky high inflation, turning every russian against him, even if he takes over Ukraine and kills everyone, there is nothing there for him to gain, its a loss-loss scenario for him everywhere he looks because his economy has been crippled and now theres no way around it. The only place he will find salvation after this is probably in some ghetto in bradford or yorkshire with taliban loving brit pakistanis.

Its the west that have underestimated him and have blinked first

They thought the threats would stop putin and not curtail their devious intentions

Russia might be isolated but they havr shown they wont be cowered by anyones threats and the west has been put back in its place

N if you look its the west cronies in ukraine who are getting the beating of their life

 

[PetroDollars]

Its the west that have underestimated him and have blinked first

They thought the threats would stop putin and not curtail their devious intentions

Russia might be isolated but they havr shown they wont be cowered by anyones threats and the west has been put back in its place

N if you look its the west cronies in ukraine who are getting the beating of their life

I though no one in the west belived that putin will attack ukraine, it defintaly sent shockwaves, but the response has been aggressive from them now, and likewise putin never expected such harsh sanctions that will only get worse and cripple the russian economy.

Also stop using putin and russia as the same, there not. With the coming sky high inflation and russian billionaires going bankrupt, no one will want putin there.

Theres also no point in taking Ukraine, its like Kashmir for india, the people will never ever support you and will just be a military drainage costing billions for them.

 

[JaDed]

What does that tell you? Pakistani Brits don't like invading armies wherever they come from. The war on terror has been terrible for Pakistan, but yes 20-30 years ago we loved NATO. Not so much Israel.

Not really, Pak Brits have no issue with Turkey invasion of other regions. Pakistani Brits(on this forum) only support what is best case scenario for Pakistan.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not really, Pak Brits have no issue with Turkey invasion of other regions. Pakistani Brits(on this forum) only support what is best case scenario for Pakistan.

Pak Brits don't know anything about Turkey other than it's a nice place for a holiday. Are you talking about historical invasions? I think most Brits only have opinions on current affairs.

Yes you are correct, they do like best case scenario for Pakistan, it's not that surprising.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Not really, Pak Brits have no issue with Turkey invasion of other regions. Pakistani Brits(on this forum) only support what is best case scenario for Pakistan.

Pls dont make such poor generalistions. There are different views here in the UK by all.

Indians will support anyone who even says boo to Pakistan. It doesnt matter if they are in India or Britain.

It hard to access how people feel esp when MSM makes up nonsense such as this.

Zelenskiy backing hits 90% among Ukrainians in poll since invasion – as it happened

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...-russian-banks-cut-off-from-swift-system-live

Eastern Ukraine all support Russia.

 

[JaDed]

Pak Brits don't know anything about Turkey other than it's a nice place for a holiday. Are you talking about historical invasions? I think most Brits only have opinions on current affairs.

Yes you are correct, they do like best case scenario for Pakistan, it's not that surprising.

That’s not surprising, my point was on you Pak Brits don’t like invading armies, but there is a bias there as well which yes is not surprising.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Yeah, this is like Pakistan needing permission from India to allay with China or get nukes

Lol. Does an independent nation need to ask russia if it should or should not join nato. What a statement lol

In a ideal world an independent country does not need permission on what alliance they join. However when a much stronger country has made it clear that's its a red line if they join this alliance, is it really worth it? Ukraine already lost Crimea, now they might end up losing half their land now. Putin can send Ukraine back decades, he can raze Kiev to the ground. Was it really worth it for Ukraine? They should have stayed neutral.

Whether Ukraine likes it or not Russia considers Ukraine a part of their sphere of influence.

 

[PetroDollars]

In a ideal world an independent country does not need permission on what alliance they join. However when a much stronger country has made it clear that's its a red line if they join this alliance, is it really worth it? Ukraine already lost Crimea, now they might end up losing half their land now. Putin can send Ukraine back decades, he can raze Kiev to the ground. Was it really worth it for Ukraine? They should have stayed neutral.

Whether Ukraine likes it or not Russia considers Ukraine a part of their sphere of influence.

LOL, this is like saying to the Kashmiris, Uyghurs, palestinians etc. you can be razed to the ground so just obey your masters, as your a part of there sphere of influence.

Just because a bully is so much more powerful, doesnt mean they need to be obeyed.

..and like i mentioned previously, russia can take Ukraine but it will never win its people and will just end up burning billions a year in military costs just like India, israel and china do. However with heavy sanctions and a crippling economy it will turn its own people against it.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

LOL, this is like saying to the Kashmiris, Uyghurs, palestinians etc. you can be razed to the ground so just obey your masters, as your a part of there sphere of influence.

Just because a bully is so much more powerful, doesnt mean they need to be obeyed.

..and like i mentioned previously, russia can take Ukraine but it will never win its people and will just end up burning billions a year in military costs just like India, israel and china do. However with heavy sanctions and a crippling economy it will turn its own people against it.

Russia took Crimea 8 years ago. Their is no uprising their. Its because its a Russian majority area. Same way in Eastern Ukraine their are millions of Russians. Russia can simply expel the Ukrainians. They did that in Georgia. I think the Russians will be ok with Eastern Ukraine being a part of Russia.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

LOL, this is like saying to the Kashmiris, Uyghurs, palestinians etc. you can be razed to the ground so just obey your masters, as your a part of there sphere of influence.

It would have been wiser for those 3 groups to realize the limitation of their power, and try to cut the best deal possible.

The Palestinians especially were foolish.With the settlements in Gaza and the West Bank, they could pushed for citizenship so they could out populate the Jews. That movement would have a had greater impact than violence. Now Israel is out of Gaza, and most settlements in the West Bank are west of the fence. Not to mention before the intifada it was easier for Palestinians to marry Israeli Arabs and get citizenship that way. They could have changed the demographics that way also.

 

[captain.hansolo]

Russia asked for a simple demand, guarantee Ukraine will never be Nato. Ie. No Nukes on its borders.

West refused.

Russia has a right to self defence and defend Russians in Eastern Ukraine who have been attacked since 2014 after the western coup which installed their puppet.

you have the most infantile understanding of the situation.

if this were even remotely true, do explain why they attacked georgia repeatedly? or attempt to destabilize Lithuanian?

Under Putin, and this is important to make this distinction, that the global actions of the russian state are very much the reflection of one man and not the majority of the state, most of whom oppose this engagement, Russia is the global troll.

It is a pity i cannot directly help arm Ukrainians, and must content with giving humanitarian aide only. This is a war that is between good and rotten evil.

Anyone who does not recognize this is either complicit or an idiot. or both.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That’s not surprising, my point was on you Pak Brits don’t like invading armies, but there is a bias there as well which yes is not surprising.

But you used Turkey as the example, which country has Turkey invaded in recent times? If you want to point to Pak Brit bias, then I think you can find a better example such as China.

 

[Manunited18]

you have the most infantile understanding of the situation.

if this were even remotely true, do explain why they attacked georgia repeatedly? or attempt to destabilize Lithuanian?

Under Putin, and this is important to make this distinction, that the global actions of the russian state are very much the reflection of one man and not the majority of the state, most of whom oppose this engagement, Russia is the global troll.

It is a pity i cannot directly help arm Ukrainians, and must content with giving humanitarian aide only. This is a war that is between good and rotten evil.

Anyone who does not recognize this is either complicit or an idiot. or both.

Whilst I do sympathise for innocent civilians getting killed as war is never the answer. Also you failed to understand that this Ukraine leader is a puppet put in place who is stirring up the situation to make the matter worse.

Completely agree with your last few paragraphs, it is a war between good and evil, whilst Putin is not perfect what doesn't surprise me is how how hell bent NATO and its allies are to make sure this escalates to a full out war. NATO has a shocking history of injustices in its pathetic history and you have hit the nail on the head.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

you have the most infantile understanding of the situation.

if this were even remotely true, do explain why they attacked georgia repeatedly? or attempt to destabilize Lithuanian?

Under Putin, and this is important to make this distinction, that the global actions of the russian state are very much the reflection of one man and not the majority of the state, most of whom oppose this engagement, Russia is the global troll.

It is a pity i cannot directly help arm Ukrainians, and must content with giving humanitarian aide only. This is a war that is between good and rotten evil.

Anyone who does not recognize this is either complicit or an idiot. or both.

What good is that going to do for Ukraine though? NATO won't intervene militarily so eventually Ukraine will get crushed. Sanctions on Russia will just lead to poverty for Russians, as well as the miserable situation for Ukranians. Proxy wars are all well and good for NATO in the several areas it is engaged, but ultimately all it brings for those in the firing line is a shattered country.

 

[silentkiller187]

war is never good for anyone involved, and the innocent civillians on both sides pay the ultimate price. What i will say however is i hate hypocrits, this same Zelnsky was championing israels use of force on Palestinians throwing stones, yet his own people are being given guns molotiv cocktails etc, what goes around comes around i am afraid.

 

[Technics 1210]

war is never good for anyone involved, and the innocent civillians on both sides pay the ultimate price. What i will say however is i hate hypocrits, this same Zelnsky was championing israels use of force on Palestinians throwing stones, yet his own people are being given guns molotiv cocktails etc, what goes around comes around i am afraid.

Yet liberals and hypocrites stand in solidarity with Ukrainians.

 

[PetroDollars]

Russia took Crimea 8 years ago. Their is no uprising their. Its because its a Russian majority area. Same way in Eastern Ukraine their are millions of Russians. Russia can simply expel the Ukrainians. They did that in Georgia. I think the Russians will be ok with Eastern Ukraine being a part of Russia.

Ukraine is much larger then Crimea and the uprising here has only encouraged more Ukrainians to stand up
Putin can take eastern side, which is a very small part but then it will only make the rest fall straight in the lap of NATO and EU aswell, whatever option putin takes he is strangled. He though this would be over in 2 days, he will take ukraine militarily and ride out some minor sanctions while europe waits for russian gas. He miscalculated everything. Now nato can just sit back and cripple the russian economy, drive inflation to the sky, while putin burns billions in military costs, its only a matter of time the russians till topple him.

It would have been wiser for those 3 groups to realize the limitation of their power, and try to cut the best deal possible.

The Palestinians especially were foolish.With the settlements in Gaza and the West Bank, they could pushed for citizenship so they could out populate the Jews. That movement would have a had greater impact than violence. Now Israel is out of Gaza, and most settlements in the West Bank are west of the fence. Not to mention before the intifada it was easier for Palestinians to marry Israeli Arabs and get citizenship that way. They could have changed the demographics that way also.

I can agree with much of this, but what im saying is how some pakistanis will call them occupational forces but if the ones being conquered are not muslims its all fine and dandy for them and then occupational forces are heroes.

 

[sweep_shot]

After reading this article, I am withdrawing my support for Ukraine: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022...-grease-bullets-against-chechens-with-pig-fat.

Ukrainian military apparently has many neo-Nazis (who seem to hate Muslims). You can see these links:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/christopherm51/ukraine-russia-invasion-far-right-training
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG1fuhKwXVA&ab_channel=GrahamPhillips
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion.

 

[sweep_shot]

After reading this article, I am withdrawing my support for Ukraine: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022...-grease-bullets-against-chechens-with-pig-fat.

Ukrainian military apparently has many neo-Nazis (who seem to hate Muslims). You can see these links:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/christopherm51/ukraine-russia-invasion-far-right-training
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG1fuhKwXVA&ab_channel=GrahamPhillips
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion.

I am against violence against innocent people. But, I hope Putin's men will wipe out this specific group called Azov Batallion (they are fighting the Russians currently). They are hateful neo-Nazis and are a part of Ukrainian armed forces.

 

[JaDed]

After reading this article, I am withdrawing my support for Ukraine: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022...-grease-bullets-against-chechens-with-pig-fat.

Ukrainian military apparently has many neo-Nazis (who seem to hate Muslims). You can see these links:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/christopherm51/ukraine-russia-invasion-far-right-training
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG1fuhKwXVA&ab_channel=GrahamPhillips
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion.

Lol you are such a sheep! Just random articles(buzz feed, with another Al Jazeera saying cannot be verified) about a select few made you withdraw support to the entire country whose citizens you might not have an idea about.

 

[GenericBrand]

Lol you are such a sheep! Just random articles(buzz feed, with another Al Jazeera saying cannot be verified) about a select few made you withdraw support to the entire country whose citizens you might not have an idea about.

LOL not going to lie, post made me chuckle.

The rampant mental gymnastics going on around this conflict by both Ukrainian and Russian supporters is pathetic. You can say Ukrainian officials are racist and call out Russia at the same time, they aren't mutually exclusive. Racism is real and so is a nation's sovereignty.

This isn't some back-alley conflict were you can pick and choose who's side you're on everday.

 

[Itachi]

One fact is established though. The influence of west was overestimated and now it is reflecting the stage where it actually is in reality.

 

[sweep_shot]

Lol you are such a sheep! Just random articles(buzz feed, with another Al Jazeera saying cannot be verified) about a select few made you withdraw support to the entire country whose citizens you might not have an idea about.

It is not a secret that many eastern Europeans countries (Hungary, Poland, Ukraine etc.) have serious neo-Nazi problem. Ukrainian armed forces also have neo-Nazis. Ukrainian government seems to be okay with them.

I am not explicitly supporting Russia's invasion. But, if this war gets rid of some of the neo-Nazis in Ukraine, that's one positive.

 

[Civil]

I support Ukraine's right to independence.

Not a fan of the misinformation and propaganda though from the west. i fear it will keep pushing putin's ego to start a scorched earth approach.

Lot of stories and images turning out to be fake.

People that are out of harms way are too busy perpetuating fake news like sunflower seeds, snake island deaths and ghost of kyiv stuff.

 

[JaDed]

LOL not going to lie, post made me chuckle.

The rampant mental gymnastics going on around this conflict by both Ukrainian and Russian supporters is pathetic. You can say Ukrainian officials are racist and call out Russia at the same time, they aren't mutually exclusive. Racism is real and so is a nation's sovereignty.

This isn't some back-alley conflict were you can pick and choose who's side you're on everday.

Exactly, It seems like people have to pick a side and spin it as they want.

 

[Saj]

It's interesting how vocal some have been about Russia, yet they are silent when other nations are committing atrocities against others.

 

[Local.Dada]

Exactly, It seems like people have to pick a side and spin it as they want.

I am not sure what is so debatable about an event that just resulted in innocent civilians getting hurt,killed and probably have their normal lives displaced forever.

 

[Major]

What do posters feel about the nuclear inheritence that Ukraine got from the USSR, which they decided to disband to please the world. Surely, if you were to act as a bufferzone, the nuclear programs would had helped protect your countrys own sovereignity right?

After researching on this topic, as a Pakistani i really fear for my country ending up siding with the wrong side. Just like how the ottoman did and it resulted in its break up and palestine being given to the british. If china os to make ots move on the pacific ocean than we could be headed towards a world war. Anywhere China goes, we will have follow them and do as they say. We had fooled the americans in the past and got away with it, dont know if we can do the same with the chinese.

 

[LaLoco]

What do posters feel about the nuclear inheritence that Ukraine got from the USSR, which they decided to disband to please the world. Surely, if you were to act as a bufferzone, the nuclear programs would had helped protect your countrys own sovereignity right?

After researching on this topic, as a Pakistani i really fear for my country ending up siding with the wrong side. Just like how the ottoman did and it resulted in its break up and palestine being given to the british. If china os to make ots move on the pacific ocean than we could be headed towards a world war. Anywhere China goes, we will have follow them and do as they say. We had fooled the americans in the past and got away with it, dont know if we can do the same with the chinese.

Pakistan did not fool America. America looked the other way for their own interest, when that interest was achieved then American placed sanctions on Pakistan for it. Every country has their own interest, no one is ever right, it is the perception that is created on the media either to be right or wrong, and the western media has monopoly in it.

American intelligence isn't some elementary organization.

Pakistan has taken a neutral stand on this conflict, as Pakistan should, probably the first time in the history of Pakistan where Pakistan is not trying to take sides.

If there is a world war then the conflict will not end until every country that has nuke has used them.

 

[Vegitto1]

Russia is in Ukraine on a peace-keeping mission. Ukraine’s actions were a threat to Russia’s national security. If I recall correctly, Afghanistan, Iraq were both invaded due to perceived threat to national security of certain countries and Iran has sanctions placed on it, which directly effect the Iranian people, simply because it is an “independent & Sovereign” country who wishes to develop nuclear technology.

Furthermore, NATO has fully supported Saudi Arabia in its war against Yemen. So why is ok for white-skinned people and their lap-dogs to wage war when they feel “threatened” and wrong if Russia, China or any other country, not part of their club, does it?

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Feel bad for the poor Russian soldiers. Some of them have been given expired food packages and are already running out of fuel.

Even in their interactions it’s plainly obvious they really don’t want to be there and are there purely due to a madman’s ego.

 

[uberkoen]

What do posters feel about the nuclear inheritence that Ukraine got from the USSR, which they decided to disband to please the world. Surely, if you were to act as a bufferzone, the nuclear programs would had helped protect your countrys own sovereignity right?

After researching on this topic, as a Pakistani i really fear for my country ending up siding with the wrong side. Just like how the ottoman did and it resulted in its break up and palestine being given to the british. If china os to make ots move on the pacific ocean than we could be headed towards a world war. Anywhere China goes, we will have follow them and do as they say. We had fooled the americans in the past and got away with it, dont know if we can do the same with the chinese.

No, those nuclear weapons would not have helped at all. There is no evidence that nuclear weapons act as a deterrence to war and specially considering the ones left behind with Ukraine at the time were not usable by them as they did not have the missile codes to deploy those.

 

[Major]

No, those nuclear weapons would not have helped at all. There is no evidence that nuclear weapons act as a deterrence to war and specially considering the ones left behind with Ukraine at the time were not usable by them as they did not have the missile codes to deploy those.

it has acted as a deterrence for Pakistan and India.

There was no way arpund for Ukraine to use them or use that technology to build there own?

 

[Major]

Pakistan did not fool America. America looked the other way for their own interest, when that interest was achieved then American placed sanctions on Pakistan for it. Every country has their own interest, no one is ever right, it is the perception that is created on the media either to be right or wrong, and the western media has monopoly in it.

American intelligence isn't some elementary organization.

Pakistan has taken a neutral stand on this conflict, as Pakistan should, probably the first time in the history of Pakistan where Pakistan is not trying to take sides.

If there is a world war then the conflict will not end until every country that has nuke has used them.

you dont know what I am refering too.

 

[Firebat]

Many Russians stand with Ukraine.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">6/12 Putin is not Russia. And if there is anything in Russia right now that you can be most proud of, it is those 6824 people who were detained because - without any call - they took to the streets with placards saying "No War".</p>— Alexey Navalny (@navalny) <a href="https://twitter.com/navalny/status/1498949213895512067?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[LaLoco]

you dont know what I am refering too.

Building Nukes - lets not pretend the USA had no idea of it, that was Pakistan's right and it is paying off now.

OBL - all speculation.

Taliban - the US knew what was going to happen, hence the negotiation started in Qatar, why would or any country would have abandoned Taliban or any such organization on their backyard to secure the border?

Pakistan do not really fool China, just take a neutral stand, and China is no mood to start any conflict because that do not serve their interest.

 

[Manunited18]

I really do sympathise with the innocent civilians of Ukraine and Russia. Another chapter in the pathetic and barbaric NATO history when they have thrown their puppet under the bus.

 

[Itachi]

Building Nukes - lets not pretend the USA had no idea of it, that was Pakistan's right and it is paying off now.

OBL - all speculation.

Taliban - the US knew what was going to happen, hence the negotiation started in Qatar, why would or any country would have abandoned Taliban or any such organization on their backyard to secure the border?

Pakistan do not really fool China, just take a neutral stand, and China is no mood to start any conflict because that do not serve their interest.

This addresses nothing to what major is saying.