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Where do you stand in the Russia-Ukraine conflict?

Where do you stand in the Russia-Ukraine conflict?


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it has acted as a deterrence for Pakistan and India.

There was no way arpund for Ukraine to use them or use that technology to build there own?

It hasn't really acted as a deterrence for Pakistan and India. We've had Kargil and Siachin after both countries acquired nuclear weapons. The main deterrent has been economy.

Also, whether they'd be able to build it or not is a question that remains unanswered so to say those nukes would've acted as a deterrent is pure conjecture and nothing more. The evidence points to the contrary, possession of nuclear weapons has never been a deterrence to war. There is no evidence in history for this.
 
Building Nukes - lets not pretend the USA had no idea of it, that was Pakistan's right and it is paying off now.

OBL - all speculation.

Taliban - the US knew what was going to happen, hence the negotiation started in Qatar, why would or any country would have abandoned Taliban or any such organization on their backyard to secure the border?

Pakistan do not really fool China, just take a neutral stand, and China is no mood to start any conflict because that do not serve their interest.

i was not referring to nukes nor was i referring to taliban... just quit it.... You dont know what i am referring to so just leave it to that
 
It hasn't really acted as a deterrence for Pakistan and India. We've had Kargil and Siachin after both countries acquired nuclear weapons. The main deterrent has been economy.

Also, whether they'd be able to build it or not is a question that remains unanswered so to say those nukes would've acted as a deterrent is pure conjecture and nothing more. The evidence points to the contrary, possession of nuclear weapons has never been a deterrence to war. There is no evidence in history for this.

TBH, Kargil happened because we knew that if things got out of hand, international community would come in. Infact, Pakistan gained through this as when kargil ended atleast we got 40% or 30% claim on siachen glacier.

What i have learned over the years is that nukes arnt suppose to be used but they acted as deterrence and has done so in Pakistans case.. If it wasnt for our nukes, India would had been invading us long time ago
 
the russian army was trapped by putin, they clearly had no idea what was going on, now he is making them sit like a bakra with a miles long convoy waiting for nato or america to hit them, again hes overplayed his hand as theres no chance they will enter the war, this will end in total bankruptcy for russia and its stupid presidant.
 
Boris Johnson has accused Vladimir Putin of committing "a war crime" as he spoke during a session of PMQs preceded by a standing ovation for Ukraine's ambassador.

As the Russian president's attempt to invade Ukraine entered a seventh day, the prime minister condemned Mr Putin's "abhorrent" attack on his country's neighbour.

"What we have seen already from Vladimir Putin's regime - in the use of munitions they have already been dropping on innocent civilians - in my view already fully qualifies as a war crime," Mr Johnson told the House of Commons.

"I know the ICC [International Criminal Court] prosecutor is already investigating and I'm sure the whole House will support that."
 
Russia was totally wrong to invade Ukraine. I mean what on earth was Putin thinking ?
This is total lunacy, even if you are sympathetic to Russia and their perceived greviances.

It has been a total disaster for Russia on every single angle. Putin has made a massive incalculable mistake.

It has already killed thousands of Russian soldiers and will kill many more Ukrainians, especially the trapped civilians.

The unprecedented sanctions imposed on Russia has already decimated the Russian economy - Putin did not envisage this much blowback.
He has only united the Europeans and these sanctions are going to bite and hurt unlike the previous ones which were lacklustre.

Then there is a also been a massive cultural and sporting boycott as well big corporations like BP, Shell, Nike, etc also cutting ties to Russia.

Above all this has been a total PR catastrophe for Putin while Zelensky has come out as a hero as he did not flee Kyiv, if that’s what the Russians were hoping he would do.
 
the russian army was trapped by putin, they clearly had no idea what was going on, now he is making them sit like a bakra with a miles long convoy waiting for nato or america to hit them, again hes overplayed his hand as theres no chance they will enter the war, this will end in total bankruptcy for russia and its stupid presidant.

NATO is not going to strike that convoy because then it’s WW3.

That convoy has Russian airspace cover, they are baiting the Ukrainian airforce to attack it so they can then wipe out the remaining few jets and then they will get total air supremacy.
 
NATO is not going to strike that convoy because then it’s WW3.

That convoy has Russian airspace cover, they are baiting the Ukrainian airforce to attack it so they can then wipe out the remaining few jets and then they will get total air supremacy.

ofcourse not, there not as stupid as Putin and his bald head. Every step he has been taking has been idiotic, now hes just destorying russia.

The convoy are just sitting ducks for lure nato in, just not happening.
 
Russia was totally wrong to invade Ukraine. I mean what on earth was Putin thinking ?
This is total lunacy, even if you are sympathetic to Russia and their perceived greviances.

It has been a total disaster for Russia on every single angle. Putin has made a massive incalculable mistake.

It has already killed thousands of Russian soldiers and will kill many more Ukrainians, especially the trapped civilians.

The unprecedented sanctions imposed on Russia has already decimated the Russian economy - Putin did not envisage this much blowback.
He has only united the Europeans and these sanctions are going to bite and hurt unlike the previous ones which were lacklustre.

Then there is a also been a massive cultural and sporting boycott as well big corporations like BP, Shell, Nike, etc also cutting ties to Russia.

Above all this has been a total PR catastrophe for Putin while Zelensky has come out as a hero as he did not flee Kyiv, if that’s what the Russians were hoping he would do.

Putin is not a below 100 IQ leader like Trump. He is mad nor stupid. You dont stay the defacto head of a major super power for over 20 years if you are a *****.
 
Putin is not a below 100 IQ leader like Trump. He is mad nor stupid. You dont stay the defacto head of a major super power for over 20 years if you are a *****.

Yeah so wasn’t Hitler, but the greed of power and dictatorship makes one do stupid things.

He definitely didn’t calculate the uniting of west against this, probably because of lukewarm response to Crimea.

China will be the biggest beneficiary here though, atleast for now.
 
Putin is not a below 100 IQ leader like Trump. He is mad nor stupid. You dont stay the defacto head of a major super power for over 20 years if you are a *****.

I never said Putin was stupid but if you are surrounded by Yes men for the past 20 years you tend to get more deluded on what you can achieve.

He didn’t envisage this and now he’s going to pay a massive price for this blunder - both financially and militarily. But ultimately it will be the average Russian citizen that will pay for his stupid misadventure.
 
Yeah so wasn’t Hitler, but the greed of power and dictatorship makes one do stupid things.

He definitely didn’t calculate the uniting of west against this, probably because of lukewarm response to Crimea.

China will be the biggest beneficiary here though, atleast for now.

Hitler was a psychopath genocidal maniac. He didnt last long. Putin has been around longer than most people's age on this forum. He is stone cold and calculated. He knew he was going to take some blows but hedged his bets on Russia's ability to handle it. People like that are far more dangerous than Hitler.
He knows what he is doing and he does not plan on being there long. He will force Ukraine to sign a treaty where they wont allow US presence in the region or seek NATO membership. He does not plan on hanging around much longer like that idiotic western governments tried to do in their so called wars of terror.

So, in a way, I am agreeing with you he is dangerous, in fact far more dangerous than others, evil.. yes..

Crazy? NO!
 
Yeah so wasn’t Hitler, but the greed of power and dictatorship makes one do stupid things.

He definitely didn’t calculate the uniting of west against this, probably because of lukewarm response to Crimea.

China will be the biggest beneficiary here though, atleast for now.

Putin is out of touch and a bit unhinged at this point.

He thought Russian army would be welcomed in mainland Ukraine like it had been sort of welcome in Crimea in 2014. He genuinely thinks Ukrainians = Russians and clearly is surrounded by yes-men afraid to speak up.
 
Russia was totally wrong to invade Ukraine. I mean what on earth was Putin thinking ?
This is total lunacy, even if you are sympathetic to Russia and their perceived greviances.

It has been a total disaster for Russia on every single angle. Putin has made a massive incalculable mistake.

It has already killed thousands of Russian soldiers and will kill many more Ukrainians, especially the trapped civilians.

The unprecedented sanctions imposed on Russia has already decimated the Russian economy - Putin did not envisage this much blowback.
He has only united the Europeans and these sanctions are going to bite and hurt unlike the previous ones which were lacklustre.

Then there is a also been a massive cultural and sporting boycott as well big corporations like BP, Shell, Nike, etc also cutting ties to Russia.

Above all this has been a total PR catastrophe for Putin while Zelensky has come out as a hero as he did not flee Kyiv, if that’s what the Russians were hoping he would do.


A very level headed comment.,

But would anyone have an idea why so many Pakistanis and Bengalis and some Indians are blindly posting pro Russia comments on FB and other social media

The most common template which has been copied thousands of time says

"NATO killed millions of Muslims while Russia only killed few Ukranians, I stand with Russia"
 
A very level headed comment.,

But would anyone have an idea why so many Pakistanis and Bengalis and some Indians are blindly posting pro Russia comments on FB and other social media

The most common template which has been copied thousands of time says

"NATO killed millions of Muslims while Russia only killed few Ukranians, I stand with Russia"

Birds of the same feather flock together.

Same people supported taliban taking back afganistan, but wouldnt go to live with them. They made us belive there was a such thing as good taliban and a bad taliban, only for both to be reunited after the usa exit. Theyd make you believe china is not torturing Uyghur muslims, only because there desperate to have another super power taken on USA, who burns inside of them everyday.

Why give them any attention.
 
Russia had to do what it did knowing the repurcussions very well. Well played US/NATO.

Unfortunately, this highlights a failure of Russia's soft power, diplomacy, intelligence.

See what India has done in Bangladesh and now Sri Lanka. Nepal being a failure.
 
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To me both look at fault but I cannot forgive innocent loss of life.
 
To me both look at fault but I cannot forgive innocent loss of life.

Yes, I draw the line at the loss of innocent civilian life and when non-combatants are caught in the crossfire, that is unacceptable.
 
Why is it it portrayed as war when it's an invasion?

Its been a war since 2014.

Not refering to you but it seems so many are still clueless as how this started.

The western media has totally fooled their population.

I suggest all watch the docu by Oliver Stone. Can be found on Youtube.
 
Its been a war since 2014.

Not refering to you but it seems so many are still clueless as how this started.

The western media has totally fooled their population.

I suggest all watch the docu by Oliver Stone. Can be found on Youtube.

So it started with the illegal 2014 invasion of Crimea?
 
Its been a war since 2014.

Not refering to you but it seems so many are still clueless as how this started.

The western media has totally fooled their population.

I suggest all watch the docu by Oliver Stone. Can be found on Youtube.
I'm not even gonna pretend I know what's happening. Russia has decimated Syria, arguably a country of undeniably greater heritage and more developed in general prior its wreckage.

I remember the Russian invasion of Ingushetia and how that was a big deal but the outpouring of support and Ukrainian love in, similar to when s terrorist attack occurs bit on a grander scale, is truly bizarre as instead of a cold war, it'll actually be the lack of hearing, heavily reliant on Russia, that will kill many more.
 
I'm not even gonna pretend I know what's happening. Russia has decimated Syria, arguably a country of undeniably greater heritage and more developed in general prior its wreckage.

I remember the Russian invasion of Ingushetia and how that was a big deal but the outpouring of support and Ukrainian love in, similar to when s terrorist attack occurs bit on a grander scale, is truly bizarre as instead of a cold war, it'll actually be the lack of hearing, heavily reliant on Russia, that will kill many more.

Might've been South Ossetia actually..
 
My take:


Russia has been attacked many times in their history. Some are their own fault, others not so. It's in their psyche to be alarmed at the thought of an invading army. Napoleon did it and then Hitler gave them catastrophes to which the world has never seen before or since.

Since the Soviet Union broke up their main fear has been their Western flank going to NATO or EU. Ukraine by its nature is very flat in large parts and very easy for an invading to gallop across right onto Moscow. Napoleon and Hitler did that to devastating effect and almost ended the Russians as a nation. Ukraine going to NATO and EU would have been a disaster for them, just like Mexico, Canada going to the Warsaw Pact would be for the US. I have travelled extensively, even lived in Eastern Europe, I still hold permanent residence there, there is no way those countries based on their economies or their corruption level be ready for EU or NATO. The only reason they have been put in NATO and EU is to isolate the Russians. Absolutely 100% anyone who's lived there would say the same.

Ukraine have been daft in how they went about this, they could have been neutral and said we realise ancient relations with Russia and we want to be part of the European family too and maybe we can bridge tensions between EU and Russia by staying neutral. And gradually down the line they should have consolidated their strength enough to deter Russia. Just like Russians have not gone near Finland. I am not saying this might have worked either but their current way didn't work either. Afghanistan should have done the same, when these countries are so poor and corrupt with little military power then showing a spine with nothing to back it up against is very bad tactics. I am not sure why Pakistanis are confused understanding this, as we have the exact same fear with Afghanistan hence us supporting the Taliban through the years.


Again please don't attack me, what Russia is doing is wrong BUT from THEIR POV this is their thinking.


Now when it comes to the war going on right now:

Ukrainians said 4000 Russians died. Russians said only 2 died and then next day 500 died, so the truth is probably a 1000 dead. In a week. It's horribly poor.

Their ruble is now 121 to the dollar from 78. A week more it'll be Rupee level, sanctioned by every western company from Apple to Microsoft, their national airline about to go bankrupt, their biggest tech companies defaulting, they haven't opened their stock exchange yet either for a week, they had saved 650 billion dollars for this war, most of which they can't probably access now, all Putin's rich oligarchs sanctioned, for a country who spends 70 billion a year on military this is back breaking Their 50 miles long convoy outside Kiev still stuck, bogged down by breakdowns, stuck in mud. Twitter has audio of their soldiers talking from different units, no secure lines at all, their tanks on so many motorways stuck without petrol and being goaded by Ukrainians who ask them if they'd like a lift back to Moscow. They dropped paratroopers the first day near Kyiv without any back up or logistics, who were then routed. It's like they just went in without logistics or any planning, no supply lines, no support, nothing. Scores of videos online show Ukrainians climbing Russian tanks or lying on roads and the soldiers back away. They will win eventually but it's been a sheet show for them from start to finish. And even if they win and install a puppet, there is no way that puppet won't be overthrown.
Any country on their borders will have no fear of being rolled over.

NATO share massive blame too, they know they can't face Russia directly so are throwing the Ukrainians under the bus, goading them more and more. And the result is destruction and civilians getting killed.
 
I'm not even gonna pretend I know what's happening. Russia has decimated Syria, arguably a country of undeniably greater heritage and more developed in general prior its wreckage.

I remember the Russian invasion of Ingushetia and how that was a big deal but the outpouring of support and Ukrainian love in, similar to when s terrorist attack occurs bit on a grander scale, is truly bizarre as instead of a cold war, it'll actually be the lack of hearing, heavily reliant on Russia, that will kill many more.

Russia saved Syria. It was decimated before they got involved in miliary options at the request of the government. Remember Nato was arming Al-Qaeda, allowing ISIS to run around killing people, helping ISIS to ship oil to Turkey. Next would have been Iran , leading to a much more serious war than we have now with Ukraine.

To Stand with Ukraine is to stand with Nato/Israel. I'd rather eat my own flesh.
 
Russia saved Syria. It was decimated before they got involved in miliary options at the request of the government. Remember Nato was arming Al-Qaeda, allowing ISIS to run around killing people, helping ISIS to ship oil to Turkey. Next would have been Iran , leading to a much more serious war than we have now with Ukraine.

To Stand with Ukraine is to stand with Nato/Israel. I'd rather eat my own flesh.

You support Assad?!

There is no side here and to try and find one is futile

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ged-thousands-trapped-in-ukraines-small-towns

Isis were to Syria what Azov are to Ukraine. Funny the narrative has changed
 
Why would anybody vote for "I support the Russian invasion of Ukraine"? Who wants war and death?

There are 5 votes for that option at the moment. Dare I say, it's not a flattering list to be on either.
 
Why would anybody vote for "I support the Russian invasion of Ukraine"? Who wants war and death?

There are 5 votes for that option at the moment. Dare I say, it's not a flattering list to be on either.

I dont know but based on some of my circles FB replies, it seems that most desis are blindly supporting Russia
I can imagine Indians supporting Russia(same way Pakistanis support China), but Bengalis and Pakistanis posting " I stand with Russia" look cringe
 
I dont know but based on some of my circles FB replies, it seems that most desis are blindly supporting Russia
I can imagine Indians supporting Russia(same way Pakistanis support China), but Bengalis and Pakistanis posting " I stand with Russia" look cringe

I don't think anyone is supporting the massacre of innocent people. No sane person would do that.

It has probably more to do with the double standard of Nato/USA.

When millions of people died in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan did you see the same reactions/sanctions from the World against USA? And please don't start lecturing about the situations in those countries prior to USA's involvement. It's a proven fact that majority of sufferings started after West's involvement.

So are Ukraines people more worth than people of the countries I listed above?

Again I don't think people are supporting the killings of the innocent people. It has more to do with the hypocrisy of the west and the holier than thou-attitude.
 
No support for the Russian invasion and the Ukrainian struggle is horrible.

We in the UK should partly feel responsible for the escalation, instead of pursuing the diplomacy route emphatically, we’ve been quick to give it up and have added more fuel to the fire.

There also is a big lack of responsibility on the NATO front who have positioned themselves as the good guys who can do no wrong and the western media have played a big part in that
 
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My take:


Russia has been attacked many times in their history. Some are their own fault, others not so. It's in their psyche to be alarmed at the thought of an invading army. Napoleon did it and then Hitler gave them catastrophes to which the world has never seen before or since.

Since the Soviet Union broke up their main fear has been their Western flank going to NATO or EU. Ukraine by its nature is very flat in large parts and very easy for an invading to gallop across right onto Moscow. Napoleon and Hitler did that to devastating effect and almost ended the Russians as a nation. Ukraine going to NATO and EU would have been a disaster for them, just like Mexico, Canada going to the Warsaw Pact would be for the US. I have travelled extensively, even lived in Eastern Europe, I still hold permanent residence there, there is no way those countries based on their economies or their corruption level be ready for EU or NATO. The only reason they have been put in NATO and EU is to isolate the Russians. Absolutely 100% anyone who's lived there would say the same.

Ukraine have been daft in how they went about this, they could have been neutral and said we realise ancient relations with Russia and we want to be part of the European family too and maybe we can bridge tensions between EU and Russia by staying neutral. And gradually down the line they should have consolidated their strength enough to deter Russia. Just like Russians have not gone near Finland. I am not saying this might have worked either but their current way didn't work either. Afghanistan should have done the same, when these countries are so poor and corrupt with little military power then showing a spine with nothing to back it up against is very bad tactics. I am not sure why Pakistanis are confused understanding this, as we have the exact same fear with Afghanistan hence us supporting the Taliban through the years.


Again please don't attack me, what Russia is doing is wrong BUT from THEIR POV this is their thinking.


Now when it comes to the war going on right now:

Ukrainians said 4000 Russians died. Russians said only 2 died and then next day 500 died, so the truth is probably a 1000 dead. In a week. It's horribly poor.

Their ruble is now 121 to the dollar from 78. A week more it'll be Rupee level, sanctioned by every western company from Apple to Microsoft, their national airline about to go bankrupt, their biggest tech companies defaulting, they haven't opened their stock exchange yet either for a week, they had saved 650 billion dollars for this war, most of which they can't probably access now, all Putin's rich oligarchs sanctioned, for a country who spends 70 billion a year on military this is back breaking Their 50 miles long convoy outside Kiev still stuck, bogged down by breakdowns, stuck in mud. Twitter has audio of their soldiers talking from different units, no secure lines at all, their tanks on so many motorways stuck without petrol and being goaded by Ukrainians who ask them if they'd like a lift back to Moscow. They dropped paratroopers the first day near Kyiv without any back up or logistics, who were then routed. It's like they just went in without logistics or any planning, no supply lines, no support, nothing. Scores of videos online show Ukrainians climbing Russian tanks or lying on roads and the soldiers back away. They will win eventually but it's been a sheet show for them from start to finish. And even if they win and install a puppet, there is no way that puppet won't be overthrown.
Any country on their borders will have no fear of being rolled over.

NATO share massive blame too, they know they can't face Russia directly so are throwing the Ukrainians under the bus, goading them more and more. And the result is destruction and civilians getting killed.

Excellent write up, sounds more like the truth than the baby talk we are being fed by the British media.
 
Russia had to do what it did knowing the repurcussions very well. Well played US/NATO.

Unfortunately, this highlights a failure of Russia's soft power, diplomacy, intelligence.

See what India has done in Bangladesh and now Sri Lanka. Nepal being a failure.

India's wars with smaller neighbours are of no consequence for the west, soft power had little to do with it.
 
One thing is certain…the hypocrites have been exposed.
 
You support Assad?!

There is no side here and to try and find one is futile

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ged-thousands-trapped-in-ukraines-small-towns

Isis were to Syria what Azov are to Ukraine. Funny the narrative has changed

I support Syria as a nation.

ISIS were/are evil. It was Russia and Putin who destroyed them not Nato. Nato was funding , arming terrorists in Syria. If Syria had fallen into their hands, a war with Iran was next.

I dont support ISIS and dont support Azov but these so called liberals were against ISIS are now supporting NeoNazis who use pig fat on their weapons.
 
Excellent write up, sounds more like the truth than the baby talk we are being fed by the British media.

Yup I agree completely, the media have been a joke. I think for Boris its been a God send, he was under massive pressure due to the COVID party pictures scandal and now all that seems to have been forgotten.
 
Yup I agree completely, the media have been a joke. I think for Boris its been a God send, he was under massive pressure due to the COVID party pictures scandal and now all that seems to have been forgotten.

You are right and Boris has taken full advantage of this opportunity as the PM.

Our PM certainly enjoys a lot of good fortune in his career, undeservedly so and for no apparent reason whatsoever. A prize winning blag artist.

Better lucky than good as they say.
 
I don't think anyone is supporting the massacre of innocent people. No sane person would do that.

It has probably more to do with the double standard of Nato/USA.

When millions of people died in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan did you see the same reactions/sanctions from the World against USA? And please don't start lecturing about the situations in those countries prior to USA's involvement. It's a proven fact that majority of sufferings started after West's involvement.

So are Ukraines people more worth than people of the countries I listed above?

Again I don't think people are supporting the killings of the innocent people. It has more to do with the hypocrisy of the west and the holier than thou-attitude.

Hypocrisy is not the monopoly of west

Saudis support bombing Shia Yemenis

Iranians supported bombing Syrian sunnis in Aleppo

Pakistanis act blind when China does something wrong

Southern Indian Muslims cry over RSS but support official Indian stance on Kashmir

Bangladeshis cry foul over one injustice but were ok with keeping Urdu speakers in camos after 1971

So on and so forth

Why do Pakistanis care more for Kashmiri Muslims than Muslims in Africa ? Because of cultural links


Similarly westerners care more for Ukraine than brown people due to cultural links

Yes it is hypocrisy, but that is practiced by most nations nowadays
 
Hypocrisy is not the monopoly of west

Saudis support bombing Shia Yemenis

Iranians supported bombing Syrian sunnis in Aleppo

Pakistanis act blind when China does something wrong

Southern Indian Muslims cry over RSS but support official Indian stance on Kashmir

Bangladeshis cry foul over one injustice but were ok with keeping Urdu speakers in camos after 1971

So on and so forth

Why do Pakistanis care more for Kashmiri Muslims than Muslims in Africa ? Because of cultural links


Similarly westerners care more for Ukraine than brown people due to cultural links

Yes it is hypocrisy, but that is practiced by most nations nowadays

well said!

Its more of a convenient selective outrage
 
Hypocrisy is not the monopoly of west

Saudis support bombing Shia Yemenis

Iranians supported bombing Syrian sunnis in Aleppo

Pakistanis act blind when China does something wrong

Southern Indian Muslims cry over RSS but support official Indian stance on Kashmir

Bangladeshis cry foul over one injustice but were ok with keeping Urdu speakers in camos after 1971

So on and so forth

Why do Pakistanis care more for Kashmiri Muslims than Muslims in Africa ? Because of cultural links


Similarly westerners care more for Ukraine than brown people due to cultural links

Yes it is hypocrisy, but that is practiced by most nations nowadays

You questioned why some desis stand with Russia and I told you what the reason could be. What you have listed doesn't dismiss my point at all, so don't know what you tried to to say? Americans have done what Russia are doing now to many countries.
 
We have already done things that seemed impossible. We need economic support and security guarantees for the nations who have suffered because of Russia, says Ukrainian President Zelenskyy at the European Political Community summit

Source: Sky News
 
Putin Quietly Signals He Is Open to a Cease-Fire in Ukraine

President Vladimir V. Putin’s confidence seems to know no bounds.

Buoyed by Ukraine’s failed counteroffensive and flagging Western support, Mr. Putin says that Russia’s war goals have not changed. Addressing his generals on Tuesday, he boasted that Ukraine was so beleaguered that Russia’s invading troops were doing “what we want.”

“We won’t give up what’s ours,” he pledged, adding dismissively, “If they want to negotiate, let them negotiate.”

But in a recent push of back-channel diplomacy, Mr. Putin has been sending a different message: He is ready to make a deal.

Mr. Putin has been signaling through intermediaries since at least September that he is open to a cease-fire that freezes the fighting along the current lines, far short of his ambitions to dominate Ukraine, two former senior Russian officials close to the Kremlin and American and international officials who have received the message from Mr. Putin’s envoys say.

In fact, Mr. Putin also sent out feelers for a cease-fire deal a year earlier, in the fall of 2022, according to American officials. That quiet overture, not previously reported, came after Ukraine routed Russia’s army in the country’s northeast. Mr. Putin indicated that he was satisfied with Russia’s captured territory and ready for an armistice, they said.

Mr. Putin, the current and former officials said, sees a confluence of factors creating an opportune moment for a deal: a battlefield that seems stuck in a stalemate, the fallout over Ukraine’s disappointing offensive, its flagging support in the West, and, since October, the distraction of the war in Gaza. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity, like others interviewed for this article, because of the sensitive nature of the back-channel overtures.

Responding to written questions after declining an interview request, Mr. Putin’s spokesman, Dmitri S. Peskov, said in a voice message that “сonceptually, these theses you presented, they are incorrect.” Asked whether Russia was ready for a cease-fire at the current battle lines, he pointed to the president’s recent comments; Mr. Putin said this month that Russia’s war goals had not changed.

“Putin is, indeed, ready for talks, and he has said so,” Mr. Peskov said. “Russia continues to be ready, but exclusively for the achievement of its own goals.”

Ukraine has been rallying support for its own peace formula, which requires Moscow to surrender all captured Ukrainian territory and pay damages. President Volodymyr Zelensky said Tuesday that he saw no sign that Russia wanted to negotiate.

Source : The New York Times
 
Ukraine claims to down three Russian fighter-bomber jets

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy and military officials said the country's forces shot down three Russian Su-34 fighter-bomber aircraft on Friday on the southern front, hailing it as a success in the 22-month-old war.

The Russian military made no mention of the incident. But Russian bloggers acknowledged the loss, and analysts suggested US-supplied Patriot missiles had probably been used.

Reuters could not independently confirm the reports.

"Today at noon in the southern sector -- minus three Russian Su-34 fighter-bombers!" Ukrainian Air Force Commander Mykola Oleshchuk wrote on the Telegram messaging app.

Air Force spokesperson Yuri Ihnat described it on national television as a "brilliantly planned operation."

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"There haven't been Su-34s for some time in our positive statistics," he said, citing the model as one of Russia's most modern aircraft for bombing and other assaults.

Zelenskiy in his nightly video address praised the Odesa region anti-aircraft unit for downing the planes in Kherson region.

The region was occupied in the first days of Moscow's February 2022 invasion. Ukrainian forces have sought to regain territory and in November established positions on the eastern bank of the Dnipro River in Kherson.

Eurasia Daily, a Russia-based journal, said the Ukrainian account was plausible. Kyiv could have launched Patriot missiles, which have a range of up to 160 km (100 miles) against high-altitude targets, from the western side of the Dnipro River, it said.

Ukrainian aviation expert Valeriy Romanenko told Ukrainian NV Radio he believed Patriot missiles most likely downed the Russian jets.

"This was a situation there the Russians were...dropping up to 100 bombs in the south. Three were flying together and got caught. They didn't quite take into account that the Patriot has a range of 160 km for aerodynamic targets," Romanenko said.

Ukrainian successes have become less frequent since its forces made lightning gains a year ago in retaking Russian-held territory in the northeast and in the south.

A counteroffensive launched in the east and south in June has had limited progress. Zelenskiy acknowledges that gains have been slower than hoped but has dismissed assertions by the military commander in chief, General Valeriy Zaluzhnyi, that the war has entered a phase of "attrition" requiring a change in tactics.

Source : The Express Tribune
 
Ukraine-Russia war – live: Kyiv marks first Christmas on December 25 as Moscow shelling kills four in Kherson

Ukraine is prepared to officially celebrate Christmas for the first time on 25 December in a landmark change to the country’s traditions.

The Russian Orthodox Church observes the birth of Jesus on January 7. Monday marks the first time Ukraine will celebrate seperately from Russia.

Volodymyr Zelensky signed legislation in July moving the public Christmas Day holiday to December 25.

The president reassured Ukrainians fighting against Russia’s full-scale invasion of the country that “step by step, day by day, the darkness is losing”.

“Today, this is our common goal, our common dream. And this is precisely what our common prayer is for today. For our freedom. For our victory. For our Ukraine,” Mr Zelensky said.

It comes as a child has been killed in a Russian attack on Ukraine as Vladimir Putin warned the West of “serious consequences” over reports Kyiv may receive seized Kremlin assets.

The child was killed along with three other civilians in strikes on Kherson Oblast over the last day, the region’s governor said.

Source : The Independent
 
Ukraine-Russia war – live: Kyiv marks first Christmas on December 25 as Moscow shelling kills four in Kherson

Ukraine is prepared to officially celebrate Christmas for the first time on 25 December in a landmark change to the country’s traditions.

The Russian Orthodox Church observes the birth of Jesus on January 7. Monday marks the first time Ukraine will celebrate seperately from Russia.

Volodymyr Zelensky signed legislation in July moving the public Christmas Day holiday to December 25.

The president reassured Ukrainians fighting against Russia’s full-scale invasion of the country that “step by step, day by day, the darkness is losing”.

“Today, this is our common goal, our common dream. And this is precisely what our common prayer is for today. For our freedom. For our victory. For our Ukraine,” Mr Zelensky said.

It comes as a child has been killed in a Russian attack on Ukraine as Vladimir Putin warned the West of “serious consequences” over reports Kyiv may receive seized Kremlin assets.

The child was killed along with three other civilians in strikes on Kherson Oblast over the last day, the region’s governor said.

Source : The Independent
It must be smart moving the Christmas's date, it would help so much winning the war given that Zelensky is such an experienced, deeply-rooted politician, in contrast to a former KGB guy who has been ruling Russia for the past two decades.
 
Ukraine’s hopes for victory fade in the face of waning Western support and Putin’s relentless war machine

A year ago, a resolute President Volodymyr Zelensky traveled direct from the battlefield of Bakhmut to address the US Congress and meet with President Joe Biden. He was feted as a hero; Ukraine’s determination to resist Russian aggression met with strong bipartisan backing in Washington.

One year on, the outlook looks much grimmer. A long-anticipated Ukrainian offensive in the south has made scant progress. Russia appears to have weathered international sanctions, for now, and has converted its economy into a war machine.

The Russian way of war, absorbing hideous losses of men and materiel but throwing yet more into the fight, has blunted the Ukrainian military’s tactical and technological edge, as its top general admitted in a candid essay last month.

The mood in Moscow seems grimly determined: the goals of the “special military operation” will be achieved, and the fighting will continue until they are.

President Joe Biden speaks at the Wisconsin Black Chamber of Commerce, Wednesday, Dec. 20, 2023, in Milwaukee.

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As the long frontline becomes ever more calcified, the Kremlin senses greater skepticism among Kyiv’s Western backers that Ukraine can recover the 17% of its territory still occupied by Russian forces.

Russian President Vladimir Putin is relishing the much more partisan atmosphere in Washington, where many in the Republican Party are questioning the purpose of sending Ukraine another $61 billion worth of aid as requested by the Biden administration, assessing that it will achieve little on the battlefield.

At his first year-end news conference since the conflict began, Putin scoffed: “Ukraine produces almost nothing today, everything is coming from the West, but the free stuff is going to run out some day, and it seems it already is.”

SOURCE : CNN
 
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