Which aspect is the current Pakistani team worst in - batting, bowling or fielding?

[Thunderbolt14]

For those who said, bowling was our worst aspect.
83/4 before lunch on first day of the second test.

And you want our bowlers to win us the games. By doing what? Get all NZ team out under 100?

Well, now we’re about to bring up 250 on a green mamba. We also have solid replacements available and know exactly who the dead weight is, plus Babar isn’t playing.

Can we take 20 wickets though? And with Abbas losing form quickly who do we replace him with? If we being Hassan into the team, is Naseem at full fitness as enforcer? Who is our strike spinner? Can Zafar replace Yasir? If we play two spinners in Asia, who is the second spinner? Do we call up Zahid Mehmood? Sajid Khan?

There’s a lot more problems in the bowling unit than the batting unit.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Well, now we’re about to bring up 250 on a green mamba. We also have solid replacements available and know exactly who the dead weight is, plus Babar isn’t playing.

Can we take 20 wickets though? And with Abbas losing form quickly who do we replace him with? If we being Hassan into the team, is Naseem at full fitness as enforcer? Who is our strike spinner? Can Zafar replace Yasir? If we play two spinners in Asia, who is the second spinner? Do we call up Zahid Mehmood? Sajid Khan?

There’s a lot more problems in the bowling unit than the batting unit.

I tend to stick to my guns.
On the surface, yes we got the runs which look quite a lot considering the value and worth of our batting but if you go granular, you may notice that quite a few runs came thru the edges that went thru the slips area. We got very lucky there, and then Faheem was dropped at 4. It was sitter. We got lucky again. Yes, it’s all part of the game.

However, if we were to bowl first on this wicket, I think we would’ve done much better than the first match’s first innings.

Let’s see how the game pans out as it’s only day one.

Wishing our team all the best and hope that they will square the series.

 

[BreadPakoda]

~300 on this pitch is a respectable total. Fair to say the batsmen did their job this time.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

~300 on this pitch is a respectable total. Fair to say the batsmen did their job this time.

Many in here are unable to grasp the idea and connect the dots when they compare THIS batting line and THIS bowling attack to figure out which is (marginally) worse.

Here is what it is.

When you bat, your performance is 99% solo. You are not dependent on fellow team mates unless you get a wrong run out call from the other batsman (that’s why 1% room)

But when you bowl, your performance and effectiveness has a HUGE dependency on the support of fielders.

In this particular TEST series, you are up against some very good batsmen in their home ground. You give them an inch and they will take a yard. These are not Fahim Ashrafs. These are Kane Williamsons - you blink and they will shaft you.

It’s very tough for these class of bowlers. They can only do so much.
These are not Wasim Abrams who will dismiss Dravids on two consecutive balls. Don’t expect KW will give a chance after chance in charity. You drop catches and these batsmen will slaughter you. And that’s what’s going on.

Bowlers did their part according to their worth but the fielding simply wasn’t there.

 

[Shoaib88]

Many in here are unable to grasp the idea and connect the dots when they compare THIS batting line and THIS bowling attack to figure out which is (marginally) worse.

Here is what it is.

When you bat, your performance is 99% solo. You are not dependent on fellow team mates unless you get a wrong run out call from the other batsman (that’s why 1% room)

But when you bowl, your performance and effectiveness has a HUGE dependency on the support of fielders.

In this particular TEST series, you are up against some very good batsmen in their home ground. You give them an inch and they will take a yard. These are not Fahim Ashrafs. These are Kane Williamsons - you blink and they will shaft you.

It’s very tough for these class of bowlers. They can only do so much.
These are not Wasim Abrams who will dismiss Dravids on two consecutive balls. Don’t expect KW will give a chance after chance in charity. You drop catches and these batsmen will slaughter you. And that’s what’s going on.

Bowlers did their part according to their worth but the fielding simply wasn’t there.

Have to agree with you here. Also POTW for me.

 

[Savak]

Many in here are unable to grasp the idea and connect the dots when they compare THIS batting line and THIS bowling attack to figure out which is (marginally) worse.

Here is what it is.

When you bat, your performance is 99% solo. You are not dependent on fellow team mates unless you get a wrong run out call from the other batsman (that’s why 1% room)

But when you bowl, your performance and effectiveness has a HUGE dependency on the support of fielders.

In this particular TEST series, you are up against some very good batsmen in their home ground. You give them an inch and they will take a yard. These are not Fahim Ashrafs. These are Kane Williamsons - you blink and they will shaft you.

It’s very tough for these class of bowlers. They can only do so much.
These are not Wasim Abrams who will dismiss Dravids on two consecutive balls. Don’t expect KW will give a chance after chance in charity. You drop catches and these batsmen will slaughter you. And that’s what’s going on.

Bowlers did their part according to their worth but the fielding simply wasn’t there.

Not sure whether Naseem Shah, Abbass did their parts at all. Faheem and Shaheen did what was expected from them.

 

[Last Monetarist]

I see that people are still willing to die on the hill that the Pakistani bowlers aren't that bad, and it's the fielding that's the main cause for concern.

A swarm of blind bats probably have more insight on the game.

 

[Mamoon]

The dropped catches doesn’t just the fact that the bowling is comically bad. You cannot blame fielders when you are conceding runs at an ODI rate.

 

[Shoaib88]

I see that people are still willing to die on the hill that the Pakistani bowlers aren't that bad, and it's the fielding that's the main cause for concern.

A swarm of blind bats probably have more insight on the game.

I think the point is that Pakistan's disgusting fielding isn't helping the bowlers...

 

[sam_ahm]

Pakistan is poor in all three aspects, you know things are bad when you try to figure out which one is worse amongst the three.

Fielding for me is probably the worst, followed by batting and then bowling.

Babar is the lone good batsmen Pakistan have atm, and even he is not as good as people here make him out to be, he is like a big fish in a small pond.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

I tend to stick to my guns.
On the surface, yes we got the runs which look quite a lot considering the value and worth of our batting but if you go granular, you may notice that quite a few runs came thru the edges that went thru the slips area. We got very lucky there, and then Faheem was dropped at 4. It was sitter. We got lucky again. Yes, it’s all part of the game.

However, if we were to bowl first on this wicket, I think we would’ve done much better than the first match’s first innings.

Let’s see how the game pans out as it’s only day one.

Wishing our team all the best and hope that they will square the series.

How do you feel now? 297 by the batting unit (without Babar) but the bowling unit (full strength) has let NZ to 270/3.

I genuinely don’t think we have the ability to take 20 wickets in a match.

 

[PerfectionPersonified]

it has to be Bowling , fielding and then batting. Nassem should have been dropped for an experienced bowler. Abbas is harmless trundler now. The only bowler which deserved to play is Shaheen.

 

[Third Man]

I see that people are still willing to die on the hill that the Pakistani bowlers aren't that bad, and it's the fielding that's the main cause for concern.

A swarm of blind bats probably have more insight on the game.

I really don't know whether to feel sorry or get angry at this lot. I mean it's painfully obvious that our bowling is school-level. I just read in another thread that Pakistan's bowling is as good as India's if you remove Bumrah.

I know it's hard to admit and some of these guys living abroad are very "patriotic", but come on guys, reality is reality.

 

[hur rizvi]

Pakistan is poor in all three aspects, you know things are bad when you try to figure out which one is worse amongst the three.

Fielding for me is probably the worst, followed by batting and then bowling.

Babar is the lone good batsmen Pakistan have atm, and even he is not as good as people here make him out to be, he is like a big fish in a small pond.

I agree but definitely it's bowling followed by fielding. Although we are below par in each discipline

 

[shah_1]

The dropped catches doesn’t just the fact that the bowling is comically bad. You cannot blame fielders when you are conceding runs at an ODI rate.

Forget Wasim and Waqar. I miss the era of fully fit Umar Gul, and Wahab Riaz bowling together. That is how bad our fast bowling has become

 

[Markhor]

Our bowling, particularly new ball bowling, has been appalling for some time.

Even in our worst batting eras, I still felt we had the ability to take 20 wickets. Now you cannot say the same.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

How do you feel now? 297 by the batting unit (without Babar) but the bowling unit (full strength) has let NZ to 270/3.

I genuinely don’t think we have the ability to take 20 wickets in a match.

Already replied in post # 84.
If taking 20 wickets is hard then it's also hard t win TEST matches when your batting cannot put 400 runs on the board.
See the logic in post #84 when you compare batting vs bowling.

I already replied

 

[MesonK]

Pakistani attack is not very bad, Dropped catches are the problem

yes they are not very good but isn't it the disgraceful fielders in the field that destroy bowlers and give multiple lives to ppl like Kane W and blame goes to bowlers ?

Abbas and Shaheen both create chances and someone in the field ruin it and when the batsmen goes on to score a 100 ppl start talking about how bad the bowlers are. Yes they are bad but fielders are making them looking worst.

 

[lahoriyah1234]

I think Pakistan will make a comeback today. Actually its not the Batsmen who led us down, its been the bowling which has been v poor in overseas. Someone stated in media youtube channel that Pakistani batsmen average is better than Indian batting in the last 4 years of average.

So we go lady gaga about our bowling but its a fact we have failed to find a good pace bowlers since Amir and Asif.

 

[Slog]

No the bowling attack is atrocious. We have always dropped catches and the bowling never looked this hopeless

 

[Shoaibbtt]

yes they are not very good but isn't it the disgraceful fielders in the field that destroy bowlers and give multiple lives to ppl like Kane W and blame goes to bowlers ?

Abbas and Shaheen both create chances and someone in the field ruin it and when the batsmen goes on to score a 100 ppl start talking about how bad the bowlers are. Yes they are bad but fielders are making them looking worst.

Who's been the main culprit in the fielding???

 

[Savak]

It is possible to get unassisted wickets via bowled, lbws as well provided you have the quality

 

[Shoaibbtt]

~300 on this pitch is a respectable total. Fair to say the batsmen did their job this time.

Certainly with those conditions on day 1 it was a bowler's paradise but it's fair to say the bowling has flopped. You have Abbas/Shaheen applying pressure on one end and then Naseem releasing it with his wayward bowling.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Already replied in post # 84.
If taking 20 wickets is hard then it's also hard t win TEST matches when your batting cannot put 400 runs on the board.
See the logic in post #84 when you compare batting vs bowling.

I already replied

What about now

Granted some catches have been dropped so maybe fielding leapfrogs everything else, but we do have a bigger issue in bowling than batting (again, especially if you factor in Babar).

NZ looks set for 750+ now.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

What about now

Granted some catches have been dropped so maybe fielding leapfrogs everything else, but we do have a bigger issue in bowling than batting (again, especially if you factor in Babar).

NZ looks set for 750+ now.

What about it? You tell me.
You expected any different after the chances that were missed?

I think somehow you unconsciously keep yearning (like many of us do) to have the two W's kinda bowling attack. These are NOT two Ws level bowlers so expectation should be set accordingly. They did what they were worth. They can't make KW give 5 chances.

Here is how perhaps we can put in a better structure.

Which is the worse aspect of our cricket team? Batting or "Bowling and Fielding", Combined?

Either choice you pick, the margin is not big, IMO.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

What about it? You tell me.
You expected any different after the chances that were missed?

I think somehow you unconsciously keep yearning (like many of us do) to have the two W's kinda bowling attack. These are NOT two Ws level bowlers so expectation should be set accordingly. They did what they were worth. They can't make KW give 5 chances.

Here is how perhaps we can put in a better structure.

Which is the worse aspect of our cricket team? Batting or "Bowling and Fielding", Combined?

Either choice you pick, the margin is not big, IMO.

Bowling and fielding combined doubles the issue then, because batting still mustered 300 after being put into bat without Babar.

I’m not yearning for the two W’s or for Mohammad Asif, but I do think Abbas is absolutely toothless and his lack of success with the new ball consistently hurts the rest of the pacers. Even if he is dropped, he is not asking Rizwan to come up to the stumps when the average is 6 times worse compared to when a batsman is in the crease.

Shaheen is better than any of our batsmen and is performing at his expected output. Naseem shouldn’t be playing in the current state he’s in with Waqar destroying him completely, otherwise a full strength Naseem is indeed very good and in that case the margin does drop between batting and bowling.

The current state though has Shaheen as essentially the only bowler in the team.

 

[Firebat]

Is all of the above an option? Genuinely can't decide which aspect is the worst.

 

[shamaan]

Can't even decide wich one is worse at the moment

 

[MenInG]

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[PakPremi]

Obviously batting, never give our bowlers enough runs to play with. Even of the bowl out oppositions doe lowish scores Pak score even lower. Top 3 is very shaky and bottom 3 too (Yasir should bat lower than Hasan Ali).