Which country has the best fast bowling talent?

[JeffThommo_fan]

I dont think any team has good fast bowlers

Anyione around and over 155kph is fast

145kph is fast medium and I dont care about that

Hahahhhhaha, so according to you there is no fast bowler in the world today right, coz there is no-one who can go above 155 k consistently.

 

[JeffThommo_fan]

Well i hope pak produces a good pacer very soon because we need someone with pace right now we are stuck with cheema.I have heard a lot of good things about u19 pacer zia ul haq i have high hopes from him

Yes, Pakistan really needs 1 or 2 Pakistan type pacers atm. I tell you something. People used to say that we Indians can't produce fast bowlers. But, at that time, we had some fast bowlers in our domestic circuit but still they were not given enough opportunities. Coz, the WC was in sub-continent and Dhoni's idea was to build a settled bowling combination for the WC. In subcontinent conditions, medium pacers are more effective than fast bowlers thats y, Nehra, Zaheer and Munaf was our bowling combination.

Now, keeping the next WC in mind as it is in Australian conditions, now every team is coming up with genuine pacers. Be it, India, Australia, South Africa or England. But surprisingly, Pakistan is lacking behind in fast bowlers and on the contrary, they are building the team around their spinners which is actually very hard to digest.

Historically, Pakistan used to unearth fast bowlers in no time but atm, it is quite opposite

 

[ares1000]

145 k is proper quick. 155k is RARE!

In terms of resources:

Australia

South Africa

England

No one else has too much to harp on about.

 

[IgnitedMind]

India...

Umesh yadav ftw

 

[greekscavenger]

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Please tell me that was sarcasm?

 

[Random Aussie]

Hate to burst a bubble but England actually have only one fast bowler (Finn) and another bowler who can bowl fast if he wants to (Broad). The others are medium pacers.

The Australian and South African bowlers are not necessarily better than the English, but they are a lot faster.

 

[greekscavenger]

Tremlett and Bresnan can both bowl high 80's.

That's atleast Fast-Medium.. Hell, if McGrath is medium then England's bowlers are definetely not medium.

We've also got Stuart Meaker, who apparently bowls faster than Steven Finn. I stress the word apparently. He's also the fastest english bowler to have ever been clocked by the ECB academy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/oct/01/stuart-meaker-international-england

 

[Random Aussie]

Forgot Bresnan, he does have pace.

Tremlett is a trundler in terms of pace. He is McGrath speed.

Meaker eh? He is not the fastest English anything because he isnt English, he is South African.

 

[greekscavenger]

Not this again.

Guy lived in UK since he was 10. Went to Cranleigh school for god sakes, learnt every single bit of his trade here in the UK. How does he not qualify?

 

[akheR]

Tremlett and Bresnan can both bowl high 80's.

That's atleast Fast-Medium.. Hell, if McGrath is medium then England's bowlers are definetely not medium.

We've also got Stuart Meaker, who apparently bowls faster than Steven Finn. I stress the word apparently. He's also the fastest english bowler to have ever been clocked by the ECB academy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/oct/01/stuart-meaker-international-england

Are you sure that he's faster than Finn ? Looked quite ordinary during the ODIs he played v. India TBH, was in the mid-80s I think, and Finn definitely outplayed him (not only in terms of pace - effortlessly in the 90s -, but also taking wickets.)

Though some months ago I've read about some 2m tall 17 years-old (I think ?) English (as English ) domestic bowler who's a future beast, but totally forgot his name.
Another one who was a good prospect, fast and an intelligent bowler, is Chris Woakes, but doesn't really deliver since some time now.

 

[greekscavenger]

Look on the link, apparently Surrey says he's bowled 96Mph before.

 

[Random Aussie]

Not this again.

Guy lived in UK since he was 10. Went to Cranleigh school for god sakes, learnt every single bit of his trade here in the UK. How does he not qualify?

Deal with it mate. Your current number 1 ranking is due to you importing your two best batters from SA.

Five of your top seven were not born in your country.

And every new player you bring through, there is 50% chance they are South African.

There will be a time in the near future where more than half of your side will be South Africans. And you want to puff your chest out and brag how good your cricket team is - the point of that is to be proud of your own countrymen and how well they play the game.

And if you want to run around here trolling everyone about how great your cricket team is, well some can follow you round and point out the facts on your team composition.

 

[ninjafirstslip]

Deal with it mate. Your current number 1 ranking is due to you importing your two best batters from SA.

Five of your top seven were not born in your country.

And every new player you bring through, there is 50% chance they are South African.

There will be a time in the near future where more than half of your side will be South Africans. And you want to puff your chest out and brag how good your cricket team is - the point of that is to be proud of your own countrymen and how well they play the game.

And if you want to run around here trolling everyone about how great your cricket team is, well some can follow you round and point out the facts on your team composition.

Are you saying that does not make them British?
That somehow their efforts for English cricket is eroded by the fact they aren't born there?

Britain is a multicultural hub-deal with it.

 

[mr einstein]

Agree with the above emphatically. The only situation I have an issue with is when a player plays at international level for a major (non-associate) team before switching country, but this isn't the case for any of the English players.

 

[James]

The Australian and South African bowlers are not necessarily better than the English, but they are a lot faster.

Haha, has Random Aussie caught the PP disease at last?

 

[musaarthali]

Haha, has Random Aussie caught the PP disease at last?

thats Universal not only to this forum

 

[proud_pakistani]

Australia seems to be developing quite serious talent in terms of pace bowling. Cummins, Pattinson, Siddle, Hilfenhaus, Johnson,Starc, Rhino and the list goes on to other guys as well.

In Pakistans view atm no one quick enough to match the Aussies or the likes of Yadav or Steyn. Umar Gul,Cheema,Junaid Khan all medium pace. Have high hopes from Talha and Rahat Ali but we cant really say.

 

[Justcrazy]

No doubt Australia, plenty of options and all are International standard.

 

[TigerJat]

I think Pakistan will not be the top fast bowler producing country for long, a few reasons,

1. The current think tank prefers the spin option
2. There are no super star fast bowlers to idolize in Pakistan, in the 70s, 80s there was Imran, in the 90s, there was Wasim and Waqar, in the 2000s there was Shoaib Akhtar. Amir would've been the next one, but he will be out for 5 years, and then we don't know how good he will be. Umar Gul is good, but he is no superstar
3. We are playing most of our cricket in UAE, which does not seem to be conducive to Fast bowling at all

Australia and South Africa on teh other hand play on fast bouncy tracks,

 

[DRsohail]

Cheema is the victim of the cold, very conservative Management Period (Captain, Selectors, Board) of Pakistan cricket. At official 32, he is clocking constantly over 140+KM in UAE desert & one of the Bangladeshi batsmen told me that Aizaz seems to hit the bat, rather than other way round, after pitching even on these dead slow Mirpur tracks. He can swing the ball & I am sure, from his slingy action, he was clocking over 150KM occasionally, when he was 23. Still his average pace is better than most other Fast bowlers, even excluding deliberate slowers.


Inzi, the great player that he had been, was one of the most defensive & loyalist (I don't think he was biased) person as a captain - didn't allow many new comers. Since Imran he was probably the most powerful Captain, but used to rely on his own group & may be from his re-identified Islamic beliefs (Well, I have senior pals, who knew Inzi since '91-'92), had a preference of players, for their off the field life style. I think Butt was the only youngster during a period of '03-'07, that made into the Pak team regularly, whereas Pak won 2004 & 06 U-19 WC during these period & hardly any (or none) of those boys made it during Inzi's time.

Still, I think, Sami is the Fastest bowler in contemporary bowlers, purely for pace. I am sure, Rauf was much faster to have that sort of FC record in his 20s, Cheema was definitely FAST, there was another guy (Fahad Mashud, I guess) - the keeper was jumping to glove this lifters, still rising on dead tracks, I think Irshad was as fast as any one & there must be few others who can clock 150 KM occasionally, even on dead surface. Even, I have seen Mashrafee clocking 147KM; but yes, 155+ KM are different breed, born once in a generation.

I don't think ever there 'll be any short of Fast bowlers in Pakistan. Pace bowling is just not about what the Speed Gun telling, there is shoulder & wrist in it as well. If you bowl Fast, you 'll go for runs & unfortunately, in last few years, for the depth (or lack of it) of batting, every Pak Captain was very defensive to concede easy boundaries & I felt bowlers were instructed not to unleash pace. Also, I feel Aaquib is a very good bowling coach, but he is more of an English Condition Coach - line, length & discipline - 'll not encourage tearaway, but wayward raw pace. I watched Waquar being hammered away by Aussie batsmen in '89-'90 WSC, but Imran was pushing him for more pace. Within six months he got the control & went to Sharjha in April '90 & then to Surrey.

There is a fundamental difference between Pak Fast bowlers & Aussie or Proteus fast blowers - they bowl in different length. For the hard & scratchy tracks, Southern hemisphere fast bowlers try to hit the deck, while the Pak bowlers try to beat in air for the sort of horrible tracks they play. No one can bowl better, faster & lethal than Pak bowlers with the old ball, but since WW, I have seen Pak bowlers struggling to bowl Fast with the new ball. By the way, how Fast is is the current U-19 bowlers?

Bump with all being said in this post have been spot on [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] well done.