Which cricketer who debuted after 2000 has the best case to make an ATG World XI in Tests?

[shaz619]

It could be a batsman, bowler or all rounder.

As we know it's extremely competitive but which cricketer who made their debut in the 2000's has the best chance regardless of external factors such as conditions for example to make an all time great Test XI ?

 

[shaz619]

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[Ab Fan]

Steyn by a daylight.

 

[Princejain191]

Dale Steyn - brilliant in most countries, no bowler has been so far ahead of his contemporaries in any generation. And apparently the pitches have been batsmen friendly, so that makes it all the more amazing. In time, Ben Stokes - can bat in top 5, be a 3rd bowler and probably the best fielder in tests right now - can field well at any position. Then the batsmen can always be debated.

 

[Ab Fan]

Dale Steyn - brilliant in most countries, no bowler has been so far ahead of his contemporaries in any generation. And apparently the pitches have been batsmen friendly, so that makes it all the more amazing. In time, Ben Stokes - can bat in top 5, be a 3rd bowler and probably the best fielder in tests right now - can field well at any position. Then the batsmen can always be debated.

Stokes is nowhere near to be considered. You will put him at no.6 ahead of Sobers, Kallis, Miller, Imran and Botham. Even Flintoff has a stronger case.

Stokes is doing well but won't be in any ATG XI( first , second or third).

 

[amit]

Dale Steyn and maybe Virat Kohli & Steve Smith in future have a chance

 

[Princejain191]

Stokes is nowhere near to be considered. You will put him at no.6 ahead of Sobers, Kallis, Miller, Imran and Botham. Even Flintoff has a stronger case.

Stokes is doing well but won't be in any ATG XI( first , second or third).

Definitely not yet, but till the end of his career he may get in there. He should outdo Botham, Flintoff and Miller in my opinion. He is yet to peak. Ben Stokes is probably the most gifted cricketer we have right now.

 

[Ab Fan]

Definitely not yet, but till the end of his career he may get in there. He should outdo <B>Botham</B>, Flintoff and <B>Miller</B> in my opinion. He is yet to peak. Ben Stokes is probably the most gifted cricketer we have right now.

Botham and Miller are far far better bowlers than what stokes will ever be.

In terms of batting, Stokes can match those two if he continues to do well for long but he is not yet there.

Stokes is at Shakib level and shakib isn't making any ATG XI.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

According to me there are 5 strong contenders viz
Graeme smith, alaistair cook, virender sehwag, dale steyn, kumar sangakkara.
But Sangakkara is the most deserving candidate here

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Fawad Alam

On a serious note, it's Dale Steyn by a country stretch of a mile.

 

[DRsohail]

batting stev smith may be..bowling possibly steyn.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Dale Steyn and Kumar Sangakkara are equally deserving.

 

[Hasan123]

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Steyn isn't a better bowler than McGrath or Ambrose in tests.

I'll go with Graeme Smith,ATG captain and ATG batsmen in tests.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Dale wont stand a chance to get in the world atg eleven with bowlers like marshall, ambrose, mcgrath, wasim fighting for the spot but sangakkara will be the first pick for wicketkeeper batsman he has only one legitimate competitor i. e adam gilchrist

 

[Hasan123]

Sangakara is one of my all time favourites but as a pure batsmen he isn't better than Pointing,Viv,Lara,and Sachin in tests. These 4 would probably occupy the middle order in an all time test 11.

Steyn isn't a better bowler than McGrath,Ambi,Wasim,Marshall. I'll even take Donald over Steyn.

Whilst there aren't many openers other than Greenidge and Sunil better then Greame Smith. Furthermore he was a brilliant captain, in charge of a team who was number one and unabaten away from home for a sustained period of time.

 

[ads101]

Steyn is excellent, but I don't really see many picking him in the XI due to Ambrose, Marshall, Wasim and Lillee. Hardly features in anyone's XI. I think he's the best player after 2000 and really should, but I just don't see people regularly picking him.

Sangakaara ain't a wicketkeeper, he played as a test batsman when he had his test batting success. We don't know how he would have as a keeper too. And even then Gilchrist still wins in terms of wicketkeeper slot.

I think Graeme Smith has the best chance I think. Most put Hutton and Hobbs as openers, but that's a long time in the past, so it's likely in the future more recent players will be chosen in people's XI as hardly anyone will have seen any of those two play.

Steve Smith will probably have a good chance if he keeps performing like this, if he carries on like this he might surpass Ponting, who does get into quite a few ATG world XIs, and he seems a fair distance ahead of his peers.

 

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None to be honest.

Hypothetically, if he can play for 100+ Tests, with hist as of today figures, may be KoK has an outside chance to replace Gilly.

Cricket is a dying game - it's peak started to go into down slope at the start of this millennium. Besides, 2 of the major cricket power PAK & WI hasn't debuted any player in last 17 years that can make their AT 16. The game is learned and developed in FC system, which is neglected by every country day by day - once these generation ends, you won't see batsmen capable of batting 5/6 hours, neither bowlers with that skill. We are not experiencing that because the ABs and Smiths and Roots and Kohlis are still the product of FC cricket, then they went to T20 as a mature cricketer - next generation will come from T20 at the age of 20 ........

 

[Last Monetarist]

Steyn.

 

[Red Devil]

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Steyn and Sanga would be the best bets. Amla has also had a tremendous Test career so he's probably worth a mention too.

 

[Anik Sharma]

Shakib Al Hasan is the only candidate I see today.

 

[Sachin136]

Steyn and Sangakkara.

 

[troodon]

Sangakkara and may be in the future Steve Smith or Joe Root or Kohli.

 

[Buffet]

Dale Steyn. He is already better than pretty much all pacers, but getting into all time XI is also about striking a balance to put the best possible team. Still, Dale Steyn has the best chance.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Graeme Smith, Sangakkara, Steyn.

Graeme Swann has an outside chance considering how good he was before his elbow injury considering most people are of the opinion that murali chucked.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Also if you give some leeway to Adam Gilchrist, who debuted just 2 months shy of 2000 and had only played 5 Tests out of his tally of 96 pre 2000, he would be the definite guy in the all time XI

 

[bujhee kom]

Steyn by far - ATG pacer.

 

[Princejain191]

Botham and Miller are far far better bowlers than what stokes will ever be.

In terms of batting, Stokes can match those two if he continues to do well for long but he is not yet there.

Stokes is at Shakib level and shakib isn't making any ATG XI.

I cannot speak for miller because I haven't seen even a little of his batting, but as far as Botham's batting is concerned, Stokes is better by some distance.

Stokes bowls fast and is an amazing fielder. Shakib is not much effective outside Bangladesh but Stokes bowled well in England, Australia as well as in subcontinent (and batted well too). Stokes is a more complete all-rounder than any other today.

 

[dravidthewall]

Kaigos rabada

 

[Last Monetarist]

None to be honest.

Hypothetically, if he can play for 100+ Tests, with hist as of today figures, may be KoK has an outside chance to replace Gilly.

Cricket is a dying game - it's peak started to go into down slope at the start of this millennium. Besides, 2 of the major cricket power PAK & WI hasn't debuted any player in last 17 years that can make their AT 16. The game is learned and developed in FC system, which is neglected by every country day by day - once these generation ends, you won't see batsmen capable of batting 5/6 hours, neither bowlers with that skill. We are not experiencing that because the ABs and Smiths and Roots and Kohlis are still the product of FC cricket, then they went to T20 as a mature cricketer - next generation will come from T20 at the age of 20 ........

This has to be the most depressing piece of writing I've read this week, however, I have to agree with every word. The game is dying with almost no sign of respite on the horizon. The administrators have only hastened that demise over the past decade and I don't really see what steps they can take to stem the tide. Consumer behaviour has irrevocably changed and I don't see the new generation being interested in the longer forms of the game to keep it afloat.

There was a compelling series being played between Zimbabwe and the West Indies over the past fortnight but barely anyone was watching as there is no appetite for the product. Scheduling such series in the future would only put more pressure on cash-strapped boards such as the ZC or WICB, so it won't be rational to even countenance it. A test championship and collective bargaining over tv rights won't change that as the grounds would remain empty. In contrast, we've heard today that ZC are scheduling a meaningless T20 tournament next year with Pakistan and Australia. That is what the consumer demands right now and you can't blame ZC for chasing the money.

As stated in the quoted post, the quality of player being produced is declining which reiterates the rot that has set in. It's the way the game is headed until it finds it is no more.

 

[Godhelpma]

No one . Only steyn comes close but even he won't get a place in all time test XI.

 

[ads101]

This has to be the most depressing piece of writing I've read this week, however, I have to agree with every word. The game is dying with almost no sign of respite on the horizon. The administrators have only hastened that demise over the past decade and I don't really see what steps they can take to stem the tide. Consumer behaviour has irrevocably changed and I don't see the new generation being interested in the longer forms of the game to keep it afloat.

There was a compelling series being played between Zimbabwe and the West Indies over the past fortnight but barely anyone was watching as there is no appetite for the product. Scheduling such series in the future would only put more pressure on cash-strapped boards such as the ZC or WICB, so it won't be rational to even countenance it. A test championship and collective bargaining over tv rights won't change that as the grounds would remain empty. In contrast, we've heard today that ZC are scheduling a meaningless T20 tournament next year with Pakistan and Australia. That is what the consumer demands right now and you can't blame ZC for chasing the money.

As stated in the quoted post, the quality of player being produced is declining which reiterates the rot that has set in. It's the way the game is headed until it finds it is no more.

What will happen I feel is that cricket administrators will be faced with a choice, either to make T20 the main format and push it, or let cricket die entirely. T20s is the only one which fits the time constraints of most people, and even then it's 4 hours, longer than it's main rivals e.g. football, rugby,tennis etc. Not to mention the benefits of lower risks of injury, less home advantage and more competitive (as harder to predict who will win). We're in the era where people are paying thousands of pounds to watch UFC fights that last a few minutes. Not to mention it's probably easier to fit these T20 domestic leagues around other T20s.

If cricket potentially wants to make all 3 formats last, I think they'd have to do drastic measures, cut down tests to 3 days so it can be at a weekend (so people can watch it). Cut down ODIs to maybe 40 overs. Make cricket so it's convenient for people. Football often holds the matches at 7 or weekends when people get off work, and that's what cricket has to compete with. Even then I'm not sure it'll save them. It's a bit too late especially in tests, where they've just let things carry on the way it has despite the loss of interest.

 

[Sachin136]

Dale wont stand a chance to get in the world atg eleven with bowlers like marshall, ambrose, mcgrath, wasim fighting for the spot but sangakkara will be the first pick for wicketkeeper batsman he has only one legitimate competitor i. e adam gilchrist

A bowling attack of Marshall, McGrath and Steyn is as good as any.

 

[Bilal7]

Steyn, Amla, Sangakkara and ABD, if he's being considered a keeper-batsman.

 

[wrongun]

Probably Grahame Smith. His main contemporary competition for openers spots will be Cook (who he trumps) & Hayden- fans may be split evenly, very close. That is assuming Hobbs & Hutton can be left out as too hard to judge now.

Greenddge , Gavaskar will be his other partner or contenders. Greenidges stats & away form don't really stack up (higher % of match winning knocks due to him, or the strength of his bowlers turning runs into victories?).

Smith/Hayden (so similar that most will pick one & leave the other), Gavaskar is probably the best combo in the last 50 years.

And no, Sehwag is not a contender- not good enough away. Put him with Jayawardene.


Steyn is magnificent to watch and a champion bowler- but he's probably with Andy Roberts, Allan Donald, Courtney Walsh, Michael Holding etc as wonderful bowlers but how do you tip out McGrath, Lillee, Marshall, Ambrose, Wasim?

Let's try like for like again and assume we pick 3 quicks. McGrath/Ambrose had a similar enough skill set, height & style- admittedly some differences but if I'm putting together a perfect attack, they fill a similar role. 1 spot there.


Lillee/Akram- different arms, different careers but both quite complete & versatile. Some will regard Lillee as then ultimate fast bowler. Some will say he didn't do enough in Asia. Some will love the swing & style of Akram & want a left armer. Some will never pick him because of fixing & say Sobers bowled left. Again, either one will regular earn a spot in ATG teams. 1 spot there certainly, whoever you choose.

That leaves Steyn/Marshall as shorter, rapid swing bowlers. Tremendously close in stats, given the era Steyn bowled in. But good as he was Steyn was not as lethal in the backyards of the best batting units of his era, whereas Marshall was. Marshall will edge him out of most XI's I think.

Kohli, Root, AB, Smith- perhaps but each one needs a few epic series to really be in the conversation. Those ATG batting lineups are insanely strong.

 

[Hasan123]

Steyn, Amla, Sangakkara and ABD, if he's being considered a keeper-batsman.

Sir Bilal explain to me how Amla would get into a test 11 over Pointing,Border,Viv,Sachin,Lara,Border,Steve Waugh,Sangakara,Chappell brothers,Dravid,Kallis,Maindad,

Obviously not all of these players would get into an all time 11 but literally everyone on this forum apart from you will have these players above ahead of Amla.

 

[Bilal7]

Sir Bilal explain to me how Amla would get into a test 11 over Pointing,Border,Viv,Sachin,Lara,Border,Steve Waugh,Sangakara,Chappell brothers,Dravid,Kallis,Maindad,

Obviously not all of these players would get into an all time 11 but literally everyone on this forum apart from you will have these players above ahead of Amla.

Hasan, this thread is not about which players will get into an all-time XI but which players have the best chance out of all those that debuted in the 2000s. Amla is the best batsman of his generation and therefore has a better chance of getting into an all-time XI than everyone else who debuted in the 2000s.

 

[FreePalestine]

much as I hate to admit it, Steve Smith could be a strong contender if he keeps up his average. Not many cricketers who average close to 60.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Dale Steyn - undisputed ATG

 

[KingKhanWC]

I dont think Steyn could make the all time world XI when you have the likes of Marshall, Akram, McGrath and one allrounder such as Imran.

I cant see anyone after 2000 getting in sadly.

 

[Last Monetarist]

What will happen I feel is that cricket administrators will be faced with a choice, either to make T20 the main format and push it, or let cricket die entirely. T20s is the only one which fits the time constraints of most people, and even then it's 4 hours, longer than it's main rivals e.g. football, rugby,tennis etc. Not to mention the benefits of lower risks of injury, less home advantage and more competitive (as harder to predict who will win). We're in the era where people are paying thousands of pounds to watch UFC fights that last a few minutes. Not to mention it's probably easier to fit these T20 domestic leagues around other T20s.

If cricket potentially wants to make all 3 formats last, I think they'd have to do drastic measures, cut down tests to 3 days so it can be at a weekend (so people can watch it). Cut down ODIs to maybe 40 overs. Make cricket so it's convenient for people. Football often holds the matches at 7 or weekends when people get off work, and that's what cricket has to compete with. Even then I'm not sure it'll save them. It's a bit too late especially in tests, where they've just let things carry on the way it has despite the loss of interest.

I doubt shortening the duration of the longer formats would help. The lack of free time is just an excuse, you see empty stands for test matches even on weekends. In the age of instant gratification when attention spans are getting shorter by the second, people will keep screaming that they don't have time to pay attention to anything longer than whatever duration it is that is in vogue during that era and administrators would be forced to keep tinkering with the formats. 4 day tests, 3 day tests, 2 day tests etc. will all pale in comparison to what is the shortest format available. It's just the way society is progressing, and cricket with its inherent existential infatuation can't do anything about it.

You already have T20 franchise competitions as the priority for the majority of fans and players outside Australia and England, and the devaluation of 4 day first class cricket is only going to reduce the quality of test cricket being played such that even Ashes cricket will likely lose its lustre. I won't be surprised if men's cricket adopts the female version of multi-formatted series over the next 10 years, as the number of tests being played get cut.

My problem with the shorter formats is that there is often no context involved and you can't really differentiate between one match from another, unless it's a major World T20 match. It's sort of like comfort food or comic book movies, you know what you're getting but that doesn't necessarily mean there is any meaningful value or lasting benefit from that experience. There is of course a place for it, but you can't expect to make superficial constructs as the apex of any framework and hope for it to endure.

 

[giri26]

Between 2000-2010, it has to be Dale Steyn and Sangakkara. Not sure who will be in the future but Smith seems to be the logical choice at the moment.

 

[Hasan123]

Hasan, this thread is not about which players will get into an all-time XI but which players have the best chance out of all those that debuted in the 2000s. Amla is the best batsman of his generation and therefore has a better chance of getting into an all-time XI than everyone else who debuted in the 2000s.

Only in your parallel universe he has the best chance. He isn't even close to the players I mentioned, so he doesn't have a chance.

Furthermore it's only in your parallel universe that he's the best best batsmen of his generation. Most people would take An for Sangakara over Amla but your free to think what that Amla is the greatest batsmen ever.

 

[Haz95]

None to be honest.

Hypothetically, if he can play for 100+ Tests, with hist as of today figures, may be KoK has an outside chance to replace Gilly.

Cricket is a dying game - it's peak started to go into down slope at the start of this millennium. Besides, 2 of the major cricket power PAK & WI hasn't debuted any player in last 17 years that can make their AT 16. The game is learned and developed in FC system, which is neglected by every country day by day - once these generation ends, you won't see batsmen capable of batting 5/6 hours, neither bowlers with that skill. We are not experiencing that because the ABs and Smiths and Roots and Kohlis are still the product of FC cricket, then they went to T20 as a mature cricketer - next generation will come from T20 at the age of 20 ........

This. Cricket began it's peak in the late 70s, was highest in 80s/90s and then went back to 70s level in the early 00s. Now it's just going on a downward spirall. The ODI WC is the only genuine contender for being interesting for casuals...Ashes maybe too.

In order to be a contender for an ATXI, one has to be higher tier ATG among the level of Lara, Sachin, Viv, McGrath, Gilchrist, Marshall, IK. Players like Donald, Miandad, Waqar, Walsh, Bishop, Sanga will struggle to make an ATXI. Only elite higher tier players are genuine contenders and no one in this current era is capable.

If KP was more consistent, I could've seen him made it because he was Lara level whenever he crossed triple figures. Steyn is another probable case but there's an argument that he's not better than Marshall or McGrath who would be his competition for the right armer spor, nor is he considered higher tier ATG by much people. If Smith maintains his dominance for another 2/3 years he's a genuine contender- he needs to dominate on true English wickets, it's his final hurdle in the quest of being complete.

 

[CricFan2012]

So so easily steyn.

Compare him to his peers, he absolutely smashes them.

This man played in an era dominated by batsman, flat pitches, with t20 genes being infused into the test arena.

Imagine what steyn would have done during 80s and 90... I would choose him over Waqar, Donald with my eyes closed.

 

[Bilal7]

Only in your parallel universe he has the best chance. He isn't even close to the players I mentioned, so he doesn't have a chance.

Furthermore it's only in your parallel universe that he's the best best batsmen of his generation. Most people would take An for Sangakara over Amla but your free to think what that Amla is the greatest batsmen ever.

Sign up for some English classes. This thread is about batsmen who debuted in the 2000s, please tell me how many of those batsmen you mentioned meet this criteria.

Amla and Sangakkara are the two best batsmen of their generation and I mentioned both as having a chance to make an all-time XI.

9.5 Cook has zero chance however.

 

[Hasan123]

Sign up for some English classes. This thread is about batsmen who debuted in the 2000s, please tell me how many of those batsmen you mentioned meet this criteria.

Amla and Sangakkara are the two best batsmen of their generation and I mentioned both as having a chance to make an all-time XI.

9.5 Cook has zero chance however.

Yes keep resorting to personal remarks.

For Amla to have a chance to be in the 11 ,he would obviously have to be better than one of the middle order players in the 11, which he isn't even close.

Yes I know Cook wouldn't make the 11 that's why I didn't pick him. Unlike you I am capable of judging without bias. Cook isn't even my favourite England player. It's only in your head that Amla has a chance of making this 11.

My pick was Greame Smith because he has a realistic chance of making the 11. I didn't pick a middle order player as ones who started there careers after 2000 are not better than the likes of Lara,Sachin,Viv, and Bradman. So how do they have a chance of making the 11 when they aren't better than the people in the 11 ?

 

[shaz619]

Probably Grahame Smith. His main contemporary competition for openers spots will be Cook (who he trumps) & Hayden- fans may be split evenly, very close. That is assuming Hobbs & Hutton can be left out as too hard to judge now.

Greenddge , Gavaskar will be his other partner or contenders. Greenidges stats & away form don't really stack up (higher % of match winning knocks due to him, or the strength of his bowlers turning runs into victories?).

Smith/Hayden (so similar that most will pick one & leave the other), Gavaskar is probably the best combo in the last 50 years.

And no, Sehwag is not a contender- not good enough away. Put him with Jayawardene.


Steyn is magnificent to watch and a champion bowler- but he's probably with Andy Roberts, Allan Donald, Courtney Walsh, Michael Holding etc as wonderful bowlers but how do you tip out McGrath, Lillee, Marshall, Ambrose, Wasim?

Let's try like for like again and assume we pick 3 quicks. McGrath/Ambrose had a similar enough skill set, height & style- admittedly some differences but if I'm putting together a perfect attack, they fill a similar role. 1 spot there.


Lillee/Akram- different arms, different careers but both quite complete & versatile. Some will regard Lillee as then ultimate fast bowler. Some will say he didn't do enough in Asia. Some will love the swing & style of Akram & want a left armer. Some will never pick him because of fixing & say Sobers bowled left. Again, either one will regular earn a spot in ATG teams. 1 spot there certainly, whoever you choose.

That leaves Steyn/Marshall as shorter, rapid swing bowlers. Tremendously close in stats, given the era Steyn bowled in. But good as he was Steyn was not as lethal in the backyards of the best batting units of his era, whereas Marshall was. Marshall will edge him out of most XI's I think.

Kohli, Root, AB, Smith- perhaps but each one needs a few epic series to really be in the conversation. Those ATG batting lineups are insanely strong.

I was thinking along the same lines as you and [MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION], the problem for the likes of Steyn is competition. Graame Smith for me also has the best shot and is a criminally underrated bloke. For me Gavaskar has one of the opening slots nailed and the second one is open for debate, Hayden made his debut in the 90's so I didn't consider him. Greenidges numbers may not do him justice, those who have watched him during his prime and his peers especially point out how good he was plus it was very challenging to bat during that era, Sehwag was insane on flat wickets and he deserves a mention but Graeme Smith by far has been consistent all around the world in testing circumstances and he has also had to deal with the burden of captaincy as well.

 

[shaz619]

And @ the blokes who have not made a pick at all saying nobody from the 2000's would get in, that's not the point of this thread! for all I care all the contenders mentioned in this thread may not make a World XI but the question is who has the best chance ? that doesn't necessarily mean they would make the team for sure.

 

[Hasan123]

I was thinking along the same lines as you and [MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION], the problem for the likes of Steyn is competition. Graame Smith for me also has the best shot and is a criminally underrated bloke. For me Gavaskar has one of the opening slots nailed and the second one is open for debate, Hayden made his debut in the 90's so I didn't consider him. Greenidges numbers may not do him justice, those who have watched him during his prime and his peers especially point out how good he was plus it was very challenging to bat during that era, Sehwag was insane on flat wickets and he deserves a mention but Graeme Smith by far has been consistent all around the world in testing circumstances and he has also had to deal with the burden of captaincy as well.

Steyn is a terrific tesr bowler but he isn't better than Wasim,Ambi,McGrath,Marshall so it's difficult to place him in a all time test 11.


Smith is indeed underrated. Greenidge and Sunil are arguably the only test openers who are better than Smith. I'll take Smith over Sehwag and Hayden.

 

[shaz619]

Steyn is a terrific tesr bowler but he isn't better than Wasim,Ambi,McGrath,Marshall so it's difficult to place him in a all time test 11.


Smith is indeed underrated. Greenidge and Sunil are arguably the only test openers who are better than Smith. I'll take Smith over Sehwag and Hayden.

Me to, I was just having a look at Smith's numbers; out of 18 seasons of cricket which he played there were only 4 which you could say were not that great! that's outstanding. He would have an even better record if he was not carrying the burden of captaincy for so long, remember he was thrown at the deep end at such a young age; not a lot of people look back on that point, he has been under immense pressure from day one. He should be rated as an all time great and a cricketer who's mental fortitude powers were almost super human like. He's a throwback who'd have done well in any era.

 

[Mobashir]

Only Steyn. Maybe Smith one day but I don't he will be able to do it.

 

[Hasan123]

Me to, I was just having a look at Smith's numbers; out of 18 seasons of cricket which he played there were only 4 which you could say were not that great! that's outstanding. He would have an even better record if he was not carrying the burden of captaincy for so long, remember he was thrown at the deep end at such a young age; not a lot of people look back on that point, he has been under immense pressure from day one. He should be rated as an all time great and a cricketer who's mental fortitude powers were almost super human like. He's a throwback who'd have done well in any era.

The fact he was given the captaincy at such a young age is testament to his character. Ultimately having that responsibility for such a long time probably took it's tole on Smith. But I agree he would have done well in most eras.

Definitely an ATG for me.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Steyn is a terrific tesr bowler but he isn't better than Wasim,Ambi,McGrath,Marshall so it's difficult to place him in a all time test 11.


Smith is indeed underrated. Greenidge and Sunil are arguably the only test openers who are better than Smith. I'll take Smith over Sehwag and Hayden.

What made you think Steyn is not better than those bowlers. Marshall obviously was better but Steyn has a valid case to be better than everyone else you mentioned in tests.

 

[Hasan123]

What made you think Steyn is not better than those bowlers. Marshall obviously was better but Steyn has a valid case to be better than everyone else you mentioned in tests.

Steyn isn't better than McGrath. You are free to think what you want but not many people would take Steyn over McGrath, also most batsmen name Ambi,McGrath,and Wasim as the most feared bowlers they faced. Don't see many naming Steyn.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Steyn isn't better than McGrath. You are free to think what you want but not many people would take Steyn over McGrath, also most batsmen name Ambi,McGrath,and Wasim as the most feared bowlers they faced. Don't see many naming Steyn.

People will even pick Waqar over Steyn but it does not mean that Waqar was a better test bowler. Numbers do not lie, Steyn has done better than all of these bowlers. Picking 26 wickets in 9 innings against India in India that had Tendulkar, Dravid, Sehwag, Laxman, etc. is no joke.

 

[Hasan123]

People will even pick Waqar over Steyn but it does not mean that Waqar was a better test bowler. Numbers do not lie, Steyn has done better than all of these bowlers. Picking 26 wickets in 9 innings against India in India that had Tendulkar, Dravid, Sehwag, Laxman, etc. is no joke.

Yes he has some brilliant stats but for some reason he isn't rated highly by his peers, also I think if attacked Steyn can be got at. When he has players on the back foot and when he's in his zone, he is devastating.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Yes he has some brilliant stats but for some reason he isn't rated highly by his peers, also I think if attacked Steyn can be got at. When he has players on the back foot and when he's in his zone, he is devastating.

The same can be said about anyone. Do you know Andy once scored a double hundred and Grant a 150+ against Wasim?

 

[Hasan123]

The same can be said about anyone. Do you know Andy once scored a double hundred and Grant a 150+ against Wasim?

No I didn't but people don't call them better batsmen than Sachin. If Steyn is better than McGrath or Ambrose, why is he hardly rated by his peers and also McGrath and Ambrose weren't easy to get at,they were more accurate than Steyn.

Steyn is great test bowler and good ODI bowler. It wasn't until I joined PP did I realise that people thought Steyn was considered an ATG. Steyn is brilliant bowler just not as good t McGrath,Wasim,Ambrose,etc.

 

[wrongun]

Me to, I was just having a look at Smith's numbers; out of 18 seasons of cricket which he played there were only 4 which you could say were not that great! that's outstanding. He would have an even better record if he was not carrying the burden of captaincy for so long, remember he was thrown at the deep end at such a young age; not a lot of people look back on that point, he has been under immense pressure from day one. He should be rated as an all time great and a cricketer who's mental fortitude powers were almost super human like. He's a throwback who'd have done well in any era.

I was lucky enough to be at the test where Smith came out to face Johnson (in his first career peak- he'd already broken Kallis' ribs & split his chin & actually broke Smith's hand TWICE over the course of a "home & away" series across a few months) with only one hand at the SCG.

Smith was pretty unpopular in Oz at the time, having a it of a verbal war with the press/nation (took the heat of the rest of his team imo. Good move) but he got a spin tingling standing ovation from every man & woman in the SCG that day, on the way in & out. Can you imagine any of the English in '13/14 doing that vs Johnson, to come out one handed! An incredible moment. He won admiration in Oz that day so never let anyone say he didn't have that "x-factor".

http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/01/08/australia-win-but-graeme-smith-is-the-real-hero/

 

[backfootpunch]

Sign up for some English classes. This thread is about batsmen who debuted in the 2000s, please tell me how many of those batsmen you mentioned meet this criteria.

Amla and Sangakkara are the two best batsmen of their generation and I mentioned both as having a chance to make an all-time XI.

9.5 Cook has zero chance however.

When you're exposed for your bias posts lets resort to personal remarks.

Amla woudn't make it in the 2nd XI all time, so what on earth gives you the audacity to make such a claim?

 

[Bilal7]

And @ the blokes who have not made a pick at all saying nobody from the 2000's would get in, that's not the point of this thread! for all I care all the contenders mentioned in this thread may not make a World XI but the question is who has the best chance ? that doesn't necessarily mean they would make the team for sure.

Some people need to read this post over and over again. Very slowly.

Yes keep resorting to personal remarks.

For Amla to have a chance to be in the 11 ,he would obviously have to be better than one of the middle order players in the 11, which he isn't even close.

Yes I know Cook wouldn't make the 11 that's why I didn't pick him. Unlike you I am capable of judging without bias. Cook isn't even my favourite England player. It's only in your head that Amla has a chance of making this 11.

My pick was Greame Smith because he has a realistic chance of making the 11. I didn't pick a middle order player as ones who started there careers after 2000 are not better than the likes of Lara,Sachin,Viv, and Bradman. So how do they have a chance of making the 11 when they aren't better than the people in the 11 ?

I am sorry but you simply don't get it. Since Amla and Sangakkara are the two best batsmen out of all those that debuted in the 2000s, they have the best chance out of all those batsmen to make an all-time XI. That may be a 5% chance or a 1% chance but it is still higher than their contemporaries like Younis, KP, Clarke, Cook, Mahela, etc.

The players we are mentioning here do not have to be better than the players from the 90s, we simply have to be better than their contemporaries.

In the case of Amla and Sangakkara, they are #3 batsmen and should be compared to other #3 batsmen, not all middle-order batsmen. In a post-1960s or 70s all-time XI, I can only see two other batsmen equal or better than them at the #3 position, Ponting and Dravid. So you see, using the criteria you used to pick Smith, Amla and Sangakkara can also be selected.

Ditto with ABD, who doesn't have much competition as a keeper-batsman apart from everyone's favorite Aussie.

When you're exposed for your bias posts lets resort to personal remarks.

Amla woudn't make it in the 2nd XI all time, so what on earth gives you the audacity to make such a claim?

By your understanding of cricket, David Warner certainly makes every all-time XI due to his impressive SR.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Steyn easily. There's an argument for him being better than any quick in history bar McGrath. And no, Ambrose and Wasim are not near this guy. He's taken 5 wickets a match at a damn low strike rate in an era of flat pitches and monster bats. No batsman would make it i think though Sanga has the best chance.

An ATG bowling lineup should have

1.Mcgrath/Ambrose
2.Steyn/Marshall
3.Wasim
4.Warne/Murali

I'd take mcgrath and Steyn over Ambrose and Marshall simply because they bowled in a harder era for bowlers.

 

[Hasan123]

Some people need to read this post over and over again. Very slowly.



I am sorry but you simply don't get it. Since Amla and Sangakkara are the two best batsmen out of all those that debuted in the 2000s, they have the best chance out of all those batsmen to make an all-time XI. That may be a 5% chance or a 1% chance but it is still higher than their contemporaries like Younis, KP, Clarke, Cook, Mahela, etc.

The players we are mentioning here do not have to be better than the players from the 90s, we simply have to be better than their contemporaries.

In the case of Amla and Sangakkara, they are #3 batsmen and should be compared to other #3 batsmen, not all middle-order batsmen. In a post-1960s or 70s all-time XI, I can only see two other batsmen equal or better than them at the #3 position, Ponting and Dravid. So you see, using the criteria you used to pick Smith, Amla and Sangakkara can also be selected.

Ditto with ABD, who doesn't have much competition as a keeper-batsman apart from everyone's favorite Aussie.



By your understanding of cricket, David Warner certainly makes every all-time XI due to his impressive SR.

I do understand OPs question. There is no chance of Amla making this 11. Punter,Dravid,Viv are all better at number 3 than Amla so he doesn't have a chance of making the 11. That's the point I'm trying to make to You, Amla doesn't have a chance to make this 11 so how can he be considered LOL?

Amla isn't equal to Pointing and Dravid, they are better than him in tests. I think Viv also batted at 3, so as I said Amla doesn't have a chance.

 

[Mamoon]

No one so far. Maybe Sangakkara as a WK batsman but he didn't keep for years and it is hard to justify his selection ahead of Gilchrist.

Steyn is great but he is heavily overrated on PP. He is not getting ahead of McGrath, Marshall, Lillee etc. in the pecking order.

Amla? Just when you think you have read and seen it all.

 

[Bilal7]

I do understand OPs question. There is no chance of Amla making this 11. Punter,Dravid,Viv are all better at number 3 than Amla so he doesn't have a chance of making the 11. That's the point I'm trying to make to You, Amla doesn't have a chance to make this 11 so how can he be considered LOL?

Amla isn't equal to Pointing and Dravid, they are better than him in tests. I think Viv also batted at 3, so as I said Amla doesn't have a chance.

Viv was primarily a #4 batsman and will be competing with other number 4s.

Amla may not be as good as Ponting and Dravid but like I said before, he has the best chance out of any batsmen who debuted in the 2000s to take that spot.

If your answer is no one, then you should eject yourself from this thread since you have nothing to discuss here.

 

[Hasan123]

Viv was primarily a #4 batsman and will be competing with other number 4s.

Amla may not be as good as Ponting and Dravid but like I said before, he has the best chance out of any batsmen who debuted in the 2000s to take that spot.

If your answer is no one, then you should eject yourself from this thread since you have nothing to discuss here.

Viv averaged 61 at number 3 for 45 games. That is better than Amla. If Amla is competing with over number 3s, he isn't even close to him competition so explain to me how he has a chance?

Only in your opinion he has chance.

My answer to OPs question was Greame Smith. My main point to you is that Amla has no chance of making this 11 which you don't understand.

 

[Bilal7]

Viv averaged 61 at number 3 for 45 games. That is better than Amla. If Amla is competing with over number 3s, he isn't even close to him competition so explain to me how he has a chance?

Only in your opinion he has chance.

My answer to OPs question was Greame Smith. My main point to you is that Amla has no chance of making this 11 which you don't understand.

45 games doesn't cut it when the big four of Ponting, Dravid, Sanga and Amla have all played 90+ games and Amla is still playing.

Well, Amla has the best away average out of these four at #3 (55+), excluding Zimbabwe ans Bangladesh and plays his home games in South Africa, the toughest place for batsmen. Averages 45+ in Australia, 60+ each in India and England, 70+ in the UAE and 50+ in South Africa.

That puts him in a pretty good position to be the only post-2000 batsman to make an all-time XI. Sangakkara is next. Smith is not as good as either of these two but I agree that he also has a chance of making an all-time XI because he is an opener.

 

[Ab Fan]

Steyn is underrated. Wasim and Ambrose aren't better than him.

Only Marshall and Mcgrath and maybe Lillee if people want to pick him.

Wasim makes the cut because he brings variation.

 

[Hasan123]

45 games doesn't cut it when the big four of Ponting, Dravid, Sanga and Amla have all played 90+ games and Amla is still playing.

Well, Amla has the best away average out of these four at #3 (55+), excluding Zimbabwe ans Bangladesh and plays his home games in South Africa, the toughest place for batsmen. Averages 45+ in Australia, 60+ each in India and England, 70+ in the UAE and 50+ in South Africa.

That puts him in a pretty good position to be the only post-2000 batsman to make an all-time XI. Sangakkara is next. Smith is not as good as either of these two but I agree that he also has a chance of making an all-time XI because he is an opener.

Think Viv dropped down the order due to age, I have seen [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] mention this before . An average of 61 for 45 games is immense.

Yes Amla is a brilliant test batsmen but don't think he is as good the top test number 3s.

Smith may not make it but his chances are more realistic as he only has 2 test openers who are arguably better. Whilst Amla has a lot of competition for the number 3 slot.

 

[MMHS]

Think Viv dropped down the order due to age, I have seen [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] mention this before . An average of 61 for 45 games is immense.

Yes Amla is a brilliant test batsmen but don't think he is as good the top test number 3s.

Smith may not make it but his chances are more realistic as he only has 2 test openers who are arguably better. Whilst Amla has a lot of competition for the number 3 slot.

Viv dropped from 3 in 1983-4 I believe, he was 32-33 then. Greg dropped at around 29-30, while Ponting played as true No. 3 till 2006-7 I believe, he was also around 32-33 by then. It's difficult to be a dominating No. 3 in your 30s; so obviously now PAK is trying to make Azhar one at official 33 ..........

 

[backfootpunch]

Moving on from the Amla nonsense...

Steyn would have an excellent chance - dominated in an era so strong for batting and to maintain low 20s average is just exceptional and when you look at his competition no one comes close.

Waqar said himself he was one of the 3 best bowlers ever to have played the game.

 

[jeetu]

I have highlighted the players debut after 2000.

Opener
[table= class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]AveDescending [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]H Sutcliffe (ENG) [/td][td]1924-1935 [/td][td]54 [/td][td]4522 [/td][td]61.1 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]23 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]L Hutton (ENG) [/td][td]1937-1955 [/td][td]76 [/td][td]6721 [/td][td]56.47 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]31 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JB Hobbs (ENG) [/td][td]1908-1930 [/td][td]58 [/td][td]5130 [/td][td]56.37 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]27 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RB Simpson (AUS) [/td][td]1960-1968 [/td][td]38 [/td][td]3664 [/td][td]55.51 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]19 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DL Amiss (ENG) [/td][td]1972-1977 [/td][td]39 [/td][td]3276 [/td][td]53.7 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]9 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ML Hayden (AUS) [/td][td]1994-2009 [/td][td]103 [/td][td]8625 [/td][td]50.73 [/td][td]30 [/td][td]29 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SM Katich (AUS) [/td][td]2008-2010 [/td][td]33 [/td][td]2928 [/td][td]50.48 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]17 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SM Gavaskar (INDIA) [/td][td]1971-1987 [/td][td]119 [/td][td]9607 [/td][td]50.29 [/td][td]33 [/td][td]42 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]V Sehwag (ICC/INDIA) [/td][td]2002-2013 [/td][td]99 [/td][td]8207 [/td][td]50.04 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]30 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GC Smith (ICC/SA) [/td][td]2002-2014 [/td][td]114 [/td][td]9030 [/td][td]49.07 [/td][td]27 [/td][td]36 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DA Warner (AUS) [/td][td]2011-2017 [/td][td]66 [/td][td]5666 [/td][td]48.84 [/td][td]20 [/td][td]24 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JL Langer (AUS) [/td][td]1993-2007 [/td][td]65 [/td][td]5112 [/td][td]48.22 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]G Boycott (ENG) [/td][td]1964-1982 [/td][td]107 [/td][td]8091 [/td][td]48.16 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]42 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]HH Gibbs (SA) [/td][td]1998-2008 [/td][td]68 [/td][td]5242 [/td][td]47.22 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]21 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]WM Lawry (AUS) [/td][td]1961-1971 [/td][td]67 [/td][td]5234 [/td][td]47.15 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]27 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Saeed Anwar (PAK) [/td][td]1990-2001 [/td][td]54 [/td][td]3957 [/td][td]47.1 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]25 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AN Cook (ENG) [/td][td]2006-2017 [/td][td]140 [/td][td]11002 [/td][td]45.84 [/td][td]29 [/td][td]53 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AR Morris (AUS) [/td][td]1946-1955 [/td][td]45 [/td][td]3381 [/td][td]45.68 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]12 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GM Turner (NZ) [/td][td]1969-1983 [/td][td]38 [/td][td]2828 [/td][td]45.61 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]12 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MP Vaughan (ENG) [/td][td]2002-2008 [/td][td]38 [/td][td]3093 [/td][td]45.48 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]9 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CG Greenidge (WI) [/td][td]1974-1991 [/td][td]107 [/td][td]7488 [/td][td]45.1 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]34 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CC Hunte (WI) [/td][td]1958-1967 [/td][td]44 [/td][td]3245 [/td][td]45.06 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]13 [/td][/tr]
[/table]

Smith is the best among contender , still he won't make as he has to contend with some old timers and Gavaskar , Hayden. Warner is best among current lot statistically , but i doubt he will come close to guys above him.

 

[jeetu]

No.3 slot
[table= class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Avg [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DG Bradman (AUS) [/td][td]1930-1948 [/td][td]40 [/td][td]5078 [/td][td]103.63 [/td][td]20 [/td][td]10 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KF Barrington (ENG) [/td][td]1960-1967 [/td][td]27 [/td][td]2626 [/td][td]77.23 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]WR Hammond (ENG) [/td][td]1928-1937 [/td][td]37 [/td][td]3440 [/td][td]74.78 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]IVA Richards (WI) [/td][td]1976-1986 [/td][td]45 [/td][td]3508 [/td][td]61.54 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]14 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KC Sangakkara (SL) [/td][td]2000-2015 [/td][td]125 [/td][td]11679 [/td][td]60.82 [/td][td]37 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]BC Lara (WI) [/td][td]1992-2006 [/td][td]45 [/td][td]3749 [/td][td]60.46 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]13 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RT Ponting (AUS) [/td][td]1996-2011 [/td][td]113 [/td][td]9904 [/td][td]56.27 [/td][td]32 [/td][td]43 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KS Williamson (NZ) [/td][td]2011-2017 [/td][td]51 [/td][td]4522 [/td][td]55.14 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]22 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]HM Amla (SA) [/td][td]2006-2017 [/td][td]93 [/td][td]7450 [/td][td]53.59 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]33 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CA Pujara (INDIA) [/td][td]2010-2017 [/td][td]46 [/td][td]3675 [/td][td]53.26 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]13 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]R Dravid (ICC/INDIA) [/td][td]1996-2012 [/td][td]136 [/td][td]10524 [/td][td]52.88 [/td][td]28 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RB Kanhai (WI) [/td][td]1957-1973 [/td][td]57 [/td][td]4689 [/td][td]52.68 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]20 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ER Dexter (ENG) [/td][td]1959-1968 [/td][td]38 [/td][td]2798 [/td][td]51.81 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]16 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Younis Khan (PAK) [/td][td]2000-2014 [/td][td]50 [/td][td]4055 [/td][td]51.32 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]12 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]IM Chappell (AUS) [/td][td]1964-1980 [/td][td]54 [/td][td]4279 [/td][td]50.94 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]22 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JH Kallis (SA) [/td][td]1997-2009 [/td][td]49 [/td][td]3335 [/td][td]49.77 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]16 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DI Gower (ENG) [/td][td]1981-1990 [/td][td]35 [/td][td]2619 [/td][td]49.41 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]10 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]M Amarnath (INDIA) [/td][td]1976-1988 [/td][td]43 [/td][td]2907 [/td][td]47.65 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SP Fleming (NZ) [/td][td]1994-2008 [/td][td]43 [/td][td]2977 [/td][td]47.25 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]12 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RB Richardson (WI) [/td][td]1983-1994 [/td][td]67 [/td][td]4711 [/td][td]47.11 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]21 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RN Harvey (AUS) [/td][td]1949-1963 [/td][td]52 [/td][td]3454 [/td][td]46.67 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]14 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]IJL Trott (ENG) [/td][td]2009-2013 [/td][td]46 [/td][td]3109 [/td][td]45.72 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]15 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DC Boon (AUS) [/td][td]1985-1996 [/td][td]66 [/td][td]4412 [/td][td]45.48 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]20 [/td][/tr]
[/table]

Many greats on this list , but no one will ever come close to Bradman.

No.4 Slot
[table= class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]AveDescending [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ED Weekes (WI) [/td][td]1948-1958 [/td][td]37 [/td][td]3372 [/td][td]63.62 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]17 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JH Kallis (SA) [/td][td]1998-2013 [/td][td]111 [/td][td]9033 [/td][td]61.86 [/td][td]35 [/td][td]36 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GS Chappell (AUS) [/td][td]1972-1984 [/td][td]54 [/td][td]4316 [/td][td]59.12 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]19 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Yousuf (PAK) [/td][td]2000-2010 [/td][td]41 [/td][td]3416 [/td][td]56.93 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]13 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]V Kohli (INDIA) [/td][td]2013-2017 [/td][td]38 [/td][td]3287 [/td][td]55.71 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SR Tendulkar (INDIA) [/td][td]1992-2013 [/td][td]179 [/td][td]13492 [/td][td]54.4 [/td][td]44 [/td][td]58 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Javed Miandad (PAK) [/td][td]1976-1993 [/td][td]104 [/td][td]6925 [/td][td]54.1 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]31 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DCS Compton (ENG) [/td][td]1937-1955 [/td][td]57 [/td][td]4234 [/td][td]53.59 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]20 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Younis Khan (PAK) [/td][td]2002-2017 [/td][td]63 [/td][td]4985 [/td][td]53.03 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]17 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Inzamam-ul-Haq (PAK) [/td][td]1993-2005 [/td][td]68 [/td][td]4867 [/td][td]52.9 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]21 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DPMD Jayawardene (SL) [/td][td]1999-2014 [/td][td]124 [/td][td]9509 [/td][td]52.24 [/td][td]30 [/td][td]35 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]BC Lara (ICC/WI) [/td][td]1990-2006 [/td][td]91 [/td][td]7535 [/td][td]51.25 [/td][td]24 [/td][td]31 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]WR Hammond (ENG) [/td][td]1927-1947 [/td][td]44 [/td][td]2997 [/td][td]50.79 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]15 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AR Border (AUS) [/td][td]1981-1992 [/td][td]61 [/td][td]3783 [/td][td]50.44 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]21 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]LRPL Taylor (NZ) [/td][td]2007-2017 [/td][td]75 [/td][td]5491 [/td][td]50.37 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]23 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MD Crowe (NZ) [/td][td]1983-1995 [/td][td]67 [/td][td]4841 [/td][td]49.39 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]16 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KP Pietersen (ENG) [/td][td]2006-2014 [/td][td]90 [/td][td]6490 [/td][td]48.43 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]27 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DB Vengsarkar (INDIA) [/td][td]1978-1992 [/td][td]43 [/td][td]2605 [/td][td]48.24 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]15 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DR Martyn (AUS) [/td][td]1993-2006 [/td][td]40 [/td][td]2635 [/td][td]46.22 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]14 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DJ Cullinan (SA) [/td][td]1993-2001 [/td][td]63 [/td][td]4060 [/td][td]46.13 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]16 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MEK Hussey (AUS) [/td][td]2006-2010 [/td][td]37 [/td][td]2531 [/td][td]46.01 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]14 [/td][/tr]
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Again a tough slot , but its tough to go past Tendulkar here.

No.5 slot

[table= class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]AveDescending [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AB de Villiers (SA) [/td][td]2006-2015 [/td][td]54 [/td][td]3747 [/td][td]61.42 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]15 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MJ Clarke (AUS) [/td][td]2004-2015 [/td][td]72 [/td][td]5959 [/td][td]60.8 [/td][td]20 [/td][td]20 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]S Chanderpaul (WI) [/td][td]1996-2015 [/td][td]99 [/td][td]6883 [/td][td]56.41 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]35 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SR Waugh (AUS) [/td][td]1985-2004 [/td][td]104 [/td][td]6754 [/td][td]56.28 [/td][td]24 [/td][td]29 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GP Thorpe (ENG) [/td][td]1995-2005 [/td][td]52 [/td][td]3373 [/td][td]56.21 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]A Flower (ZIM) [/td][td]1993-2002 [/td][td]55 [/td][td]3788 [/td][td]54.89 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]22 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Yousuf (PAK) [/td][td]1998-2010 [/td][td]52 [/td][td]3774 [/td][td]53.15 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]19 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AR Border (AUS) [/td][td]1979-1994 [/td][td]58 [/td][td]3071 [/td][td]52.05 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]15 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Misbah-ul-Haq (PAK) [/td][td]2002-2017 [/td][td]69 [/td][td]4643 [/td][td]50.46 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]35 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]M Azharuddin (INDIA) [/td][td]1984-2000 [/td][td]72 [/td][td]4346 [/td][td]48.83 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]13 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]IVA Richards (WI) [/td][td]1974-1991 [/td][td]49 [/td][td]2720 [/td][td]47.71 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]TT Samaraweera (SL) [/td][td]2004-2013 [/td][td]62 [/td][td]3903 [/td][td]47.59 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]21 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]VVS Laxman (INDIA) [/td][td]1996-2012 [/td][td]52 [/td][td]2877 [/td][td]47.16 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]17 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CH Lloyd (WI) [/td][td]1966-1984 [/td][td]54 [/td][td]3049 [/td][td]46.19 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]14 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CL Hooper (WI) [/td][td]1988-2002 [/td][td]50 [/td][td]2911 [/td][td]42.18 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]13 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]PD Collingwood (ENG) [/td][td]2003-2010 [/td][td]47 [/td][td]2578 [/td][td]39.66 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]11 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]NJ Astle (NZ) [/td][td]1996-2006 [/td][td]62 [/td][td]3181 [/td][td]37.86 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]16 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SC Ganguly (INDIA) [/td][td]1997-2008 [/td][td]68 [/td][td]3440 [/td][td]37.39 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]A Ranatunga (SL) [/td][td]1982-1998 [/td][td]59 [/td][td]2665 [/td][td]34.16 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]19 [/td][/tr]
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One position where current player can replace , still there are strong contenders in Waugh , Border and certain Viv Richards.

 

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Wicketkeeper
[table= class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Avg [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]A Flower (ZIM) [/td][td]1992-2002 [/td][td]55 [/td][td]4404 [/td][td]53.7 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]23 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AC Gilchrist (AUS) [/td][td]1999-2008 [/td][td]96 [/td][td]5570 [/td][td]47.6 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]26 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KC Sangakkara (SL) [/td][td]2000-2008 [/td][td]48 [/td][td]3117 [/td][td]40.48 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]11 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MJ Prior (ENG) [/td][td]2007-2014 [/td][td]79 [/td][td]4099 [/td][td]40.18 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]28 [/td][/tr]
[/table]

No one gonna replace Gilchrist from this spot anytime soon.

AR slot

[table= class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Bat Av [/td][td]100 [/td][td]Wkts [/td][td]Bowl Av [/td][td]5W [/td][td]Ave Diff [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GS Sobers (WI) [/td][td]1954-1974 [/td][td]93 [/td][td]8032 [/td][td]57.78 [/td][td]26 [/td][td]235 [/td][td]34.03 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]23.74 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JH Kallis (ICC/SA) [/td][td]1995-2013 [/td][td]166 [/td][td]13289 [/td][td]55.37 [/td][td]45 [/td][td]292 [/td][td]32.65 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]22.71 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Imran Khan (PAK) [/td][td]1971-1992 [/td][td]88 [/td][td]3807 [/td][td]37.69 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]362 [/td][td]22.81 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]14.88 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KR Miller (AUS) [/td][td]1946-1956 [/td][td]55 [/td][td]2958 [/td][td]36.97 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]170 [/td][td]22.97 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]13.99 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SM Pollock (SA) [/td][td]1995-2008 [/td][td]108 [/td][td]3781 [/td][td]32.31 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]421 [/td][td]23.11 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]9.19 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]TL Goddard (SA) [/td][td]1955-1970 [/td][td]41 [/td][td]2516 [/td][td]34.46 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]123 [/td][td]26.22 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]8.23 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AW Greig (ENG) [/td][td]1972-1977 [/td][td]58 [/td][td]3599 [/td][td]40.43 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]141 [/td][td]32.2 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]8.23 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Shakib Al Hasan (BDESH) [/td][td]2007-2017 [/td][td]51 [/td][td]3594 [/td][td]40.38 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]188 [/td][td]32.37 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]8 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]R Ashwin (INDIA) [/td][td]2011-2017 [/td][td]52 [/td][td]2035 [/td][td]32.82 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]292 [/td][td]25.26 [/td][td]26 [/td][td]7.55 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RA Jadeja (INDIA) [/td][td]2012-2017 [/td][td]32 [/td][td]1136 [/td][td]29.89 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]155 [/td][td]23.6 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]6.29 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MA Noble (AUS) [/td][td]1898-1909 [/td][td]42 [/td][td]1997 [/td][td]30.25 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]121 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]5.25 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]IT Botham (ENG) [/td][td]1977-1992 [/td][td]102 [/td][td]5200 [/td][td]33.54 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]383 [/td][td]28.4 [/td][td]27 [/td][td]5.14 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Sir RJ Hadlee (NZ) [/td][td]1973-1990 [/td][td]86 [/td][td]3124 [/td][td]27.16 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]431 [/td][td]22.29 [/td][td]36 [/td][td]4.86 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CL Cairns (NZ) [/td][td]1989-2004 [/td][td]62 [/td][td]3320 [/td][td]33.53 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]218 [/td][td]29.4 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]4.13 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AK Davidson (AUS) [/td][td]1953-1963 [/td][td]44 [/td][td]1328 [/td][td]24.59 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]186 [/td][td]20.53 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]4.06 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]VD Philander (SA) [/td][td]2011-2017 [/td][td]46 [/td][td]1186 [/td][td]25.78 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]171 [/td][td]22.45 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]3.32 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]W Rhodes (ENG) [/td][td]1899-1930 [/td][td]58 [/td][td]2325 [/td][td]30.19 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]127 [/td][td]26.96 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]3.22 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]N Kapil Dev (INDIA) [/td][td]1978-1994 [/td][td]131 [/td][td]5248 [/td][td]31.05 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]434 [/td][td]29.64 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]1.4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]TE Bailey (ENG) [/td][td]1949-1959 [/td][td]61 [/td][td]2290 [/td][td]29.74 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]132 [/td][td]29.21 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]0.52 [/td][/tr]
[/table]

Shakib , Ashwin , Jadeja may get into contention on raging turner , otherwise they are far behind guys like Sobers , Imran.

 

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Fast Bowlers

[table= class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Wkts [/td][td]Avg [/td][td]SR [/td][td]5W [/td][td]10W [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MD Marshall (WI) [/td][td]1978-1991 [/td][td]81 [/td][td]376 [/td][td]20.94 [/td][td]46.7 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]J Garner (WI) [/td][td]1977-1987 [/td][td]58 [/td][td]259 [/td][td]20.97 [/td][td]50.8 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CEL Ambrose (WI) [/td][td]1988-2000 [/td][td]98 [/td][td]405 [/td][td]20.99 [/td][td]54.5 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]FS Trueman (ENG) [/td][td]1952-1965 [/td][td]67 [/td][td]307 [/td][td]21.57 [/td][td]49.4 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GD McGrath (AUS) [/td][td]1993-2007 [/td][td]124 [/td][td]563 [/td][td]21.64 [/td][td]51.9 [/td][td]29 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AA Donald (SA) [/td][td]1992-2002 [/td][td]72 [/td][td]330 [/td][td]22.25 [/td][td]47 [/td][td]20 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Sir RJ Hadlee (NZ) [/td][td]1973-1990 [/td][td]86 [/td][td]431 [/td][td]22.29 [/td][td]50.8 [/td][td]36 [/td][td]9 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DW Steyn (SA) [/td][td]2004-2016 [/td][td]85 [/td][td]417 [/td][td]22.3 [/td][td]41.4 [/td][td]26 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Imran Khan (PAK) [/td][td]1971-1992 [/td][td]88 [/td][td]362 [/td][td]22.81 [/td][td]53.7 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RR Lindwall (AUS) [/td][td]1946-1960 [/td][td]61 [/td][td]228 [/td][td]23.03 [/td][td]59.8 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SM Pollock (SA) [/td][td]1995-2008 [/td][td]108 [/td][td]421 [/td][td]23.11 [/td][td]57.8 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Waqar Younis (PAK) [/td][td]1989-2003 [/td][td]87 [/td][td]373 [/td][td]23.56 [/td][td]43.4 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Wasim Akram (PAK) [/td][td]1985-2002 [/td][td]104 [/td][td]414 [/td][td]23.62 [/td][td]54.6 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MA Holding (WI) [/td][td]1975-1987 [/td][td]60 [/td][td]249 [/td][td]23.68 [/td][td]50.9 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DK Lillee (AUS) [/td][td]1971-1984 [/td][td]70 [/td][td]355 [/td][td]23.92 [/td][td]52 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CA Walsh (WI) [/td][td]1984-2001 [/td][td]132 [/td][td]519 [/td][td]24.44 [/td][td]57.8 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JB Statham (ENG) [/td][td]1951-1965 [/td][td]70 [/td][td]252 [/td][td]24.84 [/td][td]63.7 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AV Bedser (ENG) [/td][td]1946-1955 [/td][td]51 [/td][td]236 [/td][td]24.89 [/td][td]67.4 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[/table]

Steyn is the only one among current lot to make this list. One thing going for him is amazing Strike Rate , which is among the best ever.
Still he has strong competition in Marshall , Mcgrath , Ambrose who have better average.

Spinners
[table= class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Wkts [/td][td]Avg [/td][td]SR [/td][td]5W [/td][td]10W [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JC Laker (ENG) [/td][td]1948-1959 [/td][td]46 [/td][td]193 [/td][td]21.24 [/td][td]62.3 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]M Muralitharan (ICC/SL) [/td][td]1992-2010 [/td][td]133 [/td][td]800 [/td][td]22.72 [/td][td]55 [/td][td]67 [/td][td]22 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RA Jadeja (INDIA) [/td][td]2012-2017 [/td][td]32 [/td][td]155 [/td][td]23.6 [/td][td]60.6 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CV Grimmett (AUS) [/td][td]1925-1936 [/td][td]37 [/td][td]216 [/td][td]24.21 [/td][td]67.1 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]R Ashwin (INDIA) [/td][td]2011-2017 [/td][td]52 [/td][td]292 [/td][td]25.26 [/td][td]52.4 [/td][td]26 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SK Warne (AUS) [/td][td]1992-2007 [/td][td]145 [/td][td]708 [/td][td]25.41 [/td][td]57.4 [/td][td]37 [/td][td]10 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GAR Lock (ENG) [/td][td]1952-1968 [/td][td]49 [/td][td]174 [/td][td]25.58 [/td][td]75.5 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DL Underwood (ENG) [/td][td]1966-1982 [/td][td]86 [/td][td]297 [/td][td]25.83 [/td][td]73.6 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]HJ Tayfield (SA) [/td][td]1949-1960 [/td][td]37 [/td][td]170 [/td][td]25.91 [/td][td]79.8 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]R Benaud (AUS) [/td][td]1952-1964 [/td][td]63 [/td][td]248 [/td][td]27.03 [/td][td]77 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]HMRKB Herath (SL) [/td][td]1999-2017 [/td][td]85 [/td][td]405 [/td][td]27.82 [/td][td]59.5 [/td][td]33 [/td][td]9 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Saeed Ajmal (PAK) [/td][td]2009-2014 [/td][td]35 [/td][td]178 [/td][td]28.1 [/td][td]65.1 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Iqbal Qasim (PAK) [/td][td]1976-1988 [/td][td]50 [/td][td]171 [/td][td]28.11 [/td][td]76.1 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]** Bedi (INDIA) [/td][td]1966-1979 [/td][td]67 [/td][td]266 [/td][td]28.71 [/td][td]80.3 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]S Ramadhin (WI) [/td][td]1950-1961 [/td][td]43 [/td][td]158 [/td][td]28.98 [/td][td]88.2 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SCG MacGill (AUS) [/td][td]1998-2008 [/td][td]44 [/td][td]208 [/td][td]29.02 [/td][td]54 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]LR Gibbs (WI) [/td][td]1958-1976 [/td][td]79 [/td][td]309 [/td][td]29.09 [/td][td]87.7 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Yasir Shah (PAK) [/td][td]2014-2017 [/td][td]28 [/td][td]165 [/td][td]29.44 [/td][td]56.2 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]A Kumble (INDIA) [/td][td]1990-2008 [/td][td]132 [/td][td]619 [/td][td]29.65 [/td][td]65.9 [/td][td]35 [/td][td]8 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]** Chandrasekhar (INDIA) [/td][td]1964-1979 [/td][td]58 [/td][td]242 [/td][td]29.74 [/td][td]65.9 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Saqlain Mushtaq (PAK) [/td][td]1995-2004 [/td][td]49 [/td][td]208 [/td][td]29.83 [/td][td]67.6 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GP Swann (ENG) [/td][td]2008-2013 [/td][td]60 [/td][td]255 [/td][td]29.96 [/td][td]60.1 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]EAS Prasanna (INDIA) [/td][td]1962-1978 [/td][td]49 [/td][td]189 [/td][td]30.38 [/td][td]75.9 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[/table]

No one is going past Murali or Warne. Ashwin is so far best among current lot but still very far from top 2.

 

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[table= class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Steven Smith [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]SR [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]overall [/td][td]2010-2017 [/td][td]56 [/td][td]5370 [/td][td]59.66 [/td][td]56.85 [/td][td]20 [/td][td]21 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3rd position [/td][td]2015-2017 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]1744 [/td][td]67.07 [/td][td]57.65 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4th position [/td][td]2013-2017 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]1844 [/td][td]73.76 [/td][td]61.3 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]5th position [/td][td]2013-2017 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]1236 [/td][td]61.8 [/td][td]52.43 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]6th position [/td][td]2010-2014 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]325 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]45.9 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7th position [/td][td]2011-2014 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]121 [/td][td]60.5 [/td][td]56.27 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]8th position [/td][td]2010-2010 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]88 [/td][td]29.33 [/td][td]76.52 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]9th position [/td][td]2010-2010 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]70.58 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
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Steven Smith has a decent shot at No.4 and No.5 , but he has not held a position to call his own so far.

 

[Bilal7]

Think Viv dropped down the order due to age, I have seen [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] mention this before . An average of 61 for 45 games is immense.

Yes Amla is a brilliant test batsmen but don't think he is as good the top test number 3s.

Smith may not make it but his chances are more realistic as he only has 2 test openers who are arguably better. Whilst Amla has a lot of competition for the number 3 slot.

I never claimed that Amla would make an all-time XI as a certainty. If it is a true all-time XI, even Ponting and Dravid has zero chances of getting in there because of The Don. However, like Smith, he only has two or three contenders for the spot in a post-1970s XI and stacks up well against them, therefore deserving a mention.

 

[Ab Fan]

Amla is underrated in tests. Yes he was a poor leader but the guy has runs and effective runs everywhere as far as tests are concerned.

Apart from those series defining performances in Australia, England and India between 2010-2012, he has scored hundreds in his earlier tour to India and England also.

Yes his record is not that fantastic in Australia because he failed in every tour to Aus barring the one which itself was a great series in 2012, but then even a Dravid has only one great series in Australia.

I think if Amla gets to 10k runs, we should start putting him at same tier to Dravid or Border or Kallis or Miandad.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Amla is underrated in tests. Yes he was a poor leader but the guy has runs and effective runs everywhere as far as tests are concerned.

Apart from those series defining performances in Australia, England and India between 2010-2012, he has scored hundreds in his earlier tour to India and England also.

Yes his record is not that fantastic in Australia because he failed in every tour to Aus barring the one which itself was a great series in 2012, but then even a Dravid has only one great series in Australia.

I think if Amla gets to 10k runs, we should start putting him at same tier to Dravid or Border or Kallis or Miandad.

Even someone like Ponting should not be an automatic pick if the series is played on India. Tendulkar and Amla are the only batsmen who have scored runs in all the countries.

 

[Ab Fan]

Even someone like Ponting should not be an automatic pick if the series is played on India. Tendulkar and Amla are the only batsmen who have scored runs in all the countries.

Lara, Gavaskar and Chappell also.