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Some really top-class fast-bowling pairs menacing batters around the world but which duo is your favourite and why?
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Cummins and Hazlewood.
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Anderdon-Broad.
They are incredibly experienced and skilled.
They are incredibly experienced and skilled.
Test Cricket? Okay lets see -
Anderson-Broad - Good at home but failed to win anywhere else. Got humiliated in Ashes
Cummins-Hazelwood - Lost at home against India, couldn't beat India in India and only manage to draw in Pakistan
Boult - Southee - Won WTC finals but dropped a test against Bangladesh (of all teams) at home, lost badly in Australia & England
Rabada - Nortje - Beat India in home but couldn't win anywhere else overseas
Shaheen - Hassan Ali - Lost in Australia, NZ, only manage to draw in Eng and couldn't win at home against Aussies
Bumrah - Shami - Won everything at home, won 2 back to back series in Australia, leading the test series in Eng, just lost the WTC finals and against NZ in NZ
There is absolutely no doubt Bumrah - Shami is the best all condition fast bowler duo in test cricket.
Anderson-Broad - Good at home but failed to win anywhere else. Got humiliated in Ashes
Cummins-Hazelwood - Lost at home against India, couldn't beat India in India and only manage to draw in Pakistan
Boult - Southee - Won WTC finals but dropped a test against Bangladesh (of all teams) at home, lost badly in Australia & England
Rabada - Nortje - Beat India in home but couldn't win anywhere else overseas
Shaheen - Hassan Ali - Lost in Australia, NZ, only manage to draw in Eng and couldn't win at home against Aussies
Bumrah - Shami - Won everything at home, won 2 back to back series in Australia, leading the test series in Eng, just lost the WTC finals and against NZ in NZ
There is absolutely no doubt Bumrah - Shami is the best all condition fast bowler duo in test cricket.
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Cummins-Hazlewood are my personal favourite in world cricket.
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Here is the away 50 plus wickets in the last 5 years
Answer clearly is Indian Duo and they will probably go head to head with most pairs of previous era. Combined SR below 50, combined avg below 25 and total 200 away wickets. That's simply outstanding.
Only lions at home does not count and having less than 50 is too less.
Having said that, my favorite duo is Aus. Cummins and Josh. Aus Duo is the second most effective duo in the last 5 years.
Answer clearly is Indian Duo and they will probably go head to head with most pairs of previous era. Combined SR below 50, combined avg below 25 and total 200 away wickets. That's simply outstanding.
Only lions at home does not count and having less than 50 is too less.
Having said that, my favorite duo is Aus. Cummins and Josh. Aus Duo is the second most effective duo in the last 5 years.
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It will be interesting to see if we have more than 5-6 bowling pairs in the last 50 years with 200 plus away wickets and SR below 50 with sub 25 average.
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Just ran the query,
In early 90s, I see only Wasim and Waqar passing this filter. Not 200 wickets but close enough.
In late 90s, I see Pollock and Donald. Less wickets but total 130 wickets. Also Ambrose and Walsh with similar number of wickets.
Early 00s, Gillespie and McGrath
Late 00s - No duo with same output.
Early 10s - Steyn and Morkel
So going back 30 plus years, we have
Wasim + Waqar
Ambrose + Walsh
McGrath + Gillespie
Pollock + Donald
Steyn + Morkel
Bumrah + Shami
6 pairs in 30 years who did well when playing away from their den as pair for a long period. It seems every 5 year we get one pair like this and then they fade away. All previous pairs have one certified ATG. It will be interesting to see if the 6th pair gets it as well.
In early 90s, I see only Wasim and Waqar passing this filter. Not 200 wickets but close enough.
In late 90s, I see Pollock and Donald. Less wickets but total 130 wickets. Also Ambrose and Walsh with similar number of wickets.
Early 00s, Gillespie and McGrath
Late 00s - No duo with same output.
Early 10s - Steyn and Morkel
So going back 30 plus years, we have
Wasim + Waqar
Ambrose + Walsh
McGrath + Gillespie
Pollock + Donald
Steyn + Morkel
Bumrah + Shami
6 pairs in 30 years who did well when playing away from their den as pair for a long period. It seems every 5 year we get one pair like this and then they fade away. All previous pairs have one certified ATG. It will be interesting to see if the 6th pair gets it as well.
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I think in the last away series, Bumrah and Shami paired up only in the first test (the 36 one). It wasn't really this 'duo' that won the Australia series. Mohammad Siraj and Natrajan had a greater impact
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Cummins & Hazlewood.
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They both had good returns in the last Australian Ashes. But their batters let them down.
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Stats suggest otherwise...
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Bumrah-Shami overall.
Cummins and Hazelwood aren't all that in Asian conditions but overall can be declared no.2.
Cummins and Hazelwood aren't all that in Asian conditions but overall can be declared no.2.
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Bumrah Shami.
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Lee was a nothing Test bowler, all of the top 10 Test pacers today are better than him. His strength was ODI cricket.
Gillespie was very good but benefited from McGrath-Warne, never quite good enough to lead an attack.
Waqar benefited from ball-tampering, he will be less effective today with greater scrutiny on ball conditioning, but agree with the choices of Wasim, McGrath and Warne - three bowlers better than any bowler playing today.
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Wow - i knew they'd be in top 3 & probably pumped for Hazlewood and Cummins when i started reading this, but those above stats dont lie.
Its a testament to their consistency across conditions.
Hopefully jasprit bumrah captures his pre 2019 injury form and comes roaring back.
I'd still back our guys to be a handful in any test any country any conditions.
some wonderful pairs in the list and some wonderful figures
:They don't matter when they overwhelmingly point towards Indian players.
If only IPL wasn't there to distract him!
I don't begrudge him for big bucks he is earning from IPL but it would've been so nice to have his entire concentration and efforts hinged on international cricket which is pinnacle of cricket.
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Agreed 100 pc. I have also been calling this long time.
i wish BCCI get pro active on this front and put in a rotation policy for quick bowlers even for the IPL.
I wish we had some type of work load management - especially at IPL.
very soon we will have the U19 guys playing in IPL and getting burnouts - or once they get the mega money at young age, wont bother playing red ball or Ranji trophy - doing the hard yards.
One thing I'll never get is why do all these premier Indian players have to play each and every IPL game, even the inconsequential ones?
The way I get this is,
Inconsequential IPL Game >>> Inconsequential International Game
Which is really sad to see.
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Steyn-Rabada would have been fire if not for Steyn's injuries.
Cummins-Hazelwood duo is quite well rounded and play consistently without missing many tests.
Boult-Southee was brilliant but has regressed a bit recently.
Cummins-Hazelwood duo is quite well rounded and play consistently without missing many tests.
Boult-Southee was brilliant but has regressed a bit recently.
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[MENTION=133397]WebGuru[/MENTION] made great post in 2013 where he compared 9 bowling pairs including Wasim/Waqar , Walsh/Ambrose etc
Check that out if you want to compare present with past.
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?186441-9-Bowling-Pairs&highlight=bowling+pair
Check that out if you want to compare present with past.
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?186441-9-Bowling-Pairs&highlight=bowling+pair
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Surely it's not hard to figure out why?
The same could be said about McGrath benefitting from Gillespie. The reason I listed all the Aussies from one era was because it was more than just a duo. I could have easily said Mcgrath-Warne but the likes of Gillespie greatly helped these two achieve what they did and it's unfair that Gillespie gets overlooked. I don't know Gillespie's stats but from what I remember he was highly economical and held up ends to build pressure for others to take wickets.
On stats alone Gillespie was a better bowler than the legends of today: Broad and Anderson. And he's a a bowler who harldy gets mentioned anywhere. Going back to the point that bowlers today are an embarrassment and it has nothing to do with batting friendly pitches or T20 style of cricket because in the 00's there were a lot of test matches on dead pitches and batsmen valued their wickets. Whereas the aggressive cricket played today would give the bowlers of the previous era opportunities to pick up more cheap wickets.
Oh boy.
Hard to look past Bumrah and Shami.
Cummins is immense but he has to do a lot more overseas. Like engineer a series win in India to be rated along with Bumrah.
Hazlewood is not quite the same when playing away - expected middling numbers in subcontinent but shockingly poor in South Africa and NZ.
Cummins is immense but he has to do a lot more overseas. Like engineer a series win in India to be rated along with Bumrah.
Hazlewood is not quite the same when playing away - expected middling numbers in subcontinent but shockingly poor in South Africa and NZ.
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[QUOTE=Shaddy86;11504220]On stats alone Gillespie was a better bowler than the legends of today: Broad and Anderson. And he's a a bowler who harldy gets mentioned anywhere. Going back to the point that bowlers today are an embarrassment and it has nothing to do with batting friendly pitches or T20 style of cricket because in the 00's there were a lot of test matches on dead pitches and batsmen valued their wickets. Whereas the aggressive cricket played today would give the bowlers of the previous era opportunities to pick up more cheap wickets.[/QUOTE]
What stats? Anderson is miles ahead of Gillispie.
What stats? Anderson is miles ahead of Gillispie.
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I want to say Cummins and Hazlewood, but ironically, Bumrah and Shami are the most tested duo who have repeatedly performed well in SENA. They aren't as dominant in Asia because they aren't needed due to Ashwin and Jadeja. No SENA duo have done that well in Asia
Individual bowler wise, Cummins is the best and probably the only guaranteed ATG pace bowler from this era
Individual bowler wise, Cummins is the best and probably the only guaranteed ATG pace bowler from this era
They don't.
Shami fails to get his average below 30 in 3/4 SENA countries (32,38,36). You simply cannot argue Shami is better than Hazlewood.
Hazlewood's poor numbers come against India, NZ,SA (32,34,39). Mind you he hasn't played against NZ since 2016, vs SA since 2018.And that's going just by stats. Cummins is inarguably better than Bumrah so that completes the duo.
So yeah, I'd like to see you make that claim again.
With Hazlewood, you need to understand he is a complete bowler post 2018 and very little separates him and Cummins now. Give him tours of SA and NZ now and he will show you that without a shred of a doubt. This is his prime and this is what he should be judged on.
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They aren't in India's favour.
I can honestly say - this era has some real dud “fast” bowlers. They’re not even fast. Only anderson really moves the ball both ways.
All we have to see is what happened when someone bowled express. Mitchell Johnson had england and South Africa all over the place. Shame his express period couldn’t last further proving the point.
Shoaib, Waqar, Donald and Lee would eat these guys for breakfast.
Bit of medium pace accuracy like Abbas and he becomes a destroyer.
Mcgrath, Ambrose, Walsh would eat these batsmen for breakfast too.
Poor era really overall
All we have to see is what happened when someone bowled express. Mitchell Johnson had england and South Africa all over the place. Shame his express period couldn’t last further proving the point.
Shoaib, Waqar, Donald and Lee would eat these guys for breakfast.
Bit of medium pace accuracy like Abbas and he becomes a destroyer.
Mcgrath, Ambrose, Walsh would eat these batsmen for breakfast too.
Poor era really overall
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I would pick Dizzy over Jimmy every time. He’s the spearhead that England have lacked for decades.
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Rabada is as good as Cummins, if not better.
Bumrah could have been a potential ATG but he is already 28. They wasted 2-3 years of his in the infamous "Process" of the Indian team.
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Rabada has fallen off quite a bit in last 3 years. Before that he was more dangerous than Cummins
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