Which league has the better fast-bowlers - IPL or PSL?

[MenInG]

Mohammad Hasnain hit 151 km/h during PSL in 2019, Kagiso Rabada his 154.23 in 2019 IPL

Seems there is no dearth of speed but which league has the "better" bowlers?

Obviously its down to the best bowlers money can buy when it comes to IPL but as a product, which league has the better fast-bowlers?

 

[Savak]

IPL has everything.

 

[sweep_shot]

PSL.

India may have better fast bowlers at national level but their bench pacers are behind Pakistani bench pacers.

Also, some of the IPL players also play in PSL.

 

[aloo paratha]

Of the international players, IPL wins. Of Local fast bowlers though, PSL is better.

 

[cricketjoshila]

PSL.

India may have better fast bowlers at national level but their bench pacers are behind Pakistani bench pacers.

Also, some of the IPL players also play in PSL.

Who are these bench pacers?

Almost every top fast bowler, bar pakistanis have played the IPL.

 

[Ab Fan]

IPL by a mile.

Saini, Bumrah, Shami, Bhuvi, Rabada, Pattinson, Nortje, Archer all top notch.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Who are these bench pacers?

Almost every top fast bowler, bar pakistanis have played the IPL.

The internationals are diluted by Indian players. PSL in terms of the playing attack itself is better by far.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

IPL has all the top international bowlers playing for their teams except few like Starc, Shaheen or Amir. Definitely not a good comparison. Bit PSL has better local talent on display for sure.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The internationals are diluted by Indian players. PSL in terms of the playing attack itself is better by far.

I am trying to know who are these great pakistani bench players.

What are the names?

What playing attack? Can you name the attacks please.

 

[cricketjoshila]

IPL has all the top international bowlers playing for their teams except few like Starc, Shaheen or Amir. Definitely not a good comparison. Bit PSL has better local talent on display for sure.

Who are these local talent? Please name them. And what is the basis of calling them better?

 

[sweep_shot]

I am trying to know who are these great pakistani bench players.

What are the names?

What playing attack? Can you name the attacks please.

I don't remember the names but I was referring to local (Indian) bowlers from IPL. They are mostly Dinda-type bowlers.

Local pacers of PSL are better. Just my view.

 

[Mamoon]

If Pakistan’s local bowlers are better, how come India’s bowling attack is consistently superior than Pakistan’s?

 

[sweep_shot]

If Pakistan’s local bowlers are better, how come India’s bowling attack is consistently superior than Pakistan’s?

India's pace attack isn't scary without Bumrah, Shami, and Ishant.

 

[Mamoon]

India should struggle badly without Bumrah, Shami, and Ishant.

And we struggle badly with our first-choice bowlers. So what is the point? Indian bowlers are better than Pakistani bowlers. It is a fact that cannot be denied.

 

[Rana]

Some of the World class bowlers in the IPL

Deepak Chahar
Shivam Dube
Sandeep
Nataranjan
Mohit Sharma
Umesh Yadav

How can the PSL fast bowlers compete with these galacticos of pace bowling?

 

[Ab Fan]

If Pakistan’s local bowlers are better, how come India’s bowling attack is consistently superior than Pakistan’s?

No surprises. Between age 16-21, Pakistan fast bowlers are always the best in the world and hence will always be better than any team.

 

[sweep_shot]

Some of the World class bowlers in the IPL

Deepak Chahar
Shivam Dube
Sandeep
Nataranjan
Mohit Sharma
Umesh Yadav

How can the PSL fast bowlers compete with these galacticos of pace bowling?

This was what I was referring to. Thanks for writing the names.

They only have three top class pacers - Bumrah, Shami, and Ishant.

 

[Rana]

This was what I was referring to. Thanks for writing the names.

They only have three top class pacers - Bumrah, Shami, and Ishant.

Bro I lost interest in IPL a few years ago, but I started to scrutinise it carefully this year because there are some guys who randomly have been pushing the agenda of the IPL having extremely high standards. The names I have mentioned really reaffirms their agenda here I guess...

 

[Mamoon]

Some of the World class bowlers in the IPL

Deepak Chahar
Shivam Dube
Sandeep
Nataranjan
Mohit Sharma
Umesh Yadav

How can the PSL fast bowlers compete with these galacticos of pace bowling?

And who are the galacticos in PSL? At least IPL have the best overseas active fast bowlers. All we have got is a 40 year old Dale Steyn and a rookie Archer back in 2018 when he was not known.

PSL needs to get hold of the likes of Starc, Rabada, Cummins, Boult, Hazlewood etc. before blowing its trumpet.

 

[Rana]

Considering the actual limitations of Indian pace bowlers besides a handful, if PSL also has Boult, Starc, Rabada, Nortje and Archer...Then there is no question that PSL will lap the IPL in fast bowling standards. I will argue this with names of fast bowlers in the PSL who are better than the so called Indian medium pacers, but they realistically no longer make it into a PSL side or franchise

 

[Ab Fan]

This was what I was referring to. Thanks for writing the names.

They only have three top class pacers - Bumrah, Shami, and Ishant.

Bhai, did you followed today's game? Bhuvi and Saini are brilliant bowlers and Chahar is a good bowler as well.

Umesh Yadav was poor today but he is an international standard test player.

 

[Mamoon]

Considering the actual limitations of Indian pace bowlers besides a handful, if PSL also has Boult, Starc, Rabada, Nortje and Archer...Then there is no question that PSL will lap the IPL in fast bowling standards. I will argue this with names of fast bowlers in the PSL who are better than the so called Indian medium pacers, but they realistically no longer make it into a PSL side or franchise

The difference is that all our main bowlers have serious limitations as well. No Pakistani bowler will get a sniff in the Indian team in any format as long as their first-choice bowlers are available.

 

[Mamoon]

Considering the actual limitations of Indian pace bowlers besides a handful, if PSL also has Boult, Starc, Rabada, Nortje and Archer...Then there is no question that PSL will lap the IPL in fast bowling standards. I will argue this with names of fast bowlers in the PSL who are better than the so called Indian medium pacers, but they realistically no longer make it into a PSL side or franchise

And PSL is not getting those bowlers anyway. Archer now is also too big for a poverty league like PSL.

It is a league for the mediocre or the washed up.

 

[sweep_shot]

Bhai, did you followed today's game? Bhuvi and Saini are brilliant bowlers and Chahar is a good bowler as well.

Umesh Yadav was poor today but he is an international standard test player.

It is not about one game.

I just don't find Indian bench pacers impressive (other than Bumrah, Shami, Ishant, and perhaps Bhuvneshwar). Umesh is a hit or miss.

 

[Rana]

From the List of Jericho, Hasan ALI is better than all of them. That says a lot about how poor those Indian players are

 

[cricketjoshila]

This was what I was referring to. Thanks for writing the names.

They only have three top class pacers - Bumrah, Shami, and Ishant.

So who are the great pakistani local bowlers who are great and hence psl has better bowling.

How many top batsmen play the PSL regularly?

You only know 3 because they play regularly and others dont get as many chances.

FYI indian fast bowlers outbowled the pakistanis in the last two u19 WCs i watched.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It is not about one game.

I just don't find Indian bench pacers impressive (other than Bumrah, Shami, Ishant, and perhaps Bhuvneshwar). Umesh is a hit or miss.

Umesh Yadav has 144 test wickets @30.47. Can you name a few pakistanis currently playing with a better record.

Thank you.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Some of the World class bowlers in the IPL

Deepak Chahar
Shivam Dube
Sandeep
Nataranjan
Mohit Sharma
Umesh Yadav

How can the PSL fast bowlers compete with these galacticos of pace bowling?

Arey name the great pakistani talents of PSL. Why not list them?

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

IPL has better bowlers no doubt. I think the question is does PSL has better local bowling talent than IPL? Answer is No. I havent seen many really good spinners in PSL whereas IPL has Jadeja, Ashwin, chahal, kuldeep yadav, rahul cahar and ravi bishnoi who all most probably would get into Pakistani playing XI. In the pace department, IPL has Bumrah, Shami, Bhuveneshwar, Saini, Shivam Mavi, Ishant Sharma, Deepak Cahar who are all very good bowlers. PSL is probably equal to IPL in terms of local fast bowling talent if we exclude Bumrah, Shami and Bhuvi. We also have to factor in the fact that PSL has two less teams than IPL. IPL with 6 teams would've just been a out of the world tournament where standard of cricket would've been better than International cricket. But even with eight teams, IPL has better bowlers as PSL just dosent have any real good spinner.

 

[sweep_shot]

So who are the great pakistani local bowlers who are great and hence psl has better bowling.

How many top batsmen play the PSL regularly?

You only know 3 because they play regularly and others dont get as many chances.

FYI indian fast bowlers outbowled the pakistanis in the last two u19 WCs i watched.

Indian U-19 pacers weren't that impressive. Bangladesh U-19 dealt with them easily.

Pakistan U-19 bowlers turned Bangladesh U-19 into something like 106/9.

Are you saying Indian bench pacers are better than likes of Naseem, Musa, Wahab, Shinwari etc.?

 

[Thunderbolt14]

IPL has better bowlers no doubt. I think the question is does PSL has better local bowling talent than IPL? Answer is No. I havent seen many really good spinners in PSL whereas IPL has Jadeja, Ashwin, chahal, kuldeep yadav, rahul cahar and ravi bishnoi who all most probably would get into Pakistani playing XI. In the pace department, IPL has Bumrah, Shami, Bhuveneshwar, Saini, Shivam Mavi, Ishant Sharma, Deepak Cahar who are all very good bowlers. PSL is probably equal to IPL in terms of local fast bowling talent if we exclude Bumrah, Shami and Bhuvi. We also have to factor in the fact that PSL has two less teams than IPL. IPL with 6 teams would've just been a out of the world tournament where standard of cricket would've been better than International cricket. But even with eight teams, IPL has better bowlers as PSL just dosent have any real good spinner.

Bishnoi in the Pakistan XI? Forget Shadab and Imad, let him take the wickets of ABD and others that Umer Khan has, then we’ll talk.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indian U-19 pacers weren't that impressive. Bangladesh U-19 dealt with them easily.

Pakistan U-19 bowlers turned Bangladesh U-19 into something like 106/9.

Are you saying Indian bench pacers are better than likes of Naseem, Musa, Wahab, Shinwari etc.?

Musa was in u19 WC and so were Mavi and Nagarkoti. Guess whom the world was talking about?


India reached the finals, where was pakistan? What was the result of the indo pak match? Pakistanis couldn't take a wicket against india.

Wahab's test record is worse than Yadav's.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

KKR: Cummins, Ferguson, Mavi

CSK: Ngidi, Deepak Chahar, Sam Curran

DC: Rabada, Nortje, Ishant/Mohit

KXIP: Shami, Cotrell, Jordan

RCB:Steyn, Saini, Umesh

SRH:Bhuvi, Sandeep Sharma, Thampi/Khaleel.

MI: Boult, Bumrah, Pattinson

RR: Archer, Varun Aaron, Tyagi.

How many pakistani fast bowlers could break into these attacks?

 

[sweep_shot]

Wahab's test record is worse than Yadav's.

This thread is focusing on LOI more. Wahab is a much better LOI bowler than Yadav.

Wahab is one of those pacers who you shouldn't measure with stats. He is an impact player (like Maxwell).

 

[sweep_shot]

KKR: Cummins, Ferguson, Mavi

CSK: Ngidi, Deepak Chahar, Sam Curran

DC: Rabada, Nortje, Ishant/Mohit

KXIP: Shami, Cotrell, Jordan

RCB:Steyn, Saini, Umesh

SRH:Bhuvi, Sandeep Sharma, Thampi/Khaleel.

MI: Boult, Bumrah, Pattinson

RR: Archer, Varun Aaron, Tyagi.

How many pakistani fast bowlers could break into these attacks?

I thought we were debating about Indian bench pacers and Pakistani bench pacers. I didn't know likes of Rabada were Indians.

Also, some of these IPL players also play in PSL.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

Bishnoi in the Pakistan XI? Forget Shadab and Imad, let him take the wickets of ABD and others that Umer Khan has, then we’ll talk.

I do think Bishnoi would surpass Shadab in a year. Has such a higher ceiling. Imad is just a poor man's Jadeja a.k.a Axar Patel.

 

[sweep_shot]

I do think Bishnoi would surpass Shadab in a year. Has such a higher ceiling. Imad is just a poor man's Jadeja a.k.a Axar Patel.

Bishnoi is a hack. He is ordinary.

Just because he troubled Bangladesh U-19 side and Japan U-19 side doesn't mean he is world class.

He has potential but he is not up there yet.

 

[Rana]

Arey name the great pakistani talents of PSL. Why not list them?

In comparison to the list of Jericho

Azhar Ali prob competes with Deepak Chahar in terms of quality pace

 

[BreadPakoda]

PSL. Where else will you get Faheem Ashraf?

I did a quick search on Google and the top names that came up were Ravi Bopara, Faheem Ashraf, and Umar Gul. I guess they've had the best figures. Can't get any better. Of course, there are Shahid Afridi, Zulfiqar Babar, Mohammad Sami, and Mohammad Irfan too who top the economy chart for local talent.

 

[Rana]

Let’s see what surprises Rajasthan Royals and Kolkata Knightriders have up their sleeves. The list should have some welcome additions tomorrow

 

[BreadPakoda]

You are forgetting the PSL local talent bowls to the best batsmen in the world - the likes of Kami bhai, Luke Ronchi, and Cameron Delport. So one needs to take that into consideration.

 

[Rana]

People here like to make fun of Faheem Ashraf but

Faheem>> Chahar, Vijay Shankar, Sandeep, Dube, Nataranjan

 

[Rana]

Rahat Ali struggles to get a PSL contract. Now compare Rahat to Chahar

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

I thought we were debating about Indian bench pacers and Pakistani bench pacers. I didn't know likes of Rabada were Indians.

Also, some of these IPL players also play in PSL.

Im not cheering. I just asked how many of local PSL bowlers would get into these attacks. Dont know how superior a sohail Tanveer or Irfan Khan or Shinwari or Rahat Ali is from a sandeep sharma or mohit sharma. They all very mediocre. When it comes to real bench players who would make up the 2nd national XI, India can field an attack from a bowling pool of Chahar, Saini, Mavi, Nagarkoti, Tyagi and Umesh. Pakistan have Hassan Ali, Naseem Shah, Hasnain, Musa to pick from. You would also have to agree that IPL bowlers face far superior batsmen than PSL bowlers. Likes of Hassan Ali, hasnain and Musa would get murdered in IPL.

 

[sweep_shot]

Im not cheering. I just asked how many of local PSL bowlers would get into these attacks. Dont know how superior a sohail Tanveer or Irfan Khan or Shinwari or Rahat Ali is from a sandeep sharma or mohit sharma. They all very mediocre. When it comes to real bench players who would make up the 2nd national XI, India can field an attack from a bowling pool of Chahar, Saini, Mavi, Nagarkoti, Tyagi and Umesh. Pakistan have Hassan Ali, Naseem Shah, Hasnain, Musa to pick from. You would also have to agree that IPL bowlers face far superior batsmen than PSL bowlers. Likes of Hassan Ali, hasnain and Musa would get murdered in IPL.

Hasan Ali is a proven performer. He has helped Pakistan win 2017 Champions Trophy. Hasnain is young and very promising.

Shinwari was instrumental in Pakistan's 5-0 win over Sri Lanka.

You are comparing international bowlers with league bowlers who may never play international cricket (other than odd games against minnows).

 

[BreadPakoda]

People here like to make fun of Faheem Ashraf but

Faheem>> Chahar, Vijay Shankar, Sandeep, Dube, Nataranjan

Debatable. But Faheem is a PSL ATG while the other are nowhere near the chart toppers in IPL.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

Hasan Ali is a proven performer. He has helped Pakistan win 2017 Champions Trophy. Hasnain is young and very promising.

Shinwari was instrumental in Pakistan's 5-0 win over Sri Lanka.

You are comparing international bowlers with league bowlers who may never play international cricket (other than odd games against minnows).

Those International bowlers you talk about also probably wont make it to the Pakistan XI ever again. It's better to keep one's faith on upcoming bowlers than the washed up has beens.

 

[Rana]

Hasnain has already featured for an IPL franchise owner’s team in the CPL. he is criminally underrated here.

Would rather invest time in Hasnain over Umesh Yadav

 

[BreadPakoda]

Rahat Ali struggles to get a PSL contract. Now compare Rahat to Chahar

Chahar averages 14 in 10 T20Is and his best figures are 6/7.

I wouldn't compare them if I were you. At least not now. Will wait for his stats to get poorer and then compare.

 

[sweep_shot]

Those International bowlers you talk about also probably wont make it to the Pakistan XI ever again. It's better to keep one's faith on upcoming bowlers than the washed up has beens.

Hassan is 26. Shinwari is 26. Hasnain is 20. They are not finished yet.

 

[Rana]

Besides Bumrah, Shami and Bhuvi, I really like Saini. This man has the fire! Good bowler, great pace.

Then the IPL depends completely on the overseas fast bowling pool, the Indian bowlers besides the 4 names mentioned and maybe Ishant Sharma do not have a chance to be seriously compared with Pakistani reserve pace bowlers

 

[Rana]

Chahar averages 14 in 10 T20Is and his best figures are 6/7.

I wouldn't compare them if I were you. At least not now. Will wait for his stats to get poorer and then compare.

People like you claim Agarkar is better than Shoaib Akhtar. That’s fine

 

[BreadPakoda]

People like you claim Agarkar is better than Shoaib Akhtar. That’s fine

People like you claim ATG Rahat Ali is better than both!

 

[Rana]

People like you claim ATG Rahat Ali is better than both!

Rahat Ali is more of a bowler than Deepak Chahar

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

Hassan is 26. Shinwari is 26. Hasnain is 20. They are not finished yet.

Well then it seems Pakistan's future is bleaker than I thought.

 

[sweep_shot]

Well then it seems Pakistan's future is bleaker than I thought.

It is clear you haven't seen much of these bowlers.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Hassan is 26. Shinwari is 26. Hasnain is 20. They are not finished yet.

Hasnain isn't bad. There is definitely hope.

I am not sure what happened to Shinwari, he looked good. Hassan is a lost cause.

Ultimately Faheem Ashraf being an ATG in PSL does raise eyebrows. IIRC he was smashed to oblivion in the Asia Cup in UAE.

 

[sweep_shot]

Hasnain isn't bad. There is definitely hope.

I am not sure what happened to Shinwari, he looked good. Hassan is a lost cause.

Ultimately Faheem Ashraf being an ATG in PSL does raise eyebrows. IIRC he was smashed to oblivion in the Asia Cup in UAE.

UAE is exactly not a good place to judge fast bowlers. Flat pitches.

Shinwari was injured (if I remember correctly).

 

[U$ofA]

KKR: Cummins, Ferguson, Mavi

CSK: Ngidi, Deepak Chahar, Sam Curran

DC: Rabada, Nortje, Ishant/Mohit

KXIP: Shami, Cotrell, Jordan

RCB:Steyn, Saini, Umesh

SRH:Bhuvi, Sandeep Sharma, Thampi/Khaleel.

MI: Boult, Bumrah, Pattinson

RR: Archer, Varun Aaron, Tyagi.

How many pakistani fast bowlers could break into these attacks?

This is a good list of starting fast bowlers in the current IPL. A similar list of the recent PSL would be helpful in comparing the two and give an opinion.

 

[Rana]

Indian fans behaving like as if BCCI would not be scrambling hard to make sure a bowler like Rahat Ali is not fast tracked into an IPL deal if he were from their set up. Unfortunately Indians do not have that factory of Fast bowlers that Pakistan, West Indies, England, Australia and South Africa have.

 

[BreadPakoda]

UAE is exactly not a good place to judge fast bowlers. Flat pitches.

Shinwari was injured (if I remember correctly).

But Faheem Ashraf has succeeded in UAE. And he is a bonafide PSL ATG! Why shouldn't he get the credit for it?

 

[U$ofA]

I thought we were debating about Indian bench pacers and Pakistani bench pacers. I didn't know likes of Rabada were Indians.

Also, some of these IPL players also play in PSL.

The title says it is about the fast bowlers in IPL vs. PSL not bench bowlers. So should compare all members in a team.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Indian fans behaving like as if BCCI would not be scrambling hard to make sure a bowler like Rahat Ali is not fast tracked into an IPL deal if he were from their set up. Unfortunately Indians do not have that factory of Fast bowlers that Pakistan, West Indies, England, Australia and South Africa have.

Don't forget youngsta beauties Musa Khan, Bilawal Bhatti, and Taj Wali.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Hasnain has already featured for an IPL franchise owner’s team in the CPL. he is criminally underrated here.

Would rather invest time in Hasnain over Umesh Yadav

I wonder why TKR didn’t call up an Indian pacer instead of Hasnain...

 

[Titan24]

Overseas pace bowling talent is the best in IPL however some of the local talent is pretty ordinary as per any benchmark. Havent seen all of them but, based upon what I have seen. As reference other than 2 or so international Indian pacers I dont think any of the local Indian pacers would make it to the other T20 leagues in the world as overseas players.

 

[Oxfordchamp]

I find it laughable that folks here are comparing IPL bowling to PSL Bowling. Any bowling comparison should take place by looking at the opposing batting talent. IPL has the best of the planet's batsmen playing including the cream of Australia, South Africa England India west indies and new Zealand. These batsman face the cream of bowling talent in the world from all the top countries..what world class batsmen play in the psl..PSL batsmen make any bowler look good....so please stop comparing..this is worse than the kohli Umar akmal comparison and we all know how that went..

 

[shamaan]

Pakistan local talent is much better than indian local talent however indian foreign bowlers are superior to Pakistan foreign bowlers

 

[shamaan]

Arey name the great pakistani talents of PSL. Why not list them?

Husnain
Rauf
Akif javed
Dilbar hussain
Hassan ali

 

[Local.Dada]

May be Pakistan should start playing the bench bowlers or these supremely talented local bowlers from PSL on overseas tours were their main bowlers can’t seem to buy a wicket )

I can’t even recollect when Pakistan bowlers picked 20 wickets in an overseas test match last time or bowled out the opposition completely in a LOI series not involving the usual tours of Bangla and Zimbabwe lol. I think even Zimbabwe won a test and Bangla a series I believe and even Srilanka which whitewashed Pakistan recently.

I know some guys are trying to just stir stuff but there is not even a debate here.

 

[Local.Dada]

I wonder why TKR didn’t call up an Indian pacer instead of Hasnain...

a) They can’t afford one and even if they could
b) BCCi doesn’t allow indian players in other leagues.

Then again that wasn’t exactly rocket sense, basic documented fact but I guess it becomes rocket science for a few

 

[MMHS]

May be Pakistan should start playing the bench bowlers or these supremely talented local bowlers from PSL on overseas tours were their main bowlers can’t seem to buy a wicket )

I can’t even recollect when Pakistan bowlers picked 20 wickets in an overseas test match last time or bowled out the opposition completely in a LOI series not involving the usual tours of Bangla and Zimbabwe lol. I think even Zimbabwe won a test and Bangla a series I believe and even Srilanka which whitewashed Pakistan recently.

I know some guys are trying to just stir stuff but there is not even a debate here.

Last tour of Bangla(dash) was a bit different though, but I think PAK’s T20 attack is a bit different from the tow longer games.

 

[Local.Dada]

On a more serious note, Rashid Latif actually addressed this delusion of some Pakistan fans about great bowling in the PSL. Keyword being some because most of them seem to be pretty knowledgeable and grounded folk.

IPL is played on some of the flattest pitches and smaller boundaries because the public pays to see 6’s and 4’s. So doesn’t matter if it is Starc or Rabada they will have an off day and get tonked in the IPL.

In PSL apart from the recent one Which is played in Pakistan I guess which Was back in the day famous for having some of the flattest pitches in the world the pitches are like of a 3rd or 4th day Test match so even the most mediocre bowler looks unplayable.

Gayle and AB become even bigger beasts due to the pitches in IPL and don’t get the same momentum on these PSL pitches. It explains why guys like Akmal bros constantly top the batting charts and some other random players.

As we saw in the last few games the par score was 150-160 ish where as in India it is usually 180+.

I don’t like trolling or taking jibes at people or indulging in banter all the time but once in a while a good, sensible cricket debate would be great.

These pitches will get even worse as the tournament goes on. Then you will see even bowlers like Sandeep Sharma and Dube become unhittable and even guys like Russell and Bairstow won’t get those 20+ overs like they do.

Jeez sometimes think People.

 

[sweep_shot]

May be Pakistan should start playing the bench bowlers or these supremely talented local bowlers from PSL on overseas tours were their main bowlers can’t seem to buy a wicket )

I can’t even recollect when Pakistan bowlers picked 20 wickets in an overseas test match last time or bowled out the opposition completely in a LOI series not involving the usual tours of Bangla and Zimbabwe lol. I think even Zimbabwe won a test and Bangla a series I believe and even Srilanka which whitewashed Pakistan recently.

I know some guys are trying to just stir stuff but there is not even a debate here.

You are shifting the goal post here. Do you think Indian bench bowlers are better than Pakistani bench bowlers? We are not discussing likes of Bumrah, Shami, and Ishant here. We are discussing players like Chahar, Dube, Sandeep, Mohit etc. Pakistani bench consists of Shinwari, Hassan, Hasnain, Faheem etc.

Take out the foreign imports and IPL bowling doesn't look that appealing.

The point I am trying to raise is, Pakistan have more depths when it comes to pace bowling. India just rely on Bumrah, Shami, and Ishant.

 

[Local.Dada]

Last tour of Bangla(dash) was a bit different though, but I think PAK’s T20 attack is a bit different from the tow longer games.

Bhai that post was for the trolls, let me know what you think of my post above. debates should be constructive.

 

[shamaan]

You are shifting the goal post here. Do you think Indian bench bowlers are better than Pakistani bench bowlers? We are not discussing likes of Bumrah, Shami, and Ishant here. We are discussing players like Chahar, Dube, Sandeep, Mohit etc.

Take out the foreign imports and IPL bowling doesn't look that appealing.

Pakistan bench players are much better than Indians ipl only gets hyped due to the foreign players

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Pakistan local talent is much better than indian local talent however indian foreign bowlers are superior to Pakistan foreign bowlers

This! People are mixing and matching on this thread to suit their agendas

 

[Thunderbolt14]

a) They can’t afford one and even if they could
b) BCCi doesn’t allow indian players in other leagues.

Then again that wasn’t exactly rocket sense, basic documented fact but I guess it becomes rocket science for a few

Sorry they can’t afford Nagarkoti or Mavi over Hasnain? Haha sure. Trust me, regardless of BCCI the selection would have been the same. You can tell by the way they treated Hasnain at TKR versus how they treat their domestic pacers of course not everyone can see what they don’t want to see.

 

[Local.Dada]

You are shifting the goal post here. Do you think Indian bench bowlers are better than Pakistani bench bowlers? We are not discussing likes of Bumrah, Shami, and Ishant here. We are discussing players like Chahar, Dube, Sandeep, Mohit etc.

Take out the foreign imports and IPL bowling doesn't look that appealing.

Ok there is Saini. Also Chahar has a hattrick in T20 Is and that too against your team and has done nothing wrong in any of the international chances he got, why is he worse than some of these random bench players of PSL?

Mohit Sharma outperformed every Pak bowler bar Wahab in the 2015 WC, how is he any different from international TTF’s that play in PSL?

Also Indian management will not allow exposing u-19 fast bowling talent and other promising youngsters in a punishing T20 format unless they are famous as T20 specialists like say Bumrah was when he came on to the scene.

If Boult and Pattinson can do the hard yards, play someone like Sandeep Sharma while giving someone like Mavi,Nagarkotti,Tyagi,Porel,Avesh Khan etc enough exposure by training and getting coached by international trainers.

There is a reason why Shaheen and Nadeem are in the Squad after 1 PSL season and let’s put aside fast bowlers because I cannot convince stubborn mikes who made up their mind that this still the 1980’s Indian attack but there is also a reason why someone like Samson or Gill haven’t been regulars of the national side despite having stellar IPl performances.

We have what is called a “system” to get players in.

Hope that was articulated enough for you

 

[shamaan]

This! People are mixing and matching on this thread to suit their agendas

Ygm stick to the agenda is pakistan bench stronger than india bench!

 

[sweep_shot]

India tried some of their bench pacers. They almost lost 1-2 to Bangladesh at home. Bangladesh beat India in Delhi.

It shows their bench pacers are not that good.

IPL is mostly all about batting. India have great batsmen and there are also some great foreign imports.