Which league has the better fast-bowlers - IPL or PSL?

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

average of 6 vs india
29 vs australia
23 vs n.z

wah wah. what a talunt.how many odi's has he played again?

I just said that Imam-ul-haq has a better batting average than Rohit and Dhawan in ODI's. What's wrong in that? It's a fact. Why are you getting defensive? You can check his stats. Obviously Rohit and Dhawan are better than him just like Shaheen is a better bowler than youngster Deepak Chahar.

 

[tyron_woodley]

I don’t know what Hardik’s bowling status is post injury but pre injury Hardik can easily make it as a bowler alone in all Pakistan teams based on the list I provided above. Shaheen and Hardik opening the bowling would make the Pakistan pace attack look a lot more potent

loool. ok let's not go that far. he is not displacing amir, riaz or shinwari even. Ofcourse the spectualcular hasan ali and Chuck boy junaid imran khan are backups.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I don’t know what Hardik’s bowling status is post injury but pre injury Hardik can easily make it as a bowler alone in all Pakistan teams based on the list I provided above. Shaheen and Hardik opening the bowling would make the Pakistan pace attack look a lot more potent

So Hardik Pandya has stopped bowling these days? Nevermind he can still make it into Indian team on his big hitting abilities and getting out cheaply alone.

 

[tyron_woodley]

I just said that Imam-ul-haq has a better batting average than Rohit and Dhawan in ODI's. What's wrong in that? It's a fact. Why are you getting defensive? You can check his stats. Obviously Rohit and Dhawan are better than him just like Shaheen is a better bowler than youngster Deepak Chahar.

Deepak is a trundler. that alone should dissuade people from comparing him to Pakistan's best bowler. It's an insult to compare chahar to shaheen. .

I am sorry I don't care how good chahar has been in the ipl but at the end of the day trundlers would never get far in odi and tests. He may get away with it in t20 but I don't see him being successful in KO stages where there is a lot at stake.

 

[naseem]

Chahal is holding the purple cap.

Now Cottrell will hold it

 

[Local.Dada]

loool. ok let's not go that far. he is not displacing amir, riaz or shinwari even. Ofcourse the spectualcular hasan ali and Chuck boy junaid imran khan are backups.

Hardik has a fifer in England. Also yes I personally rate Shinwari but where is he or is he so far the pecking order behind all those PSL reserves lol

In tests at least he is far more refined than Naseem and Musa and at least 30 kph faster than Abbas.

The fact that he is also better than Pakistan’s middle order as a bat, he would be the 2nd or 3rd name behind Babar and may be Shaheen who btw hasn’t done a lot in tests

 

[naseem]

PSL cannot attract big names, thats why it doesn't have a window.

Its ridiculed because people like you think that its better than a league that actually has all the big names.

Which actually coming to nothing. Steyn Maxi Phillipe Cummins

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Deepak is a trundler. that alone should dissuade people from comparing him to Pakistan's best bowler. It's an insult to compare chahar to shaheen. .

I am sorry I don't care how good chahar has been in the ipl but at the end of the day trundlers would never get far in odi and tests. He may get away with it in t20 but I don't see him being successful in KO stages where there is a lot at stake.

You are right this time.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Hardik has a fifer in England. Also yes I personally rate Shinwari but where is he or is he so far the pecking order behind all those PSL reserves lol

In tests at least he is far more refined than Naseem and Musa and at least 30 kph faster than Abbas.

The fact that he is also better than Pakistan’s middle order as a bat, he would be the 2nd or 3rd name behind Babar and may be Shaheen who btw hasn’t done a lot in tests

oh wait. you are talking about tests? uhmm let's see.

pandya can't lead an attack like amir though so amir is clearly better.
Yes he is better than musa but do you really think pandya could outbowl naseem in australia? He did better in south africa and England though. I will give you that.

 

[Local.Dada]

oh wait. you are talking about tests? uhmm let's see.

pandya can't lead an attack like amir though so amir is clearly better.
Yes he is better than musa but do you really think pandya could outbowl naseem in australia? He did better in south africa and England though. I will give you that.

What exactly did Naseem do in Australia apart from a couple of 90mph balls that sent some of our Pakistani friends Into a frenzy. He was hobbling after one credit where due a decent spell.

I know some times we reply back in the same tone that’s used on here. Naseem is a very talented bowler and has a future but he is far from finished goods. Someone like Saini is what you call a finished product ready for delivery or even Shaheen.

Also Amir bowled that one spell in CT. Trust me I still get nervous when Amir bowls against us because he is talented but most times it’s the hype that clouds our judgement. He is kind of a limited over Abbas, just play him out for 4 runs an over as he bowls his dobblers and moves it both ways and can be tricky to handle.

 

[shamaan]

What exactly did Naseem do in Australia apart from a couple of 90mph balls that sent some of our Pakistani friends Into a frenzy. He was hobbling after one credit where due a decent spell.

I know some times we reply back in the same tone that’s used on here. Naseem is a very talented bowler and has a future but he is far from finished goods. Someone like Saini is what you call a finished product ready for delivery or even Shaheen.

Also Amir bowled that one spell in CT. Trust me I still get nervous when Amir bowls against us because he is talented but most times it’s the hype that clouds our judgement. He is kind of a limited over Abbas, just play him out for 4 runs an over as he bowls his dobblers and moves it both ways and can be tricky to handle.

Saini has no brains he bowled 6 slower balls .

 

[Titan24]

How many wickets do each one has?

Chahar has more wickets than Rauf and Dilbar combined.

Try again.

I thought you were better than this Titan bro.

Wasim and Ambrose have played more games, picked more wickets and won more matches for their teams than sir Binny.

Now can you say the same for

Shaheen has played 12 T20 internationals vs Aus, NZ, Eng and SA. Chahar has one match against Eng where he went for 43 in his 4 overs and 2 against SA. I am not even mentioning 19 ODIs of Shaheen with 40 wickets at an average of 21, 16 wickets in 5 matches in WC @14.

One is 20 and other is 28.

Not sure how is there a comparison between both by any stretch of imagination. [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION], try again with better research and facts buddy.

 

[ufcfan]

Saini has no brains he bowled 6 slower balls .

Yeah took it seriously,you guys in one match take players to Burj Khalifa heights another day you beat them to dust

 

[shamaan]

Yeah took it seriously,you guys in one match take players to Burj Khalifa heights another day you beat them to dust

What did I take seriously? Who's us guys and who's you guys ?

 

[BreadPakoda]

The fact that it has come down to a comparison b/w Pakistan's frontline bowler, Shaheen and India C bowler, Chahar for point scoring shows what's wrong with Pakistan's pace bowling these days.

Back in 90s, maybe Sialkot XI had better bowlers than Tinu Yohanan and Aavishkar Salvi.

 

[Rana]

The fact that it has come down to a comparison b/w Pakistan's frontline bowler, Shaheen and India C bowler, Chahar for point scoring shows what's wrong with Pakistan's pace bowling these days.

Back in 90s, maybe Sialkot XI had better bowlers than Tinu Yohanan and Aavishkar Salvi.

It was esteemed Pro IPL posters who made the comparison

 

[bala977]

The issue with the debate between Shaheen Afridi vs Deepak Chahar is that it is very binary and at a super high level. IMHO, each have their strengths but the fans on each side don't seem to appreciate the other.

• Swinging conditions in England/NZ - Definitely Shaheen is better
• Bowling sensibly in the middle overs of a ODI game - It is a toss up
• Last over of a ODI/T20 with 10 runs to defend - Definitely Chahar (or even Shardul Thakur before Shaheen)
• .....

I am not sure why Pak fans underrate Chahar. Have you guys even watched him bowl in a tense match situation? It is easy to look up a youtube video and call him a trundler etc., but that would be missing the point.

 

[therealAB]

If u say opaquely say about batting i can say about fielding .....I have learn 4rm u see......I think u guys are being opaqued by $$$$

My point wasn’t that Kohli > Faf at fielding, it was that he is a better batsmen despite having scored less runs this tounament, showing the issue with judging off small sample sizes

 

[naseem]

What exactly did Naseem do in Australia apart from a couple of 90mph balls that sent some of our Pakistani friends Into a frenzy. He was hobbling after one credit where due a decent spell.

I know some times we reply back in the same tone that’s used on here. Naseem is a very talented bowler and has a future but he is far from finished goods. Someone like Saini is what you call a finished product ready for delivery or even Shaheen.

Also Amir bowled that one spell in CT. Trust me I still get nervous when Amir bowls against us because he is talented but most times it’s the hype that clouds our judgement. He is kind of a limited over Abbas, just play him out for 4 runs an over as he bowls his dobblers and moves it both ways and can be tricky to handle.

Naseem is 17 and your finished product Saini whom I thought is a better prospect than other local indian bowlers is already 27....in 2023 world cup if he plays he will be 30..... Naseem is raw and has talent but don't judge him on basis of his overseas tours only . Any rookie will struggle.

 

[naseem]

The fact that it has come down to a comparison b/w Pakistan's frontline bowler, Shaheen and India C bowler, Chahar for point scoring shows what's wrong with Pakistan's pace bowling these days.

Back in 90s, maybe Sialkot XI had better bowlers than Tinu Yohanan and Aavishkar Salvi.

So now Chahar is C grade after singing praises for his average and exploits.....well then taking away ur frontline bowlers Sami Bumrah Bhuvi who is your local A class talent

 

[BreadPakoda]

So now Chahar is C grade after singing praises for his average and exploits.....well then taking away ur frontline bowlers Sami Bumrah Bhuvi who is your local A class talent

Bumrah
Shami
Bhuvi
Ishant
Yadav

They are the top 5 bowlers across formats..usually 3 of them play

Then you have the following who are more like B/C who are part of an experiment every series or two and never consistently picked, although Saini has potential to get into the first reserve

Khaleel
Saini
Shardul
Chahar
Kaul
Siraj

Point is, two decades ago such a comparison wouldn't have been made. You were way ahead of us in the fast bowling department with the Wasims and Akhtars.

 

[BreadPakoda]

In fact, your spin bowling was also arguably better. That argument has probably been put to rest now.

 

[naseem]

Bumrah
Shami
Bhuvi
Ishant
Yadav

They are the top 5 bowlers across formats..usually 3 of them play

Then you have the following who are more like B/C who are part of an experiment every series or two and never consistently picked, although Saini has potential to get into the first reserve

Khaleel
Saini
Shardul
Chahar
Kaul
Siraj

Point is, two decades ago such a comparison wouldn't have been made. You were way ahead of us in the fast bowling department with the Wasims and Akhtars.

During the period of Wasims and Akhtars we couldn't get any info regarding any local players of any country due to lack of media coverage of domestic matches . The kind of exposure these leagues provide to local talent is really not there. We as fans can see from our eye how they r performing too.

In plain logic local pacers of PSL is better than IPL. The quickly this is understood it is better rather than going to Abbas Rao and dollars.

It's a fact

 

[naseem]

Bumrah
Shami
Bhuvi
Ishant
Yadav

They are the top 5 bowlers across formats..usually 3 of them play

Then you have the following who are more like B/C who are part of an experiment every series or two and never consistently picked, although Saini has potential to get into the first reserve

Khaleel
Saini
Shardul
Chahar
Kaul
Siraj

Point is, two decades ago such a comparison wouldn't have been made. You were way ahead of us in the fast bowling department with the Wasims and Akhtars.

If umrah and Bhuvi is your top bowler than you have a reason to worry ....as per cricinfo stats Umesh bowld 211 balls in 72 innings which are bad balls......the stat is 185 off 80 odd innings

 

[Sidilicious]

If umrah and Bhuvi is your top bowler than you have a reason to worry ....as per cricinfo stats Umesh bowld 211 balls in 72 innings which are bad balls......the stat is 185 off 80 odd innings

Bumrah is in the top 3 international bowlers as of now. He is defo better than all Pakistani international bowlers. It is also an accepted fact that the Indian bowling attack is superior to the Pakistani attack. The longer the format, the greater the difference. In T20, the difference is the smallest.

The only question is whose bench strength is better.

 

[MenInG]

Can one ask why Dale Steyn was picked for IPL? How does that stack-up with the high standards of this tournament?

 

[naseem]

Bumrah is in the top 3 international bowlers as of now. He is defo better than all Pakistani international bowlers. It is also an accepted fact that the Indian bowling attack is superior to the Pakistani attack. The longer the format, the greater the difference. In T20, the difference is the smallest.

The only question is whose bench strength is better.

It will be Umesh in place of Umrah....typing error

 

[NishanKonar]

Can one ask why Dale Steyn was picked for IPL? How does that stack-up with the high standards of this tournament?

More to do with his long association with RCB & the fact that he can be good mentor for the younger guys. He is seen as future bowling coach at RCB

 

[naseem]

Bumrah is in the top 3 international bowlers as of now. He is defo better than all Pakistani international bowlers. It is also an accepted fact that the Indian bowling attack is superior to the Pakistani attack. The longer the format, the greater the difference. In T20, the difference is the smallest.

The only question is whose bench strength is better.

Yes in tests india is little ahead but given the age and experience of both sides Pak pace attack can attain that level.....we all don't know what the future test attack will be but it will around Saheen and guys like Naseem Rauf Akif javed and others might play around him from time to time.......one is well oiled established attack and the other one is raw and inexperience and are finding their feet. Its a tough job but Saheen is up there for the task with a smooth action.. and with height he will learn about his art ... The learning curve is high for the 19 yr old Saheen and 17 yr old Naseem. Within few years hope Pak will definitely unearth a few more gems. Limited overs are not an issue the main issue is composing and nurturing a test pace attack which India has done so well.

Pak will reach that level soon.

Problem for india is that their BC grade bowlers are already in their late 20s. Few years down the line they might establish themselves but their learning curve is small and the 19 20 year olds are either not promising or are not given chances.....

 

[Mesozoic]

In plain logic local pacers of PSL is better than IPL. The quickly this is understood it is better rather than going to Abbas Rao and dollars. It's a fact

Ok but how?

You can't just give a random statement, say it's a fact and expect everyone to go with it. Atleast give some reasoning.

 

[naseem]

Bumrah is in the top 3 international bowlers as of now. He is defo better than all Pakistani international bowlers. It is also an accepted fact that the Indian bowling attack is superior to the Pakistani attack. The longer the format, the greater the difference. In T20, the difference is the smallest.

The only question is whose bench strength is better.

The bench strength of Psl and pak is better..the national t20 competition will prove that

 

[MenInG]

More to do with his long association with RCB & the fact that he can be good mentor for the younger guys. He is seen as future bowling coach at RCB

So IPL is a place for friends? How does that stand up to assertions that this is place for high quality players and ruthless competition etc?

If you need a mentor, hire him as a mentor and not as a player!

Then we have batsmen scoring hundreds against him - where does that leave the reputation of the league?

 

[Mamoon]

The bench strength of Psl and pak is better..the national t20 competition will prove that

No point in having better bench strength when your main bowling attack is far inferior.

You take all formats, and perhaps only Shaheen would get into the Indian attack and that too just as a third seamer in Limited Overs.

 

[NishanKonar]

So IPL is a place for friends? How does that stand up to assertions that this is place for high quality players and ruthless competition etc?

If you need a mentor, hire him as a mentor and not as a player!

Then we have batsmen scoring hundreds against him - where does that leave the reputation of the league?

Well Dale Steyn is still playing for South Africa T20 team. 1 bad game does not really mean much - even Pat Cummins got whacked in his first game

Plus not a bad idea to have a senior guy in ur squad. Experience do count in high pressure games

 

[Usman Chadda]

Hilarious to see Musa getting mentioned so many times in this thread.

Also please refrain from calling Hardik Pandya a bowler. He's barely a cricketer.

 

[naseem]

No point in having better bench strength when your main bowling attack is far inferior.

You take all formats, and perhaps only Shaheen would get into the Indian attack and that too just as a third seamer in Limited Overs.

So no point of having bench or reserves .....IPL has taken u out of this world it seems......a silly hilarious post unlike u

 

[naseem]

Ok but how?

You can't just give a random statement, say it's a fact and expect everyone to go with it. Atleast give some reasoning.

Local players of PSL
UMAID ASIF
SAMEEN
AKIF JAVED
HASNAIN
NASEEM
SINWARI
MUSA
RAuf
MIR HAMZA
RAHAT

local pacers of IPL
SAINI
CHAHAR
WARRIER
TRIPATHI
NAGARJUN
MAVI
KRISHNA
DUBE
MOHIT
UMESH

I have taken out the cream of Bhuvi Sami Bumrah Wahab Amir Saheen....decide for yourself.

 

[Mamoon]

So no point of having bench or reserves .....IPL has taken u out of this world it seems......a silly hilarious post unlike u

Again, what is the point of celebrating fantasy bench strength when our main bowlers are inferior to India’s?

Indian main bowlers are consistent and fit. They play all year long without breaking down. So what if our bench strength is supposed to be better?

If Pakistan and India play in a series in any format anywhere in the world, Indian bowlers would outperform our bowlers.

 

[Oxfordchamp]

Again, what is the point of celebrating fantasy bench strength when our main bowlers are inferior to India’s?

Indian main bowlers are consistent and fit. They play all year long without breaking down. So what if our bench strength is supposed to be better?

If Pakistan and India play in a series in any format anywhere in the world, Indian bowlers would outperform our bowlers.

Why are people so desperate to compare with IPL..simply because its the best and the gold standard..the more such threads are opened, the more obvious it becomes the desperation..

 

[cricketjoshila]

Can one ask why Dale Steyn was picked for IPL? How does that stack-up with the high standards of this tournament?

Steyn avgs 18.35 in T20Is. Has a economy of less than 7. He still plays T20Is for the Saffer national team and thats testimonial of his ability and standards.

His stats are far better than some of the bowlers who are hyped up on this forum.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So IPL is a place for friends? How does that stand up to assertions that this is place for high quality players and ruthless competition etc?

If you need a mentor, hire him as a mentor and not as a player!

Then we have batsmen scoring hundreds against him - where does that leave the reputation of the league?

The last T20I played by Steyn agsinist Australia he had figures of 2 for 31. On a pitch where Rabada went for 15 an over. This was in Feb 2020.

The reputation of the league is only enhanced by Steyn's presence.

 

[naseem]

Again, what is the point of celebrating fantasy bench strength when our main bowlers are inferior to India’s?

Indian main bowlers are consistent and fit. They play all year long without breaking down. So what if our bench strength is supposed to be better?

If Pakistan and India play in a series in any format anywhere in the world, Indian bowlers would outperform our bowlers.

What are the ages of the main bowlers .......may I know......and plz i have laughed a lot yesterday seeing the level of bowling and fielding plz don't make me laugh again...........Bench strength is must in team sports

 

[naseem]

Why are people so desperate to compare with IPL..simply because its the best and the gold standard..the more such threads are opened, the more obvious it becomes the desperation..

Why are people desperate to label everything of IPL as THE GOLD STANDARD.

 

[naseem]

I have seen ppl running from truth.....shying away from truth but this thread is mind blowing.........

Topic changed to quality of batsman then dollar then to presence of international stars then to Abbas Rao who have retired.......way to go boys

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Local players of PSL
UMAID ASIF
SAMEEN
AKIF JAVED
HASNAIN
NASEEM
SINWARI
MUSA
RAuf
MIR HAMZA
RAHAT

local pacers of IPL
SAINI
CHAHAR
WARRIER
TRIPATHI
NAGARJUN
MAVI
KRISHNA
DUBE
MOHIT
UMESH

I have taken out the cream of Bhuvi Sami Bumrah Wahab Amir Saheen....decide for yourself.

Most of the indian local players you mentioned will remain local for a long time. Most of them are mediocre and I am pretty sure these same IPL fans do not want to see them any where near Indian national team. I have seen these same fans abusing great players like Mohit Sharma, Gony, Dube and Chahar already. That explains how good they are.

 

[Mesozoic]

Local players of PSL
UMAID ASIF
SAMEEN
AKIF JAVED
HASNAIN
NASEEM
SINWARI
MUSA
RAuf
MIR HAMZA
RAHAT

local pacers of IPL
SAINI
CHAHAR
WARRIER
TRIPATHI
NAGARJUN
MAVI
KRISHNA
DUBE
MOHIT
UMESH

I have taken out the cream of Bhuvi Sami Bumrah Wahab Amir Saheen....decide for yourself.

Decide on what grounds? You're the one who said PSL local bowlers are better than the IPL ones. Now you're just giving some random names without any argument and telling me to decide? Provide stats, figures, something......

Anyways good job on rejecting Nagarkoti, Ankit Rajput, Avesh Khan etc. in that IPL list. Mohit Sharma lol. Dube is a batting all-rounder. Who on earth are Nagarjun and Tripathi? Got to say.....awful nitpicking.

I don't blame you for your stance though. Bowling to substandard batsmen does make bowlers look better than they actual are. But once they make that jump into the top tier, their true potential will be found out just like Haris Rauf who averages 34 with an economy of 9 in int'l cricket that too after playing Bangladesh A and England Lions.

 

[Mamoon]

What are the ages of the main bowlers .......may I know......and plz i have laughed a lot yesterday seeing the level of bowling and fielding plz don't make me laugh again...........Bench strength is must in team sports

Bench strength is a must, but so is the quality of the main bowlers.

Pakistani fans can hype up the young bowlers as usual, but you can guarantee that in the long run, the Indian bowlers will end up having better careers.

 

[naseem]

I m waiting 4 nationalt20..... It will go alongside IPL too........we will see the performance ourselves and what I m saying will b proved

 

[MenInG]

Decide on what grounds? You're the one who said PSL local bowlers are better than the IPL ones. Now you're just giving some random names without any argument and telling me to decide? Provide stats, figures, something......

Anyways good job on rejecting Nagarkoti, Ankit Rajput, Avesh Khan etc. in that IPL list. Mohit Sharma lol. Dube is a batting all-rounder. Who on earth are Nagarjun and Tripathi? Got to say.....awful nitpicking.

I don't blame you for your stance though. Bowling to substandard batsmen does make bowlers look better than they actual are. But once they make that jump into the top tier, their true potential will be found out just like Haris Rauf who averages 34 with an economy of 9 in int'l cricket that too after playing Bangladesh A and England Lions.

Would you say the same when people score 100s in IPL off sub standard bowlers?

 

[Mamoon]

I have seen ppl running from truth.....shying away from truth but this thread is mind blowing.........

Topic changed to quality of batsman then dollar then to presence of international stars then to Abbas Rao who have retired.......way to go boys

If you want to hear the truth, I will give you the truth.

India is a much better team than Pakistan in all formats.

IPL is a much better league than PSL in every aspect.

India has a much better bowling attack than India in all formats.

The hyped up young bowlers of Pakistan like Naseem, Hasnain, Musa etc. will have inferior careers to their counterparts.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Why are people so desperate to compare with IPL..simply because its the best and the gold standard..the more such threads are opened, the more obvious it becomes the desperation..

Are players in IPL using bats and balls made from Gold or what? Why can't their performances be discussed or questioned? Are IPL players above criticism? If you don't like threads like these or you are too sensitive then you are more than welcome to leave this discussion forum.

 

[naseem]

Bench strength is a must, but so is the quality of the main bowlers.

Pakistani fans can hype up the young bowlers as usual, but you can guarantee that in the long run, the Indian bowlers will end up having better careers.

Saini is 27 Chahar is 28.....khaleel shiraj and others are in their mid 20s........on the other hand u have 20 year olds.........lets see who end up with what

 

[tyron_woodley]

saini
khaleel
siraj
Aaron
ankit
avesh khan
nathu singh
porel
nagarkoti

all can bowl fast. They aren't scrubs.

actually even in terms of reserve depth india is better. I take it back.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Decide on what grounds? You're the one who said PSL local bowlers are better than the IPL ones. Now you're just giving some random names without any argument and telling me to decide? Provide stats, figures, something......

Anyways good job on rejecting Nagarkoti, Ankit Rajput, Avesh Khan etc. in that IPL list. Mohit Sharma lol. Dube is a batting all-rounder. Who on earth are Nagarjun and Tripathi? Got to say.....awful nitpicking.

I don't blame you for your stance though. Bowling to substandard batsmen does make bowlers look better than they actual are. But once they make that jump into the top tier, their true potential will be found out just like Haris Rauf who averages 34 with an economy of 9 in int'l cricket that too after playing Bangladesh A and England Lions.

Same can be said about batsman who bat against substandard bowlers in IPL and are exposed badly when they bat against international teams.

 

[Rana]

Same can be said about batsman who bat against substandard bowlers in IPL and are exposed badlt when they bat against international teams.

It’s all for everyone to see when they crash out of the Semi finals

 

[Rana]

If you want to hear the truth, I will give you the truth.

India is a much better team than Pakistan in all formats.

IPL is a much better league than PSL in every aspect.

India has a much better bowling attack than India in all formats.

The hyped up young bowlers of Pakistan like Naseem, Hasnain, Musa etc. will have inferior careers to their counterparts.

Yes. And Shubman Gill is already better than all asian batsmen before his international debut

 

[Rana]

I will remind the world again and again. The same poster who claims Pakistani bowlers will not live up to their counterparts also claimed Shubman Gill is already better than all asian batsmen besides the Indian ones a few days after the u19 wc.

He shouldn’t be taken seriously just like Mark Fuhrman couldn’t be taken seriously in the OJ Simpson trial

 

[Mesozoic]

Would you say the same when people score 100s in IPL off sub standard bowlers?

Again. On what basis are they labelled "sub standard"?

Are Steyn, Chahal and Saini "substandard" ?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Would you say the same when people score 100s in IPL off sub standard bowlers?

Most IPL teams have atleast 2 regular international. Some even field 3 or 4. So there would be few sub standard bowlers.Most Top bowlers of all test teams line up in the IPL auctions and play the IPL.

OTOH how many top batsmen from around the world play psl?

 

[Rana]

Again. On what basis are they labelled "sub standard"?

Are Steyn, Chahal and Saini "substandard" ?

Erm yes

 

[Rana]

Most IPL teams have atleast 2 regular international. Some even field 3 or 4. So there would be few sub standard bowlers.Most Top bowlers of all test teams line up in the IPL auctions and play the IPL.

OTOH how many top batsmen from around the world play psl?

What do the ‘top’ international batsmen do when they play PSL?

They do jack! But they are a different beast all together in the IPL because of substandard bowling

 

[cricketjoshila]

It’s all for everyone to see when they crash out of the Semi finals

Pakistan doesn't even reach semi finals.

 

[naseem]

Again. On what basis are they labelled "sub standard"?

Are Steyn, Chahal and Saini "substandard" ?

Go watch tomorrow highlights

 

[Rana]

Pakistan doesn't even reach semi finals.

So the standard of success is now to reach a semi final because that’s all the Indians can achieve these days?

 

[Mesozoic]

IPL's substandard bowlers

Bumrah
Archer
Cummins
Rashid
Boult
Bhuvi
Ferguson
Shami
Chahal
Rabada
Steyn
Kuldeep
Ashwin

PSL's world beating batsmen

Luke Ronchi
Kamran Akmal
Cameron Delport
Ahmed Shehzad
Dinesh Ramdin
Philip salt
Samit Patel
Asif Ali
Ravi Bopara
Ben Dunk
Ahsan Ali

 

[Rana]

Definitely not the best bowling standard league but most definitely a league where dreams can come true. Especially when Shivam Dube can get a good opportunity as a bowler

 

[naseem]

Pakistan doesn't even reach semi finals.

Pak was definitely the top 4 team unlucky to miss out on semis....

 

[Mesozoic]

So the standard of success is now to reach a semi final because that’s all the Indians can achieve these days?

It's always better to reach semis or finals than go crashing out of the group stage.

Atleast, when you eventually win ab event, it won't be labelled as a useless "fluke" by your own ex-cricketers.

 

[naseem]

IPL's substandard bowlers

Bumrah
Archer
Cummins
Rashid
Boult
Bhuvi
Ferguson
Shami
Chahal
Rabada
Steyn
Kuldeep
Ashwin

PSL's world beating batsmen

Luke Ronchi
Kamran Akmal
Cameron Delport
Ahmed Shehzad
Dinesh Ramdin
Philip salt
Samit Patel
Asif Ali
Ravi Bopara
Ben Dunk
Ahsan Ali

Keep shying away 4rm topic

 

[cricketjoshila]

What do the ‘top’ international batsmen do when they play PSL?

They do jack! But they are a different beast all together in the IPL because of substandard bowling

How many top batsmen play PSL?

The leading run scorer in psl 2020 was Babar Azam.

Rest of the names are Luke Ronchi, Kamran Akmal, Shadab Khan, Chris Lynn. Thats the quality of psl bowling.

PSL hardly has any batsmen of the quality of Kohli Smith Kane Buttler Bairstow Rahul Morgan etc etc. When they dont play psl regularly how will they score runs?

 

[Mesozoic]

What do the ‘top’ international batsmen do when they play PSL?

They do jack! But they are a different beast all together in the IPL because of substandard bowling

Remind me when exactly did Warner, Kohli, Smith, Bairstow, Buttler, Maxwell, Williamson, Finch, Faf and QDK play the PSL ?

I don't quite remember.

 

[naseem]

Most amount of wickets in internationals is not a reflection of the league though. I mean there are no Pak bowlers in top 10 wicket takers in test cricket where as India has 2 (one is a fast bowler). So does it mean India historically had better test bowlers than Pakistan?

Also, if Pak's T20 bowlers are so good and Indian batsmen only scoring runs again mediocre IPL bowlers, what is Pakistan's record against India in T20Is?

Keep it to PSL and IPL local bowlers mate

 

[Mesozoic]

Go watch tomorrow highlights

Yeah I'll surely watch "Tomorrow highlights". Thanks.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So the standard of success is now to reach a semi final because that’s all the Indians can achieve these days?

Pakistanis cannot even achieve that.

Yes the objective is always to reach the knockouts and then take it one game at a time from there.

 

[Rana]

Pak was definitely the top 4 team unlucky to miss out on semis....

Was great to beat both finalists, which India couldn’t

 

[Mesozoic]

Erm yes

So Chahal, Steyn , Saini who have proven themselves at the biggest stage are substandard but a bunch of nobodies like Akif Javed , Dilbar , Musa etc etc are world beaters.

Sure mate. Whatever you say.

 

[Mamoon]

Morgan, Roy, Hales and Munro.

I think these are the only four quality, active international batsmen that play in PSL.

And Morgan always runs away before the Pakistan leg of the tournament.

That is the reality of PSL. A nothing league in terms of batting quality.

No wonder substandard bowlers end up with great figures. We are talking about a league where a glorified tail-ender like Shadab was one of the best batsmen this year.

 

[Mamoon]

Was great to beat both finalists, which India couldn’t

Small teams celebrate beating the finalists after getting eliminated in the group stage due to an awful NRR.

Big teams are disappointed at losing semifinals.

That is the difference between the mentality of Pakistani and Indian fans.

When the team becomes mediocre, so do the fans.

 

[Rana]

Pakistanis cannot even achieve that.

Yes the objective is always to reach the knockouts and then take it one game at a time from there.

If the objective is to get knocked out then I guess Indians have been better at getting knocked out in the Semis

Well done world semi final team of the decade to India

 

[Rana]

Small teams celebrate beating the finalists after getting eliminated in the group stage due to an awful NRR.

Big teams are disappointed at losing semifinals.

That is the difference between the mentality of Pakistani and Indian fans.

When the team becomes mediocre, so do the fans.

Shubman Gill