Which league has the better fast-bowlers - IPL or PSL?

[naseem]

How can you say Naseem is better than Nagarkotti? For example if you see Umesh Yadav or Ishant bowl in the IPL vs say I don’t know Rauf or someone bowl in the PSL and knock over Delports etc of the world would you declare him a better bowler than them?

India has a settled bowling attack and it will be tough for a young bowler to break through, Pakistan is at the stage where they are throwing everything to see what sticks and at times it may work but that’s not an ideal way to groom talent.

Sorry but I don’t see any Pakistan bowler in recent rules bar Wahab who is on his last legs and has had a mediocre career to maintain the intensity in his 3rd or 4th spells. There are plenty of freelance T20 bowlers in the world today and if Pakistan wants to be the leader in the market good for them but is it really good for Pakistan cricket?

U don't have to watch PSL....U can check his performance in the last Bigbash.....and he is not even main bowler ......a reserve bowler

 

[Usman Chadda]

And lasted how many overs exactly?

Naseem Shah is faster than every Indian bowler, not sure why you are even debating this. Infact, Naseem, Shaheen, Hasnain and Rauf is pretty much a top-tier pace attack in terms of speed, right up there with Australia, England and South Africa.

It's a shame they are nowhere close to the top 5 teams in terms of skill level. Speed isn't everything.

 

[shamaan]

This is so true. Same with the batsmen. But a lot of people don’t understand this.

And because of that there is so much hype around Pakistani players who’ve barely played 20 games. As if they were picked due to astronomical talent. Look at the hype around Naseem, Rizwan, and even Haider Ali. Latter has played only one game and just notice the hype. As per some, Rizwan is already a star player. Same Rizwan if fails would be called a tried and tested and the hype brigade will latch on to some new Shehzada..

Haider ali has played u19s and domestic before he played psl

 

[cricketjoshila]

Fact is Boult Cummins Archer Rabada heck even Hazelwood Curran are a must in a IPL attack .......but not in PSL.........all ends here only....

Fact is they don't play PSL.

 

[naseem]

Fact is they don't play PSL.

Fact is they don't needed now Bumrah too might be unwanted

 

[Rana]

Bumrah’s PSL contract is in danger now

 

[Mesozoic]

Fact is they don't needed now Bumrah too might be unwanted

You don't need Bumrah, Archer and Rabada to handle Shehzad,Ramdin, Walton etc.

Faheem Ashraf , Anwar Ali , Sohail khan etc are enough.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Fact is they don't needed now Bumrah too might be unwanted

Fact is PSL cant afford them. They are too big and too costly.

Thats the bitter truth which you guys cant handle.

 

[Mamoon]

Overseas fast bowlers in PSL 2020:

Steyn
Tymal Mills
Chris Jordan
McClenaghan

But PSL has better bowling than IPL because it has ATGs like Rauf and Dilbar Hussain.

 

[IMMY69]

Fact is PSL cant afford them. They are too big and too costly.

Thats the bitter truth which you guys cant handle.

and whose fault is that?

A couple of million bucks for a cricketer over a couple of months is criminal...

Also the two months is around 5 weeks too long for pathetic quality cricket

 

[Rana]

and whose fault is that?

A couple of million bucks for a cricketer over a couple of months is criminal...

Also the two months is around 5 weeks too long for pathetic quality cricket

Bro the money argument is baseless

If there is an equal window given to PSL, the same Cummins, Boult, Archer, Rabada and Cotteral will play for $100k for 4-6 weeks work

Pro cricketers never let free money go. Why else was the big gun Ab Devilliers playing PSL? No such thing as letting easy money go for mercenaries

 

[OldWarHorse]

Bro the money argument is baseless

If there is an equal window given to PSL, the same Cummins, Boult, Archer, Rabada and Cotteral will play for $100k for 4-6 weeks work

Pro cricketers never let free money go. Why else was the big gun Ab Devilliers playing PSL? No such thing as letting easy money go for mercenaries

The window wont come without the money. Players wont drop out of international commitments unless they get paid that well. Only then will the window come

 

[Rana]

The window wont come without the money. Players wont drop out of international commitments unless they get paid that well. Only then will the window come

If all of these big name cricketers have 4 weeks free and the chance to earn $100-200k, they will jump on the opportunity to grab that money. Not sure where we can buy these windows from though

 

[sindhiboy]

whats happened to bumrah? covid break didnt do him well

 

[OldWarHorse]

If all of these big name cricketers have 4 weeks free and the chance to earn $100-200k, they will jump on the opportunity to grab that money. Not sure where we can buy these windows from though

Wont get such a window..will have to disrupt existing ones to make one..too many t20 leagues around and ICC comps coming on

 

[Rajdeep]

Though we all agree Pakistan always had better bowlers than India but not sure what to make of these high scores in National T20 Cup. Looks like 200 being scored regularly there against talented Pakistani young bowlers.

 

[MHN1293]

Though we all agree Pakistan always had better bowlers than India but not sure what to make of these high scores in National T20 Cup. Looks like 200 being scored regularly there against talented Pakistani young bowlers.

I agree bowling has been poor but u have to take into the account the short 50 to 60m boundaries and the awful feilding dosent help the bowling either.

 

[Rajdeep]

I agree bowling has been poor but u have to take into the account the short 50 to 60m boundaries and the awful feilding dosent help the bowling either.

But what you are ignoring is IPL bowlers are bowling against likes of Butler, Smith, Rohit, AB Devilliers etc. Bowlers in National t20 cup bowling to much lesser batsmen.

After all the hype, I watched some National t20 cup today live in youtube and was left dissapointing. Most of the bowlers were atricious and like bowling machines. Then I looked stats in cricinfo and thats been the case for bowlers in the entire tournament. So not sure what all the hoopla was about Pakistani local bowlers.

 

[ethan hunt]

Good to see Shane Watson rolling back the years and putting on a display.
Nostalgic.
After his comments on Psl having the best standard of bowling its nice to see him find form against bowling of a slightly lower standard.

 

[Varun]

Overseas fast bowlers in PSL 2020:

Steyn
Tymal Mills
Chris Jordan
McClenaghan

But PSL has better bowling than IPL because it has ATGs like Rauf and Dilbar Hussain.

That Tymal Mills is a mercenary. I remember he once played an England v India T20 series as basically an audition for the IPL.

 

[Rajdeep]

10th match national t20 cup:

Amir - 4 overs 41 runs
Musa - 4 overs 37 runs
Rauf - 4 overs 38 runs

And all those against batting line up of Khurram Manzoor, Azam Khan, Sarjeel Khan, Ehsaan Ali etc.

 

[leg-side-flick]

Why are you so offended?
He only said that Psl had a higher bowling standard.
No need to get worked up. Let him entertain and wish him well.

Chris woakes also spoke highly of pak bowling after pasting them all over the park in first test....

 

[cricketjoshila]

Good to see Shane Watson rolling back the years and putting on a display.
Nostalgic.
After his comments on Psl having the best standard of bowling its nice to see him find form against bowling of a slightly lower standard.

Considering Watson was the top run getter in 2019 with a SR of 140 plus, its evident which league has lower standard.

 

[DRsohail]

Of Course IPL. PSL at best his second best bowling after IPL.

 

[naseem]

Chris woakes also spoke highly of pak bowling after pasting them all over the park in first test....

Ohh so u have forgotten what Curran at no.8 did to u in tests ......kuch yaad aaya HALWA AUR PYAAR

 

[naseem]

Considering Watson was the top run getter in 2019 with a SR of 140 plus, its evident which league has lower standard.

Thank Almighty u haven't mention Kamran Akmal.......LOL..

Good u know so many PSL stats looks like u have followed Psl closely

 

[BreadPakoda]

Considering Watson was the top run getter in 2019 with a SR of 140 plus, its evident which league has lower standard.

Watson has always done well in Asian conditions so I’m not surprised he’s been a top batsman in PSL.

 

[arunpsm]

just curious, sorry I missed this thread in PP. Where is Bobby Azam in National T20 - doesn't he lead Central Punjab? but i didnt find him in the score card...

 

[naseem]

10th match national t20 cup:

Amir - 4 overs 41 runs
Musa - 4 overs 37 runs
Rauf - 4 overs 38 runs

And all those against batting line up of Khurram Manzoor, Azam Khan, Sarjeel Khan, Ehsaan Ali etc.

Ha ha ha....so much following......Sharjeel was out first over.......
And Rauf took his wicket.....

U haven't mention the full scorecard......

Northern 204/5
Zeeshan 84 Haider 35 Ali imran 27
Sindh 191/7

Musa 4 37 0
RAuf 4 38 2
Amir 4 41 1
Shadab 4 34 2

Sharjeel 0 manzoor 64 Azam 55
Ahsan Ali 4

Natural it's a high scoring pitch and a close game infact what u expect from a high scoring match

On other hand...

KXIP 178/4
CSK 181/0 LOL
Some stats..

SAMI 3.4 35 0
HARPREET 4 41 0

 

[naseem]

Actually I have forgotten about this thread but the amount of craze it generated
Lajawab

 

[Mesozoic]

Jeez I thought the delusions would die down a bit after seeing how the frontline bowlers got thrashed apart by Khurram Manzoors and Anwar Alis but nope......

These bowlers should pray to God for PSL to never get out of the Ronchi, Walton, Ramdin, Delport layer....

Their con-jobs will get blown away.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Thank Almighty u haven't mention Kamran Akmal.......LOL..

Good u know so many PSL stats looks like u have followed Psl closely

Heard of Statsguru?

 

[naseem]

Jeez I thought the delusions would die down a bit after seeing how the frontline bowlers got thrashed apart by Khurram Manzoors and Anwar Alis but nope......

These bowlers should pray to God for PSL to never get out of the Ronchi, Walton, Ramdin, Delport layer....

Their con-jobs will get blown away.

So much following........some stats of the bowlers from national t20...

Player M. W. O Eco Sr. Ave
RAUF. 4. 10. 16. 7.5 9.6. 12
MUSA. 4. 7. 16. 7.25 13.7 16.57
Saheen 3. 7. 12. 8. 10.2. 13.71
Shadab. 4. 8. 16. 7.31. 12. 14.62

3 of the bowlers played yesterday and judging by their performance in a high scoring match they r being mocked.....

Common Amir is coming back from injury and posters here need to up their Cricket IQ......a bit


Can I know the stats of

Undakat
NATRAJAN
Mavi
Nagarkoti
HARPREET
Saini
Dube
Thakur
Kaul

And others

 

[naseem]

Heard of Statsguru?

Yes ...... Stats guru...but....but then Kami is not the leading scorer as many claimed..

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes ...... Stats guru...but....but then Kami is not the leading scorer as many claimed..

Kami was leading scorer in 2017 and second highest in 2018.

He is PSL's all timr leading run getter.

 

[naseem]

Kami was leading scorer in 2017 and second highest in 2018.

He is PSL's all timr leading run getter.

He is a domestic giant.....bro.....so it's natural...... But don't see him staying there for long......Zeeshan Haider Abdullah....all coming up.....plus Babar Sharjeel..... So his record won't stay.....although he might play for few more years....

 

[Rana]

He is a domestic giant.....bro.....so it's natural...... But don't see him staying there for long......Zeeshan Haider Abdullah....all coming up.....plus Babar Sharjeel..... So his record won't stay.....although he might play for few more years....

Plus he’s always looking to do the bare minimum to somehow creep back into the national side. Of course he will bring his A game in the PSL to get noticed, he still doesn’t get selected for the National side though because the PCB know that he is a waste of time

 

[Mesozoic]

Can I know the stats of

Undakat
NATRAJAN
Mavi
Nagarkoti
HARPREET
Saini
Dube
Thakur
Kaul

And others

Oh dear.

So, the excuse for your frontline bowlers getting smashed by a few domestic nobodies is that some Indian domestic bowlers too getting smashed by int'l superstars.

You've done an awful job of defending the undefendable..

 

[Ab Fan]

This thread has crossed all levels of awful comparisons that can be made to compare Indian and Pakistani cricketers.

There was a time when we used to compare the best bowlers or best batters in the world, now this hierarchy has gone to such lower levels that we are feeling happy by comparing the bowling attack at domestic level, what's next, street level comparisons??

How many fast bowlers are produced in Sheikhupura district in Pakistan as compared to Amroha district in Uttar Pradesh?

Domestic level by definition is itself a lower level where the players are not finished products but actually learn and improve their game to become international level so that they can compete against international quality of batsmen. There is no pleasure in having good domestic level of bowlers unless they are not doing well at international level for their country.

 

[Rana]

This thread has crossed all levels of awful comparisons that can be made to compare Indian and Pakistani cricketers.

There was a time when we used to compare the best bowlers or best batters in the world, now this hierarchy has gone to such lower levels that we are feeling happy by comparing the bowling attack at domestic level, what's next, street level comparisons??

How many fast bowlers are produced in Sheikhupura district in Pakistan as compared to Amroha district in Uttar Pradesh?

Domestic level by definition is itself a lower level where the players are not finished products but actually learn and improve their game to become international level so that they can compete against international quality of batsmen. There is no pleasure in having good domestic level of bowlers unless they are not doing well at international level for their country.

But but but...The IPL standards are so high that a international batsman like QDK needed a track like Sharjah to get back in form

 

[Indiafan]

So much following........some stats of the bowlers from national t20...

Player M. W. O Eco Sr. Ave
RAUF. 4. 10. 16. 7.5 9.6. 12
MUSA. 4. 7. 16. 7.25 13.7 16.57
Saheen 3. 7. 12. 8. 10.2. 13.71
Shadab. 4. 8. 16. 7.31. 12. 14.62

3 of the bowlers played yesterday and judging by their performance in a high scoring match they r being mocked.....

Common Amir is coming back from injury and posters here need to up their Cricket IQ......a bit


Can I know the stats of

Undakat
NATRAJAN
Mavi
Nagarkoti
HARPREET
Saini
Dube
Thakur
Kaul

And others

But those indian bowlers you mentioned are bowling against the likes of AB Devillers, Russell, and other legends of the game. While the pakistani bowlers are bowling against some domestic batsmen

 

[naseem]

Oh dear.

So, the excuse for your frontline bowlers getting smashed by a few domestic nobodies is that some Indian domestic bowlers too getting smashed by int'l superstars.

You've done an awful job of defending the undefendable..

Yeah u r doing a comical job....of saying
Paddikal. Tewatia Archer et all as Intl superstars....
How low IQ one posses to find international players in a domestic tournament
I haven't defending the HALWA bowlers like Undakat et all.......which u guys are doing...
I have given the overall stats till now including tomorrow's High scoring encounter...

U don't have the guts to dig stats of HALWA bowlers it seems...

 

[Rana]

I have a dream, that we will one day see a Indian bowlers not bowl 3 slower balls an over in T20 or ODI. If you have been blessed with fast bowling, even with the power of bowling 135ks, then please use that power without fearing of the result. Your only young and energetic once in your life!

 

[Mesozoic]

Yeah u r doing a comical job....of saying
Paddikal. Tewatia Archer et all as Intl superstars....
How low IQ one posses to find international players in a domestic tournament
I haven't defending the HALWA bowlers like Undakat et all.......which u guys are doing...
I have given the overall stats till now including tomorrow's High scoring encounter...

U don't have the guts to dig stats of HALWA bowlers it seems...

Okay I've read this post six times now but have failed to see the point you're so desperately trying to make.

I give up and accept that Amir and Shaheen are better T20 bowlers than Unadkat and Kaul. You win.

 

[Mesozoic]

I have a dream, that we will one day see a Indian bowlers not bowl 3 slower balls an over in T20 or ODI. If you have been blessed with fast bowling, even with the power of bowling 135ks, then please use that power without fearing of the result. Your only young and energetic once in your life!

While you're at it, also dream that your frontline bowler Amir doesn't bowl three "cutters" at 115 kph in the very first over of an ODI or a T20 or that the other frontline bowler Abbas crosses the 125 KPH mark with the brand new red cherry

 

[naseem]

But those indian bowlers you mentioned are bowling against the likes of AB Devillers, Russell, and other legends of the game. While the pakistani bowlers are bowling against some domestic batsmen

That some domestic batsmen are happen 2 be..

Sharjeel
Hafeez
Maqsood
Masood
Imam
Haris Sohail....
Umar Amin. (domestic giant )
Upcoming players like.
Haider Ali
Abdullah Shafique
Zeeshan Malik
Iftikhar
Rohail...

All are very good t20 bat.......and pitches have been fresh and true with fast outfield...

There has been poor fielding and some ordinary stuff but u can't judge them based
On one match

Yes IPL is a Intl tournament and at a much
Bigger scale but tbh bowling esp at death is pretty ordinary.....brother

 

[naseem]

Okay I've read this post six times now but have failed to see the point you're so desperately trying to make.

I give up and accept that Amir and Shaheen are better T20 bowlers than Unadkat and Kaul. You win.

Not only Amir Saheen but Rauf Wahab Musa and some extent Ahmad Butt looked good till now......
Ind have good bowlers bro but they aren't getting chances where is Porel Tyagi...???

 

[naseem]

Not only Amir Saheen but Rauf Wahab Musa and some extent Ahmad Butt looked good till now......
Ind have good bowlers bro but they aren't getting chances where is Porel Tyagi...???

Amir infact is coming from injury....

 

[Thunderbolt14]

This thread has crossed all levels of awful comparisons that can be made to compare Indian and Pakistani cricketers.

There was a time when we used to compare the best bowlers or best batters in the world, now this hierarchy has gone to such lower levels that we are feeling happy by comparing the bowling attack at domestic level, what's next, street level comparisons??

How many fast bowlers are produced in Sheikhupura district in Pakistan as compared to Amroha district in Uttar Pradesh?

Domestic level by definition is itself a lower level where the players are not finished products but actually learn and improve their game to become international level so that they can compete against international quality of batsmen. There is no pleasure in having good domestic level of bowlers unless they are not doing well at international level for their country.

Sheikhupura produces more 140+ fast bowlers than all of UP combin— sorry, got carried away

 

[naseem]

Plus he’s always looking to do the bare minimum to somehow creep back into the national side. Of course he will bring his A game in the PSL to get noticed, he still doesn’t get selected for the National side though because the PCB know that he is a waste of time

I think he is past it....should have worked hard on his keeping he would have been a gr8 keeper batsman....but now with Rizwan Rohail and Bismillah....around the corner it's literally curtains for his Intl career

 

[cricketjoshila]

He is a domestic giant.....bro.....so it's natural...... But don't see him staying there for long......Zeeshan Haider Abdullah....all coming up.....plus Babar Sharjeel..... So his record won't stay.....although he might play for few more years....

Point is Kami is the top run getter in PSL.

 

[cricketjoshila]

On PP Psl is the best league, outside of it even for the likes of Wisden, IPL is the top league. No amount of jumping here will change that fact.

 

[Rajdeep]

National t20 match 11:

Mohammed Ashgar: 3-0-38-0
Sohail Khan : 4-0-37-0
Mir Hamza : 4-0-41-0
Anwar Ali : 4-0-40-2
Junaid Khan : 4-0-44-0

Are these bowlers not part of that 'talented local bowlers' group that Watson praised?
[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] [MENTION=139165]naseem[/MENTION]

 

[cricketjoshila]

National t20 match 11:

Mohammed Ashgar: 3-0-38-0
Sohail Khan : 4-0-37-0
Mir Hamza : 4-0-41-0
Anwar Ali : 4-0-40-2
Junaid Khan : 4-0-44-0

Are these bowlers not part of that 'talented local bowlers' group that Watson praised?

[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] [MENTION=139165]naseem[/MENTION]

When people think their local domestic bowlers are better than international players like Cummins, all you must do is laugh at them.

 

[Rana]

When people think their local domestic bowlers are better than international players like Cummins, all you must do is laugh at them.

So who said Pakistani local bowlers are better than Cummins? Are you going to make up things now to justify his $2m fraud price tag?

 

[Rana]

Pat Cummins in IPL 2020 so far: 14 overs, 130 runs and 2 wickets @65.00

At the moment, I’ll take Anwar Ali to do the same

 

[OldWarHorse]

Pat Cummins in IPL 2020 so far: 14 overs, 130 runs and 2 wickets @65.00

At the moment, I’ll take Anwar Ali to do the same

Comparing Jordan's performance this year in PSL and IPL, no doubt a bowler like Anwar Ali would suffice in PSL. There is a genuine gulf in batting quality between the leagues.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Zabardast. Bowling at nearly 10 an over with only 2 wickets

What a place to make big money

Well thats the quality of batting and the small size of the ground.

 

[Rana]

Well thats the quality of batting and the small size of the ground.

I compared him to another International bowler who went for 1 tenth of his fee. If you are an overseas pro, you stand and bowl like one. Not bowl worse than the local talent

 

[cricketjoshila]

I compared him to another International bowler who went for 1 tenth of his fee. If you are an overseas pro, you stand and bowl like one. Not bowl worse than the local talent

Well different innings. If you see everyone in the second innings is bowling with econ of 6-7 in the second innings. Axar patel is bowling with econ of 4.5.

 

[therealAB]

Pat Cummins in IPL 2020 so far: 14 overs, 130 runs and 2 wickets @65.00

At the moment, I’ll take Anwar Ali to do the same

That is likely caused by the batting though. We know that Cummins is a very good bowler and his lack of performance is actually a tribute to the quality of batting

 

[Rana]

That is likely caused by the batting though. We know that Cummins is a very good bowler and his lack of performance is actually a tribute to the quality of batting

But then the same should resonate in the performances of Rabada and Nortje, who have been excellent. Even Bumrah has clawed back with some good performances now. I may make a lot of fun of Deepak Chahar, but I think he has been a much better bowler than Cummins in this tournament also.

 

[Rana]

The market for elite sportsman is a tough environment where some take it all whilst others get nothing. Therefore, I am surprised at the people making excuses for Cummins, he is getting paid approximately $8k a delivery. If he can’t even deliver with regular performances, then we as fans have every right to criticise him.

 

[BreadPakoda]

The market for elite sportsman is a tough environment where some take it all whilst others get nothing. Therefore, I am surprised at the people making excuses for Cummins, he is getting paid approximately $8k a delivery. If he can’t even deliver with regular performances, then we as fans have every right to criticise him.

Maybe because he is also a good lower order hitter. Not sure though as franchises have made some very poor investments over the years. And there has been a preference for Ozzie cricketers. I remember Gayle going unsold multiple times when he was at his peak yet a lot of unknown entities from Australian domestics used to get picked.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

The market for elite sportsman is a tough environment where some take it all whilst others get nothing. Therefore, I am surprised at the people making excuses for Cummins, he is getting paid approximately $8k a delivery. If he can’t even deliver with regular performances, then we as fans have every right to criticise him.

I never rated Cummins in T20. He is hit the deck kind of bowler. He bowls bit short of length at good bounce. That's why he is getting hammered on Sharjah wickets. Mostly, bowlers who bowl full length with clever pace variations are able to survive in T20 these days. Deepak Chahar despite being a trundler, gets bit of swing with new ball and he bowls tight wicket to wicket with no pace in death overs. I think that explains it.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

Maybe because he is also a good lower order hitter. Not sure though as franchises have made some very poor investments over the years. And there has been a preference for Ozzie cricketers. I remember Gayle going unsold multiple times when he was at his peak yet a lot of unknown entities from Australian domestics used to get picked.

Akash Chopra mentioned once that most of coaches/ support staff in IPL is Ozzie. That explains why i guess. Maxwell has been a hot commodity for 7-8 years in IPL. He has never set IPL on fire as far as i remember. Even Indian players get discarded faster than them.

 

[naseem]

I think this thread don't need further validation after yesterday's match....
Some stats which shows the vast difference in quality of local pace bowlers and international pacers...

Saini 3 48 0 @16
Harshal 4 43 0 @10.7
Rabada 4 24 4 @6
Nortje 4 22 2 @5.5

IPL need foreign pacers 2 maintain semblance...of an attack....

Another one sided affair where the match is gone after Kohli is out.......

Even if some posters bring test records and age and stable test attack to defend their bowlers.......some say they have stable attack with 6 bowlers don't need to force Mavi Nagarkoti....

Said it earlier said it now if a player ia good enough at 19 he is good enough for selection. Pak are lucky to get a rich crop of bowlers at a very young age.....who will only get stronger and with experience improve their game and skillset.....

A 28 year old don't know about sportsmanship .....what an arrogance...

 

[naseem]

Comparing Jordan's performance this year in PSL and IPL, no doubt a bowler like Anwar Ali would suffice in PSL. There is a genuine gulf in batting quality between the leagues.

Yes and also in bowling quality....esp local bowlers who go on @16 rpo....at the start it was @9 rpo.....seems Inflation is going on

 

[naseem]

When people think their local domestic bowlers are better than international players like Cummins, all you must do is laugh at them.

Shadab is 9 Imad is 8.....Saheen is definitely a top 10 bowler and Rauf os not far.......Cummins who is probably 19 in ranking is probably not even a top 25 t20 bowlers......to be honest......u have to really laugh at some poster's cricket awareness and IQ

 

[naseem]

National t20 match 11:

Mohammed Ashgar: 3-0-38-0
Sohail Khan : 4-0-37-0
Mir Hamza : 4-0-41-0
Anwar Ali : 4-0-40-2
Junaid Khan : 4-0-44-0

Are these bowlers not part of that 'talented local bowlers' group that Watson praised?

[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] [MENTION=139165]naseem[/MENTION]

What about IPL match 19 stats...
Saini. ???
Patel....????

And I complete ur half completed stats..

Sindh 183/7
Sharjeel 90
Ahsan ali 42...

Saheen 4 21 5 includes 3 bowleds
Riaz 4 31 1
Junaid 4 44 0

KPK 184 /2
Fakhar 61
Hafeez 72 who is top scorer in the eng series
Iftikhar 40 who has 2 40 plus v t20s v Aus in Aus

Hasan khan 4 27 0
Anwar ali 4 40 2
Sohail khan 4 37 0...

Tbh Sharjeel Hafeez would have eaten ur Khaleels Patel's...Sainis...
Sohail khan Anwar ali hamza all are not in the picture for PAK LOI teams...
Those who are in picture r doing well..
Saheen Wahab.....RAuf ...Shadab....Imad (in Vitality Blast).....Amir has just come back from injury..

What about ur LOI regulars...
Saini..??
Dube..??
Khaleel..???

Throw some Ujjala...

 

[tyron_woodley]

Ii believe pace is similar. But Pakistani local bowlers are more skilful.

 

[naseem]

Ii believe pace is similar. But Pakistani local bowlers are more skilful.

RAuf Wahab Hasnain can touch 152 155 ks....
Saheen Musa more of 146 148ks...
Amir has slowed down but can touch early..140s..
Amad Butt adil is more in 135ks.137ks....
They use slower as change up...
RAuf can be deadly like Saheen ....he did swung the new ball....and very good at death...
He can ball wide Yorker slower .....fast bouncers ....he has variety......
Wahab can do a good job too in t20s for few years

 

[BreadPakoda]

RAuf Wahab Hasnain can touch 152 155 ks....
Saheen Musa more of 146 148ks...
Amir has slowed down but can touch early..140s..
Amad Butt adil is more in 135ks.137ks....
They use slower as change up...
RAuf can be deadly like Saheen ....he did swung the new ball....and very good at death...
He can ball wide Yorker slower .....fast bouncers ....he has variety......
Wahab can do a good job too in t20s for few years

Amir is a trundler. There goes your list.

 

[Indiafan]

Kartik Tyagi another young player and u19 success. What a smooth run up and action. Bowling 140+ effortlessly and got de kock put

 

[Indiafan]

Amir is a trundler. There goes your list.

Bhuvneswar Kumar eaisly bowles faster than Amir

 

[Rana]

Kartik Tyagi another young player and u19 success. What a smooth run up and action. Bowling 140+ effortlessly and got de kock put

He’s bowled 2 deliveries so far above 140

He has been averaging 137kmh

 

[Indiafan]

He’s bowled 2 deliveries so far above 140

He has been averaging 137kmh

He hasn't been going full steam yet, he can bowl faster and his height gives an advantage

 

[naseem]

He hasn't been going full steam yet, he can bowl faster and his height gives an advantage

He and Porel r the only 2 young bowlers I rate

 

[naseem]

Amir is a trundler. There goes your list.

That trundler has taken ur top 3 in champions trophy final and he is just coming back from injury....and long layoff..
Calling him a trundler then I will call Undakat a spinner and Bhuvi a KNUKLE duplicate bowler....

Don't embarrass urself every time

 

[Abhilash93]

That trundler has taken ur top 3 in champions trophy final and he is just coming back from injury....and long layoff..
Calling him a trundler ���� then I will call Undakat a spinner and Bhuvi a KNUKLE duplicate bowler....������

Don't embarrass urself every time

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