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Which loss hurt more: vs. Ireland in World Cup 2007 or vs. Afghanistan in World Cup 2023?

Which loss hurt more?

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I think the better question is what is the greater low.

Ireland meant we were out. Officially out.

Afghanistan and nature of it is a humiliation which represents a level of disappointment and failure that 2007 simply cannot top. We knew that team was truly awful, but the format meant there were possibilities of sudden shocks and eliminations.

This right here? This is a far greater embarassment but this is more anger and fury at the absolute clowns at the helm, this pathetic captain and this absolute failure of a bowling unit that was assembled over 5 years. But to some extent you could see it building for a long time.

In terms of hurt though? Ireland was an absolute sickener by comparison.
 
TNAmarkFromIndia said:
I want to know from the Pakistan fans who watched both matches live, which loss hurt more and why?
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Ireland cause that knocked Pakistan out and wasn’t expected . Babar for his stupid tactics deserved this and it’s just surprising they couldn’t defend 283 if it was Pakistan chasing 260 and losing would have made sense
 
This isn’t hurting, as most people who have followed this team know they are not mentally right throughout this tournament.

Babar’s captaincy was deplorable throughout and he failed to inspire anyone.
 
Lol cannot be compared. This AFG loss was totally expected.

AFG should technically have beaten us several times already in past matches. We are a toothless, talent-less team with the likes of Imam, Shadab, Nawaz, Rizwan, etc.

Naseem somehow miraculously bailed us out always.
 
Vs Ireland for sure, I remember sitting there really upset. Today I’m disappointed, but the nature of the games we’ve had with Afghanistan and the way our boys have played this World Cup there was atleast a 25% chance afghans would win this game. But with the Ireland game nobody expected them to beat Pakistan.
 
In Chennai, Pakistan had a 60% chance at most. You could say it was a 50/50 game given the gulf in the spin department.

No one gave Ireland a chance in the 2007 WC game and as mentioned by Markhor, Bob Woolmer’s death also made it even worse.

The loss against Ireland hurts more for me.

The defeat to Afghanistan will hurt more for those who see them as bitter rivals.
 
Why would it hurt to lose today? For years we could see the cracks appearing in the team, instead of fixing those cracks they were covered with paper. A win today would’ve damaged Pakistan cricket for another 4 years.
 
Ireland definately.

AFG have troubled Pakistan many times of recent and it was only a matter of time before they defeated us, so not surprised at all.
 
Afghanistan. Because pakistanis dont consider Afghanis as humans and are very racist against them. This one will hurt Pakistan for quite a long time. 8 wickets win
 
Winning game after getting beaten consistently is supposed to some sort of revenge then it's laughable.
 
topspin said:
In Chennai, Pakistan had a 60% chance at most. You could say it was a 50/50 game given the gulf in the spin department.

No one gave Ireland a chance in the 2007 WC game and as mentioned by Markhor, Bob Woolmer’s death also made it even worse.

The loss against Ireland hurts more for me.

The defeat to Afghanistan will hurt more for those who see them as bitter rivals.
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I don’t feel at all for this team loosing. Bunch of cake eating clowns. 🤡
 
Ireland was devastating, nothing is comparable, perhaps more so because of what followed. But this one is probably the most humiliating of all our WC losses. Eng 92 rain saved us, Bang 99 was bad but a blip, the 99 final was bad but the opposition was a rising ATG team. What makes today’s loss more humiliating than all those others is the ease with which Afghanistan won this game. Yes, Afghanistan have been improving. Yes it was a matter of time before they defeated us but i doubt anyone suspected it’d be as easy as this. Time will tell if this becomes the inflection point in this rivalry.
 
Ireland defeat hurt more, this one was on the cards, surprisingly I am not even sad one bit as I knew this was coming and this team would be clueless against them.
 
We weren't expected to lose to Ireland in 2007.

That game was supposed to be sure thing and losing like we did was inexplicable.

Today doesn't feel as bad as we have been absolutely atrocious in the last two games.. and prior to that, in the Asia Cup.

Our selections have been all over the place and our blowing has been collectively awful. Not one bowler has stood up to be counted. Spin bowling non existent...
 
Ireland definitely.

The Afghanistan defeat isn't even an upset. Many people were already predicting a loss against Afghanistan given how close Pakistan had already come to losing to them and also given the fact that the match was in Chennai. The defeat to Afghanistan was not a matter of if, but when. It's just sad that it happened in a World Cup.
 
They both hurt but I think Ireland was more of a surprise so maybe that’s why it hurt more
 
Afghanistan had come very close to beating Pakistan a few times in the recent past. Their players are established names in leagues. They are playing their 3rd 50 over WC and have featured in every T20 WC since 2010. PCB were also scared of playing Afg in Chennai and were complaining about it.

While Ireland were playing their 1st World Cup in 2007 and it was their first match against an elite side. Their players were unknown to most fans before that match happened.

Then Bob Woolmer's death made it worse.
 
ireland was significantly worse, afg are a decent team with world class pros. this was on the cards, the loss to Ireland wasn't in anyones wildest dreams.
 
Majority people are not even shocked by this , it’s pathetic yes but not shocking.. Ireland was a scandal.
 
Loss to Afghanistan is much bigger than Ireland one. We were down and under and really needed to win here but we played the worst of our games and lost badly. No intent was shown,,no fight...Poor game Pakistan played.
 
Ireland won hurt for sure.

This won't didn't hurt at all. This one was a reality check waiting to happen lol.
 
this one hurt more because we as a nation as a country going no where and reaching new lows every single day
 
Major said:
Afghanistan. Because pakistanis dont consider Afghanis as humans and are very racist against them. This one will hurt Pakistan for quite a long time. 8 wickets win
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No offense, but seeing your undying love for Afghanistan team, I cant help but thinking that this is more than just cricket.

I get the feeling you are Pashtun yourself, maybe thats why you have a rabid love for a nation as thankless as Afghans.
 
The Ireland loss was accompanied by the Woolmer tragedy, a knockout, the end of Inzamam's ODI career (last surviving link from '92) etc. If I was Pakistani, I would rank that as the greater defeat.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
No offense, but seeing your undying love for Afghanistan team, I cant help but thinking that this is more than just cricket.

I get the feeling you are Pashtun yourself, maybe thats why you have a rabid love for a nation as thankless as Afghans.
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I'm a punjabi. i was once called anti pathan for critisizing junaid khan


The reason why i love Afghanistan cricket is something i have mentioned many times here. I have followed this teams growth from 2008. I have followed these guys winning WCL 5, 4, 3 and 1. After that they won Intercontinental cup and than entered the ICC top tournaments.

Having followed there team alot, i really love watching them and always hope they do well. Afghanistan did not have a ground for there players to practice, so these guys used to practise diving by getting old mattress and making diving effort on it

Because i have followed their story from a very early time, I feel proud when they do well and hope to see them become a Top 3 team in future. I can share you many stories of there players like Raees Ahmadzai, Hasti Gul, Khaliqdad noori etc.
Fun fact, Nowroz Mangal used to play for the Taliban team...

I am not Afghan or pathan. I have no relations with them. But i appreciate there hardwork.

Another thing i would add is that when i was growing up and started reading novels, i had abit difficulty ready novels as I couldn't understand them. So I once came across this book called the Breadwinner. The whole scenary of that book was based on Afghanistan, so i was able to easily imagine the scenary as its similar to Pakistan. Those books based on Afghanistan helped improve my reading skills and help me be ore academic aswell. Later i would read Kite runner and many other books based on Afghanistan.
I always hated the fact that we Pakistanis feel very proud of being better than Afghans, but we Pakistanis never wrote adventure books that depicted Pakistan. Infact, in Pakistan reading or writing a book is frowned upon..

So yes, this book reading aswell may have always made me to love Afghanistan cricket somewhat, but it was primarily when i found out about this country having a team in 2008 and started following it.
 
Ireland loss was more hurtful.

I personally started watching cricket in 2004 so it was the first World Cup I property watched.

Our ODI team leading upto the World Cup was really good as well- had played some really good cricket in the years leading upto the World Cup.

However, it was a team full of match fixers and traitors who purposely lost to the West Indies. As they thought they would go through anyways but then Ireland ruined their party.

The MOST LOGICAL EXPLANATION FOR BOB WOOLMERS DEATH that I read was that the team had a group of bookies who made money from the West Indies game that we purposely lost and many other games in the past.
IT WAS AN EXCLUSIVITY AGREEMENT.

but once we lost to Ireland, the group thought we had worked with another group of bookies and made them money instead. And so killed Woolmer as they thought the Pakistan team had double crossed them.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Loss to Afghanistan is much bigger than Ireland one. We were down and under and really needed to win here but we played the worst of our games and lost badly. No intent was shown,,no fight...Poor game Pakistan played.
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To be fair, they put a decent score on the board. Just couldn't defend it.
 
TNAmarkFromIndia said:
To be fair, they put a decent score on the board. Just couldn't defend it.
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In my opinion, The only reason Pakistan lost the lost was the contribution of the spinners. Our spinners were totally clueless on that spin-friendly track. Also, we can say that Rauf bowled very poor stuff there.
 
This loss. The Ireland loss seemed like a blip, India also lost the same day to Bangladesh which gave a bit of comfort.
 
2007 as it was definitely an upset. This Afghan team has been playing really good cricket and have come close many a times. Most of the matches Pak won were very close matches.

The fact of the matter is that we are mediocre and alarming factor is that we settled for this mediocrity where people like Nawaz, Shadab, Imam, Haris Rauf are treated as world beaters. These guys will never play for other top teams.

What we are seeing today is a result of over reliance on PSL performances rather than domestic.

The 2007 team was way better than the current lot. We might not have achieved good results given how competitive other teams were at the time but that loss was a huge upset and changed the course of the whole worldcup.
 
Major said:
I'm a punjabi. i was once called anti pathan for critisizing junaid khan


The reason why i love Afghanistan cricket is something i have mentioned many times here. I have followed this teams growth from 2008. I have followed these guys winning WCL 5, 4, 3 and 1. After that they won Intercontinental cup and than entered the ICC top tournaments.

Having followed there team alot, i really love watching them and always hope they do well. Afghanistan did not have a ground for there players to practice, so these guys used to practise diving by getting old mattress and making diving effort on it

Because i have followed their story from a very early time, I feel proud when they do well and hope to see them become a Top 3 team in future. I can share you many stories of there players like Raees Ahmadzai, Hasti Gul, Khaliqdad noori etc.
Fun fact, Nowroz Mangal used to play for the Taliban team...

I am not Afghan or pathan. I have no relations with them. But i appreciate there hardwork.

Another thing i would add is that when i was growing up and started reading novels, i had abit difficulty ready novels as I couldn't understand them. So I once came across this book called the Breadwinner. The whole scenary of that book was based on Afghanistan, so i was able to easily imagine the scenary as its similar to Pakistan. Those books based on Afghanistan helped improve my reading skills and help me be ore academic aswell. Later i would read Kite runner and many other books based on Afghanistan.
I always hated the fact that we Pakistanis feel very proud of being better than Afghans, but we Pakistanis never wrote adventure books that depicted Pakistan. Infact, in Pakistan reading or writing a book is frowned upon..

So yes, this book reading aswell may have always made me to love Afghanistan cricket somewhat, but it was primarily when i found out about this country having a team in 2008 and started following it.
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Afghanistan is either mythologised in Pakistan - i.e warriors, brave, God fearing heroes or completely demonised - namak haraam etc.

By the way, Mohsin Hamid has some books that are similar to Khalid Hosseini's Kite Runner. They don't pull on the heart strings as much but are excellent to read.
 
2007 one was a real mood spoiler. One obviously due to Bob Woolmer's demise, other because my now deceased father was in the ICU battling for his life with sepsis. He barely escaped with his life, which was nothing short of a miracle.
 
This is as bad as the 2007 loss against Ireland. This babar Azam captaincy experiment needs to end now.

Wahab and Mohsin Naqvi also needs to go but jab tak markhor chief nahi jata ye dono mare rahenge yehin.
 
aukhan said:
This is as bad as the 2007 loss against Ireland. This babar Azam captaincy experiment needs to end now.

Wahab and Mohsin Naqvi also needs to go but jab tak markhor chief nahi jata ye dono mare rahenge yehin.
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We have been dumped out of the World Cup in the first game itself, losing to one of the worst associate teams in world cricket.

These bunch of jokers have made a mockery of our legacy today.

All of this filth should be thrown away.
 
Close with 2007 loss. Because this is T20 Cricket the gap between quality gets lower. But yea it's right up there with Ireland.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
The Ireland loss hurt a lot more. Pakistan was a feared team back then, this current lot are a joke outfit with a batsman wicketkeeper who looks like a beached whale.
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The pitch was green , a bowler becomes 2x as good . Here id hit 50 easy :boycott
 
This loss reminds me of Argentina loss against Saudi Arabia in the FIFA World Cup.

But can Pakistan bounce back? Can our Messi (Babar) claim his throne and become the undisputed King? 👑
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
The Ireland loss hurt a lot more. Pakistan was a feared team back then, this current lot are a joke outfit with a batsman wicketkeeper who looks like a beached whale.
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This one doesn't hurt.
It's just removed the veil a bit but deep down we
all know our cricket is dying. It's just confirmed it.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
This one doesn't hurt.
It's just removed the veil a bit but deep down we
all know our cricket is dying. It's just confirmed it.
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Yep, and the cricket reflects the politics of the country as well. Rudderless and no pride in themselves or what they used to stand for.
 
2007 loss was more painful. Why?

It was our first unexpected and embarrassing loss that we had experienced as fans. It was the World Cup.

The aftermath was painful too because Bob Woolmer passed away if memory serves me right.
 
The Ireland loss is not comparable. It was bad. Pakistan had a good team and it was an ODI.

This doesn’t even seem like an upset. When you are carrying the unfittest person (both physically and in terms of his game) ever to have played the game, a fake pie-chucking allrounder batting at number 5 who should not even be batting at 7, an amateur picked on the basis of three or four league innings, at least 6 club level fielders, all led by the most clueless captain ever, then you can’t really call it an upset. The US team looked like a well oiled machine in comparison despite giving countless chances to Pakistan which any other team would have gladly accepted and easily won the game.
 
amvbfm said:
The Ireland loss is not comparable. It was bad. Pakistan had a good team and it was an ODI.

This doesn’t even seem like an upset. When you are carrying the unfittest person (both physically and in terms of his game) ever to have played the game, a fake pie-chucking allrounder batting at number 5 who should not even be batting at 7, an amateur picked on the basis of three or four league innings, at least 6 club level fielders, all led by the most clueless captain ever, then you can’t really call it an upset. The US team looked like a well oiled machine in comparison despite giving countless chances to Pakistan which any other team would have gladly accepted and easily won the game.
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This was the team that played in 2007! Player to player, that team trumps the pitiful playing 11 that we cobbled together today...I will take that team over this anyday!!
 

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Ireland loss was an absolute upset - a genuine title contender lost to underdog on a bad day…. The same day India also had a similar fate. Besides, Irish got a tailor made wicket to suit them & was a bit lucky as well - still PAK almost recovered to turn the result.

This loss today wasn’t that shocking for me because it’s T20 - skill gap reduces significantly & experience hardly matters, because the game is too short. Besides, USA playing at home is a decent T20 side with a fantastic coach to guide & from BD series, I knew a bit about their capabilities. An upset indeed but not earth shattering crash.

Besides, PAK being a slow starter, met their nemesis on the first game in both these losses.

That AFG loss to me is something I still can’t explain- PAK was well into 2nd/3rd week of the tournament, got a suitable wicket, won the toss as well ….. then allowed AFGs to walk past 275+ on a typical Chennai slow-bowl with 7/8 wickets at hand!!! Into my 4 decades of watching PAK cricket, I had never seen a more clueless, hapless, disgruntled & insecured PAK team, that too defending a decent total against a side not famous for their chasing ability.
 
Losing to Afghanistan has to be worst one.

It was ODI and Afghanistan chased 270-280 score so comfortably.

T20, upsets can happen more easily.
 
Ireland's first match against Pakistan in world cup
Bangladesh's first match against Pakistan in world cup
USA's first match against Pakistan in world cup/ever

All ended in pakistan's loss.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Ireland's first match against Pakistan in world cup
Bangladesh's first match against Pakistan in world cup
USA's first match against Pakistan in world cup/ever

All ended in pakistan's loss.
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So it means that ICC should not let any new team or a minnow team to play debut game against Pakistan in the World cups.

TBH, all of those defeats were hurting but Afghanistan one was the worst. It was a one-sided contest.
 
BouncerGuy said:
So it means that ICC should not let any new team or a minnow team to play debut game against Pakistan in the World cups.

TBH, all of those defeats were hurting but Afghanistan one was the worst. It was a one-sided contest.
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But Afghanistan was no pushover. They beat England. They were about to give a sound thrashing to Australia as well having them reel at 91/7. In Indian conditions, Afghanistan players are very good due to IPL experience. Also, Afghanistan plays Tests in India.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
But Afghanistan was no pushover. They beat England. They were about to give a sound thrashing to Australia as well having them reel at 91/7. In Indian conditions, Afghanistan players are very good due to IPL experience. Also, Afghanistan plays Tests in India.
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Not talking in terms of experience. I was talking about dominating wins and Afghanistan dominated the whole game and Pakistan team was like bunch of scared cats that day and shown no fight.
 
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