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Which side will win the match between England and New Zealand at Chester-le-Street?

Which side will win the match between England and New Zealand at Chester-le-Street?


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Same Australia who you said were ovverated?

Don't put words in my mouth. I said aus top 4 batsmen are overrated not the entire team .i think you miss the part where i side facing aus in semis is very dangerous because they are very good in knockout games
 
All teams in this world cup have weaknesses. For Australia if you get top 3 early their middle order will collapse however no one in this world cup has been able to do that but I won’t be surprised if it happens in the coming matches. All it takes is a good bowling spell at the start of the innings and it can put them in a tough position. They aren’t the invincible team of the 90s however they are a very good team in today’s day and age.

New Zealand dismantled Australia's top order but still "Carey" who is their lower order wk/batsman played superbly to get them a respectable score to defend on that pitch. At the end, they won the match easily.
 
I was wrong about the West Indies and I have been critical of them for their performance. They still beat Pakistan so what does that say about Pakistan and it wasnt even close.

I support the team. Always will. But I will be honest in my opinion rather than be positive for the sake of it. I have never said the words I will stop supporting Pakistan. When they play poorly I will say it. If you lose lots of games in a row of course you will call your team out.

Pakistan haven't won the WC even if they get to the semis. If they get through they will more than likely have India or Australia. So predicting winning the WC still looks stupid.

Nice that you follow my posts though.

What is link between pakistan and westindies match when clearly you said westindies are darkhorses and it has nothing to do with Pakistan team .Talk about being naive

So your opinion changes with every performance.Nice carry on this is perfect example of fickle fans .Criticising team performance is whole different thing some thing sadly you don't understand .

I was just trying to understand the logic of supporting "pathetic team" .it seems you don't have any convenient answer.

Well its seem you are doing same following my posts.

What ever does that mean and feels you good
 
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At worst NZ will play to protect there rr after Desh’s hammering today.
 
Increasingly looking like win toss, win match. That is the pattern.
 
At worst NZ will play to protect there rr after Desh’s hammering today.

There's nothing to protect. They are not losing by 230 runs while Pakistan are going to beat Bangladesh by the same margin. You're talking about it like the NRR is a close thing. It's not.

NZ will be playing to win.
 
Don't put words in my mouth. I said aus top 4 batsmen are overrated not the entire team .i think you miss the part where i side facing aus in semis is very dangerous because they are very good in knockout games

Agreed they are very dangerous. I hope Pakistan avoids them. I would rather play India over Australia in a knockout game.
 
What is link between pakistan and westindies match when clearly you said westindies are darkhorses and it has nothing to do with Pakistan team .Talk about being naive

So your opinion changes with every performance.Nice carry on this is perfect example of fickle fans .Criticising team performance is whole different thing some thing sadly you don't understand .

I was just trying to understand the logic of supporting "pathetic team" .it seems you don't have any convenient answer.

Well its seem you are doing same following my posts.

What ever does that mean and feels you good


I thought West Indies were a dark horse. I was wrong..I hold my hands up.

If a team loses 13 games in a row before a WC why shall I predice they will win the WC? Pakistan haven't won the WC so I wasnt wrong so far.

Listen I just give my honest opinion. If really upsets you just put me on your ignore list.
 
NZ might still make the semis despite losing three big games in a row..
 
NZ's best chance is to bat first and bat well. England have lost all games while chasing in this WC although they did score 334 while chasing 348 against Pakistan
 
I think it's a yet another simple equation really. If the pitch has anything in it for any kind of bowling, New Zealand are in with a serious chance to do Pakistan a favour. However, just forget it about and don't even bother looking back if it's a flat track. On such a pitch, the only New Zealand player who would stand between England and a win will be Martin Guptill. Yes, I'm very well aware as to which out of form batsman I'm putting my money on, but he's the only New Zealand player who can play the type of game that England batsmen do.

As for the poll, well I can't sit on the fence. So I've gone with the team whom I want to win tomorrow. The whole of Pakistan stands with New Zealand on this. Do it guys! :yk
 
New Zealand and England can pull a "West Germany vs Austria from 1982" and play the match in a manner that allows England to scrape a narrow win thereby ensuring that both NZ and England qualify.
 
England will need to have a brain far* to lose that game

Looks like it.
It will be a fresh pitch with lots of runs on offer.

Pathetic how ENG in both must win games get 2 flat tracks in a row while all other teams play on used pitches.

Always felt and had the believe PAK would win the WC and if its meant to be NZ will win tomorrow.

Come on KIWIS! :sk
 
Is it confirmed that the pitch is new?...

Even if it is then England are still beatable providing they bat first...

Some of their players who are good players haven't fired yet... Here's hoping tomorrow is that time . Guptill and Taylor are due big scores...

Can see Matt Henry getting trounced again though...

Out of interest is there actually a criteria or a process to decide when to use a new pitch?... Have the ICC been arbitrary in how they have allocated pitches to games?...
 
New Zealand and England can pull a "West Germany vs Austria from 1982" and play the match in a manner that allows England to scrape a narrow win thereby ensuring that both NZ and England qualify.

These are such silly comments...there is 3rd to play for.. And after their defeat to Australia... NZ won't wanna finish bottom...

NZ are facing no risks of not qualifying so have no reason to not compete...
 
Can't wait until they unleash an absolute road for England to play on tomorrow. Why don't we just let them bat with tennis rackets as well!!!
 
Is it confirmed that the pitch is new?...

Even if it is then England are still beatable providing they bat first...

Some of their players who are good players haven't fired yet... Here's hoping tomorrow is that time . Guptill and Taylor are due big scores...

Can see Matt Henry getting trounced again though...

Out of interest is there actually a criteria or a process to decide when to use a new pitch?... Have the ICC been arbitrary in how they have allocated pitches to games?...

Yes, fresh pitch. Loads of runs.
Just banking on NZ players to fire vs ENG like in 2015.

Its not over yet.
 
England, the only elite team in the world which needs home advantage in ODIs.

Both India and Australia needed home advantage to win in 2011 and 2015 respectively.

India used a part-timer like Yuvraj as a special spinner in 2011, who would have been cannon-fodder without home advantage.

In addition, India got a turning pitch in the 2011 quarter-final against Australia where even David Hussey was bowling like Lyon. The ICC clearly screwed Australia over to have a blockbuster India vs Pakistan semi-final.

2015 was even worse. It was easily the most home-friendly World Cup, and it was clear from day 1 that the two host nations were very likely to play the final.

Australia and New Zealand got perfect conditions at home and the only time they played in each other’s home, they got exposed.

Australia suffered a terrible collapse in Auckland and lost 8 wickets for 20 odd runs, while New Zealand played like a minnow at the MCG in the final.

Whatever the reason(s), England haven’t had home advantage to the same extent that India and Australia did. The Sri Lanka pitch in particular was a farce.
 
. On such a pitch, the only New Zealand player who would stand between England and a win will be Martin Guptill. Yes, I'm very well aware as to which out of form batsman I'm putting my money on, but he's the only New Zealand player who can play the type of game that England batsmen do.

Neesham and Grandhomme can both hit miles, and on his day Ross Taylor can be unstoppable. There's a reason, NZL have been among the top ODI sides recently. It's just that they haven't batted well in this World Cup, outside of Williamson.

They still are fully capable of scoring 330+ when batting first and, if it happens, England will fold under pressure.

Go Kiwis!!
 
Lol people overeating England after one win LMAO!

NZ will win. They will set 330 Target and England will choke trying to chase it!
 
Okay let me put this another way.

Why is NZ conspiring with England/India to make Pakistan not qualify?

Are you kidding me!!!!!??
Conspiring?
The whole world against our cricket team? Yo bro we ain't that important. We had a fair chance to win each and every last of our 8 games so far. What are you talking about? Ma man you need to chill!
 
Hopes are fading for Pakistan
Just wish kiwis do something special and beat England
If kiwis win they will face India in semis or else they will have to face Aussies
 
Both India and Australia needed home advantage to win in 2011 and 2015 respectively.

India used a part-timer like Yuvraj as a special spinner in 2011, who would have been cannon-fodder without home advantage.

In addition, India got a turning pitch in the 2011 quarter-final against Australia where even David Hussey was bowling like Lyon. The ICC clearly screwed Australia over to have a blockbuster India vs Pakistan semi-final.

2015 was even worse. It was easily the most home-friendly World Cup, and it was clear from day 1 that the two host nations were very likely to play the final.

Australia and New Zealand got perfect conditions at home and the only time they played in each other’s home, they got exposed.

Australia suffered a terrible collapse in Auckland and lost 8 wickets for 20 odd runs, while New Zealand played like a minnow at the MCG in the final.

Whatever the reason(s), England haven’t had home advantage to the same extent that India and Australia did. The Sri Lanka pitch in particular was a farce.

Australia has won 4 world cups in last 20 years. They do not need pitches to win world cups. Even, in the current world cup, they are sitting at the top of the points table. Australia-New Zealand group match was not a one sided contest like Australia-England in 2019. Despite Australia scoring 151 only, it took New Zealand 9 wickets to chase down that total.

India was hands-down the best ODI team in 2011. A team with Sehwag, Tendulkar, Gambhir, Kohli, Yuvraj, Dhoni, Raina, and Zaheer was better than the Australian team with over-the-hill Ponting, Watson, Clarke, Hussey brothers, Lee etc. The same Australian team even lost to Pakistan. India on the other hand lost just one very close match against a very strong South Africa in 2011. India did not need doctored pitches to play semi-finals.

England has already lost a close match to Pakistan and were thoroughly embarrassed by Sri Lanka of all teams in 2019. They were outclassed by #4 ranked Australia. Despite ranked #1, they still have to win their final game to go to semis. Had England dominated the tournament in 2019 and then lost a match due to unfavorable conditions, the excuse would make sense. So far, England has been incredibly lucky that they have played most of their games on batting belters and none of their games have been affected by rain.
 
In the match itself, it would feel like Kane Williamson, Martin Guptill, Ross Taylor, Trent Boult, Lockie Ferguson, e.t.c are all Pakistanis and we would jump in joy with each small success they get during the game. We need to back them, they are all quality players and this would be the ideal time for them to show their worth.

I hope NZ try Blundell instead of that badly out of from Latham. Also, I think Tim Southee demolished England last time these 2 teams met in a WC game with a breathtaking spell in which he took a 7fer, but they would have to drop Ish Sodhi for that.

Playing XI:

1) Martin Guptill
2) Henry Nicholls
3) Kane Williamson(C)
4) Ross Taylor
5) Tom Blundell(Wk)
6) Jimmy Neesham
7) Colin De Grandhomme
8) Mitchell Santner
9) Tim Southee
10) Lockie Ferguson
11) Trent Boult

This 11 above is the only chance of beating england provided they have some pressure put in the start of their batting inning with wkts and them knowing it’s a must win plays on their mind. Any other scenario has eng as a superior team and winning.
 
To be perfectly honest, i think this match will be very very close. It might turn out to be England batsmen vs NZ bowlers. A lot will depend on the toss and who bats first. Having been to all the Pak games this WC (apart from India and SL), I would rate the chances as 60% England to win and 40% NZ to win. Both teams are definitely beatable, as Pak proved.
 
New Zealand will still want to win because they aren't "guaranteed" qualification yet and they would want to keep a good NRR. Also it would not be good for them to lose 3 on the trot going into the semis. There's lots of motivation.

After india v bang game today they are guaranteed qualification. Maybe not technically but they’re not gona miss out on a spot. Depends on whether they’re 3rd or 4th.
 
After india v bang game today they are guaranteed qualification. Maybe not technically but they’re not gona miss out on a spot. Depends on whether they’re 3rd or 4th.

They still won't want to lose three in a row going into the semis. That would hurt massively for a team's confidence.
 
I think it's a yet another simple equation really. If the pitch has anything in it for any kind of bowling, New Zealand are in with a serious chance to do Pakistan a favour. However, just forget it about and don't even bother looking back if it's a flat track. On such a pitch, the only New Zealand player who would stand between England and a win will be Martin Guptill. Yes, I'm very well aware as to which out of form batsman I'm putting my money on, but he's the only New Zealand player who can play the type of game that England batsmen do.

As for the poll, well I can't sit on the fence. So I've gone with the team whom I want to win tomorrow. The whole of Pakistan stands with New Zealand on this. Do it guys! :yk

If we bat first 2maw, and get to 300 , it's game on.
I'm telling you
 
Im just afraid of one thing. That one thing is that hopefully the result is not decided before the game, if you know what i mean.
 
Im just afraid of one thing. That one thing is that hopefully the result is not decided before the game, if you know what i mean.
Guys seriously we need to stop with these conspiracy theories. NZ are a professional team and they will not want to lose three matches in a row.

If England win, they deserve to go through.
 
Guys seriously we need to stop with these conspiracy theories. NZ are a professional team and they will not want to lose three matches in a row.

If England win, they deserve to go through.

Exactly... Honestly, it's getting getting pretty tiring now.
 
Pitch will be a belter. Hope New Zealand win toss and put runs on the board preferably 300 minimum.

New Zealand must start with Santner/ Sodhi vs Roy first up because the three occasions he has been dismissed inside his first 20 balls in home ODIs, one each came against legspin and slow left-arm.

For Morgan they need to bounce him out using Ferguson against him as he was bounced out in each of his last two innings. Morgan was dismissed five times by such deliveries in 2019, at a rate of once every 6.6 balls. Ferguson and Boult have used the bouncer effectively at this World Cup, with five and four wickets respectively so they should target Morgan.

Boult will trouble Morgan as he doesn't have a good record against left-arm pace either, averaging 14.1 since 2017.
 
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Some seriously ridiculous comments on here...

What advantage is there of NZ deliberately losing??...whats sad is that if they do lose tomorrow there will be people still touting that it was on purpose...

People saying its a belter so NZ can't win...we beat England on a belter....

NZ have been under par...and batting first they have plenty of firepower...the likes of Taylor, Guptill, De Grandhomme and Neesham are perfectly capable of putting on a big score with Williamson...

And Boult and Ferguson are plenty capable of giving Englands batsmen problems...

The reason this is a must win game for England is cos like us they are beatable...
 
I had predicted before world cup that England won't reach semis. If England lose and Pakistan win, I can have my " I told you so" moment.
 
I hope its not a flat road.

NZ all the way, c’mon Kiwisss :yk
 
World cup is in England! England team has openly criticized when a flat track was not given to them and in a do or die situation tomorrow, you think there is a chance that it will be a 250 - 270 track??
 
It makes far more sense for New Zealand just to try to bat out the overs. Get form for their batsmen, make sure their NRR is safe. If they go for the win, they risk not having their batsmen getting good time in the middle and NRR drop. They are virtually secured NRR, but given their batting troubles, it makes sense not going for the win unfortunately.

Aus I feel is the only team who would go for it in this position as they're through and their batsmen generally have had good scores in the WC already.

New Zealand getting thrashed by Australia was awful news for us, otherwise think New Zealand would have gone for the win much more.

I hope we see NZ go for the win, but I think like India did, they'll play securely and only at the end try to up the ante when they're sure they'll make 50 overs. It's the smart decision, and I don't blame India for that.
 
Ask your self everyone does pakistan deserve to be in the semi final? lets get our house in order before we let our hearts swade look at our openers it took a huge defeat by india and public outcry before malik and hassan ali were dropped... it was too little too late... there is no gurantee pals in pak will beat bang and we may face humilation like 1999 in semi ....
 
it was said win 6 lose 3 and you will make semi..if we win 5 lose3 and get unlucky where one game was washed out(truly believe pak would have won against lanka) cant do much in that situation...however dominoes are falling quickly one by one..england will win comfortaby tomorrow with 5/6 wickets in hand (just a hunch) hope im wrong
 
Ask your self everyone does pakistan deserve to be in the semi final? lets get our house in order before we let our hearts swade look at our openers it took a huge defeat by india and public outcry before malik and hassan ali were dropped... it was too little too late... there is no gurantee pals in pak will beat bang and we may face humilation like 1999 in semi ....

if we beat bdesh than yeah i truly believe pak deserved to be there..it would have come down to luck which sided with nz(if anything nz dont deserve to be there having not beaten any top team)
 
Both India and Australia needed home advantage to win in 2011 and 2015 respectively.

India used a part-timer like Yuvraj as a special spinner in 2011, who would have been cannon-fodder without home advantage.

In addition, India got a turning pitch in the 2011 quarter-final against Australia where even David Hussey was bowling like Lyon. The ICC clearly screwed Australia over to have a blockbuster India vs Pakistan semi-final.

2015 was even worse. It was easily the most home-friendly World Cup, and it was clear from day 1 that the two host nations were very likely to play the final.

Australia and New Zealand got perfect conditions at home and the only time they played in each other’s home, they got exposed.

Australia suffered a terrible collapse in Auckland and lost 8 wickets for 20 odd runs, while New Zealand played like a minnow at the MCG in the final.

Whatever the reason(s), England haven’t had home advantage to the same extent that India and Australia did. The Sri Lanka pitch in particular was a farce.

I have to agree with you there, England pitches in general are good for everyone. Meanwhile Australia and Newzeland WC 2015 was a farce to say the least. This is why 2019 WC is so much better. Last time we had this kind of WC was probably in 2003 south africa.
 
NZ is a team with limited capability. They always knew that they were going to struggle against top teams like Australia, England, India, South Africa, & Pakistan. They, therefore, made best of their remaining matches with lesser teams. Big victories against Sri Lanka & Afghanistan ensured that NRR remains high. Post that they only needed 2 more victories out of remaining 5 against better terms. Luckily for them Pak lost against WI miserably & horribly skewed it’s NRR. Thereafter, only 1 victory & 1 tie was all that was needed. The victory came against a struggling South Africa & the tie came against a much better India in the form of washout. Had the tie came against a lesser team then they would’ve really struggled. But, overall it was a well planned out campaign for NZ. They did their SWOT analysis properly & then executed the plan to perfectly, aided by a little luck of course.
 
My bet is on England to come up trumps.

With Jason Roy back, their batting wears a settled look with acceleration from the first powerplay itself.
 
Australia has won 4 world cups in last 20 years. They do not need pitches to win world cups. Even, in the current world cup, they are sitting at the top of the points table. Australia-New Zealand group match was not a one sided contest like Australia-England in 2019. Despite Australia scoring 151 only, it took New Zealand 9 wickets to chase down that total.

What does the 1999, 2003 and 2007 teams have to do with the 2015 team? Nothing at all. That was arguably the greatest team of all time and not dependent on conditions at all. The 2015 team was also very good but not invincible.

Yes Australia ran New Zealand close but they only scored 151. In comparison, these were the scores for Australia at home after batting first:

342
417
376
328

You won't get a clearer example of home advantage abuse. It is no coincidence that the only time the stepped outside Australia, their batting collapsed.

India was hands-down the best ODI team in 2011. A team with Sehwag, Tendulkar, Gambhir, Kohli, Yuvraj, Dhoni, Raina, and Zaheer was better than the Australian team with over-the-hill Ponting, Watson, Clarke, Hussey brothers, Lee etc. The same Australian team even lost to Pakistan. India on the other hand lost just one very close match against a very strong South Africa in 2011. India did not need doctored pitches to play semi-finals.

I won't say hands down, because Australia and India were the top two ranked sides between 2009-2011. They had a few washed-up players, but their bowling attack was stronger than India's, whose pace battery was the one and only Zaheer. Sreesanth was mediocre in ODIs and the likes of Munaf and a past his prime Nehra were not good enough. Their bowling attack improved in 2013 when the likes of Shami and Bhuvneshwar emerged, and of course Bumrah few years later.

That was a strong Indian team, but they were not an all-conditions side like the one today. You can't win a World Cup in Australia, South Africa or England with pacers like Munaf Patel and Nehra (2011 version) and the likes of Yuvraj bowling full-time. India won the World Cup because they had the strongest batting lineup for subcontinent conditions and they could get away with overloading spinners. They clearly benefited from home advantage.

England has already lost a close match to Pakistan and were thoroughly embarrassed by Sri Lanka of all teams in 2019. They were outclassed by #4 ranked Australia. Despite ranked #1, they still have to win their final game to go to semis. Had England dominated the tournament in 2019 and then lost a match due to unfavorable conditions, the excuse would make sense. So far, England has been incredibly lucky that they have played most of their games on batting belters and none of their games have been affected by rain.

No one would deny that England significantly underperformed in this World Cup prior to the India match, because there is no excuse for losing to a mediocre side like Pakistan with their full-strength team. However, the pitch for the Sri Lanka match was a farce. India and Australia in 2011 and 2015 were not exposed to such ridiculous pitches.
 
I have to agree with you there, England pitches in general are good for everyone. Meanwhile Australia and Newzeland WC 2015 was a farce to say the least. This is why 2019 WC is so much better. Last time we had this kind of WC was probably in 2003 south africa.


2003 and 2007 World Cups had neutral pitches too, but Australia were too dominant. Without Australia, those two World Cups would have been extremely competitive.
 
Neesham and Grandhomme can both hit miles, and on his day Ross Taylor can be unstoppable. There's a reason, NZL have been among the top ODI sides recently. It's just that they haven't batted well in this World Cup, outside of Williamson.

They still are fully capable of scoring 330+ when batting first and, if it happens, England will fold under pressure.

Go Kiwis!!

Taylor can really be a relentless force on his day but we´ve seen that he has changed his game a lot. From my memory, the last time he slogged them out of the park was against Pakistan in World Cup 2011 (matters not as we both teams are brothers after all :yk). He has ever since been batting more like a "Normal batsman" (if the term makes sense at all!).

Neesham and de Grandhomme can indeed go big, but they´ll need a solid platform from the top-order to go for the big launch in the last overs. If an early collapse happens, I can´t see them playing too much of a role in terms of setting an England-proof total. I say this keeping in mind if a flat track is served.

If we bat first 2maw, and get to 300 , it's game on.
I'm telling you

I just so loved the "we" in your post! We´re all indeed "we" today, especially the "wi" from "Kiwi". :msd
 
A pitch which is anything except a flat track will right away bring Williamson into the game. He has had a couple of low scores in two back to back matches, and he´s too good a player to be failing for the third time in a row.
 
Ferguson was our main hope. England will crush them now. Basically we need England to choke now or Guptill to play a blinder.
 
Toss lost, match lost... book your flights back on Saturday, Pakistan team!
 
Taylor can really be a relentless force on his day but we´ve seen that he has changed his game a lot. From my memory, the last time he slogged them out of the park was against Pakistan in World Cup 2011 (matters not as we both teams are brothers after all :yk). He has ever since been batting more like a "Normal batsman" (if the term makes sense at all!).

Neesham and de Grandhomme can indeed go big, but they´ll need a solid platform from the top-order to go for the big launch in the last overs. If an early collapse happens, I can´t see them playing too much of a role in terms of setting an England-proof total. I say this keeping in mind if a flat track is served.



I just so loved the "we" in your post! We´re all indeed "we" today, especially the "wi" from "Kiwi". :msd

Yeh shame we lost the toss again :(
 
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