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Which team is more likely to make the Champions Trophy Final: Pakistan or Bangladesh?

Pak.If bangla bat first they have to make a mamooth total(around 350) to have a chance and if they bat second they will likely succomb to the pressure not like pak is good at chasing anything but our bowlers are better at defending a low total or restricting the opposition.
 
Pakistan is unpredictable and England is not invincible.

Pakistan can win it against England IF
1. Pakistan wins the toss and field first.
2. Hundred or quickfire 80s from Shoaib Malik (which I believe is due)
 
New Yorker said:
we didnt bowl out safrica but we kept them below 250 because they dont have england's depth.
also if england is smart they wont go all guns blazing; 300 will be too much for azhar, hafeez and
co.
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If ENG are down 7 wickets at the end of 35, they will not go gun blazing (nothing much is left after that). If you go that route, you will be out below 200, not below 230...SA go the other route...Even against India had we held catches of Yvi and Kohli and not lost bowlers, things would have been very different...Bowlers are not walk in the part for any team, that's my point. Playing aggressive cricket against us will help us.

It does not matter if opposition is all out or not, key is keeping them below 250, that is as good as all out in most cases.

Pakistan has not taken many wickets in first 10, still manage to keep lit on opposition, which is remarkable in many ways. This is still possible against ENG, with spin and reverse swing.
 
I am going to put money on Pakistan tomorrow and I will root for them. this England team is overrated. they are going to play on pitch where two matches were played. So it will be slow and dry. if Pak picks up sadab, I see Pakistan having good chance to beat this overrated England team. it will also give us an opportunity to thrash this average Pakistani team one more time in this tournament.
 
Executioner said:
A few people have the impression that Pakistan/WI are much better than us which is why we bring the arguement of the rankings and such. People also mention the importance of performing in big match.

But here we are, in the semi-finals of the champions trophy. Fans claimed we would be annihilated in the CT without a fight, but hey we made it.
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You can argue those people with proof of results, not with rankings. Rankings only take you so far, Sri Lanka is ranked above us yet are beaten in every series every single time. Does that mean they're better than us? I am not sure who said you would be annihlated? You did get lucky against Australia, but then again history is made from a little bit of luck (our 1992 WC win shows that)

Pakistani bowling is better than yours but your batting is comfortably better than ours. WI is not even comparable to either you or us, that's how bad they are. I think any reasonable person would agree to this post.
 
Pakpak said:
You can argue those people with proof of results, not with rankings. Rankings only take you so far, Sri Lanka is ranked above us yet are beaten in every series every single time. Does that mean they're better than us? I am not sure who said you would be annihlated? You did get lucky against Australia, but then again history is made from a little bit of luck (our 1992 WC win shows that)

Pakistani bowling is better than yours but your batting is comfortably better than ours. WI is not even comparable to either you or us, that's how bad they are. I think any reasonable person would agree to this post.
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I agree with your post. My post wasn't aired at you but those make remarks like:

1) Annihilated
2) WI deserve it better(believe me there was already a thread on this topic 5 days ago or so)
3) BD don't deserve test status.
4) BD are no match to Pakistan
5) BD has the weakest bowling attack in the world(like what?)
 
Executioner said:
I agree with your post. My post wasn't aired at you but those make remarks like:

1) Annihilated
2) WI deserve it better(believe me there was already a thread on this topic 5 days ago or so)
3) BD don't deserve test status.
4) BD are no match to Pakistan
5) BD has the weakest bowling attack in the world(like what?)
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Those are all stupid points, I agree. :)) But most fans would agree that all the points are not legitimate. There are hyper posters from both sides who get wound up.
 
BD bowling is weak and there is no denying that. We dont have Starc, Southee, Boult, or Adam Milne.

If we had bowlers like that we would easily be in top 5 due to decent batting lineup.
 
MMHS said:
However, this has nothing to do with what will be the odd between PAK - VS BD. Mathematically, it stands at 42:25 in favor of PAK from this 2 bets, which to me is correct when it comes to PAK vs ENG & BD vs IND; but not necessarily PAK vs BD.
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I recon in hypothetical situation , odds for BD-Pak will be closer than 42:25, but then it's just my guess.
 
Bangla Boys have a chance. One of my favorite moments was seeing Bangladeshi fans celebrate when their team was doing well in a match and hearing a Bangladeshi commentator (Athar Ali Khan maybe?) literally scream "Bangla Boys!!! Bangla Boys!!!" and images being shown on camera of the Bangladeshe crowd erupting in joy and jubilation. I think a young kid even took off his shirt at started beating his chest. Such was the passion. Unfortunately they did not win the match, and people made fun of the commentator, but they are improving with every game and that is awesome for world cricket. I also hope that they make the phrase "Bangla Boys" their own and wear it with pride
 
Surely Pakistan, We can beat any team on our day and with these last 2 victories, confidence of our players must be very high. Also I don't think Bangladesh can defeat India after that warmup game thrashing.
 
Pakpak said:
You can argue those people with proof of results, not with rankings. Rankings only take you so far, Sri Lanka is ranked above us yet are beaten in every series every single time. Does that mean they're better than us? I am not sure who said you would be annihlated? You did get lucky against Australia, but then again history is made from a little bit of luck (our 1992 WC win shows that)

Pakistani bowling is better than yours but your batting is comfortably better than ours. WI is not even comparable to either you or us, that's how bad they are. I think any reasonable person would agree to this post.
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Not really. Past 10 years have been pretty even.
 
BDfanforever said:
What does 42:25 would mean? Sports odds are comfusing.
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Sometime odds are expressed bit differently, but it's a simple concept.

Imagine Zim and Aus are going to play 100 ODIs. I can say that odds of Zim winning is 5% or 1 game out of 20 games. It can be also expressed as Zim - Aus odds are 1 - 20 . It doesn't matter how we express it, it's a simple probability of one team winning. Now you can come up with very off target odds , but bookies are generally right on target to come up with correct odds due to money involved. Since Zim's chance is only 5% against Aus, you can bet money on Zim and if Zim wins then you make lots of money. Placing bets on Aus will not make you much money because Aus is anyway expected to win. Bookies don't lose much money and main reason is that they are pretty good with calculating odds.

Hope it helped a bit.
 
Buffet said:
Sometime odds are expressed bit differently, but it's a simple concept.

Imagine Zim and Aus are going to play 100 ODIs. I can say that odds of Zim winning is 5% or 1 game out of 20 games. It can be also expressed as Zim - Aus odds are 1 - 20 . It doesn't matter how we express it, it's a simple probability of one team winning. Now you can come up with very off target odds , but bookies are generally right on target to come up with correct odds due to money involved. Since Zim's chance is only 5% against Aus, you can bet money on Zim and if Zim wins then you make lots of money. Placing bets on Aus will not make you much money because Aus is anyway expected to win. Bookies don't lose much money and main reason is that they are pretty good with calculating odds.

Hope it helped a bit.
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Yes it does, thanks.
 
India...then Eng followed by Pak and Bangladesh.
Course would love to see Pak v Ind and Pak winning.
 
geraltofrivia said:
Even last 4 years have been pretty even.
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You seem to have comprehension issues. Bangladeshi supporters say: we are ranked above because we won the ''last series 3-0'', why don't you tell them to talk about last 10 years as well? My point was about rankings recently, not the last ten years. We won the last two series against Sri Lanka (in 13/14 in UAE and then the same in Sri Lanka after our BD series), yet they are ranked above us. You can make a case for rankings if a team is ahead of us by a mile, like say Australia or South Africa, but a team who's ahead by 3-5 points is nothing to crow about. They could easily make their point by showing us series results, of which they have had good ones and we have had terrible ones.

Good to see, an Indian rushing to the defence of a team who's got enough supporters on here to defend themselves.
 
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BDfanforever said:
BD bowling is weak and there is no denying that. We dont have Starc, Southee, Boult, or Adam Milne.

If we had bowlers like that we would easily be in top 5 due to decent batting lineup.
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All you need to do is restrict them to 300 and it'd be game on. If Tamim fires it''d be game over.
 
Pakistan has a better chance.Because India will take calculative risks.They lost one match to Srilanka,so they are concerned about their shortcomings.They are strong in every departments,experienced so if they are focused they are supposed to do less mistakes. England is yet to loose,playing aggressive cricket.So i have a feeling that they will falter this time around against Pakistan.

But on papers,both Pakistan and Bangladesh are no match to their opponents.
 
Zabbaz said:
Bangla Boys have a chance. One of my favorite moments was seeing Bangladeshi fans celebrate when their team was doing well in a match and hearing a Bangladeshi commentator (Athar Ali Khan maybe?) literally scream "Bangla Boys!!! Bangla Boys!!!" and images being shown on camera of the Bangladeshe crowd erupting in joy and jubilation. I think a young kid even took off his shirt at started beating his chest. Such was the passion. Unfortunately they did not win the match, and people made fun of the commentator, but they are improving with every game and that is awesome for world cricket. I also hope that they make the phrase "Bangla Boys" their own and wear it with pride
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Well said.We are "Bangla boys".
 
The Cardiff pitch gives Pakistan a better chance than Bangladesh. Our bowlers will definitely be in the game as we saw from the last game vs Sri Lanka.


Egbaston could potentially be a batting friendly pitch. You would expect Dhawan to fire on such pitch. With Pandya, MS,and Yuvi down the order India should be able to produce enough runs or chase down a Bangladesh target.
 
Pakistan definitely. It's actually quite possible that we will win tomorrow. However for bangladesh to beat this current indian team, they'll need to play the match of their life and I just don't see that happening. India to score 300+ and bundle out bangladesh under 200, or bangladesh to bat first and make 230-240 and India to chase it down in 35 overs.
 
Both team have similar chances.

Any game can change in 2 balls and both teams are certainly capable of changing any match as we saw in group stage.

But I will personally give more chance to Bangladesh as India hasn't won any hard fought game yet and they couldn't do jack when faced with a challenging situation against SL
 
Bangladesh has improved the most in the last few years for sure.. just that they have to start winning more outside of Bangladesh. Especially when the wickets are bouncy.

expect to see some short stuff by india
 
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Bangladesh, because India is an overrated team and tomorrow we'll send them packing by DHL.

Brother Soumya will score a double ton :sachin
 
Sane.Cricket.Fan said:
This is something that puts even reasonable cricket fans off.

I.e the typical BD Cricket fans Attitude (& Photoshop skills)
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you guys need to stop taking everything seriously and need to understand the sarcasm behind certain posts.

Also you guys whine way too much about what other BD fans might say over the internet lol.
 
bangladesh and indian clash would be the first of its kind in semis when india would be competing eastern and not western neighbour :))

how times change
 
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