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Which team should get credit for throwing India out of T20 World Cup?

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In my opinion I would give credit to NZ for throwing us out of this world cup. Which team in your opinion should get the credit and why? :inti
 
Pakistan indeed. The hammering that Pakistan gave them took them out of the tournament. They couldn't recover from it.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] will be gutted
 
Pakistan for breaking the spirit and arrogance of the IPL shupa ishtars.


BCCI and ICC tried their best to make qualification to semis for India as easy as possible, but seems like the Indian players will still in IPL mode expecting 130kph meethi bowling.
 
India only have themselves to blame.

They were hammered by both Pakistan and New Zealand.

After those defeats, their days in the tournament were numbered.
 
No team deserves any credit. India have only themselves to blame for their exit.
 
India only have themselves to blame.

They were hammered by both Pakistan and New Zealand.

After those defeats, their days in the tournament were numbered.
 
In reality they have only themselves to blame, but the 10 wicket thrashing by Pakistan put them on the back foot from day 1, meaning their next game against NZ was a virtual quarter final for them.
 
IPL INEFFICIENT PERFORMANCES LEAGUE :))
Did you all notice how all the so called stars of the Inefficient Performances League failed miserably after all the pre tournament HYPE.:)):)):)):)):))
 
The Indian coach and skipper should be the only ones to blame. Same way they take credit when team wins. That's fair IMO.

So credit to Kohli and Shastri?
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
In my opinion I would give credit to NZ for throwing us out of this world cup. Which team in your opinion should get the credit and why? :inti
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I think India left their cricket balls somewhere in the IPL, ultimately that was their downfall :(
 
The PSL that pathetic league made the semis and the great better than international cricket IPL made an early exit.
 
NZ deserves credit for kicking them out

As a pak fan it makes no sense with the resources, fitness and overall confidence of this Indian team how they manage to under achieve in ICC events since 2013 CT. Shows that MS Dhoni was just another breed.

Here I am just hoping Pakistan can one day play at home again let alone have even an iota of these Indian players' money confidence and fitness lol.

We would become invincible!
 
Bhai saab CREDIT only goes to Pakistan, coz by the time india came back to their senses, they were pretty much 0-2 and knocked out already... Pakistan didnt just defeat them, they Broke their confidence and cremated their arrogance... from which they havent recovered.

Also, its evident that there is some drama/unrest in their dressing room.
 
Too much arrogance and over confidence in the Indian Cricketing, ex players circle and media. Rightfully shown up this tournament
 
On reflection India should have refused to participate in a tournament where Pakistan was taking part on account of that country's involvement in alleged terror offences on Indian soil.
 
All the IPL teams put together should surely take the lion's share of the credit.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
In my opinion I would give credit to NZ for throwing us out of this world cup. Which team in your opinion should get the credit and why? :inti
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1. India loose against pakistan by 10 wickets and they were under great pressure going in to the next match.

2. Vs NZ, you have messed up with your batting order how kohli and co will justify that?

3. You cannot book your seat for semi's to bash minnows and rely on other teams.

4. Most important thing, india thinks WC is also like IPL and go with 30% fit hardik and you don't have replacement for his spot? I see lack of planning.
 
Afridi - Aftera few overs India realised this isn’t the IPL anymore- things were never the same again .

On the plus side , there is no doubt India are GOAT in beating minnows
 
Anyone remember in the pre-match discussion for the India vs Pakistan game, Sunil Gavaskar said Rahul and Rohit are in such amazing form that Kohli may not even have to bat. (Kohli was slated to come at three)



As they say gharoor ka sar neecha


Bye bye India don't let the door hit you on the way out
 
Credit definitely to Pakistan for pummeling the sorry indians and mentally scarring them with a 10 wicket win. Their vegetarian diet is also to blame for giving them weak and frail body compositions. You cant bowl inswinging scorchers with speed and accuracy like Shaheen if you eat Dosa for dinner :))).
 
Indians ko doob ke mar jana chahiye. All the money in the world, all the facilities in the world, so much support, fan following, had the IPL in the same conditions as the T20 WC on the same pitches and still they find themselves out of the cup.
 
We played very poor throughout the tournament so we don't deserve a place in semifinals .hope this team bounce back quickly as two bad game certainly don't make them bad . They are one of the best cricket team .
 
India, they thought it was a done deal, tbf so did I.
 
India themselves. Top tier team with quality players.
Pakistan's victory completely demoralized them. Nobody liked to be the team to register the first World Cup loss to Pakistan but they were and that too in a completely one sided match up.
Then they had to face their unlucky charm NZ on top of that too. Like Pakistan had that mental block vs India so did the Indians vs NZ.
 
Also toss Play big part in this tournament ,we are unlucky with toss. This is not a excuse for Poor performance but toss is certainly one of important factor here.
 
Also yes, might catch some flack from [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] but the IPL does soften up players. I've mentioned this before that no T20 league in the world can match the intensity of competition in an international match.
 
Devadwal said:
Also toss Play big part in this tournament ,we are unlucky with toss. This is not a excuse for Poor performance but toss is certainly one of important factor here.
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It was because of poor selection. How can u drop Chahal and Dhawan ?

Also Mauka adv also played it's role. Too much arrogance does backfire sometimes.
 
Devadwal said:
Also toss Play big part in this tournament ,we are unlucky with toss. This is not a excuse for Poor performance but toss is certainly one of important factor here.
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What about no travel, playing in cool night breezes, having last matches at end so that in case India knows what to chase etc. Negates the toss right
 
Pakistan & NZ are better teams at the moment.

I would go as far as to say -
Both will reach the final as they are the best 2 teams in the tournament.
Among these two, NZ is a slightly better team but Pakistan has the incorporeal right to win this trophy.

But until the next tournament, cricket is an overrated sport.
 
Pakistan they mentally destroyed India it was a incredible performance once in a lifetime performance.
 
Savak said:
Indians ko doob ke mar jana chahiye. All the money in the world, all the facilities in the world, so much support, fan following, had the IPL in the same conditions as the T20 WC on the same pitches and still they find themselves out of the cup.
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Lol what a poor analysis .post 2010 look at our records ,yes we were not won much ICC trophy but Still our records is one of the best .
2011 WC WINNER
2013 CT WINNER
2014 WT20 RUNNER UP
2015 WC SEMI
2016 WT20 SEMI
2017 CT RUNNER UP
2019 WC SEMI
2021 WTC RUNNER UP
2016 To 2021 BEST TEST TEAM

Only this period we not qualified for Two WT20 SEMI ( 2012 ,2021)
 
Devadwal said:
Also toss Play big part in this tournament ,we are unlucky with toss. This is not a excuse for Poor performance but toss is certainly one of important factor here.
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Yeah the other reasons might be the other teams were allowed to have bowlers who bowled more than 140kph, spinners who spun the bowl, fielders who caught the bowl and batsmen who wielded bats instead of hockey sticks.


I'm completely with you, such injustice against India.
 
Devadwal said:
Also toss Play big part in this tournament ,we are unlucky with toss. This is not a excuse for Poor performance but toss is certainly one of important factor here.
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Fair point, Kohli has definitely been an unlucky toss**r in this tournament.
 
Savak said:
Too much arrogance and over confidence in the Indian Cricketing, ex players circle and media. Rightfully shown up this tournament
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Even when they beat Scotland jadeja was like we could beat anyone if we play like this mate you just got anhiltated by Pakistan and Zealand !
 
Only one guy responsible for throwing India out of world cup. Shaheen Shah Afridi

They played like scared chickens against Kiwis because of that, even kohli admittied that after the loss against Kiwis, that they weren't brave enough and played half shots and got out. Shaheen did the serious damage.
 
Pakistan. Trent boult press conference of emulating shaheen made India to change their batting order and this is where they were disqualified.
 
drubwrubnat said:
Pakistan & NZ are better teams at the moment.

I would go as far as to say -
Both will reach the final as they are the best 2 teams in the tournament.
Among these two, NZ is a slightly better team but Pakistan has the incorporeal right to win this trophy.

But until the next tournament, cricket is an overrated sport.
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Pakistan are better than New Zealand but not as good as England
 
Unfortunately not many indian fans are here to answer this question. They have all left the forums for next few weeks. Obviously Pakistani fans will say that Pakistan threw India out of this tournament but in my opinion it was NZ. We have a mental block against them in ICC tournaments. Whether it is semi final of 2019 WC, WTC final or a group match in this world cup. :inti
 
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Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Unfortunately not many indian fans are here to answer this question. They have all left the forums for next few weeks. Obviously Pakistani fans will say that Pakistan threw India out of this tournament but in my opinion it was NZ. We have a mental block against them in ICC tournaments. Whether it is semi final of 2019 WC, WTC final or a group match in this world cup. :inti
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NZ is our bogey team , I don't know when will this curse remove. But Pakistan game was important for momentum but we failed miserably so it has to be Pakistan.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Unfortunately not many indian fans are here to answer this question. They have all left the forums for next few weeks. Obviously Pakistani fans will say that Pakistan threw India out of this tournament but in my opinion it was NZ. We have a mental block against them in ICC tournaments. Whether it is semi final of 2019 WC, WTC final or a group match in this world cup. :inti
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If Kiwis usually beat you that was just a regulation match then. Can't understand the logic here.

Main blow was delivered by Shaheen Afridi and i know it will show its effects in future Indo-Pak matches. The match India should have won was the one against Pakistan, but shaheen blew them in to bits. India was meant to lose against Kiwis anyway as you just admit too. So how can that be the reason of India crashing out?
 
Kraetoz said:
If Kiwis usually beat you that was just a regulation match then. Can't understand the logic here.

Main blow was delivered by Shaheen Afridi and i know it will show its effects in future Indo-Pak matches. The match India should have won was the one against Pakistan, but shaheen blew them in to bits. India was meant to lose against Kiwis anyway as you just admit too. So how can that be the reason of India crashing out?
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Its does not effect in future. We know what happened after CT final when both team meet in Asia cup .India batsman destroy Aamir and Afridi .
 
Devadwal said:
Its does not effect in future. We know what happened after CT final when both team meet in Asia cup .India batsman destroy Aamir and Afridi .
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I say that because the streak is over now. It's always 50/50 chance for both from now onwards.
 
Devadwal said:
Its does not effect in future. We know what happened after CT final when both team meet in Asia cup .India batsman destroy Aamir and Afridi .
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I am sure India will make a strong comeback in the next World Cup. This world cup was similar to 2007 World Cup for us. Things are only going to get better from here. Although one thing I don't like is the guys who were giving OTT statements regarding India and IPL are not here to share their thoughts in this thread. There is no sportsman spirit in those guys. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
I am sure India will make a strong comeback in the next World Cup. This world cup was similar to 2007 World Cup for us. Things are only going to get better from here. Although one thing I don't like is the guys who were giving OTT statements regarding India and IPL are not here to share their thoughts in this thread. There is no sportsman spirit in those guys. :inti
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We need to win 2022 WT20 and WC 2023. I think Virat captioncy in LOI is not so great and he does not have any luck whatsoever . We have good player who can dominated so one failed WT20 qualifications does not make them bad in a week .
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
I am sure India will make a strong comeback in the next World Cup. This world cup was similar to 2007 World Cup for us. Things are only going to get better from here. Although one thing I don't like is the guys who were giving OTT statements regarding India and IPL are not here to share their thoughts in this thread. There is no sportsman spirit in those guys. :inti
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It won’t be easy Kohli Sharma and others will need replacing soon if they play next WC can they produce a big performance in foreign conditions past their prime think Pakistan and India will find it tough next year.
 
I don't know which genius had the idea of scheduling all the tough matches first (mind you this was for the big 3 in this group). But blaming schedules is clutching at straws.
India played with cowardice as Kohli said simply not brave enough. I think the Shaheen delivery to Rohit really send shockwaves to India. Being a fan I got a very CT'17 final vibe after that delivery.
 
Devadwal said:
We need to win 2022 WT20 and WC 2023. I think Virat captioncy in LOI is not so great and he does not have any luck whatsoever . We have good player who can dominated so one failed WT20 qualifications does not make them bad in a week .
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I said this two years ago that Virat should not captain India in LOIs but fans like [MENTION=146232]jeeteshssaxena[/MENTION] were blindly defending Kohli's captaincy here. :inti
 
Devadwal said:
Its does not effect in future. We know what happened after CT final when both team meet in Asia cup .India batsman destroy Aamir and Afridi .
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Afridi wasn't even playing then. What you been smoking. Usual lies by Indians to try to fool people
 
Pakistan will be of course without their stalwarts Hafeez and Malik (hopefully) we will need to find 2-3 decent middle order batsmen to have a chance next year.

It’s a tough ask for us to do well next year could be a non Asian dominated WC with Sri Lanka and Bangladesh not close to being good enough currently.
 
KingKhan12 said:
Afridi wasn't even playing then. What you been smoking. Usual lies by Indians to try to fool people
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Lol check Asia cup 2018, He played that tournament. you can check your knowledge before lecturer to me .
 
Savak said:
Indians ko doob ke mar jana chahiye. All the money in the world, all the facilities in the world, so much support, fan following, had the IPL in the same conditions as the T20 WC on the same pitches and still they find themselves out of the cup.
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Thank god some one said this. I was gonna rant & rant but what can we say
 
[MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION], not directly related to the topic, but in my honest opinion India's biggest ICC tourney defeat ever to the Kiwis were in the 2000 CT final! A match surprisingly seems to have gone off radar. I mean the last one,the semifinal, test final all makes sense but I still feel that 21 year old is the biggest one. Because I feel it's that match which started this tradition of Indians chocking miserably in ICC knockouts after blasting opponents at initial stage. I mean just think think about it, they had beaten the two absolute best teams of that era with ease. Infact the semifinal was as absolute humiliation for the proteas. To do that & getting that monstrous opening partnership & yet losing the match was just typical India of ICC KO. I know Dhoni almost changed the perception but the truth is that was the match which exposed them, not the 2003 final. I'll admit Cairns played a masterstroke,but still India should have sealed the deal.
 
Pakistan for hammering a ten wicket win against them in the tournament opener, which made them press the panic button change the batting lineup against NZL and not playing Ashwin the experienced off spinner in these helping low and slow pitches.
 
VForVendetta said:
[MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION], not directly related to the topic, but in my honest opinion India's biggest ICC tourney defeat ever to the Kiwis were in the 2000 CT final! A match surprisingly seems to have gone off radar. I mean the last one,the semifinal, test final all makes sense but I still feel that 21 year old is the biggest one. Because I feel it's that match which started this tradition of Indians chocking miserably in ICC knockouts after blasting opponents at initial stage. I mean just think think about it, they had beaten the two absolute best teams of that era with ease. Infact the semifinal was as absolute humiliation for the proteas. To do that & getting that monstrous opening partnership & yet losing the match was just typical India of ICC KO. I know Dhoni almost changed the perception but the truth is that was the match which exposed them, not the 2003 final. I'll admit Cairns played a masterstroke,but still India should have sealed the deal.
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I actually watched that CT final against NZ and agree with you but this thread is about 2021 T20 World Cup only. :inti
 
Yes on topic, it was 100% Pakistan. That defeat has mentally scarred them & will haunt on them for a long long period. I don't want to childishly admit that this is the match which will do what Javed's 87 sixer did. Because Pakistanis had claimed that in 12' when Junaid made them look like novices, there were thousands of posts claiming Afridi had done that with those half hearted sixers at Asia cup 14'.Less said about the CT final the better. But no doubt it was Pakistan, Kiwis only completed the formality, which they undoubtedly did brilliantly. That Afridi spell,those Rauf thunderbolts, unlikely tight fielding & obviously cool-calm batting approach. Everything that occurred in that match was unthinkable for the Indians. They were so shell shocked that they forgot to bat against the Kiwis. Look they had a horrible start too at 16 edition. But it didn't have any effect on their approach.Because even that defeat was embarrassing, they knew what went wrong. So they corrected those. In this case they had no idea. Because they were so dumbfounded. Whether you call it confidence or sheer arrogance Indians had definitely thought they had the match within their grasp & 151 was enough for Bumrah & co. When one single match compels you to completely change your batting order & take an uncharacteristic defensive approach then that match surely caused your downfall.
 
Pakistan did give India a massive, a massive, jolt, no doubt about that, but it was a factor of multiple things which knocked India out of the tournament. Of course, following that, India would've qualified for the Semi-Finals, despite the loss to Pakistan, had they beaten New Zealand, but the problem here for them was that India hadn't beaten them either in an ICC tournament since 2003, and the scars from the World Cup Semi-Final from two years ago against the same team too must've been fresh on every player's mind.

However, the thing here is that India got massively trolled by New Zealand in all three matches versus the weaker team:)). In all three games, there were moments where it seemed like that "that" miracle might indeed happen for India, especially against Scotland and Namibia, but New Zealand pulled themselves out of trouble each time with great ease. If I was asked to pinpoint one main factor, I would mention Guptill`s innings against Scotland because in that match, Scotland did seem to be standing just a few steps away from an upset. However, above all, India themselves messing up things so badly against the two stronger teams of the group proved to be the deciding factor in the end.
 
Unquestionably Pakistan. The New Zealand game was merely an after effect of the shock defeat to Pakistan. It is impossible to explain in words how one-sided the chase was by Pakistan. I still give some credit to how India recovered after being 2 wickets down for next to nothing to go up to 150 plus.

No matter what the players say - a win or a defeat against Pakistan will always have either a morale boosting or deflating effect that can never be replicated with any other team. It's a shame these countries only play once in a blue moon.
 
New Zealand since they dealt the final blow. However, losing vs Pakistan meant every game was essentially a KO game, so both games had an impact, but NZ was more decisive.
 
Team India their mgmt and board. All the arrogance, ipl, poor selection, making favorable schedule and still not able to win one out of two big games.

Then what they did in Afghanistan and Scotland game actually hurt them in a way. They could have left door open for Afghanistan to qualify with a simple win rather than huge margin win so they could have put better effort to beat nz by scoring a 140 to 150 even and not being under so much pressure. Then whatever the gap India could have made up in their final Namibia game. Getting so far ahead in their nrr didn't really help much.
 
Devadwal said:
We played very poor throughout the tournament so we don't deserve a place in semifinals .hope this team bounce back quickly as two bad game certainly don't make them bad . They are one of the best cricket team .
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You did well against Afghanistan and Scotland. I am sure you will do well against Namibia as well.
 
Mobashir said:
You did well against Afghanistan and Scotland. I am sure you will do well against Namibia as well.
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After 13th attempt in WC Pakistan finally win against india. Congrats to Pakistan for qualifying for a WC semi after a long wait of 9 years .. while India fails to qualify for the semis for the first time in 9 years ..:Dah
 
Devadwal said:
After 13th attempt in WC Pakistan finally win against india. Congrats to Pakistan for qualifying for a WC semi after a long wait of 9 years .. while India fails to qualify for the semis for the first time in 9 years ..:Dah
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Why are you always so much off topic?
But just in case, Pakistan has reached semis 5 times IN T20 world cups and India 3 times.
Overall, we have done much better than you in T20 world cups.
Not to mention, you won the least important one, the one no one really took seriously.
Thanks for organizing this world cup still!
 
NZ walking out on the eleventh hour and then Eng pulling out got the anger juices flowing in the Pakistan squad.

We needed to unleash our anger so clinically that it had to start from the root cause and that 10 wkt hammerege delivered on a plate was just the beginning of the end for the Indian. Lesson learned I hope.
 
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