Which team will break India's unbeaten series win streak at home in Tests?

[mominsaigol]

Sri Lanka have had the tendency to come as Dark Horses. I know many look at it as a ridiculous take but it's not really as ridiculous when one would think like you have you. Plus it's a bold prediction and I could see this happen down the years.

Yes it Is. It's an extremely extremely ridiculously take.

Saying the words it's not really as ridiculously as one thinks does not make it sound any less ridiculous.

It's like if I said, Ik you think it sounds stupid but the world really is flat and it's not as stupid as it sounds. The truth is it still sounds stupid.

Beating India in India is extremely difficult because their the world's best bowling attack and their batters barring a few has beens are still class and their curators know how to cultivate pitches to their perfect advantage better then any other test nation.

Australia is the only other nation that can make Bilo bounce pitches to suit their advantage and make sure their pitches take put the spin factor hence their the 2nd most dominant team at home after India. Even England isn't the best at this with many sides like Afghanistan, Sri lanka, NZ, Pakistan and Australia being able to beat England in their own den.

Sri lanka has a flat chance in hell in India.

The only teams that have a chance in India is Australia and England. No one else.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Which team can reverse this scenario?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1841523677394878741

 

[jnaveen1980]

During transition stage anything may happen. Couple of bad sessions away from losing a Test. Right now they have bullet proof line up. 9 batsmen.

 

[nish_mate]

During transition stage anything may happen. Couple of bad sessions away from losing a Test. Right now they have bullet proof line up. 9 batsmen.

We invite Windies, Ireland and Hobbits during the transition

 

[jnaveen1980]

Yes it Is. It's an extremely extremely ridiculously take.

Saying the words it's not really as ridiculously as one thinks does not make it sound any less ridiculous.

It's like if I said, Ik you think it sounds stupid but the world really is flat and it's not as stupid as it sounds. The truth is it still sounds stupid.

Beating India in India is extremely difficult because their the world's best bowling attack and their batters barring a few has beens are still class and their curators know how to cultivate pitches to their perfect advantage better then any other test nation.

Australia is the only other nation that can make Bilo bounce pitches to suit their advantage and make sure their pitches take put the spin factor hence their the 2nd most dominant team at home after India. Even England isn't the best at this with many sides like Afghanistan, Sri lanka, NZ, Pakistan and Australia being able to beat England in their own den.

Sri lanka has a flat chance in hell in India.

The only teams that have a chance in India is Australia and England. No one else.

You are talking about Australian curators, SA curators who deliberately take spinners out of the equation.

 

[jnaveen1980]

When Sarfraz fully matures India will become even more dangerous. He will reel out double centuries, triple centuries at home.

 

[nish_mate]

When Sarfraz fully matures India will become even more dangerous. He will reel out double centuries, triple centuries at home.

Sarfraz is what Azam wants to be...the fat one that is...

 

[jnaveen1980]

Sarfraz is what Azam wants to be...the fat one that is...

And his brohter too. There is a group of youngsters coming through. Fearless, multi dimensional. Only guy you cannot replace is Bumrah.

 

[nish_mate]

And his brohter too. There is a group of youngsters coming through. Fearless, multi dimensional. Only guy you cannot replace is Bumrah.

It's OK, let's enjoy him whilst he's still running in. Happy if we get 2 Shami s and a latter half Umesh or Ishant

Hunt as a pack... the whole is greater than sum of it's parts..

 

[kron]

Yes it Is. It's an extremely extremely ridiculously take.

Saying the words it's not really as ridiculously as one thinks does not make it sound any less ridiculous.

It's like if I said, Ik you think it sounds stupid but the world really is flat and it's not as stupid as it sounds. The truth is it still sounds stupid.

Beating India in India is extremely difficult because their the world's best bowling attack and their batters barring a few has beens are still class and their curators know how to cultivate pitches to their perfect advantage better then any other test nation.

Australia is the only other nation that can make Bilo bounce pitches to suit their advantage and make sure their pitches take put the spin factor hence their the 2nd most dominant team at home after India. Even England isn't the best at this with many sides like Afghanistan, Sri lanka, NZ, Pakistan and Australia being able to beat England in their own den.

Sri lanka has a flat chance in hell in India.

The only teams that have a chance in India is Australia and England. No one else.

People forget this but great Aussie sides always, and I mean always had a great great spinner.

Warne Lyon benaud etc.

3 pacers one spinner has always been their set up

And also one AR who can bowl a bit and restrict runs.

 

[jnaveen1980]

People forget this but great Aussie sides always, and I mean always had a great great spinner.

Warne Lyon benaud etc.

3 pacers one spinner has always been their set up

And also one AR who can bowl a bit and restrict runs.

They know how to convert even average spinner into a half decent spinner.

 

[ChennaiFan]

And his brohter too. There is a group of youngsters coming through. Fearless, multi dimensional. Only guy you cannot replace is Bumrah.

Musheer Khan is a rising star. I expect him to be wonderful middle order bat in the coming years.

Yes, it is not going to be easy to replace Bumrah just like how it was not possible to replace Sachin. But we will have different types of match winners.

For India to sustain the dominance, we need good young spinners. There are no standout leg spinners in the domestic circuit now. Hoping to see some in the mix.

 

[kron]

T

They know how to convert even average spinner into a half decent spinner.

The day they stop producing quality spinners is when they will become an average side again..
Not pacers.
Same with india. India no will keep producing quality pacers but If spinner quality drops post ash we may have issues

 

[mominsaigol]

T

The day they stop producing quality spinners is when they will become an average side again..
Not pacers.
Same with india. India no will keep producing quality pacers but If spinner quality drops post ash we may have issues

That'll never happen lol.

India and Australia have the best infrastructure. Average players can became all time greats in their set up.

Someone like rohit sharma in a country like pakistan would have headed the chacha route lol, Aka nothing more then a pinch hitter because Misbah wouldn't be able to view his talent, coaches wouldn't be able to groom him, the team culture would wreck his motivation into pieces, and Players like shan and Imam would be seen better by default.

And rohit sharma talent wise wasn't even an average player, talent wise he's one of the greatest by default?

So imagine is someone like KL Rahul existed in pakistan lol. The asia cup bashing wouldn't have happened, in fact he'd get booted out by misbah and rizwan in 2020 and provs be migrating to USA.

 

[kron]

That'll never happen lol.

India and Australia have the best infrastructure. Average players can became all time greats in their set up.

Someone like rohit sharma in a country like pakistan would have headed the chacha route lol, Aka nothing more then a pinch hitter because Misbah wouldn't be able to view his talent, coaches wouldn't be able to groom him, the team culture would wreck his motivation into pieces, and Players like shan and Imam would be seen better by default.

And rohit sharma talent wise wasn't even an average player, talent wise he's one of the greatest by default?

So imagine is someone like KL Rahul existed in pakistan lol. The asia cup bashing wouldn't have happened, in fact he'd get booted out by misbah and rizwan in 2020 and provs be migrating to USA.

agreed. pakistan have psl. if that develops then yes they have a shot. long way to go though.

 

[Red-Indian]

When Sarfraz fully matures India will become even more dangerous. He will reel out double centuries, triple centuries at home.

Have you followed his performance in the ongoing Irani Cup? Against the best next level bowlers India has to offer, he just looks a man mong boys. An untroubled 221 off 276 not out. Continuing to select KL Rahul over him is beginning to look like the most absurd decision ever.

 

[BouncerGuy]

India plays to his strength, so it is not easy to beat them at home. They have 2 world-class spinners in Ashwin and Jadeja and a pacer like Bumrah. Their batting is fearless. The perfect recipe for a great team and they are a great team at home

 

[Vikram1989]

Have you followed his performance in the ongoing Irani Cup? Against the best next level bowlers India has to offer, he just looks a man mong boys. An untroubled 221 off 276 not out. Continuing to select KL Rahul over him is beginning to look like the most absurd decision ever.

Problem is we/team management always prefer safety first.so kl will definitely start as front runner for aus series. Unless kl can't even score 15 or 20 in nz series, it's very difficult for sarfaraz to get in .he was always complained of not able to handle bounce,extreme pace.he should have gone to county this year to fix that and put more pressure on kl on all fronts

 

[Red-Indian]

Problem is we/team management always prefer safety first.so kl will definitely start as front runner for aus series. Unless kl can't even score 15 or 20 in nz series, it's very difficult for sarfaraz to get in .he was always complained of not able to handle bounce,extreme pace.he should have gone to county this year to fix that and put more pressure on kl on all fronts

I mean it's getting really weird at this point. His FC average is 66 at a strike rate of 70. Whatever his possible weaknesses against extreme pace and bounce, it's obvious he's devastating in Indian conditions.

This Irani Cup innings, he was up against all India National team level bowlers - Prasidh, Mukesh and Yash Dayal. Even the two spinners are knocking on the India door. All of them looked pointless against him - 222 not out.

There's just no excuses left - especially when he's competing against a batter, who even if you forget about Tests is averaging 44 at the First Class level.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Problem is we/team management always prefer safety first.so kl will definitely start as front runner for aus series. Unless kl can't even score 15 or 20 in nz series, it's very difficult for sarfaraz to get in .he was always complained of not able to handle bounce,extreme pace.he should have gone to county this year to fix that and put more pressure on kl on all fronts

I do not think that is the reason why KL is preferred. They treat Sarfraz as a back up middle order batsman rather than main one. Only way Sarfraz is going to replace him is when he has an epic series like Jaiswal when KL is missing. Look at Jurel. Produced two high pressure knocks against England. Yet finding himself out.

 

[Vikram1989]

I do not think that is the reason why KL is preferred. They treat Sarfraz as a back up middle order batsman rather than main one. Only way Sarfraz is going to replace him is when he has an epic series like Jaiswal when KL is missing. Look at Jurel. Produced two high pressure knocks against England. Yet finding himself out.

Jurel is against pant,an atg keeper for india, in test format and no chance there .but he has a decent chance in t20s and limited formats if he performs consistently.

Somehow KL has to be injured for atleast 3,4 months to leave him out of the team permanently and someone has to cash that opportunity big.management is not going to leave him for sure for some reason

 

[Vikram1989]

I mean it's getting really weird at this point. His FC average is 66 at a strike rate of 70. Whatever his possible weaknesses against extreme pace and bounce, it's obvious he's devastating in Indian conditions.

This Irani Cup innings, he was up against all India National team level bowlers - Prasidh, Mukesh and Yash Dayal. Even the two spinners are knocking on the India door. All of them looked pointless against him - 222 not out.

There's just no excuses left - especially when he's competing against a batter, who even if you forget about Tests is averaging 44 at the First Class level.

If u see one thing even in duleep trophy, even iyer is scoring 40 to 50 runs on difficult bouncy pitches at anantapur where pitches are imported from Brisbane. Now a days due to t20s,bashing domestic bowlers became easy for players like Iyer,Samson,Ishan and score super quick 40 to 50 runs almost at 90 sr.they will fail for sure in first innings where they have to build the innings.
But for Sarfaraz, it reached a point where team management have to give him an opportunity instead of KL and see what he can do. Definitely KL got some weight from top circles to hog on to his place irrespective of scores.

 

[Vikram1989]

There's just no excuses left - especially when he's competing against a batter, who even if you forget about Tests is averaging 44 at the First Class level.

Everyone knows jaiswal deserves the opening spot in place of unfit rohit in odi, no one does anything there.we won't run our team as ruthlessly as Aussies on a meritorious basis. As a matter of fact, kohli too does not belong in odis

 

[Red-Indian]

Everyone knows jaiswal deserves the opening spot in place of unfit rohit in odi, no one does anything there.we won't run our team as ruthlessly as Aussies on a meritorious basis. As a matter of fact, kohli too does not belong in odis

You really have a short memory. We're not even a year removed from a World Cup where Rohit was the best opening batter in the world with the possible exception of Head. Add to that his captaincy and experience and he's guaranteed a spot till he decides to retire or suddenly declines in performance.

Jaiswal can wait or compete with Gill/Kohli for a slot until then.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Jurel is against pant,an atg keeper for india, in test format and no chance there .but he has a decent chance in t20s and limited formats if he performs consistently.

Somehow KL has to be injured for atleast 3,4 months to leave him out of the team permanently and someone has to cash that opportunity big.management is not going to leave him for sure for some reason

He has about 15 to 20 sponsors. If he disappears from all formats that is a loss for them.

 

[Mockingbird]

You really have a short memory. We're not even a year removed from a World Cup where Rohit was the best opening batter in the world with the possible exception of Head. Add to that his captaincy and experience and he's guaranteed a spot till he decides to retire or suddenly declines in performance.

Jaiswal can wait or compete with Gill/Kohli for a slot until then.

Well, even Kohli had multiple centuries last WC and was the man of the series. Add to that you are talking about the best ODI chaser the world has ever seen. So you can’t say that he can be dropped.
Jaiswal can open with Rohit & everybody else moves a step down. I would have loved to see that in the last T20 WC as well.

 

[Vikram1989]

You really have a short memory. We're not even a year removed from a World Cup where Rohit was the best opening batter in the world with the possible exception of Head. Add to that his captaincy and experience and he's guaranteed a spot till he decides to retire or suddenly declines in performance.

Jaiswal can wait or compete with Gill/Kohli for a slot until then.

Rohit can't live on wc performance for ever and next wc is in 27.Do u think jaiswal can't provide "explosive" start like rohit where rohit can't stay more than 10 overs ? Even in Sri Lanka series he was not able to stay and grind after 10 overs when every one knows entire our batsmen are struggling against spin.A 2019 fit rohit may have done it happily.Always team matters not individuals.We can't leave an extra ordinary young individual out for an about to retire guy.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Have you followed his performance in the ongoing Irani Cup? Against the best next level bowlers India has to offer, he just looks a man mong boys. An untroubled 221 off 276 not out. Continuing to select KL Rahul over him is beginning to look like the most absurd decision ever.

Majority of the Indian success stories are heavy scorers in domestic. Dravid, Laxman, Pujara. Sure there were failures like Raman Lamba, WV Raman. But you should give opportunity to these guys to find out how well they translate their success. In a big country like India where we have so many players playing we cannot check each and everyone's talent with arbitrary critireas. So first criteria should be their ability to score big in domestic.

 

[Hellion]

I mean it's getting really weird at this point. His FC average is 66 at a strike rate of 70. Whatever his possible weaknesses against extreme pace and bounce, it's obvious he's devastating in Indian conditions.

This Irani Cup innings, he was up against all India National team level bowlers - Prasidh, Mukesh and Yash Dayal. Even the two spinners are knocking on the India door. All of them looked pointless against him - 222 not out.

There's just no excuses left - especially when he's competing against a batter, who even if you forget about Tests is averaging 44 at the First Class level.

Mumbai needs to bat him in the Top 4 and not at 6.

In the last 2 decades , no pure batter who bats at #6 has been selected for the Indian Test side no matter what his record is.

Only allrounders and wicketkeepers are picked when playing in the lower order .

 

[Mesozoic]

Last two times Australia came over , they were just 30 minutes of sensible cricket away from winning the series 2-1 instead of losing it. Bangalore 2017 and Delhi 2023 were massive missed opportunities.

England came pretty close to a 2-2 draw in 2021 only to be denied by a Pant-Sundar partnership in the final test.

 

[kron]

Last two times Australia came over , they were just 30 minutes of sensible cricket away from winning the series 2-1 instead of losing it. Bangalore 2017 and Delhi 2023 were massive missed opportunities.

England came pretty close to a 2-2 draw in 2021 only to be denied by a Pant-Sundar partnership in the final test.

Yea it's like an mma fight. Winning until they lose it. At the end of the day they lost. And India took the foot off the gas in 3rd test last time at home tbh. Also missing pant bumrah and the younger guys like jurel etc. Jaiswal dint play at the time.

 

[Red-Indian]

Mumbai needs to bat him in the Top 4 and not at 6.

In the last 2 decades , no pure batter who bats at #6 has been selected for the Indian Test side no matter what his record is.

Only allrounders and wicketkeepers are picked when playing in the lower order .

Maybe but I suspect it has more to do with a reluctance to seem too weighted towards Mumbai.

Theoretically, the Mumbai batting line-up could be

Prithvi Shaw
Yashasvi Jaiswal
Shreyas Iyer
Ajinkya Rahane
Sarfaraz Khan

With Suryakumar Yadav, Musheer Khan and Shivam Dube in reserve. There's a couple of really good spinning allrounders in Kotian and Mulani with Shardul able to swing the bat.

I'd back that batting line-up to be better than almost every test team except the top Australia and England.

 

[Hellion]

Maybe but I suspect it has more to do with a reluctance to seem too weighted towards Mumbai.

Theoretically, the Mumbai batting line-up could be

Prithvi Shaw
Yashasvi Jaiswal
Shreyas Iyer
Ajinkya Rahane
Sarfaraz Khan

With Suryakumar Yadav, Musheer Khan and Shivam Dube in reserve. There's a couple of really good spinning allrounders in Kotian and Mulani with Shardul able to swing the bat.

I'd back that batting line-up to be better than almost every test team except the top Australia and England.

Don't think that's it. There was an article on CI which kind of highlighted this.

They pick pure batters only on the ability to take quality pace on .

Which is why they stuck with Rahane, one of the worst Indian players of spin, for many years . Because he could play the short ball

Also Sarfaraz didn't particularly impress on A tours from memory and has a bit of a reputation for being weak against the short ball in domestic.


Mumbai should play him at #3. Shreyas and Rahane won't make it back to Indian team anytime soon so they can bat lower

 

[Red-Indian]

Don't think that's it. There was an article on CI which kind of highlighted this.

They pick pure batters only on the ability to take quality pace on .

Which is why they stuck with Rahane, one of the worst Indian players of spin, for many years . Because he could play the short ball

Also Sarfaraz didn't particularly impress on A tours from memory and has a bit of a reputation for being weak against the short ball in domestic.


Mumbai should play him at #3. Shreyas and Rahane won't make it back to Indian team anytime soon so they can bat lower

Mumbai cricket is very stodgy I'm afraid. It's very systematic, pay your dues, await your turn stuff. Sarfraz still has the stigma of having dumped Mumbai because he wasn't getting the chances and left for UP plus there's that old age-fudging accusation hanging over him. Mumbai can't deny his talent but is not going to do him any favours. Maybe he does need to go play County for a season like someone suggested.

Rahul's position in the test team is such a waste though. Dhruv Jurel and Sarfaraz should both be ahead of him.

 

[Hellion]

Mumbai cricket is very stodgy I'm afraid. It's very systematic, pay your dues, await your turn stuff. Sarfraz still has the stigma of having dumped Mumbai because he wasn't getting the chances and left for UP plus there's that old age-fudging accusation hanging over him. Mumbai can't deny his talent but is not going to do him any favours. Maybe he does need to go play County for a season like someone suggested.

Rahul's position in the test team is such a waste though. Dhruv Jurel and Sarfaraz should both be ahead of him.

Don't know about County because the standard is pretty low.

I think he needs to show his ability against pace somewhere even if it's only IPL .

 

[Vikram1989]

Don't know about County because the standard is pretty low.

I think he needs to show his ability against pace somewhere even if it's only IPL .

In ipl, wood made him look terrible and along with selection committee issues, it was mentioned everytime he can't handle extreme pace.He should get in to County team or Australia with A team in this nov desperately to showcase himself

 

[Hellion]

In ipl, wood made him look terrible and along with selection committee issues, it was mentioned everytime he can't handle extreme pace.He should get in to County team or Australia with A team in this nov desperately to showcase himself

Yeah that's what . Even in Irani Cup, he scored against strictly 130 kph bowlers after the 40 over mark with Prasidh a bit quicker.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indian cricket should worry about the replacement of Ashwin and Jadeja.

Right now we have Kuldeep and may be Manav Suthar. No one else. This isn't good.

 

[Red-Indian]

Indian cricket should worry about the replacement of Ashwin and Jadeja.

Right now we have Kuldeep and may be Manav Suthar. No one else. This isn't good.

I think between Axar (30), Kuldeep (29), Suthar (22) and a couple of other names there's enough for the next 6-7 years maybe longer. It's the allround ability that'll be missed though Axar has come on leaps and bounds and Kuldeep has shown promise as a lower order blocker.

I'm not too worried.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I think between Axar (30), Kuldeep (29), Suthar (22) and a couple of other names there's enough for the next 6-7 years maybe longer. It's the allround ability that'll be missed though Axar has come on leaps and bounds and Kuldeep has shown promise as a lower order blocker.

I'm not too worried.

Axar has done nothing except in one series.

Ofcourse Kuldeep is as good as anyone.

Suthar i have some hope too.

But if Suthar doesn't come through, who else?

 

[Red-Indian]

Axar has done nothing except in one series.

Ofcourse Kuldeep is as good as anyone.

Suthar i have some hope too.

But if Suthar doesn't come through, who else?

There's a few guys we can try

- Sai Kishore from TN FC average of 25 was sensational in the last season.
- Shams Mulani from Mumbai has looked very good the last couple of seasons and can bat as well. Also averages 24.

I don't think there's a shortage of spin talent out there. Whenever Ashwin/Jadeja have been out in the last few years, whoever has stepped in - Jayant Yadav, Axar, Kuldeep has done superbly. Our bowlers know how to bowl in India because of the rigour of First Class cricket we put them through.