White Privilege - does it exist?

[Saj]

Does it exist?

Have you been on the receiving end of it?

Have you gained from it?

Any examples of it that you have heard about or seen?

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Everything's a 'privilege'... With male being the one that's vogue

 

[KingKhanWC]

Depends where you are.

I would say white privilege is more seen when white tourists travel to places such as India , Africa, Middle East and in the South East. If you are white, you often will be treated with more respect by some people in those lands. A lot of non whites given white people too much respect just because of their skin colour.

 

[Firebat]

Minorities Who 'Whiten' Job Resumes Get More Interviews

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This kind of thing is what I view to be white privilege in the West. Not necessarily systemic, but certainly subconscious.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Everyone is privileged at some aspect in life.

The new woke far left wants everyone to believe that there is systemic racism and white people have extra rights and privileges. Total loser talk and utter nonsense.

 

[rhony]

I saw white racism for the first time in US when Trump was elected but it died down after a year. Didn't see any white privilege. If you abide by the laws, sky is the limit in US irrespective of your color and race.

The only white privilege I saw is in Desis where white skinned people are preferred for arranged marriages etc

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

I actually feel white men are discriminated in today's world. Woke leftist propaganda machine blames white men for everything.

No wonder white men prefer non white women, because all we hear from white women is hate for white men, BLM, feminism, drag race, fat acceptance, comical new genders, pro illegal immigration etc.

I think everyone enjoys a privilege in some part of the world, Asians are often portrayed as victims but they openly hate blacks and consider them inferior. Same could be said for any race. But overall world is a much better place now.

 

[sweep_shot]

There used to be white privilege in the past but not anymore. Definitely not in western countries.

Everyone has equal rights in the west.

 

[Robert]

Does it exist?

Have you been on the receiving end of it?

Have you gained from it?

Any examples of it that you have heard about or seen?

Of course it does. I have benefited from it my whole life, though I only became aware of it recently.

White people in majority white countries get better outcomes at work, in health care, in justice provision.

 

[Robert]

I actually feel white men are discriminated in today's world. Woke leftist propaganda machine blames white men for everything.

No wonder white men prefer non white women, because all we hear from white women is hate for white men, BLM, feminism, drag race, fat acceptance, comical new genders, pro illegal immigration etc.

I think everyone enjoys a privilege in some part of the world, Asians are often portrayed as victims but they openly hate blacks and consider them inferior. Same could be said for any race. But overall world is a much better place now.

No. There is a move to greater equality in opportunity and service provision. The only way this disadvantages white men is that they now have to work harder, as society strives to place non white non males on an equal platform with them. What you call “woke leftist propaganda machine”, I call justice.

I have never heard white women express hate for white men.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Most of the desis who reply on these threads are either immigrants or living in the third world so they have low expectations. For them it is an honour to be a second class citizen in a first world country, and I suppose that's fair enough.Those of us who are born and brought up overseas don't accept inferiority based on skin colour. But multiculturalism is an evolving process, things are much better now than 50 years ago. It's more subtle stuff nowadays, not in your face, like in the movies you watch.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

I have lived in 5 different European countries for periods ranging from 6 months to 2 years, and travelled across 30+ plus countries for tourism. Overall worked with colleagues of almost 15-20+ nationalities.
between 1-3 weeks of stay and travelling around. I am turban wearing Sikh.

1. Racism these days is bit more subtle. Its not in your face as it was may be in the 80s/90s.
2. In my experience, the most racist place I encountered in all my travels was Frankfurt, Germany. Straightway no to brown guys for any entries to the clubs/pubs at multiple places. This was in 2008, way before 2012 and Europes migrant crisis.
3. Best place I found was Spain and Portugal. Warm and welcoming people, will ask about your culture and interact with you and no matter how much late in the night, or how much drunk they are, they are in happy mood and want to enjoy the night out.
4. Unconscious bias is a thing, discovered that first as 20 something old travelling for the first time for work outside of India.
5. Britain was the worst place for a night out, Blokes just want to beat someone up after a few drinks. Had to escape a couple of places before things were about to turn rowdy. Some guys just made snarky comments because I was wearing a Turban in the Club/Disco. Tried to ignore them as much as possible and when things were about to turn rowdy, e.g someone just being threatening just escaped the situation.

Overall, There is a lot of good in the world with a little bad. Gotta take the Good Stuff and ignore the bad one.

 

[Technics 1210]

White privilege is a myth.

Only the black community really complain about white privilege.

Blacks in Amreeka and UK have held, and do hold, the highest office in Politics, Military, Media, Sports, Arts, Finance, you name it.

Case of Liberalism gone mad.

 

[KingKhanWC]

White privilege is a myth.

Only the black community really complain about white privilege.

Blacks in Amreeka and UK have held, and do hold, the highest office in Politics, Military, Media, Sports, Arts, Finance, you name it.

Case of Liberalism gone mad.

I grew up in a big majority white town, all my friends in school were white.

I grew up to live a better life than them.

If you have goals, determination and a brain, it doesn't matter what colour you are in UK. Everyone has setbacks for some reason. This is weak mentality to believe you have failed because others have an advantage, truth is you have failed because you're a kitten...to put it politely.

 

[JaDed]

There is a glass ceiling due to white privilege in majority corporate offices.

Another example is the drug addiction crisis, how it was handled when blacks were victims and how its being handled when whites were victims.

Most problems never become mainstream issues unless it affects white people, that is unfortunately the truth.

Having said the above the reason why White issues take center stage is because English is the language we are well accustomed to due to which English Media esp the western one gets a lot of public coverage as it’s controlled by White people.

 

[Technics 1210]

I grew up in a big majority white town, all my friends in school were white.

I grew up to live a better life than them.

If you have goals, determination and a brain, it doesn't matter what colour you are in UK. Everyone has setbacks for some reason. This is weak mentality to believe you have failed because others have an advantage, truth is you have failed because you're a kitten...to put it politely.

100%.

It is easier to hate than to love, which is why the black community in the USA/UK love to blame racism rather than look in the mirror.

Absence of a father figure in black communities plays an instrumental role in the Blacks failing to progress in society, thus resorting to crime, drug addiction, welfare payments etc.

If the USA/UK was systematically racist due to white privilege existing on the back of social injustices, then right now, Downing Street would not be called Browning Street, and whites would not have voted for Obama, twice. This is just one example.

Liberals just need an excuse to stay relevant.

On another note, the only White Privilege that might exist, is membership of the KKK.

 

[KingKhanWC]

100%.

It is easier to hate than to love, which is why the black community in the USA/UK love to blame racism rather than look in the mirror.

Absence of a father figure in black communities plays an instrumental role in the Blacks failing to progress in society, thus resorting to crime, drug addiction, welfare payments etc.

If the USA/UK was systematically racist due to white privilege existing on the back of social injustices, then right now, Downing Street would not be called Browning Street, and whites would not have voted for Obama, twice. This is just one example.

Liberals just need an excuse to stay relevant.

On another note, the only White Privilege that might exist, is membership of the KKK.

Reminds me I asked a black guy he is he so upset and protesting with this BLM. He came back with all kinds of reasons but when I asked him why he continues to carry his slave name(surname) if he so angry with all this history and injustice to his race, he was in shock I bought it to his attention his own name is not his name but given to his forefathers by slave masters.

BLM was a campaign aimed at ensuring Biden beat Trump so he could plan more wars against blacks, whites, browns whatever his Zionist masters tell him...tell him.. and tell him...again so he doesnt forget.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Most of the desis who reply on these threads are either immigrants or living in the third world so they have low expectations. For them it is an honour to be a second class citizen in a first world country, and I suppose that's fair enough.Those of us who are born and brought up overseas don't accept inferiority based on skin colour. But multiculturalism is an evolving process, things are much better now than 50 years ago. It's more subtle stuff nowadays, not in your face, like in the movies you watch.

Your assumption that we are happy being a second class citizen is wrong. There will be racists from all cultures and races. But they do not have enough clout to suppress your career or growth as a person.

The point is not denying discrimination completely. But the extent to which it is brought up in everything by Black folks and other minority communities. They have a white bogeyman hovering over their head all the time trying to put them down. But they do not realize that its their own culture, victim mentality and lack of willingness to succeed that is stopping them in west.

 

[ElRaja]

not white privilege, network privilege. being white doesn't help if you don't know the right white people, and one quick glance at any major city company shows that Indians are pbly way more over-represented as a percentage of the population than white people.

privilege exists, but it's far more class-based. like rishi said, he doesn't have working-class friends.

also [MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION] whilst there are a lot of people who use movements like BLM for their own gains, there is no doubt black men face very specific issues in the UK, and I've seen and heard people say some shocking stuff behind black peoples backs, and brown ppl tend to be the worst. one of my best mates from childhood is black, and I've seen him go through random stuff all his life for it.

 

[Technics 1210]

not white privilege, network privilege. being white doesn't help if you don't know the right white people, and one quick glance at any major city company shows that Indians are pbly way more over-represented as a percentage of the population than white people.

privilege exists, but it's far more class-based. like rishi said, he doesn't have working-class friends.

also [MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION] whilst there are a lot of people who use movements like BLM for their own gains, there is no doubt black men face very specific issues in the UK, and I've seen and heard people say some shocking stuff behind black peoples backs, and brown ppl tend to be the worst. one of my best mates from childhood is black, and I've seen him go through random stuff all his life for it.

I do not deny for a minute that people talk behind black backs, brown backs, and in our culture behind white backs.

However White privilege is associated with opportunity and the idea that white folk have an opportunity and none whites do not is a complete myth, and the evidence proves this.

 

[ElRaja]

I do not deny for a minute that people talk behind black backs, brown backs, and in our culture behind white backs.

However White privilege is associated with opportunity and the idea that white folk have an opportunity and none whites do not is a complete myth, and the evidence proves this.

ok, fair enough.

certain social groups definitely have more opportunities. and whilst you can work to build your network, some people are fortunate enough to be born into one.

 

[shaz619]

Most of the desis who reply on these threads are either immigrants or living in the third world so they have low expectations. For them it is an honour to be a second class citizen in a first world country, and I suppose that's fair enough.Those of us who are born and brought up overseas don't accept inferiority based on skin colour. But multiculturalism is an evolving process, things are much better now than 50 years ago. It's more subtle stuff nowadays, not in your face, like in the movies you watch.

Or also those who have their own prejudice towards others and are out of touch with reality, very few of these folk have the courage to confront those groups to their faces with their racist rhetoric, perhaps we’d agree with them if they weren’t bigots themselves. I’d certainly agree for us in the UK anyway, there is certainly opportunity and things are much better then they were, but it’s naive to suggest there are no issues, minorities generally can experience similar roadblocks, however this isn’t saying it’s a generalisation where all those who recognise there are issues, will it use it as an excuse not to progress further, that is the view of bigots with a severe identity crisis.

 

[Robert]

not white privilege, network privilege. being white doesn't help if you don't know the right white people, and one quick glance at any major city company shows that Indians are pbly way more over-represented as a percentage of the population than white people.

privilege exists, but it's far more class-based. like rishi said, he doesn't have working-class friends.

also [MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION] whilst there are a lot of people who use movements like BLM for their own gains, there is no doubt black men face very specific issues in the UK, and I've seen and heard people say some shocking stuff behind black peoples backs, and brown ppl tend to be the worst. one of my best mates from childhood is black, and I've seen him go through random stuff all his life for it.

Perhaps so, class is an issue though race and class are connected.

How many times have we heard “brown = terrorist, black = thug, white = mentally ill”?

That is white privilege.

 

[ElRaja]

Perhaps so, class is an issue though race and class are connected.

How many times have we heard “brown = terrorist, black = thug, white = mentally ill”?

That is white privilege.

i grew up reading britpaks were terrorists, honour killers, groomers, pedophiles, in the mid 00s and early 10s. they printed that stuff cos it had a market to be read. but it didn't impact my ability to do ok in academics and work, cos i never internalised it.

if your mentally strong u can take a step back and understand the relationship between the supply and demand of that perceived privilege, unfortunately, we live in a society now where u are told it is wrong to not act on your emotional impulse to the offence you must feel.

that kind of privilege you can mitigate through your own hard work, being born to rich parents who know all the right people to get you where you want to go, is the roll of the dice that results in material different outcomes that those from the have nots cannot mitigate.

its late so i might sound rambly. but what im saying is the economic privilege of the class system is more material than the wedges MSM tries to drive amongst most people from similar economic backgrounds.

 

[KingKhanWC]

i grew up reading britpaks were terrorists, honour killers, groomers, pedophiles, in the mid 00s and early 10s. they printed that stuff cos it had a market to be read. but it didn't impact my ability to do ok in academics and work, cos i never internalised it.

if your mentally strong u can take a step back and understand the relationship between the supply and demand of that perceived privilege, unfortunately, we live in a society now where u are told it is wrong to not act on your emotional impulse to the offence you must feel.

that kind of privilege you can mitigate through your own hard work, being born to rich parents who know all the right people to get you where you want to go, is the roll of the dice that results in material different outcomes that those from the have nots cannot mitigate.

its late so i might sound rambly. but what im saying is the economic privilege of the class system is more material than the wedges MSM tries to drive amongst most people from similar economic backgrounds.

Western Media is owned by Zionists, they have their own agenda to demonise Muslims so their lapdogs UK and US can bomb, invade , terrorise with economy and the people will not bat an eyelid.

If there is privilege in the world for any people, its Jewish privilege. Say anything about a Muslim, Black or Arab but anything negative towards Jews or Israel and you're evil, a racist etc. No people in history have had this sort of privilage.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

In every country a majority has privilege. So in a country like US, where society has been divided on race, the largest racial majority (white people) has privilege.

In Pakistan Muslims have privilege. In India Hindus have privilege. In China the Han Chinese have privilege.

You will never completely remove the majority's privileged status, however to make any improvement in the life of the minority you need to recognize that the privilege's exists. Pakistan did a good thing of giving its minorities quotas in jobs, parliament, universities, etc.

By not recognizing majority privilege you end up in situations where the majority believes itself to be the victim, and that they are in danger from the minority. You can see this among white nationalist in US, and Hindu Nationalist in India. Overwhelming majority, yet they are worried the minorities will take over.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I actually feel white men are discriminated in today's world. Woke leftist propaganda machine blames white men for everything.

No wonder white men prefer non white women, because all we hear from white women is hate for white men, BLM, feminism, drag race, fat acceptance, comical new genders, pro illegal immigration etc.

I think everyone enjoys a privilege in some part of the world, Asians are often portrayed as victims but they openly hate blacks and consider them inferior. Same could be said for any race. But overall world is a much better place now.

Do they? I think majority of white men prefer white women. And vice versa.

I actually feel white men are discriminated in today's world. Woke leftist propaganda machine blames white men for everything.

That "woke" propaganda is done by white liberals who want minorities to block vote for them.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Most of the desis who reply on these threads are either immigrants or living in the third world so they have low expectations. For them it is an honour to be a second class citizen in a first world country, and I suppose that's fair enough.Those of us who are born and brought up overseas don't accept inferiority based on skin colour. But multiculturalism is an evolving process, things are much better now than 50 years ago. It's more subtle stuff nowadays, not in your face, like in the movies you watch.

Well said. It makes a huge difference if you grow up in the country, vs the people who are fob. This must be heaven to them, and since they discriminate against people in their own country, discrimination in the west does not really bother them. Especially since the biggest victims are Black people.

 

[PakLFC]

No I have ever felt whites being given priority in the west. The numbers of coloured people entering this country suggests white people will become a minority in a few years. The guilt of western imperialism means coloured people aren't going anywhere even if they are not working there are so many benefits available.

 

[Robert]

i grew up reading britpaks were terrorists, honour killers, groomers, pedophiles, in the mid 00s and early 10s. they printed that stuff cos it had a market to be read. but it didn't impact my ability to do ok in academics and work, cos i never internalised it.

if your mentally strong u can take a step back and understand the relationship between the supply and demand of that perceived privilege, unfortunately, we live in a society now where u are told it is wrong to not act on your emotional impulse to the offence you must feel.

that kind of privilege you can mitigate through your own hard work, being born to rich parents who know all the right people to get you where you want to go, is the roll of the dice that results in material different outcomes that those from the have nots cannot mitigate.

its late so i might sound rambly. but what im saying is the economic privilege of the class system is more material than the wedges MSM tries to drive amongst most people from similar economic backgrounds.

Makes sense. Social class is the biggest predictor of success, as the moneyed classes have access to the best schools and the social networks.

The writer Akala is fascinating on this.

 

[Robert]

Do they? I think majority of white men prefer white women. And vice versa.

That "woke" propaganda is done by white liberals who want minorities to block vote for them.

Disagree - the term ‘woke’ was coined by an American black radical.

In the UK it has entered the culture war being fought by the current Tory government and their media allies, to make working class whites feel something is being taken away from them.

 

[Technics 1210]

In every country a majority has privilege. So in a country like US, where society has been divided on race, the largest racial majority (white people) has privilege.

In Pakistan Muslims have privilege. In India Hindus have privilege. In China the Han Chinese have privilege.

You will never completely remove the majority's privileged status, however to make any improvement in the life of the minority you need to recognize that the privilege's exists. Pakistan did a good thing of giving its minorities quotas in jobs, parliament, universities, etc.

By not recognizing majority privilege you end up in situations where the majority believes itself to be the victim, and that they are in danger from the minority. You can see this among white nationalist in US, and Hindu Nationalist in India. Overwhelming majority, yet they are worried the minorities will take over.

To remove any sort of privilege, equality must exist. UK has some of the best equality laws, from race, religion, sex, age etc - there's no privilege in the UK other than being born into money.

 

[James]

In the UK it has entered the culture war being fought by the current Tory government and their media allies, to make working class whites feel something is being taken away from them.

The last part of this post reads as a bit minimising IMO. Working class white people are not an appropriate target for such a comment. They are indeed an underprivileged, a forgotten and an unjustly socially reviled group of people who do require significant support — particularly the young men within this group — and they should not be sacrificed because of their ethnicity.

 

[Robert]

The last part of this post reads as a bit minimising IMO. Working class white people are not an appropriate target for such a comment. They are indeed an underprivileged, a forgotten and an unjustly socially reviled group of people who do require significant support — particularly the young men within this group — and they should not be sacrificed because of their ethnicity.

Working class whites - from whom I came, remember - are not the target of my comment. The current Tories are the target, stoking the culture war and manipulating the people you describe to stay in power, while wrapping themselves in the flag and cutting services, robbing blind the people who need those services the most.

 

[silentkiller187]

Never thought much of it until i experianced what i can only term as white privelage in my last job.I worked for a well renowned department store in london, worked my way up to team leader and had enough job knowledge and experiance to move up into a mangement role. Everytime a role came up i was told i wasnt suitable.

The company offered a management programme which was pretty much a ticket to a management position on 2 different occassions i was told i was not suitable for this as the programme had a presentation at the end which you had to to in front of the board of directors, and my manager was unsure if i could "handle it". All the while i i saw young white blonde blue eyed employees come in from rich middle/upper class families and were pushed forward for roles because they fit the bill, even though they had no knowledge or experiance of how things worked.

Things are getting much better however from my experiance and especially in the workplace not sure if its my new company or what but a lot more concious efforts are made to include people from all walks of life.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Never thought much of it until i experianced what i can only term as white privelage in my last job.I worked for a well renowned department store in london, worked my way up to team leader and had enough job knowledge and experiance to move up into a mangement role. Everytime a role came up i was told i wasnt suitable.

The company offered a management programme which was pretty much a ticket to a management position on 2 different occassions i was told i was not suitable for this as the programme had a presentation at the end which you had to to in front of the board of directors, and my manager was unsure if i could "handle it". All the while i i saw young white blonde blue eyed employees come in from rich middle/upper class families and were pushed forward for roles because they fit the bill, even though they had no knowledge or experiance of how things worked.

Things are getting much better however from my experiance and especially in the workplace not sure if its my new company or what but a lot more concious efforts are made to include people from all walks of life.

Its called partiality. Preferring your own kind happens in all cultures. Religion, race, language, tribe all play a part in it.
If your talents are not getting recognized in an organization, then its time to jump the ship.

Where I work, we had a layoff. Out of 8 people in my department, 4 were white, 3 black and I was the South Asian. All 4 white people were laid off. There could be a case made for racism. But nothing happened.

 

[gani999]

Do they? I think majority of white men prefer white women. And vice versa.



That "woke" propaganda is done by white liberals who want minorities to block vote for them.

Now a lot of companies are into featuring 'woke' advertisements for their products. If the advertisement features a couple, it's always a black man with a white woman. It's never the other way around, a white or black couple, or even a gay/lesbian couple. The idea is that if a man and woman decide to become a couple, it amounts to the man 'conquering' the woman. And with a black man and a white woman....you can figure out the rest.

Shows you that these 'woke' a**holes are not just racist, but also misogynist, sexist and homophobic. And they have the cheek to call themselves 'politically correct'.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Now a lot of companies are into featuring 'woke' advertisements for their products. If the advertisement features a couple, it's always a black man with a white woman. It's never the other way around, a white or black couple, or even a gay/lesbian couple. The idea is that if a man and woman decide to become a couple, it amounts to the man 'conquering' the woman. And with a black man and a white woman....you can figure out the rest.

Shows you that these 'woke' a**holes are not just racist, but also misogynist, sexist and homophobic. And they have the cheek to call themselves 'politically correct'.

There's loads of adverts featuring black women and white men. Maybe you are just not seeing them because you have other thoughts blocking them from view.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Your assumption that we are happy being a second class citizen is wrong. There will be racists from all cultures and races. But they do not have enough clout to suppress your career or growth as a person.

The point is not denying discrimination completely. But the extent to which it is brought up in everything by Black folks and other minority communities. They have a white bogeyman hovering over their head all the time trying to put them down. But they do not realize that its their own culture, victim mentality and lack of willingness to succeed that is stopping them in west.

Nope, plenty of non-whites have made it to the very top, but that doesn't mean they have to take casual or subtle racism lying down. Like I said, this isn't something I expect the immigrant to understand, and I don't think you should either. You are still a foreigner at the end of the day, and you can't relate like the native born will. Neither should you, that would be your next generation with those expectations.

 

[silentkiller187]

Its called partiality. Preferring your own kind happens in all cultures. Religion, race, language, tribe all play a part in it.
If your talents are not getting recognized in an organization, then its time to jump the ship.

Where I work, we had a layoff. Out of 8 people in my department, 4 were white, 3 black and I was the South Asian. All 4 white people were laid off. There could be a case made for racism. But nothing happened.

What would you term "own kind" in this instance? white person? and them receiving a privilege cos they are of "own kind"

I am British born , the colour of my skin should not determine whether i get treated the same as another Brit who may be white.

 

[Saj]

The work environment is an interesting one.

A friend of mine has been a HR manager for several companies over the years and he always talks about how people of colour are dealt with compared to their white counterparts when it comes to promotion, being made permanent when they are agency or fixed term staff.

 

[Saj]

I remember being at an airport in the UK a few years ago and there was an Asian lady in the queue to check in. She was elderly, had young kids with her and looked stressed.

A group of 4 English folk walked past, 2 men and 2 women and I heard one of the men say let's join ahead of that old P**i.

To my shock they pushed ahead of her in the queue with the lady being too scared to say anything to them.

Lots of people saw what was happening but nobody said anything.

I was fuming and went up to them and said we are all waiting in line and you should too and pointed to where the back of the queue was.

The look on their faces was priceless, it was as if how dare he say that to us. Anyway they soon realised I meant what I was saying and wasn't going anywhere.

After a minute or so they shook their heads, mumbled something and walked to the back of the line.

 

[ElRaja]

the last year or two, inflation and the erosion of peoples real wages, has done more to increase the benefit that privilege will bring in the future than any work done to address the supposed unfairness of white priveledge could undo.

despite all the wokery we are sleep walking into a fundamentally virtually irreversably stratified society, if the middle classes, regardless of their colour, are destroyed.

 

[Abstraction1]

I remember being at an airport in the UK a few years ago and there was an Asian lady in the queue to check in. She was elderly, had young kids with her and looked stressed.

A group of 4 English folk walked past, 2 men and 2 women and I heard one of the men say let's join ahead of that old P**i.

To my shock they pushed ahead of her in the queue with the lady being too scared to say anything to them.

Lots of people saw what was happening but nobody said anything.

I was fuming and went up to them and said we are all waiting in line and you should too and pointed to where the back of the queue was.

The look on their faces was priceless, it was as if how dare he say that to us. Anyway they soon realised I meant what I was saying and wasn't going anywhere.

After a minute or so they shook their heads, mumbled something and walked to the back of the line.

Well played mate. It's always good seeing people step up for those in need.

I always think social media and comment sections are good barometers of what people really feel. It's usually misogyny and racism

 

[Champ_Pal]

Nope, plenty of non-whites have made it to the very top, but that doesn't mean they have to take casual or subtle racism lying down. Like I said, this isn't something I expect the immigrant to understand, and I don't think you should either. You are still a foreigner at the end of the day, and you can't relate like the native born will. Neither should you, that would be your next generation with those expectations.

The casual racism is not going to go away anytime soon. White people have certain opinions on us just as we have on them. But that is not going to stop me or the white person to achieve what they want in west.
I will never be like a native born American in US. But this country has given me enough which I would have never achieved if I was in India. I am not going to whine about the casual racism (I have never experienced it much) for my shortcomings.

Bottom line is, USA is the best country in the world and gives everyone the best opportunity to start a new life. It has its own problems. But it is still by far the best ever.

 

[ElRaja]

I always think social media and comment sections are good barometers of what people really feel. It's usually misogyny and racism

id say its the worst place, the people most likely to comment and be active on social media are likely those who have a problem, or motivation to do so, regular folk going about their lives rarely have time to be internet warriors.

very rarely will u encounter ppl with views as partisan and polarised on many websites, including this one, in real life. this is my personal experience.

 

[Robert]

Bottom line is, USA is the best country in the world and gives everyone the best opportunity to start a new life. It has its own problems. But it is still by far the best ever.

Not the best ever in infant mortality.
Or life expectancy,
Or education.
Or crime.

I wouldn’t want to live there.

I’s say Norway, Sweden or Australia are the best countries to live in.

 

[Robert]

I remember being at an airport in the UK a few years ago and there was an Asian lady in the queue to check in. She was elderly, had young kids with her and looked stressed.

A group of 4 English folk walked past, 2 men and 2 women and I heard one of the men say let's join ahead of that old P**i.

To my shock they pushed ahead of her in the queue with the lady being too scared to say anything to them.

Lots of people saw what was happening but nobody said anything.

I was fuming and went up to them and said we are all waiting in line and you should too and pointed to where the back of the queue was.

The look on their faces was priceless, it was as if how dare he say that to us. Anyway they soon realised I meant what I was saying and wasn't going anywhere.

After a minute or so they shook their heads, mumbled something and walked to the back of the line.

Good man yerself [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] !

 

[Champ_Pal]

Not the best ever in infant mortality.
Or life expectancy,
Or education.
Or crime.

I wouldn’t want to live there.

I’s say Norway, Sweden or Australia are the best countries to live in.

A lion is the fastest or strongest or the most athletic animal. But it is still the king of the Savannah.

The Norways and Swedens of the world will run to USA if they are ever attacked by say Russia. Their armies cannot defend themselves or their civilians.

 

[Robert]

A lion is the fastest or strongest or the most athletic animal. But it is still the king of the Savannah.

The Norways and Swedens of the world will run to USA if they are ever attacked by say Russia. Their armies cannot defend themselves or their civilians.

So your definition of best is “strongest”, not most peaceful, or best educated, or most just, or healthiest.

(Norway is key to NATO’s northern defence and intercepts 600 Russian air incursions per year. Sweden builds very advanced warplanes and armoured vehicles. Given that Russia has got bogged down against the flat and poorly equipped Ukraine I sincerely doubt that they would tangle with well equipped nations in mountainous terrain, especially considering that NATO would immediately pile in to support Norway and probably Sweden too.)

 

[Technics 1210]

Liberals with their false comparisons again. Norway has about 6 Million population vs USA, 330 Million.

It stands to reason, where the population is less, standard of living is higher, simply cos there's less of them!

 

[Junaids]

Liberals with their false comparisons again. Norway has about 6 Million population vs USA, 330 Million.

It stands to reason, where the population is less, standard of living is higher, simply cos there's less of them!

What? Are you serious?

The UK has 66 million people and an economy the same size as India shares between 1,400 million people. But Spain with a population 30% smaller is POORER than the UK.

Australia has 25 million people and an economy the same size as Russia shares between 140 million people. But New Zealand with a population 80% smaller than Australia is POORER than Australia.

A country's standard of living is a factor of its wealth, but also its priorities for spending and taxation.

The US government spends more on the armed forces per capita than European countries. But it taxes the rich much less, and spends far less per capita on health, education and a social safety net, so it trails western Europe on almost every indicator for quality of life.

Almost nobody emigrates to the USA from countries like Australia or the UK or Germany or France or from Scandinavia, because they already enjoy a superior quality of life where they are.

 

[Technics 1210]

What? Are you serious?

The UK has 66 million people and an economy the same size as India shares between 1,400 million people. But Spain with a population 30% smaller is POORER than the UK.

Australia has 25 million people and an economy the same size as Russia shares between 140 million people. But New Zealand with a population 80% smaller than Australia is POORER than Australia.

A country's standard of living is a factor of its wealth, but also its priorities for spending and taxation.

The US government spends more on the armed forces per capita than European countries. But it taxes the rich much less, and spends far less per capita on health, education and a social safety net, so it trails western Europe on almost every indicator for quality of life.

Almost nobody emigrates to the USA from countries like Australia or the UK or Germany or France or from Scandinavia, because they already enjoy a superior quality of life where they are.

You have missed the point completely but please do continue to ramble on with your meaningless comparisons/stats as you do.

 

[JaDed]

the last year or two, inflation and the erosion of peoples real wages, has done more to increase the benefit that privilege will bring in the future than any work done to address the supposed unfairness of white priveledge could undo.

despite all the wokery we are sleep walking into a fundamentally virtually irreversably stratified society, if the middle classes, regardless of their colour, are destroyed.

Top post and well said, scary times ahead. Inequality rising as usual.

 

[JaDed]

Not the best ever in infant mortality.
Or life expectancy,
Or education.
Or crime.

I wouldn’t want to live there.

I’s say Norway, Sweden or Australia are the best countries to live in.

How Diverse is Norway? American society is a melting point, one can be an Indian American, but i haven’t heard of terms like Norwegian Indian, German Indian etc, not saying they should be welcoming or that other nationalities should be imposed on them but as an immigrant myself I would definitely not choose Europe.

Canada and US are way more welcoming.

 

[Robert]

How Diverse is Norway? American society is a melting point, one can be an Indian American, but i haven’t heard of terms like Norwegian Indian, German Indian etc, not saying they should be welcoming or that other nationalities should be imposed on them but as an immigrant myself I would definitely not choose Europe.

Canada and US are way more welcoming.

This is an American myth. Every Western democracy is a melting pot. USA still has a form of slavery, under the 13th Amendment. The GOP has been hollowed out by what I can only describe as crazy people. I wouldn’t want to live there now.

I would prefer Canada to USA as it is more European politically and has socialised health care, with a much lower murder rate. Though I couldn’t tolerate the winters.

From Wiki:

“In the last decades, Norway has become home to increasing numbers of immigrants, foreign workers, and asylum-seekers from various parts of the world. Norway had a steady influx of immigrants from South Asia (mostly Pakistanis and Sri Lankans), East Asia (mainly Chinese), and Southeast Asia/Pacific Islands (e.g. Filipinos), Eastern Europe (e.g. Russians) and Central Europe (e.g. Poles), Southern Europe (Greeks, Albanians and people from former Yugoslavia, Bosniaks, Serbs etc.), and Middle East countries (especially Iraqis and Kurdish Iranians), as well as Somalis, Turks, Moroccans, and some Latin Americans. After ten Eastern European and Baltic countries joined the EU in 2004, there has also been a substantial influx of people from Poland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.”

Scandinavia strikes me as my optimum society. High taxation, excellent public services, strong social cohesion, collective pay bargaining, high degrees of personal liberty.

 

[Saj]

Here's another one.

The looks you get when you live in/visit an affluent area where there are hardly any people of colour living there.

It's almost like, how dare you be around here.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Here's another one.

The looks you get when you live in/visit an affluent area where there are hardly any people of colour living there.

It's almost like, how dare you be around here.

Its disgusting bro. No matter how many times over the years it happens, you always feel really annoyed, disgusted.

You're a very laid back fella but I would go ask is there anything I can help you with?

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Here's another one.

The looks you get when you live in/visit an affluent area where there are hardly any people of colour living there.

It's almost like, how dare you be around here.

Isn't that just 'otherness'?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The casual racism is not going to go away anytime soon. White people have certain opinions on us just as we have on them. But that is not going to stop me or the white person to achieve what they want in west.
I will never be like a native born American in US. But this country has given me enough which I would have never achieved if I was in India. I am not going to whine about the casual racism (I have never experienced it much) for my shortcomings.

Bottom line is, USA is the best country in the world and gives everyone the best opportunity to start a new life. It has its own problems. But it is still by far the best ever.

As I said, you are an immigrant, and it is perfectly understandable that you are grateful to accept second class citizenship because it is still a better life than you could live in India. I am not arguing you are wrong. I just said your next generation (assuming you are heterosexual and have kids) will have a different view. They will see themselves as Americans and for them they will want the same rights and have the same expectations as white Americans. Or at least they would if they were of Pakistani descent, I suppose I can't really speak for Hindus as their culture may be different.

 

[Champ_Pal]

As I said, you are an immigrant, and it is perfectly understandable that you are grateful to accept second class citizenship because it is still a better life than you could live in India. I am not arguing you are wrong. I just said your next generation (assuming you are heterosexual and have kids) will have a different view. They will see themselves as Americans and for them they will want the same rights and have the same expectations as white Americans. Or at least they would if they were of Pakistani descent, I suppose I can't really speak for Hindus as their culture may be different.

I am not a second class citizen. I have every right and opportunity as a white man or black man in US of A. I am not a victim of any discrimination or jokes. Everyone gets discriminated at some level. But it will not or never change the outcome for me unless I allow it.

May be you are discriminated badly in England to feel bitter about being a second class citizen. Not everyone experiences life the same way.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I am not a second class citizen. I have every right and opportunity as a white man or black man in US of A. I am not a victim of any discrimination or jokes. Everyone gets discriminated at some level. But it will not or never change the outcome for me unless I allow it.

May be you are discriminated badly in England to feel bitter about being a second class citizen. Not everyone experiences life the same way.

Just because you are not going to let it stop you as an individual doesn't mean it's not there. This is exactly what a second class citizen would say if he or she was an immigrant from a third world country. We have immigrants from Syria and Ethiopia risking their lives by crossing the seas in a dinghy, don't you think they can argue nothing is going to stop them either? Does that make them first class citizens when they eventually land here?

 

[sweep_shot]

I am in Canada for 17 years. I have experienced direct racism 4-5 times and indirect/casual racism many more times.

But, it never really bothered me. I have better things to do rather than going after these fatty racists. I live in multicultural Toronto and if they cross any line, I can always get them in trouble.

Having said that, racism is not just a white thing. There is racism among blacks, Chinese, and desi people too. I remember a Jamaican lady was once complaining how there are too many Chinese people in Jamaica.

 

[RajBan]

It's so interesting to see Indians, Pakistanis , Bangladeshis expressing concern about racism in West. I wish they themselves could have set better examples when it comes to caste, religion , language in their own countries.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Just because you are not going to let it stop you as an individual doesn't mean it's not there. This is exactly what a second class citizen would say if he or she was an immigrant from a third world country. We have immigrants from Syria and Ethiopia risking their lives by crossing the seas in a dinghy, don't you think they can argue nothing is going to stop them either? Does that make them first class citizens when they eventually land here?

I did not jump on a dingy boat to immigrate to USA. I took the legal channel and I was armed with very good education to succeed once I landed.
People who migrate legally rarely face any major hurdle to achieve their goals. Anyone who cannot speak a word of English and who are not educated enough will face major challenges. These are the ones that take illegal channels. Rightfully they do not get any respect neither from authorities nor the people.

 

[Robert]

I did not jump on a dingy boat to immigrate to USA. I took the legal channel and I was armed with very good education to succeed once I landed.
People who migrate legally rarely face any major hurdle to achieve their goals. Anyone who cannot speak a word of English and who are not educated enough will face major challenges. These are the ones that take illegal channels. Rightfully they do not get any respect neither from authorities nor the people.

Some refugees are doctors and lawyers fleeing persecution, unable to leave their county of origin or enter the West under normal channels.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Some refugees are doctors and lawyers fleeing persecution, unable to leave their county of origin or enter the West under normal channels.

Some may be doctors and lawyers. They will eventually make it in the West though they may face initial difficulties. Overwhelming majority are poor, illiterate or barely have any skills to make a living. They are there just for free stuff.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I did not jump on a dingy boat to immigrate to USA. I took the legal channel and I was armed with very good education to succeed once I landed.
People who migrate legally rarely face any major hurdle to achieve their goals. Anyone who cannot speak a word of English and who are not educated enough will face major challenges. These are the ones that take illegal channels. Rightfully they do not get any respect neither from authorities nor the people.

But you are missing the point still. Even though you are legal immigrant, doesn't mean that racism isn't there, just that as an immigrant it's not your concern, your first and only objective is making a good life in the first world having lived a poor quality one in the third world. Legal or illegal, the objective is the same and the lack of care about racism is likewise. If you have kids born in the west, they will think differently, they will think same as native westerners and thus fight against racism. Do you disagree?

 

[Champ_Pal]

But you are missing the point still. Even though you are legal immigrant, doesn't mean that racism isn't there, just that as an immigrant it's not your concern, your first and only objective is making a good life in the first world having lived a poor quality one in the third world. Legal or illegal, the objective is the same and the lack of care about racism is likewise. If you have kids born in the west, they will think differently, they will think same as native westerners and thus fight against racism. Do you disagree?

People make fun of old, fat, bald, thin, homosexuals.... Basically anyone that looks different or deviate from what is considered normal in that society. I did not live in USA back in 60's or 70's to know how bad the racism was.
I moved to USA more than 20 years ago and in my experience, the racism thing is extremely overblown. I did encounter a few racists who yell something from their car and sped away. I can say that 99.99% of people are respectful. No one is holding down anyone here from succeeding.
I have 2 kids going to school and they never complained anything to me. Whites are a minority in most schools where I live.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

People make fun of old, fat, bald, thin, homosexuals.... Basically anyone that looks different or deviate from what is considered normal in that society. I did not live in USA back in 60's or 70's to know how bad the racism was.
I moved to USA more than 20 years ago and in my experience, the racism thing is extremely overblown. I did encounter a few racists who yell something from their car and sped away. I can say that 99.99% of people are respectful. No one is holding down anyone here from succeeding.
I have 2 kids going to school and they never complained anything to me. Whites are a minority in most schools where I live.

EXactly. You weren't around in the 60's and 70's when terms like racism were first coined. You don't encounter much racism precisely because people were prepared to fight for their rights so people like you could go to the USA and enjoy the rights that you do now. I am guessing you live in a largely ethnic community much like Bradford or Southall in the UK if your kids schools are mostly non-white. Maybe if you were based in New Hampshire or Idaho you might be able to provide a more direct experience on this subject.

 

[Robert]

Some may be doctors and lawyers. They will eventually make it in the West though they may face initial difficulties. Overwhelming majority are poor, illiterate or barely have any skills to make a living. They are there just for free stuff.

Hmm, ones who speak English come here. If they speak other languages they enter other EU nations under the Dublin agreement.

 

[Robert]

I moved to USA more than 20 years ago and in my experience, the racism thing is extremely overblown. I did encounter a few racists who yell something from their car and sped away. I can say that 99.99% of people are respectful. No one is holding down anyone here from succeeding.

The problem with USA is the vast disparity in justice provision, health provision, education provision based on race. So yes, the establishment does hold blacks and Hispanics down.

It is getting worse. Since the nineties they have effectively brought slavery back as per the 19th Amendment.

 

[Saj]

Here's one that a friend of mine told me about.

He and his family went to buy some ice creams.

After ordering he was told rudely to wait outside as he was blocking other customers from ordering. Note there was nobody else in the shop.

He said he would wait inside as he wasn't blocking anyone.

To this the staff started to get mouthy with him and his family and threatened to call the police.

He stayed put, didn't move and said he was going nowhere and said no problem call the police. They didn't call the police.

Then he noticed he had been overcharged and brought this up with the staff. The staff were giving different excuses for the extra charges. Then suddenly one of the staff started accusing him of swearing, which was totally false.

Other customers came in while he was waiting who were white and the staff were very polite with them.

He couldn't wait to get out of that shop and has vowed to never go to the shop again.

 

[sweep_shot]

Here's one that a friend of mine told me about.

He and his family went to buy some ice creams.

After ordering he was told rudely to wait outside as he was blocking other customers from ordering. Note there was nobody else in the shop.

He said he would wait inside as he wasn't blocking anyone.

To this the staff started to get mouthy with him and his family and threatened to call the police.

He stayed put, didn't move and said he was going nowhere and said no problem call the police. They didn't call the police.

Then he noticed he had been overcharged and brought this up with the staff. The staff were giving different excuses for the extra charges. Then suddenly one of the staff started accusing him of swearing, which was totally false.

Other customers came in while he was waiting who were white and the staff were very polite with them.

He couldn't wait to get out of that shop and has vowed to never go to the shop again.

Wow! This is definitely not acceptable.

I think he should write about this experience on social media. Give them bad reviews and stuffs.

 

[ghaint]

Privilege exists - white in white dominated areas, black in black dominated areas, Jatt large names in punjab. What can you do - I guess just know what you are up against

 

[The_KING]

There is privilege of all kinds, it just depends on where you live. But it seems like liberals only have a problem with white privilege.

 

[SalimBhai]

There is definitely Punjabi privilege in Pakistan. Sunni privilege also .

 

[Robert]

There is privilege of all kinds, it just depends on where you live. But it seems like liberals only have a problem with white privilege.

Well aren’t they correct to? Isn’t discrimination on the grounds if race bad? Everyone should have a problem with it.

I do, and I benefit from it.

 

[The_KING]

Well aren’t they correct to? Isn’t discrimination on the grounds if race bad? Everyone should have a problem with it.

I do, and I benefit from it.

Of course discrimination based on the race is bad.

But I believe people use racism and discrimination as a tool to hate on white folks.

 

[Robert]

Of course discrimination based on the race is bad.

But I believe people use racism and discrimination as a tool to hate on white folks.

Well, I haven’t noticed.

British POC often hold anger about colonialism and the Iraq War and so on which I think is justified, but it is directed at the establishment and not personally at me or mine.

I’ve faced discrimination from other socioethnic groups of white people, mind.