Who had greater impact for their teams - Sachin Tendulkar or Javed Miandad?

[chazam]

I don’t need to explain both the names as they were world class batsmen... both debuted in their teenage years and made immediate impact.. overall whom do ppers think had more impact for their respective teams.

 

[Junaids]

Kohli!

Both Tendulkar and Miandad were surrounded by world class batsmen, whereas Kohli is not.

 

[MP2011]

I don’t need to explain both the names as they were world class batsmen... both debuted in their teenage years and made immediate impact.. overall whom do ppers think had more impact for their respective teams.

Can't speak about Miandad as didn't follow him much.

But Tendulkar has had most profound effect on Indian batsmanship. Almost all Indian bats have looked up to him or benefited from his guidance.

Earlier it was Sunny. But he retired immediately after first proper cricket carnival was held in India in which several high pressure LIVE games were beamed on Indian TV. So he didn't get much of a chance to leave greater impact on budding Indian batting talent.

But Tendulkar! Boy! What a profound effect he has had on Indian cricket in general and Indian batting in particular....

 

[chazam]

Kohli!

Both Tendulkar and Miandad were surrounded by world class batsmen, whereas Kohli is not.

In ODI what about Rohit and Dhawan
In tests what about Pujara ...though I agree Sachin had Dravid Ganguly Sehwag and vvs for some years

 

[Ab Fan]

Tendulkar IMO and I have very strong reasons for it.

Back when Tendulkar debuted, we were a very weak team and used to be punching boys for other teams due to very weak pace attack and in batting also, we only had a couple of decent batters.

Tendulkar created a long lasting legacy in Indian cricketing culture which is still going strong and helped us produce a number of high quality batters who look forward to SRT as their idol and inspiration.

When Tendulkar debuted, Pakistan were strong team while India was a lesser mid tier team. But when Tendulkar retired, the whole complexion of the two cricketing country changed. India were not just a top team but started emerging as a force to reckon while Pakistan back from Wasim and Waqar days had to rely their shoulders upon Mis-You to carry the test team and on Misbah and Sarfaraz for the one-day team.

What happened in Miandad era was great. Ensuring that a strong Pakistan team continues dominating the chart of the best Asian side, while what happened across the Tendulkar era is absolutely legendary. He completely changed the complexion of the team and transformed a mid tier Indian side to a dominant team. It's the legacy which you left behind is what matters.

 

[MP2011]

though I agree Sachin had Dravid Ganguly Sehwag and vvs for some years

Dravid, Ganguly & VVS - All made debuts in '96.
Sehwag - Can into his own in '00s.

 

[chazam]

Tendulkar IMO and I have very strong reasons for it.

Back when Tendulkar debuted, we were a very weak team and used to be punching boys for other teams due to very weak pace attack and in batting also, we only had a couple of decent batters.

Tendulkar created a long lasting legacy in Indian cricketing culture which is still going strong and helped us produce a number of high quality batters who look forward to SRT as their idol and inspiration.

When Tendulkar debuted, Pakistan were strong team while India was a lesser mid tier team. But when Tendulkar retired, the whole complexion of the two cricketing country changed. India were not just a top team but started emerging as a force to reckon while Pakistan back from Wasim and Waqar days had to rely their shoulders upon Mis-You to carry the test team and on Misbah and Sarfaraz for the one-day team.

What happened in Miandad era was great. Ensuring that a strong Pakistan team continues dominating the chart of the best Asian side, while what happened across the Tendulkar era is absolutely legendary. He completely changed the complexion of the team and transformed a mid tier Indian side to a dominant team. It's the legacy which you left behind is what matters.

Well written.
Do you think Kohli and Babar can leave the same legacy?

 

[Ab Fan]

Well written.
Do you think Kohli and Babar can leave the same legacy?

Kohli has taken forward the legacy which Tendulkar created in the best way possible and has made India a dominant force in world cricket which is why India are always seen as favourites or one of the favourites in any major ICC tournament and has been the no.1 ranked test team from the last five years as well.

Babar is an excellent player and can leave a long lasting legacy similar to Tendulkar but for that to happen a lot of factors including Babar himself has to work for Pakistan. He can rejuvenate Pakistan's cricket and create a legacy which other youngsters can look forward to but for that to happen, not only he has to score runs on consistent basis but also set high batting standards in the Pakistan setup and take on the world's best bowler in every way he can like he did to Dale Steyn but that was just a shorter glimpse.

 

[Revolution]

These type of comparisons only happen with obsessed people.

Sachin is all time cricketer and brought mass crowd all over world to the Stadium.

Sachin created crowd for cricket.

No comparison to master.

 

[MenInG]

These type of comparisons only happen with obsessed people.

Sachin is all time cricketer and brought mass crowd all over world to the Stadium.

Sachin created crowd for cricket.

No comparison to master.

And you think Miandad is not respected in Pakistan? Think Sharjah six.

 

[chazam]

These type of comparisons only happen with obsessed people.

Sachin is all time cricketer and brought mass crowd all over world to the Stadium.

Sachin created crowd for cricket.

No comparison to master.

Hey man I am half Indian and half Pakistani but I appreciate good cricket and cricketers.. obsession is about cricket. Off course you discuss and compare else defeats the purpose of being on a forum right?

 

[RajBan]

In ODI what about Rohit and Dhawan
In tests what about Pujara ...though I agree Sachin had Dravid Ganguly Sehwag and vvs for some years

Dhawan has been a very good player. But he is nowhere near to world class.

 

[RajBan]

Different types of players, different characters as well. Tendulkar opened a lot, Miandad was playing more in the middle order. They were not contemporaries.Not sure we can compare Tendulkar and Miandad.

Just a question. Whom does general Pakistani cricket fans rate more. - Miandad or Inzamam?

 

[Hyperion66]

Miandad is an ATG in his own right but in terms of impact and influence Imran Khan is the only one comparable to Sachin.

 

[Mamoon]

Tendulkar is the most influential cricketer in history. Only Kohli comes close.

 

[Indiafan]

Tendulkar's impact and legacy is still seen in the team and reflected in the batsmen we have today

 

[The lone Ranger]

Ofcoure sachin tendulkar

 

[Hasan123]

Sachin Tendulkar without a doubt.

 

[sweep_shot]

Miandad is an ATG in his own right but in terms of impact and influence Imran Khan is the only one comparable to Sachin.

Agreed.

Javed Miandad is a legend but Imran Khan is on a league of his own (as far as influence goes).

 

[Slog]

Sachin. No comparison eventhough Miandad is ATG

Prolly Top 3 Pak/Indbatsman are following:

Sachin
Gavaskar
Miandad

Prolly Kohli will or already has overtaken Miandad though

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Miandad

Tendulkar can only dream of playing that 86 Final and 92 Final knocks

 

[Hitman]

Maybe Mods can add a poll here.

 

[therealAB]

Pujara is better than anybody Sachin had in the 90's, which was when he was at his strongest

 

[therealAB]

What is the 86 final?

 

[therealAB]

WG is surely the most influential ever. And that women who decided to bowl overarm

 

[therealAB]

Tendulkar only batted four. Refused to go to 3 even when it was best for the team

 

[Waleed93]

Tendulkar and it's not even close. He inspired generations of Indian batsmen from Dhoni to Kohli to Shaw. His legacy as a pure batsman can't be explained in simple words.

As good as Miandad was, Tendulkar's only competitors in terms of impact on their respective teams are Imran and Kohli.

 

[the Great Khan]

Miandad, without a doubt..

 

[Hitman]

Tendulkar only batted four. Refused to go to 3 even when it was best for the team

How do you know that he refused to do so?

 

[Revolution]

And you think Miandad is not respected in Pakistan? Think Sharjah six.

Your Pakistan player afridi didn't have good respect on him.

 

[chazam]

Thanks for all responses...I loved watching both bat...yeah different roles but they were the fulcrums of their batting line ups...

 

[Dingolfy]

Dhawan has been a very good player. But he is nowhere near to world class.

Dhawan is a world-class ODI opener. Averages 45 with a strike rate of 94 with 17 centuries. Always stepped up his game in ICC tournaments and carried bulk of our batting along with Kohli and Rohit after 2015.

 

[PakPremi]

Tendulkar and it's not even close. He inspired generations of Indian batsmen from Dhoni to Kohli to Shaw. His legacy as a pure batsman can't be explained in simple words.

As good as Miandad was, Tendulkar's only competitors in terms of impact on their respective teams are Imran and Kohli.

Miandad had just as much impact as Tendulkar or Kohli on his team. In fact both Indian batsmen had many world class batsmen around them(David, Ganguly, Shewag, Rohit S, Laxman, Pujara and Dhawan). Miandad had less prolific batsmen like Saleem Malik, Ejaz Ahmed. In late 70s and early 80s he had some support from Zaheer Abbas.
Dial M for Murder was the headline in English newspaper on the back pages, as he was single handling destroying their attack.

 

[JaDed]

Miandad had just as much impact as Tendulkar or Kohli on his team. In fact both Indian batsmen had many world class batsmen around them(David, Ganguly, Shewag, Rohit S, Laxman, Pujara and Dhawan). Miandad had less prolific batsmen like Saleem Malik, Ejaz Ahmed. In late 70s and early 80s he had some support from Zaheer Abbas.
Dial M for Murder was the headline in English newspaper on the back pages, as he was single handling destroying their attack.

Saleem Malik single handedly won Pak the Nehru cup chasing in 1989 against Windies in the final, a chase for 273 during that time.

Inzi during 1992.. Pakistani batsmen might not had been consistent but were impactful in many crunch matches, so no Miandad wasn’t alone.

 

[ManFan]

Tendulkar led India from its darkest period to its resurgence as a cricketing powerhouse.

Miandad was the most important batsman in the team his entire tenure but the Pakistani team had other world-class players (yes, including batsmen) to assist both him and the team.

 

[big_gamer007]

No one comes close to Sachin in terms of impact for their team and country.

 

[captain.hansolo]

And you think Miandad is not respected in Pakistan? Think Sharjah six.

Not nearly as universally as Sachin Tendulkar. Not just because Miandad quickly became a caricature of a human being after leaving the sport, and is not nearly the statesman as Sachin, but also since Miandad played his sport in a period where the internet was not quite as prevalent.

Sachin benefited from peaking during the information revolution. Had he played some 5 years later, his fame would be even greater. He retired just when smart phones were becoming popular. Today, information is more easily accessible. That directly translates into impact and fame.

 

[octavian]

Tendulkar is more influential compared to miadad. Partly because he was better overall batsman than Miandad.

But also partly because Indians of that generation had no one else to look up to. Whereas Miandad had Imran Khan in his team.

Imran khan is a larger than life figure whose influence and inspiration goes far beyond the cricket field.

 

[moghul]

Sachin was much greater player statistically, but Miandad, after departure pf Zaheer, Majid, Mushtaq and Aif Iqbal, was the main stay of Pakistan batting for many years still emergence of Players like Saeed Anway, Inzimam and Younis kHan. Sachin was a prolific run scorer but always had some other dependable batsmen in team.

Sachin much greater batsman
Miandad, had greater impact on team.

 

[MenInG]

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[Robert]

Javed. Far more clutch with the bat, and a much better skipper too.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Sachin not only had an impact on his team but also on upcoming youngsters. He inspired players like Sehwag and Kohli.

 

[Marathonrunner]

All the way Sachin for India

 

[gazza619]

Huge respect for Sachin but Miandad as a fielder alone made a big impact.

 

[PakLFC]

Miandad often held the Pak innings together when other batsmen around him mostly failed. Whenever Pak scored well JM mostly played the longest and best innings. Sachin was surrounded by world class batsmen like Sehwag, Laxman, Ganguly and Dravid for most of his career which is why it is Javed for me. This is why Viv Richards said he would choose Javed if his own life was at stake. Javed was not the best to watch but a streetfighter for sure that can never be denied.

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

SRT is the most influential cricketer of all times along with WG Grace and Sir Don.
No one can come close to this trio.

 

[Rajdeep]

Sachin Tendulkar - the most complete batsman to have ever play this sport.

 

[shamaan]

I will always pick a street fighter.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Minadad stood up when his team needed him most in the 1992 WC Final and Austral Asia Cup Final.

Tendulkar completely failed in both his WC finals and despite playing 5 WC does not have a single KO century.

 

[Mamoon]

Only Pakistani fans are capable of making this embarrassing comparison. Tendulkar is leagues above any batsman Pakistan has ever produced and ever will produce.

 

[Rajdeep]

Minadad stood up when his team needed him most in the 1992 WC Final and Austral Asia Cup Final.

Tendulkar completely failed in both his WC finals and despite playing 5 WC does not have a single KO century.

Knock out's are not the only matches that matters. Ind vs Pak world cup matches are most pressure games.

Tendulkar won his team 3 out of those 5 games with Man of the match performance.

Miandad couldnt face the yorker of young Srinath in 92 and couldnt win for his side in 96 WC after the start openers gave him.

 

[mastimasti]

Now, back to a cricketing discussion -

It depends on what one means by impact. If we mean societal and pop culture impact, Tendulkar is in a league of his own and even with a history of Dev and Gavaskar and a post Tendulkar obsession with Kohli, it is the former who still stands tall as the biggest name in India. The one everyone else wants to emulate.

If we are talking impact on the cricket field, match winning knocks or in some cases match saving innings, Miandad is a prime example of a street fighter. As Viv once stated, if he ever wanted somoene to bat for his life, it would be Javed.

WHo can forget his wondrous test debut? My father certainly can not, it's an innings he never watched but read about, we in the 21st century have the luxury to google it, coming in at 50 odd for 3, against Hadlee who had already picked up 2 wickets and would soon pick up a 3rd, Miandad scored a century...an innings so important it meant he never averaged below fifty through his test career. This was match saving and match winning all in one. The true definition of what Miandad would go on to become.

Tendulkar however was a better all round batsman and a far greater run getter but he was overshadowed in his own side by batsmen who saved India far more often, the likes of Dravid and Laxman. Tendulkar was not that man.

 

[arif_2021]

Only Pakistani fans are capable of making this embarrassing comparison. Tendulkar is leagues above any batsman Pakistan has ever produced and ever will produce.

'will ever produce'.

please do share this fortune telling secret potion you're consuming.

 

[street cricketer]

Gavaskar was a great, but Tendulkar inspired millions and imbibed a batting culture in the country for years to come.

Not sure Miandad achieved that.

 

[MP2011]

Gavaskar was a great, but Tendulkar inspired millions and imbibed a batting culture in the country for years to come.

Not sure Miandad achieved that.

This.

There hasn't been a more inspirational cricketing figure than Tendulkar, ever!

 

[Vocare Ad Regnum]

This.

There hasn't been a more inspirational cricketing figure than Tendulkar, ever!

I mean, how is this even a comparison.
Tendulkar is probably amongst the top 5 batsman of all time in tests, Miandad might not even make it to top 20.

Although I won't say that he is the most influential, Bradman and Sobers were definitely bigger and more likeable.

 

[Vocare Ad Regnum]

Gavaskar was a great, but Tendulkar inspired millions and imbibed a batting culture in the country for years to come.

Not sure Miandad achieved that.

I think its more to do with the fact that Sachin came in the 90s, he wouldn't have made similar impact in the 70s.

 

[PakLFC]

Only Pakistani fans are capable of making this embarrassing comparison. Tendulkar is leagues above any batsman Pakistan has ever produced and ever will produce.

As usual you don't know what you are on about! The thread is about who had the better impact on his team, who was more important to his team not who was overall the better batsman between JM and Sachin. Can you see the difference?

 

[Mamoon]

'will ever produce'.

please do share this fortune telling secret potion you're consuming.

There is no need for any potion. Pakistan is the least talented batting nation ever. No team has produced fewer world class batsmen per capita.

In spite of having the second largest pool of players in the world (after India) and having a larger pool than all other cricket nations put together (excluding India), and the fact that cricket is by the far the most popular and played sport in the country, Pakistan has a very average batting legacy.

It is down to a combination of factors such as lack of talent, poor cricket culture, poor understanding of the game etc.

Miandad is the only Pakistani batsman who can be considered an all-time great - all other notable Pakistani did not have a big enough impact on the game; they are just national legends.

Even Miandad would barely get into the third XI of an all-time best team. It is a joke to compare him to Tendulkar who was several notches above him.

Babar is very good and he has the potential to become an all-time great player and surpass Miandad as Pakistan’s best ever batsman, but time is not on his side - he is 27-28 and has only 1 Test hundred outside Asia.

Unless he goes through a monstrous peak like Ponting from 2000 to 2006 or Kohli from 2015 to 2019, he has a very slim chance.

So in summary, you don’t need to be a fortune teller. You can safely bet a million dollars on the fact that Pakistan will never produce a bigger batsman than Tendulkar.

 

[Mamoon]

As usual you don't know what you are on about! The thread is about who had the better impact on his team, who was more important to his team not who was overall the better batsman between JM and Sachin. Can you see the difference?

I know what I am on about. I always do.

This thread is a joke no matter what context you focus on. Tendulkar transformed the cricket culture in India. He made India a batting nation and inspired a whole generation.

Tendulkar was a one man show in from his debut until the mid 90’s. India was a very weak team and he did not have the support that Miandad had. During his peak, Pakistan was arguably the second strongest side after West Indies.

India without Tendulkar in the 90’s was weaker than Pakistan without Miandad in the 80’s.

It was only from late 90’s onwards that India found players like Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly, Sehwag etc. that took pressure off Tendulkar.

So not only was Tendulkar a better batsman, he was also more important for his team, and he left a much bigger legacy on the game and the cricket culture of his country.

You can compare the legacy and influence on their respective teams of Imran and Tendulkar, but Miandad and Tendulkar is not a legit comparison in any context.

 

[Robert]

I know what I am on about. I always do.

This thread is a joke no matter what context you focus on. Tendulkar transformed the cricket culture in India. He made India a batting nation and inspired a whole generation.

Gavaskar, Vishwanath, Vengsarkar, Amanarth, Azhar might say otherwise.

 

[shamaan]

I mean, how is this even a comparison.
Tendulkar is probably amongst the top 5 batsman of all time in tests, Miandad might not even make it to top 20.

Although I won't say that he is the most influential, Bradman and Sobers were definitely bigger and more likeable.

He's definitely in the top 20.

 

[PakLFC]

I know what I am on about. I always do.

This thread is a joke no matter what context you focus on. Tendulkar transformed the cricket culture in India. He made India a batting nation and inspired a whole generation.

Tendulkar was a one man show in from his debut until the mid 90’s. India was a very weak team and he did not have the support that Miandad had. During his peak, Pakistan was arguably the second strongest side after West Indies.

India without Tendulkar in the 90’s was weaker than Pakistan without Miandad in the 80’s.

It was only from late 90’s onwards that India found players like Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly, Sehwag etc. that took pressure off Tendulkar.

So not only was Tendulkar a better batsman, he was also more important for his team, and he left a much bigger legacy on the game and the cricket culture of his country.

You can compare the legacy and influence on their respective teams of Imran and Tendulkar, but Miandad and Tendulkar is not a legit comparison in any context.

So if this thread is a joke then you must be a joker that you are contributing too it! No one is belittling Sachin or saying Javed was the better batsman. People like me are saying that as the Pak batting has historically been weaker then India's Javed was more valuable to Pak then Sachin was to India.

No I believe India has for most of history been a stronger batting line up then Pak. They have mostly been a better batting outfit with or without Sachin. If you analyse the record book will realise when Pak reached round about 400 Javed would play the main innings. Sachin on the other hand often scored poorly when India got a large score coz the likes of Sehwag and even Azghar in the 1990's scored heavily.

In conclusion, Javed was far more valuable an asset to Pak then Sachin was too India. No doubt about it.

 

[Mamoon]

So if this thread is a joke then you must be a joker that you are contributing too it! No one is belittling Sachin or saying Javed was the better batsman. People like me are saying that as the Pak batting has historically been weaker then India's Javed was more valuable to Pak then Sachin was to India.

No I believe India has for most of history been a stronger batting line up then Pak. They have mostly been a better batting outfit with or without Sachin. If you analyse the record book will realise when Pak reached round about 400 Javed would play the main innings. Sachin on the other hand often scored poorly when India got a large score coz the likes of Sehwag and even Azghar in the 1990's scored heavily.

In conclusion, Javed was far more valuable an asset to Pak then Sachin was too India. No doubt about it.

Maybe Sehwag scored “heavily” in the 90’s in a parallel universe because he made his Test debut in 2001.

Azharuddin averaged 44 in the 90’s while Tendulkar averaged around 60, I don’t think I need to explain what that means.

The only conclusion is that you know nothing about cricket and have presented fabrications to support your argument.

 

[PakLFC]

[/b]

Maybe Sehwag scored “heavily” in the 90’s in a parallel universe because he made his Test debut in 2001.

Azharuddin averaged 44 in the 90’s while Tendulkar averaged around 60, I don’t think I need to explain what that means.

The only conclusion is that you know nothing about cricket and have presented fabrications to support your argument.

I meant that Azhar scored heavily in the 1990's then Sehwag and others also supported Sachin very well later on. Playing word games does not change the fact that India has always had good batsmen to support Sachin more then Pak had to back up Javed.

44 is not a bad average either besides I am not saying that Azhar was better then Sachin. He was also very well supported by Laxman, Ganguly and Dravid too. On the other hand Javed at his peak had average batsmen around him like a Ramiz Raja or Salim Malik.

Fact is that your pervious posts have exposed your true identity as a Pak hater. Everyone here knows that your posts are always against Pakistan so stop trying to pretend you are one off us. You know nothing on any subject. You don't even seem to understand what this thread is all about that tells me everything about you.

 

[Mamoon]

Gavaskar, Vishwanath, Vengsarkar, Amanarth, Azhar might say otherwise.

They won’t unless they are jealous of Tendulkar’s profile and the impact he had on the Indian public and the psyche of Indian cricket fans.

 

[PakLFC]

A man who calls this thread a "joke" can't stop commenting on it. Where is the nearest shrink??

 

[Sycamore]

Sachin by a mile, India was a nothing team in the 90s.

Pakistan has always had great players that inspired their nation and team so having Miandad was just more of the same.

 

[par]

Tendulkar is the big reason what BCCi is what it is today. He for the most part of 90s made more Indians watch cricket which in turn made BCCI richer and stronger.

Nobody in cricket had that much impact.

 

[Robert]

They won’t unless they are jealous of Tendulkar’s profile and the impact he had on the Indian public and the psyche of Indian cricket fans.

Ah, so we are talking about personality cult rather than impact on the number of team wins.

Tendulkar is overrated. He would often fade away under pressure, whereas Gavaskar and Miandad who got stronger.

 

[MP2011]

He would often fade away under pressure.

A lie, if repeated thousand times, won't make it a truth.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Ah, so we are talking about personality cult rather than impact on the number of team wins.

Tendulkar is overrated. He would often fade away under pressure, whereas Gavaskar and Miandad who got stronger.

Yes, he is overrated and selfish.
Just keep emotions aside and think of realities. Overhyped because of huge Indian population and Media.

Fact that Sachin had shown traits of being selfish and insecure on more than one occasion.

Inspiring of cricketers is fans stuff.. 1983 wc was a game changer in India not this little choker.

People believe that Sachin was the only player in the team and children are made to believe that people switched off the TVs when Sachin got out. However, this is not at all true because many people loved to watch Veeru, Dravid, Ganguly,Yuvraj and Laxman etc.

 

[Mamoon]

Ah, so we are talking about personality cult rather than impact on the number of team wins.

Tendulkar is overrated. He would often fade away under pressure, whereas Gavaskar and Miandad who got stronger.

That is your personal opinion. A poor opinion but deserves to be respected nonetheless.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Sachin is overrated in India and I believe the other players like Ganguly and Dravid should get equal credit for the intangible contributions they offered to the team.

Jacques Kallis Started 6 years after Sachin. Has a significantly better batting average (56.92 vs. 54.32 of Sachin) and has got 282 wickets bowling medium pace. He has also taken 80 more catches in 36 fewer matches. Even if we assume that Sachin is equal to him in batting (despite the lower average and advantage of playing in subcontinental flat beds), Kallis' bowling & catching superiority alone should make him a better player. But, he has no advantage of 1.2 billion mad fan population.

 

[Rajdeep]

Sachin is overrated in India and I believe the other players like Ganguly and Dravid should get equal credit for the intangible contributions they offered to the team.

Jacques Kallis Started 6 years after Sachin. Has a significantly better batting average (56.92 vs. 54.32 of Sachin) and has got 282 wickets bowling medium pace. He has also taken 80 more catches in 36 fewer matches. Even if we assume that Sachin is equal to him in batting (despite the lower average and advantage of playing in subcontinental flat beds), Kallis' bowling & catching superiority alone should make him a better player. But, he has no advantage of 1.2 billion mad fan population.

The truth is Sachin Tendulkar was one of the best batsman, if not the best batsman to have ever played this game. He is rightfully hyped up as he was a prodigy.

The player that is actually overhyped in India is the one in your profile picture.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

The truth is Sachin Tendulkar was one of the best batsman, if not the best batsman to have ever played this game. He is rightfully hyped up as he was a prodigy.

The player that is actually overhyped in India is the one in your profile picture.

The guy in my DP who lifted all Trophies for India... The guy you hyping is Mr Dumbo, worst ever Indian captain and zero leadership skills.

The guy in my DP scored 91 runs in wc final ... The guy you hyping is Master of Choker, cant play under pressure

Sachin fans can only dream about it.

And Dhoni delivered, in style with his own contribution as well. India won the 2011 world cup.

 

[Rajdeep]

The guy in my DP who lifted all Trophies for India... The guy you hyping is Mr Dumbo, worst ever Indian captain and zero leadership skills.

The guy in my DP scored 91 runs in wc final ... The guy you hyping is Master of Choker, cant play under pressure

Sachin fans can only dream about it.

And Dhoni delivered, in style with his own contribution as well. India won the 2011 world cup.

But the discussion is not about who is better captain...its about who is better player. Dont want to make this a Sachin vs Dhoni comparison but later is the most overhyped player from India. He was finished as a batsman by 2013 but dragged his career for 7 more years. Infact, likes of Yuvi, Gambhir and Sehwag were better players than MSD.

As far as choking under pressure is concerned, the most pressure cricket match ever played was Mohali semi final where Sachin gave man of the match performance. What happened to Dhoni on that day? What happened to Dhoni in 2007 WT20 finals or world cup 2015 semi or CT 2017 finals etc. Yes he did play a good innings in 2011 WC final but the hero of that game will always be Gambhir.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

The guy in my DP who lifted all Trophies for India... The guy you hyping is Mr Dumbo, worst ever Indian captain and zero leadership skills.

The guy in my DP scored 91 runs in wc final ... The guy you hyping is Master of Choker, cant play under pressure

Sachin fans can only dream about it.

And Dhoni delivered, in style with his own contribution as well. India won the 2011 world cup.

Tendulkar delivered in 96, 2003 & 2011 worldcup. Three worldcups where he was absolutely immense. It's very unfair to call Sachin choker when he consistently delivered on the biggest stages.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

But the discussion is not about who is better captain...its about who is better player. Dont want to make this a Sachin vs Dhoni comparison but later is the most overhyped player from India. He was finished as a batsman by 2013 but dragged his career for 7 more years. Infact, likes of Yuvi, Gambhir and Sehwag were better players than MSD.

As far as choking under pressure is concerned, the most pressure cricket match ever played was Mohali semi final where Sachin gave man of the match performance. What happened to Dhoni on that day? What happened to Dhoni in 2007 WT20 finals or world cup 2015 semi or CT 2017 finals etc. Yes he did play a good innings in 2011 WC final but the hero of that game will always be Gambhir.

Sachin made people realise that he is playing for records.

The BCCI invites Bangladesh for 100th 100 and the WI to play a two match test series just to make sure he retires on a high.

It is apparent that Sachin played for records in his final two years. While India were being thrashed around by sides like England and Australia, ST with his below par performances was an automatic selection until the time he reached his personal milestones.

Dhoni delivered when it matters in wc final..

At the end of the day, it is Dhoni who is always holding the trophy no matter what.
At the end of the day, it is SACHIN who always chokes in finals, hardly played few crucial matches in his entire 22 great years.

 

[Rajdeep]

Sachin made people realise that he is playing for records.

The BCCI invites Bangladesh for 100th 100 and the WI to play a two match test series just to make sure he retires on a high.

It is apparent that Sachin played for records in his final two years. While India were being thrashed around by sides like England and Australia, ST with his below par performances was an automatic selection until the time he reached his personal milestones.

Dhoni delivered when it matters in wc final..

At the end of the day, it is Dhoni who is always holding the trophy no matter what.
At the end of the day, it is SACHIN who always chokes in finals, hardly played few crucial matches in his entire 22 great years.

Sachin was India's best batsman in 2011 world cup. Then when we toured Australia in December 2011, he was still India's best test batsman. He lost his form in summer of 2012 when Kiwis toured India and retired in October 2013. He dragged his career for 12-15 months at max. Yes BCCI did organize a farewell series for him but him being the greatest player ever produced by India deserve that kind of farewell.

Dhoni lost his batting form after CT 2013. Not only he dragged his career till 2015 WC selfishly but went onto play another one in 2019. He was also looking to play T20 WC in 2020 but then corona pandemic screwed that plan up.

So who is more selfish eh?

BTW, I am from same state as Dhoni...so I have no reason to be anti him. But Tendulkar is just a superior player and that too by a long margin

#TruthBomb