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Gilchrist remains my favorite but I am a bit divided between him and Dhoni. According to you people who is your favorite WKB??

You are free to suggest other candidates also.
 
Batting

Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0
AC Gilchrist 287 279 11 9619 172 35.89 9922 96.94 16 55 19
MS Dhoni 186 166 42 6049 183* 48.78 6910 87.53 7 38 6


Wicket Keeping

Mat Inns Dis Ct St Max Dis Inns Dis/Inn
AC Gilchrist 287 281 472 417 55 6 (6ct 0st) 1.679
MS Dhoni 186 183 241 181 60 6 (5ct 1st) 1.316

Captaincy

Mat W L T NR W/L
MS Dhoni 102 59 35 1 7 1.68
AC Gilchrist 17 12 4 0 1 3.00
 
I have always thought Gilchrist was overrated barring a few innings of note.

Over the past decade or so - it has to be Dhoni. To average 50+ in ODI's batting at 6 or 7 is incredible.

Currently, it is De Kock followed by Butler.
 
msb314 said:
I have always thought Gilchrist was overrated barring a few innings of note.

Over the past decade or so - it has to be Dhoni. To average 50+ in ODI's batting at 6 or 7 is incredible.

Currently, it is De Kock followed by Butler.
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he won Australia a WC and is a test legend. Thats enough for most.

Its a similar case with Inzi, crap WC record overall but that doesnt matter due the semi-final in 92, and underachiever in odis but thats also glossed over due to being a test great
 
jos buttler is an excellent batsman, but his keeping is horrible and it will cost england games, QDK is a very good keeper and batsman as well, McCullum before he quit keeping was i think the most underrated keeper
 
It is Dhoni. For me, Dhoni is also the greatest ODI batsman ever. He has done everything noteworthy to prove it. Maintaining an avg. of 50+ is no mean feat too.
 
Crafty_Indian said:
Gilchrist remains my favorite but I am a bit divided between him and Dhoni. According to you people who is your favorite WKB??

You are free to suggest other candidates also.
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Tests

Sangakkara
A. Flower
Gilchrist

ODI

Dhoni
Gilchrist
Sangakkara
 
The one & only Gilly.

HE Changed the dynamics of modern cricket in both tests & ODI. After him every team started judging keepers on their batting performances. Changed the criteria of WK selection forever.
 
I'll put Gilly ahead marginally. ODI game is about impact, but in that regard both MS & Gilly were equal, of not MS slightly ahead, because he did it from No. 6.

But, I put Gilly ahead because of the era he played (36/97 is unbelievable stats for a career between 1994 to 2007) & the way he used to frighten the opening bowlers of the best pace attack era of ODI game.

Besides, he was a better WK. I think, almost everyone is putting Gilly in the best ever ODI XI for that.
 
where as Dhoni and Ghilchrist have similar success in ODI, Gilchrist has been a beast as compared to Dhoni in Tests. T20 wasnt that popular in Ghilchrist era so no debate there but as much as Ghilchrist played, he was better than Dhoni.

so in essence, Ghilchrist > Dhoni. althogh both still remain my fav players.
 
Gilchrist > Dhoni. Dhonis average is a little inflated because he played in an easier era and because hes finisher. Gilly used to open and an average of 37 at his strike rate was brilliant up the order. Also he was a better keeper who kept to the likes of Gillespie,Lee and Warne in ODIs.
 
That's the thing when you compare players from different eras.

It's hard to choose. I'd select Gilly due to impact but MSD has won India a lot of games. Then you have Sanga, a beast as well.

So it has to be between these: Gilly for my ATG ODI XI.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Gilchrist > Dhoni. Dhonis average is a little inflated because he played in an easier era and [highlight]because hes finisher[/highlight]. Gilly used to open and an average of 37 at his strike rate was brilliant up the order. Also he was a better keeper who kept to the likes of Gillespie,Lee and Warne in ODIs.
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Dhoni averages 70+ @ 3 with 98 SR. so he's being a finisher denied to score more.
 
Gilchrist for sure. Don't give me his 35 average and Dhonis 50. In terms of impact no one comes close to Gilly. Hed be in my team as a pure batsman.
 
Coming to the limited overs games I believe for a keeper to be selected in an atg team he must have won his country a world cup whivlch both of them have done so.

But while it is difficult to pick Gilly coz he is an opener and there will be some really stiff competition (Sachin, Sanath, Haydos etc) the same can't be said of Dhoni coz he is like a beast as he can both play an explosive innings like the one against Pak or SL and the measured innings ala Bevan, the famous world cup finals knock. So one might tilt towards Dhoni in that sense which IMO is totally understandable.
 
Keeping wise I guess Dhoni is a bit more adept at keeping to spinners must not forget the impossible stumpings and the runouts he effects but to pacers Gilly wins hands down.
 
Dhoni will make a strong case for an all time XI as a pure ODI batsman. Only batsman having gun performance in 00s and 2010s. Many players played in both decades but didn't have that kind of performance. Based on his record, a decent case can be made for Dhoni averaging even higher if he had played higher up. Anyway, average is not the way to compare batsmen.

Keeping and captaincy is simply a bonus here.
 
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Gilly, Sanga then Dhoni (avg 39 outside subcon) for me.

You have to remember, Gilly usually blasted at a SR above 120. If he batted slower, he'd probably have a bit higher average.
 
MS Dhoni

You can easily replace Gilchrist with any aggressive opener but it is hard to find a finisher like Dhoni in ODIs.

Tests and T20s = Gilchrist
ODIs = Dhoni
Overall = Gilchrist (easily among the top 5 cricketers in the entire history of the game)
 
The_Odd_One said:
MS Dhoni

You can easily replace Gilchrist with any aggressive opener but it is hard to find a finisher like Dhoni in ODIs.

Tests and T20s = Gilchrist
ODIs = Dhoni
Overall = Gilchrist (easily among the top 5 cricketers in the entire history of the game)
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Gilchrist and Sangakarra give team option option of playing extra all-rounder.
 
For me Dhoni is in the top 5 ever to play ODI cricket and he is the greatest finisher there has ever been.
 
Dhoni would make my XI as a pure bat (and captain), and I would have Gilchrist as the keeper opening with Sachin. But if I had to pick one or the other, it would be Dhoni easily.
 
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Dhoni. No one else comes close. Gilly is overrated in ODIs because of a couple of great performances.
 
I practically grew up watching Gilly decimate teams while opening the batting for that ATG Aussie side. I am not aware of the general age bracket that post on Pakpassion but believe me, during that era Gilchrist would put the fear of God in bowlers; be it anyone.

The only two openers that I've ever been literally afraid off are Gilly and Hayden. That feeling of fear doesn't get associated with Dhoni hence I can't put him ahead of Gilchrist. Plus Gilchrist was probably the first one to change the dynamics of how a wicket keeper batsman approached an ODI or Test match so he was 'one of his kind' type of players when it came to innovation and approach.

Him and Bevan provided a very different dynamic to LOI cricket back in those days which formed the template of how Modern day ODI and T20 cricket would be played. Simply put Gilly any day of the week.
 
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I cannot put anyone ahead of Gilly.

Dhoni is close , but If I had to choose one , I have to go with Gilly. Most of the posters would agree with that :121:
 
AB to me is the best. He also has an average of over 50 after playing over 200 ODis with an almost 100 SR. Dhoni is an equally good ODi bat to me but he was an inferior test bat. I haven't seen Gilchrist play so I can't say much about him. Stats tell me AB is better though. And so AB is my greatest.
I almost forgot about Sanga.. the most superior test batsman out of all these bats!!
 
hafizexpress said:
AB to me is the best. He also has an average of over 50 after playing over 200 ODis with an almost 100 SR. Dhoni is an equally good ODi bat to me but he was an inferior test bat. I haven't seen Gilchrist play so I can't say much about him. Stats tell me AB is better though. And so AB is my greatest.
I almost forgot about Sanga.. the most superior test batsman out of all these bats!!
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This thread is only about ODIs.
 
I hate comparisons between batsmen of 2 drastically different roles. It's like asking which is your favorite, your brain or heart? Would you rather have a car with no brakes or no steering wheel? Would you rather be with Deepika or Priyanka?

Some times you can't just pick one.

With that said, I think I'd rather have Dhoni because this guy comes with the added benefit of being able to succeed in any position, think Gilchrist was a little untested in this regard in ODIs. Dhoni started off as an epic #3 batsman hitting big scores in his first few innings.

Honestly believe he could broken Sachin's records had he continued at 3, but turned out to be a real team player and demoted himself. Can't imagine Hafeez saab doing something like this for the team, dirt on his ego if such misfortune happens to him.

But yeah, Dhoni just edges Gilchrist.

Think Sanga is 3rd easily, and very underrated in ODIs. He got better with age and is easily skillwise and technique wise the best wicket keeper batsman. Scored an epic 40 ball 90 vs India chasing 400 in that run fest ODI, best knock of the match by far amongst Dilshan, Sehwag and Sach.

Kami maybe 3rd when it came to pure destructiveness when he was in the mood. Scored some absolute brill knocks, and was hailed as the next Gilly by experts like Ian Chappel. Also ended Moin Khan and Rashid Latif's career.
 
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Faisalsq092 said:
Currently its QDK followed by Buttler and Sarfaraz
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Yeah, way deKock is going atm if he wins SAF a world cup as he seems like the only saffer with deBalls he may become one of the best ever assuming the other chokers don't mess up. :amla

When you combine destructiveness with a hunger of big scores ala Gilly then you have potentially great material.

Usually you have destructive batsmen who last just for a 50 and leave. :sharjeel

Then you have accumulators who last a long time, but don't really have the explosiveness.
 
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The way I see it finishers are hard to come by than attacking opener
 
Can't go wrong with either Gilly or Dhoni. Both among the top five ODI cricketers ever I would say. But if I had to pick one it would have to be Gilly a true revolutionary! :yk


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Suleiman said:
Yeah, way deKock is going atm if he wins SAF a world cup as he seems like the only saffer with deBalls he may become one of the best ever assuming the other chokers don't mess up. :amla

When you combine destructiveness with a hunger of big scores ala Gilly then you have potentially great material.

Usually you have destructive batsmen who last just for a 50 and leave. :sharjeel

Then you have accumulators who last a long time, but don't really have the explosiveness.
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Well elaborated. The value QDK brings with his batting is immense. They guy already has 11 ODI hundreds and it baffles me to know that he isnt even 24 yet. Compared to Root and Williamson, he has even played lesser games. Seems to be massively underrated, probably one of the top 3 one day batters going around. Additionally, he can also keep well.

Heard that his entrance in the team was delayed due to De villiers having some sort of disliking against him. Though when QDK got his chance, he made sure no one was disliking him.
 
Faisalsq092 said:
Well elaborated. The value QDK brings with his batting is immense. They guy already has 11 ODI hundreds and it baffles me to know that he isnt even 24 yet. Compared to Root and Williamson, he has even played lesser games. Seems to be massively underrated, probably one of the top 3 one day batters going around. Additionally, he can also keep well.

Heard that his entrance in the team was delayed due to De villiers having some sort of disliking against him. Though when QDK got his chance, he made sure no one was disliking him.
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Hmm, didn't know the bit about abd.

But he had a really modest start to his intl career. Looked very nervous. Yet still got selected for ipl but didn't do so hot.

Despite that csa gave him full backing because he was the highest scoring u19 player after all, and he justified their trust by announcing himself against us for his first 100.

Courtesy Hafeez too as he dropped him on 1. :hafeez
 
Gilchrist for me. Comparing averages across eras is deceptive, not to mention that Gilchrist opened the batting and took the attack to the opposition. He was destructive and incredibly demoralizing for opposition teams. He was like the modern day Buttler but across a very long period of time and opening.

Dhoni is a great player though of course.
 
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Still Gilly for me, with MS behind slightly - won 3 WCs, MoM at one final (MSD as well), won a CT (MoM in FInal?) and during his time I think that AUS side had a close to 10:1 W/L ratio. Not sure how many Tournaments or Series he won, probably easier to count how many he lost - I can name 4, I guess, in 12 years!!!!

Josh Buttler has a genuine chance to replace him, but Poms have to win at least one WC for that and JB has to play significant role in that win. As of now, it's AG>MSD>Kumar Sanga.
 
I am really interested to know what work ethic and routine Mushfiqur Rehman adopted to become such a heavy weight.

He is 10 times the player today as compared to a few years ago.
 
Gilly, change wicket keeping /batsman forever.
Stats DO lie.
Was kumar a wicketkeeper for all those games?
Dhoni is very good! I rate him just behind gilly.
In honesty, seeing a young dhoni come onto the scene, i dont understand why he kept wicket. He was a devastating bat. I remember inzi holding akhtars overs back for when dhoni would come. As akhtar was the only one who could have some control over dhoni, as dhoni murdered the other bowlers.
 
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