Who is the most promising pace-bowling all-rounder?

[Rana]

The Curran boy is better than both Pandy and Faheem

 

[Mamoon]

Can't help but feel sorry for some posters in this thread.

Embarrassing, green-tinted drivel.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Curran.

Faheem and Pandya have done nothing special. Curran has showed he can be a bowler or batsmen in his own right if he works a little harder.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Can't help but feel sorry for some posters in this thread.

Embarrassing, green-tinted drivel.

You went for Pandya, blue tinted glasses?

The chap has done nothing so far. IPL is a mickey mouse domestic league, he is fish bait in test cricket.

 

[Hasan123]

Those who said Faheem are hillairious.

 

[Mamoon]

You went for Pandya, blue tinted glasses?

The chap has done nothing so far. IPL is a mickey mouse domestic league, he is fish bait in test cricket.

Pandya and Curran are at the same level. Both have the potential to reach the league of Stokes one day. As far as Faheem is concerned, it is embarrassing to compare him to the former two.

It is not about the "Mickey Mouse" league, the league where our players are desperate to play in and the league that has become a bigger brand than Pakistan cricket itself.

Pandya has already done more in Test and ODI cricket than Faheem ever will - he has played some fantastic knocks and produced decent spells against good teams. Faheem has been a tail-ender and a minnow-basher with the ball.

Before he climbs up the ladder and merits comparisons with Pandya and Curran, Faheem first has to prove that he is better than the likes of Anwar Ali and Bhatti.

 

[gazza619]

Sam Curran is red hot.

 

[Hasan123]

Faheem is so mediocre with ball and even more so with the bat. I would take even Colin de Grandhomme over him.

Curran has excellent control of his swing with both new and old ball. Ideally for England if he can put on another 7-10km/h he'll be the real deal. Very impressed with his batting. For someone so young, he has the choice to develop into a bowling or batting all rounder. That shows you how gifted this kid really is.

Faheem is good for T20Is only with his tight bowling. I would rather see Amir in the side than this guy, at least he can bowl and show more guts with the bat. Faheem is simply a product from the Duck Pond.

Curran batting is also very good. I think his bowling has work to do but he will learn a lot from Anderson and Broad.

Look at the above posters who went for Faheem.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Pandya and Curran are at the same level. Both have the potential to reach the league of Stokes one day. As far as Faheem is concerned, it is embarrassing to compare him to the former two.

It is not about the "Mickey Mouse" league, the league where our players are desperate to play in and the league that has become a bigger brand than Pakistan cricket itself.

Pandya has already done more in Test and ODI cricket than Faheem ever will - he has played some fantastic knocks and produced decent spells against good teams. Faheem has been a tail-ender and a minnow-basher with the ball.

Before he climbs up the ladder and merits comparisons with Pandya and Curran, Faheem first has to prove that he is better than the likes of Anwar Ali and Bhatti.

Where have I mentioned Faheem? I said Curran was the most promising. Of course players want to make money by playing in any league which gives them a good income, its their job not a hobby. But a mickey mouse domestic league wont tell you the ability to play test matches.

What has Pandya done in test cricket which makes him the most promising?

 

[topspin]

Curran batting is also very good. I think his bowling has work to do but he will learn a lot from Anderson and Broad.

Look at the above posters who went for Faheem.

This sums up why Faheem is the most overrated player on PP by a mile.

 

[Mamoon]

Where have I mentioned Faheem? I said Curran was the most promising. Of course players want to make money by playing in any league which gives them a good income, its their job not a hobby. But a mickey mouse domestic league wont tell you the ability to play test matches.

What has Pandya done in test cricket which makes him the most promising?

You mentioned Faheem in post #83.

In only 11 Tests that Pandya has played so far, he has shown a lot of promise with the bat. He averages roughly the same as Shafiq and Babar, and you also need to keep in mind that 7 of the 11 Tests that he has played so far were in South Africa and England.

In South Africa, he scored 93 on a bowling paradise against the best attack in the world with his team in deep trouble. A year later, on relatively easier pitches, the highest score that any Pakistani batsman could produce was 88.

He smashed a quick-fire hundred against Sri Lanka, a team that whitewashed Pakistan 2 months later.

He struggled with the bat in England, but an average of 24 including a fifty is quite respectable for a young subcontinent batsman on his first English tour. Not to forget, he did well with the ball.

Pandya has shown immense potential in his brief Test career so far. If he wasn't Indian, you would be waxing lyrical about him now.

Along with Curran, he is undoubtedly the most promising and exciting young all-rounder in world cricket today.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You mentioned Faheem in post #83.

In only 11 Tests that Pandya has played so far, he has shown a lot of promise with the bat. He averages roughly the same as Shafiq and Babar, and you also need to keep in mind that 7 of the 11 Tests that he has played so far were in South Africa and England.

In South Africa, he scored 93 on a bowling paradise against the best attack in the world with his team in deep trouble. A year later, on relatively easier pitches, the highest score that any Pakistani batsman could produce was 88.

He smashed a quick-fire hundred against Sri Lanka, a team that whitewashed Pakistan 2 months later.

He struggled with the bat in England, but an average of 24 including a fifty is quite respectable for a young subcontinent batsman on his first English tour. Not to forget, he did well with the ball.

Pandya has shown immense potential in his brief Test career so far. If he wasn't Indian, you would be waxing lyrical about him now.

Along with Curran, he is undoubtedly the most promising and exciting young all-rounder in world cricket today.

I mentioned him saying he is not the most promising but you with blue tinted glasses felt the need to tell me that anyway.

Sure he made one good score of 90+ in a losing cause but if he had real potential he would have not walked away from that tour with an average of 19 with the bat and 54 with the ball. One swallow doesnt make a summer

Shadab Khan scored a 50 in England and has a better average but he's not even in the convo here.

Pandya has shown nothing. It's not because he's Indian Im writing this, it's because he's Indian you're making him out to be the next Imran Khan

 

[QalandarFan]

How in the world does Faheem have 15 votes?!

For if I was allowed to pick one to play for Pakistan it would be Sam Curran. Just an amazing prospect, watched him in the Eng/Ind series and not only did he make cruical runs down the order but he also got the bowl to swing very nicely. Seems to me someone who will be England's new ball bowler for a long time to come. Easily the greatest prospect on the list considering he is only like 20 years old too.

 

[iPakistani]

You mentioned Faheem in post #83.

In only 11 Tests that Pandya has played so far, he has shown a lot of promise with the bat. He averages roughly the same as Shafiq and Babar, and you also need to keep in mind that 7 of the 11 Tests that he has played so far were in South Africa and England.

In South Africa, he scored 93 on a bowling paradise against the best attack in the world with his team in deep trouble. A year later, on relatively easier pitches, the highest score that any Pakistani batsman could produce was 88.

He smashed a quick-fire hundred against Sri Lanka, a team that whitewashed Pakistan 2 months later.

He struggled with the bat in England, but an average of 24 including a fifty is quite respectable for a young subcontinent batsman on his first English tour. Not to forget, he did well with the ball.

Pandya has shown immense potential in his brief Test career so far. If he wasn't Indian, you would be waxing lyrical about him now.

Along with Curran, he is undoubtedly the most promising and exciting young all-rounder in world cricket today.

Your logic is so stupid, what happened in the CT17 when this great Indian team that you absolutely demand approval from got beaten one sidedly by Sri Lanka, but then in the final game Pakistan went on to beat that Sri Lanka team. You made no sense talking about Pandya's century which is somehow connected with pakistan losing to sri lanka.

Also Pandya averaged 19 on that SA tour you forgot to mention, batting wise Shadab has proven himself more in tests considering he is only 20!.

 

[QalandarFan]

So now people are saying Faheem would make teams on merit with just ball in hand? No Faheem should not even be in the squad when you have the following four pacers ; Amir, Junaid, Shaheen, and Hasan. They are all much superior bowlers to Faheem and they can even bat better than him I'd say. It is beyond me how we have picked this guy as our opening bowler for the first two games. We got away with it in the first but like I said we needed to drop him for the Durban game. But same old Pakistan not learning from their mistakes until they fall flat on their face. I swear if this guy plays the third ODI...

I have always been a big fan of Shadab though and I feel he can truly develop into one of the top AR in the world. Not a pace-bowling AR, but the potential is immense considering he is only 20!

 

[iPakistani]

You mentioned Faheem in post #83.

In only 11 Tests that Pandya has played so far, he has shown a lot of promise with the bat. He averages roughly the same as Shafiq and Babar, and you also need to keep in mind that 7 of the 11 Tests that he has played so far were in South Africa and England.

In South Africa, he scored 93 on a bowling paradise against the best attack in the world with his team in deep trouble. A year later, on relatively easier pitches, the highest score that any Pakistani batsman could produce was 88.

He smashed a quick-fire hundred against Sri Lanka, a team that whitewashed Pakistan 2 months later.

He struggled with the bat in England, but an average of 24 including a fifty is quite respectable for a young subcontinent batsman on his first English tour. Not to forget, he did well with the ball.

Pandya has shown immense potential in his brief Test career so far. If he wasn't Indian, you would be waxing lyrical about him now.

Along with Curran, he is undoubtedly the most promising and exciting young all-rounder in world cricket today.

Shadab made 2 50's in 3 innings on his first ever tour to England not to forget he is only 20 years old. Fair enough with the ball he didn't do aswell as Pandya, however in the SA series Shadab got more wickets in one match than Pandya did all series. Not to mention Shadab was 47* in that SA test making 52 runs in that match. If he played all 3 matches he would have definitely had more runs than Pandya.

Hardik Pandya is a tier below Sam Curran, he is on the same level as Faheem Ashraf. However you have your blue-tinted glasses on so you don't see this, you constantly mention how Shadab is not a good batsman or a bowler yet he is only 20 and outperformed Pandya in the situations mentioned above.

Sam Curran (Tier 1)
Hardik Pandya, Faheem Ashraf (Tier 2)

 

[iPakistani]

So now people are saying Faheem would make teams on merit with just ball in hand? No Faheem should not even be in the squad when you have the following four pacers ; Amir, Junaid, Shaheen, and Hasan. They are all much superior bowlers to Faheem and they can even bat better than him I'd say. It is beyond me how we have picked this guy as our opening bowler for the first two games. We got away with it in the first but like I said we needed to drop him for the Durban game. But same old Pakistan not learning from their mistakes until they fall flat on their face. I swear if this guy plays the third ODI...

I have always been a big fan of Shadab though and I feel he can truly develop into one of the top AR in the world. Not a pace-bowling AR, but the potential is immense considering he is only 20!

Yes I agree, I thought Faheem had improved and would be a good option for the ODIs in SA but the guy does absolutely nothing with the ball, was bowling wrong lines wrong lengths and not doing anything with the ball. If we had Amir bowling alongside Shaheen it could have been match winning.

However, I still believe Hardik is just slightly ahead of Faheem. Both of them are not very special players but the one to look at is Shadab. Outstanding Fielder, and a good batsman and bowler too.

 

[BDfanforever]

Chris Woakes from your list. Faheem is a decent bowler, but as an all rounder I would rate Hasan Ali to be better.

Chris Woakes, Sam Curran, Jimmy Neesham, rest are all its and bits players.

 

[The Viper]

Andile has potential i think. He played pretty well even though he did get a bit lucky in both facets vs Pak.

 

[iPakistani]

Hardik Pandya bowled 51 overs in his first South Africa tour picking 3 wickets. Ave of 54.00.
Faheem Ashraf bowled 29 overs in his first South Africa tour picking 6 wickets. Ave of 16.50.

Hardik Pandya bowled 64.1 overs in his England tour picking 10 wickets. Ave of 24.70.
Faheem Ashraf bowled 38.0 overs in his England tour picking 4 wickets. Ave of 29.75.



As a bowler it seems Faheem is just a tad ahead of Pandya, however batting Hardik is clear. Both are nowhere near the level of Woakes or Curran.

 

[QalandarFan]

Andile has potential i think. He played pretty well even though he did get a bit lucky in both facets vs Pak.

Guy looked clueless against Shadab got really lucky there and his bowling today wasn't special. Just a matter of Pak batsman being Pak Batsman.

 

[Shaka81]

Faheem hasn't really kicked on and improved as a player. A bit disappointed in him. He's fallen behind a lot of the other players listed both in batting and bowling.

 

[ManFan]

Hardik Pandya bowled 51 overs in his first South Africa tour picking 3 wickets. Ave of 54.00.
Faheem Ashraf bowled 29 overs in his first South Africa tour picking 6 wickets. Ave of 16.50.

Hardik Pandya bowled 64.1 overs in his England tour picking 10 wickets. Ave of 24.70.
Faheem Ashraf bowled 38.0 overs in his England tour picking 4 wickets. Ave of 29.75.



As a bowler it seems Faheem is just a tad ahead of Pandya, however batting Hardik is clear. Both are nowhere near the level of Woakes or Curran.

Pandya and Faheem both had average tours to England but the former had a great Test where he got a five-wicket-haul and a fifty to make amends for his previous failures.

I think it clear that Faheem still has a lot to offer in his bowling but his batting is holding him back and it is entirely his fault.

Meanwhile Pandya, hasn’t exactly set the world on fire in the last year also. After a wonderful 2017, he has had an average 2018 and a poor start to 2019.

I still think both players are not the next comings of Kapil or Imran but my original point stands; Faheem is a better bowler and Pandya a better bowler.

Their secondary skills are both poor and need much developing.

 

[SportsWarrior]

Precisely why you shouldn't be posting on this thread. First educate yourself.

Wow look at the arrogance.. Seriously what performance you were so smug about. Faheem averages 16 @ 80 in List A. He is nobody even in your domestics. In international cricket he averages like 50 in bowling and 12 in batting against non minnows. I think you need to educate yourself

 

[aukhan]

Definitely not ours.

The only decent we have is Amir Yamin who is no where to be seen.

 

[Mamoon]

Your logic is so stupid, what happened in the CT17 when this great Indian team that you absolutely demand approval from got beaten one sidedly by Sri Lanka, but then in the final game Pakistan went on to beat that Sri Lanka team. You made no sense talking about Pandya's century which is somehow connected with pakistan losing to sri lanka.

Also Pandya averaged 19 on that SA tour you forgot to mention, batting wise Shadab has proven himself more in tests considering he is only 20!.

In ODIs and T20Is, a weaker team can beat a better team on a given day. India had an off-day, but 9/10 times, they will comfortably beat Sri Lanka even without Kohli.

In Tests, the chances of a weaker team winning are very low. That is why India has never to lost a Test to Sri Lanka at home, and probably never will.

Similarly, on the flat UAE wickets, India can play a thousand Tests with Sri Lanka and they will not lose. If we had someone like Pandya, we have avoided those embarrassing defeats against Sri Lanka and also against New Zealand.

Pandya and Faheem in the same tier? That is nonsense. Faheem is nowhere near Pandya - their bowling is comparable but their batting is at completely different levels. Only only on PP would you see someone put Faheem and Pandya in the same tier.

There is not a single team in the world that would prefer to have Faheem in the team over Pandya. The former is in the tier of all-rounders like Anwar Ali, Bhatti, Binny etc. A very poor all-round cricketer.

As far as Shadab is concerned, he has played some decent knocks in Tests, but he does not have the explosive ability of Pandya. That is why he has a pitiful SR of 65 in ODIs. He is someone who can hang around for a while and string a partnership, but he is not someone who can come in change the game. Unlike Pandya, his batting is not a threat to the opposition.

In Pandya and Pant, India have two lower-order batsmen who can turn a game upside down in a session. Shadab does not possess that ability. That is why Pandya's development is so important for India - he is someone who can come in and smash a 75-80 ball hundred, but Shadab cannot do that. That is why Pandya has received so much attention and hype. It is his ability to take the game to the opposition and put them on the back-foot.

As far as Shadab's bowling is concerned, he has not done much against good players of spin. He was completely ineffective in the Asia Cup and is heavily reliant on poor players of spin who cannot pick his googly. Yes he is 21 and all that but at the end of the day, he is a Pakistani player and I expect him to fizzle out instead of improve leaps and bounds. After all, that is what Pakistani players do.

Yes he is an excellent fielder, but so is Pandya.

 

[Mamoon]

I mentioned him saying he is not the most promising but you with blue tinted glasses felt the need to tell me that anyway.

Sure he made one good score of 90+ in a losing cause but if he had real potential he would have not walked away from that tour with an average of 19 with the bat and 54 with the ball. One swallow doesnt make a summer

Shadab Khan scored a 50 in England and has a better average but he's not even in the convo here.

Pandya has shown nothing. It's not because he's Indian Im writing this, it's because he's Indian you're making him out to be the next Imran Khan

Please read my previous post (#106). I have addressed the comparison between Pandya and Shadab.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Have not seen a young debutant who has changed that many matches in such a short time with both bat or ball as Curran ever since he started his test career.

Made difference in the debut match against Pak.

Helped his side win the series against India making vital contributions with both bat and ball.

Did very well in Sri Lanka.

He has done so much already in his international career and possesses so much potential going forward.

The worrying bit for fans from other teams is that the next best player in this list is Woakes and he can't even make it to the 11 of his country.

Stokes, Foakes, Curran, Woakes, Moeen is like a complete set of all-rounders (Right Arm Fast, WK, Left Arm Swing, Right Arm Medium, Off break) and England is lucky that all of them are available to them at the same time. Some teams would literally be lucky to have one of these players in their team at a time and England has all five of them.

 

[Ahmed216]

I am astonished to see Faheems bame being mentioned here, even Bilawal is better than him. In his short international career so far bilawal had played a couple of decent innings. And bowled with good heat too unlike mickey arthur's fake zulu Faheem.
PSL has done more harm than good with clubbies like faheem and asif making it to the national side.

 

[Bubby]

It will be interesting to see what will be pandya's approach after the controversy that has happened, it could break him or make him, with backs against wall and too much criticism some time it makes you more determined and turns you into a better sportsmen.

 

[Markhor]

Faheem is barely a cricketer let alone all-rounder. Averages 61 with the ball and 12 with the bat against top sides in ODIs

 

[hadi123]

Woakes is a lot more experienced than most of these options so not sure it's a fair comparison, but seeing as he is there, I voted for him. He is very good, consistent bowling and a fighter with the bat, just a great competitor overall.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Why is this even a question? Its being long established Pandya is the 2nd best all rounder of this generation after Stokes.

Impact wise, I would rank the current all rounders as follows:

1) Stoksey
2) Pandya
3) Curran
4) Neesham
5) Shakib/Rashid Khan (Tie)